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Message from Italy to Austria
Haider,
Well that didn't go too badly. RT bounced you out of Greece, but you kept
all your centers, and we were able to repel the invaders from Gal and Aeg.
F Ion can support Alb-Gre if you'd like - that should be guaranteed to
succeed.
A Tri can bounce you in Vie (Bud-Vie, Tri-Vie) to try and keep Germany
out, or it can supoprt Serbia again - your decision
Yours,
Mario
Message from Turkey to Austria
Austria,
I am very disappointed with your play. you send press way too late
and then you are moving as if the Italian ruler is sending in your
moves for you.
>Sultan,
>
>Excuse my late mail.Lots of work around here!
>
>> In the Fall, we will rengotiate who gets Greece..depending on the
>> overall board.
>
>May I propose to you my support from Greece to Ionian Sea in exchange for
>your support on F Alb-Gre.I have to support you in order to get my
>survival...
>
>> that has to be a better deal than what Italy is offering you.
>
>That was supposed to be a joke,right?
>A stab right in the beggining and you tell that Italy offers me a better
>deal...Ok then.
>
>Haider
Message to all
>Germany: Army Munich -> Bohemia.
>Italy: Army Marseilles -> Burgundy.
Do these two moves remind anyone of anything?
Message from Italy to all
> Broadcast message in 'comments':
>
>
> >Germany: Army Munich -> Bohemia.
> >Italy: Army Marseilles -> Burgundy.
>
> Do these two moves remind anyone of anything?
>
No. Should they?
Message to all
The aforementioned German and Italian moves remind me of that song by
Eminem. I do not recall the exact title of the song. However, the
lyrical reference is as follows:
Two trailer park girls go
'round the outside
'round the outside
Now, I do not have the slightest, foggiest idea what that means;
however, it is funny to see Italy in France and Germany in Austria.
We wonders what they are doing there my precious!
Gollem
Message from England to all
>The aforementioned German and Italian moves remind me of that song by
>Eminem. I do not recall the exact title of the song. However, the
>lyrical reference is as follows:
>Two trailer park girls go
>'round the outside
>'round the outside
>Now, I do not have the slightest, foggiest idea what that means;
>however, it is funny to see Italy in France and Germany in Austria.
>We wonders what they are doing there my precious!
It's "Without Me," which would also double nicely as a dying country's last plea for mercy..."'cuz it feels so empty without me."
Other songs called to mind by recent moves:
-heard being sung by the E army in YOR after two unsuccessful convoy efforts: "I'm sitting on the dock of the bay / watching the tide roll away / I'm just sitting on the dock of the bay / wasting time."
-heard from the Austrian Court every time someone mentions a Juggernaut: "You've only had to run so far / So good / But you will come to a place / Where the only thing you feel / Are loaded guns in your face / And you'll have to deal with /
Pressure."
Apologies to Otis Redding and Billy Joel.
Message from Russia to all
> The aforementioned German and Italian moves remind me of that song by
> Eminem. I do not recall the exact title of the song. However, the
> lyrical reference is as follows:
>
> Two trailer park girls go
> 'round the outside
> 'round the outside
>
> Now, I do not have the slightest, foggiest idea what that means;
> however, it is funny to see Italy in France and Germany in Austria.
> We wonders what they are doing there my precious!
Well, I'm from another generation, and I do
not know what the original poster was trying
to bring to our attention, but the lyrics
these moves remind me of are:
Stuck In The Middle With You - Stealer's Wheel
(Rafferty/Egan)
Well, I don’t know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain’t right.
I’m so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I’m wondering how I’ll get down the stairs.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Yes, I’m stuck in the middle with you,
And I’m wondering what it is I should do.
It’s so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, yeah, I’m all over the place.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Well, you started off with nothing,
And you’re proud that you’re a self-made man.
And your friends they all come crawlin’,
Slap you on the back and say, “Please, please.”
Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see it makes no sense at all.
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor?
Well, I don't think I can take anymore.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
What does this mean? Does it mean anything?
GI is one of the most under-rated alliances,
but feel free to draw your own conclusions.
Message from Turkey to all
there's a theory being bandied about that I is going to help support
G into BEL and G going to help support I's BOH-VIE.
anyone want to put odds on that happening? (i don't see any at sportsbook.com)
>
>
>The aforementioned German and Italian moves remind me of that song by
>Eminem. I do not recall the exact title of the song. However, the
>lyrical reference is as follows:
>
> Two trailer park girls go
> 'round the outside
> 'round the outside
>
>Now, I do not have the slightest, foggiest idea what that means;
>however, it is funny to see Italy in France and Germany in Austria.
>We wonders what they are doing there my precious!
>
>Gollem
Message to all
> there's a theory being bandied about that I is going to help support
> G into BEL and G going to help support I's BOH-VIE.
>
> anyone want to put odds on that happening? (i don't see any at
> sportsbook.com)
Since this has now become a broadcast-only game, let's go ahead and discuss the
other theories being bandied about, shall we?
1.) RUSSIA/TURKEY AT EUROPE (1PM EST, Fox): Russia and Turkey have not only
formed a Juggernaut, they've been planning it since day one. They conspired to
create the confusion in the west and are immensely pleased to see Italian and
German pieces so far from their homes. Prediction: Europe, 24-10
2.) WESTERN TRIPLE AT RUSSIA/TURKEY (1PM PST, CBS): Despite the differences
between them, France, Germany and England have been having hasty discussions
over the past two days in reaction to the clear threat in the East. While the
Eurasians have the offensive edge, stunning special teams play on the part of
the English fleets will leave the home team high and dry. Prediction: Western
Triple, 13-9
3.) ITALY AT AUSTRIA (1PM EST, CBS): Austria's poor offensive planning and hole-
filled defense can't sustain them past the first quarter. Italy's lightning-
quick navies, combined with good protection from the French, Germans and Turks,
means a quick end for the bumbling Austrians. Prediction: Italy, 42-0
4.) FRANCE/ENGLAND/GERMANY/ITALY AT ENGLAND/GERMANY/ITALY (4PM EST, Fox):
Through a marvel of diplomatic playcalling, France has gone from Public Enemy
#1 to MVP. He convinced Italy to "bounce" Germany in Burgundy, convinced
Germany to bounce England out of Belgium, and now he's going to get to work on
the much-maligned English, convincing him to strike back against his traitorous
German and Italian teammates. There can be only one winner in this kind of
game: Russia. Prediction: Russia, 18-0.
Message from France to Austria
Kaiser,
I have not heard from you lately, are you allright? What's the story on the
east? I am sorry for being somewhat silent but western matters gave me
some big headaches in the past seasons. Care to share a glass of wine
again?
Tamas
Message to all
> there's a theory being bandied about that I is going to help support
> G into BEL and G going to help support I's BOH-VIE.
>
> anyone want to put odds on that happening? (i don't see
> any at sportsbook.com)
I am willing to bet a fair amount of money on that G will
NOT support I's Boh-Vie for various reasons, one is that I
is not in Boh and will not be in the foreseeable future.
Message from Russia to Austria
Duke Haider,
> Excuse my late mail...Lots of work around here!
I understand. I've been busy, too.
> > Are you offering to support Turkey to Ion if he lets you move to Greece?
>
> But of course.It's the only way to get Greece...and for my survival!
> I hope this mail arrives in time...
I'm sorry that I didn't have time to arrange this deal with Turkey; with
my move to Black Sea, I won't be cutting Serbia's support this Fall,
though, so you should be able to take Greece. I just hope you don't
lose Vienna at the same time.
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Austria
What should we do this fall?
Message from Austria to all
Greetings to all...
I must resign from korat...I've some trobles in my eyes and I need some
rest.
see you all next time
Haider aka Acacio Jardim
PS:If you want to write, fell free to do it.
acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt has resigned acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt
as Austria in game 'comments'.
Message to all
> Greetings to all...
> I must resign from korat...I've some trobles in my eyes and I need some
> rest.
>
> see you all next time
>
> Haider aka Acacio Jardim
>
> PS:If you want to write, fell free to do it.
>
> acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt has resigned acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt
> as Austria in game 'comments'.
How about everyone writing him to tell him "you suck for resigning" ?
Message to all
>
> Greetings to all...
> I must resign from korat...I've some trobles in my eyes and I need some
> rest.
>
So the question is: did he resign from "comments" meaning to resign
from "korat", or did he sign up for "comments" meaning to sign up for "korat?"
Message to all
> > I must resign from korat...I've some trobles in my eyes and I need some
> > rest.
>
> How about everyone writing him to tell him "you suck for resigning" ?
He has problems with his eyes which can explain the mistake. But
given this explanation it is likely that he will not be able to read
the "you suck" thingie.
Message to all
> Broadcast message in 'comments':
>
>> Greetings to all...
>> I must resign from korat...I've some trobles in my eyes and I need
>> some rest.
>
> How about everyone writing him to tell him "you suck for resigning" ?
Wanna bet his "eye trouble" is that he doesn't like the look of a three
center Austria in 1902?
Message from Master to all
> acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt has resigned acacio_jardim@netcabo.pt
> as Austria in game 'comments'.
Well this is certainly disappointing.
Greg, GM
Comments
Message from Italy to Austria
Greetings - glad you took over the position. Welcome. I know that it
probably seems that we are at war, but actually we had a decent
relationship, even in spite of my stupidity earlier on. When it became
apparent that RT was forming, your predecessor and I have banded together,
and we had a pretty good stop of them.
I'm not sure what Germany is doing in Bohemia - he has asked to support me
to Vienna and I have declined.
That's about all I know.
Mario
Message from Austria to Italy
Morning Mario,
> Greetings - glad you took over the position. Welcome. I know that it
> probably seems that we are at war, but actually we had a decent
> relationship, even in spite of my stupidity earlier on.
Are you fighting France or Germany over there??
When it became
> apparent that RT was forming, your predecessor and I have banded together,
> and we had a pretty good stop of them.
Well...eventually I am going to want Trieste back. I dont see a safe way
of transferring it this season.
>
> I'm not sure what Germany is doing in Bohemia - he has asked to support me
> to Vienna and I have declined.
Promise him support and then dont deliver it. I will take care of the
rest.
thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to all
Good Morning,
Im glad to have joined this game....Austrian Embassies are open.
Be well
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
Andrew....
Long time. Hope all is well on the homefront.
Is it possible to work together this time??
I think it would be beneficial to both of us.
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria
Hey Andy,
> Are you fighting France or Germany over there??
Dunno. Have any opinions on which of them I *should* fight? :-)
> Well...eventually I am going to want Trieste back. I dont see a safe way
> of transferring it this season.
Right - I agree on both counts. I think the best bet is probably Tri S
SEr, Ser S Alb-Gre. I may be able to order Ion S Alb-Gre as well,
depending on what I hear out of Turkey.
> > I'm not sure what Germany is doing in Bohemia - he has asked to support me
> > to Vienna and I have declined.
>
> Promise him support and then dont deliver it. I will take care of the
> rest.
All right. I'm not sure that he'll take it or not but I can make the
offer. I think you might get better results trying to bounce Russia out
of Gal again, but it's your call (of course)
So, I just saw that we've been in quite a few games together, though all
no-press until now. Not much success in those games for either of us,
except for a 3-way for you in a real time game (aug15, 2001) and vgnp2024,
where you soloed. Both times you were France, and I was Germany. Hmm...
:-)
Mario
Message from Russia to Austria
> buffalo@guisarme.net has taken over the abandoned
> Austria in game 'comments'.
Welcome Prop Guy! We meet again! ;^} I negotiated
DMZ of Gal with your predecessor, Duke Haider, and
he violated in in S1901M. He moved out in the Fall,
as I took Rum, and Italy moved into Tri. In S1902M I
offered to move to Gal so that he could dislodge the
Italian from Trieste in the Spring, and I could support
him into Vienna in the Fall if the Italian retreated
there. He indicated that he viewed taking Greece as
more important, and bounced my move to Gal, instead.
Then he resigned due to "eye trouble". (I suspect he
didn't like the look of his position.)
Italy and France are both very capable, while England
(Dave) and Germany (Kaiser Erik)are both less
experienced. EG allied against France before they
ever wrote to anyone, so Tamas in France has been
fighting an uphill battle, though it seems as though
he's turned Germany, now. Mario of Italy is slick,
and very good. The unnamed Turk (Andrew Albright)
seems conserative and reliable, but not very happy
about my move to Bla. If you have any questions,
plese feel free to ask.
Nicky.
(I was going to be "Edvard Richtoven-Immelmann-Cronhauser
(but you may call me 'ERIC')", but I got Russia instead
of Germany. ;^)
Message from Austria to Russia
Howdy Eric,
> Welcome Prop Guy! We meet again! ;^} I negotiated
> DMZ of Gal with your predecessor, Duke Haider, and
> he violated in in S1901M.
Lovely.
He moved out in the Fall,
> as I took Rum, and Italy moved into Tri. In S1902M I
> offered to move to Gal so that he could dislodge the
> Italian from Trieste in the Spring, and I could support
> him into Vienna in the Fall if the Italian retreated
> there. He indicated that he viewed taking Greece as
> more important, and bounced my move to Gal, instead.
> Then he resigned due to "eye trouble". (I suspect he
> didn't like the look of his position.)
Lovely....he was spineless also.
> Italy and France are both very capable, while England
> (Dave) and Germany (Kaiser Erik)are both less
> experienced. EG allied against France before they
> ever wrote to anyone, so Tamas in France has been
> fighting an uphill battle, though it seems as though
> he's turned Germany, now.
Good, maybe he can stave off the 3 of them then.
Mario of Italy is slick,
> and very good.
Ok....he tells me that after his mistake of moving to Tri, he has been
working with my predecessor against an RT.
I suspect he is setting me up to continue to attack me.
The unnamed Turk (Andrew Albright)
> seems conserative and reliable, but not very happy
> about my move to Bla. If you have any questions,
> plese feel free to ask.
Andrew is a decent player, but he has no killer instinct...he is an
alliance player through and through....
My question to you Eric, is what do you want to do??
Germany looks fairly ripe for the picking, the Turk is out of position,
What can we work together on....
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany
Good Morning Kaiser,
I was wondering what you were doing in Bohemia, and what relationship my
predeccesor had with you.
Help me out here.
Looking forward to talking to you
Andy
Message from Austria to France
Tamas,
You have your hands full, but you seem to be weathering the storm, I am
not in a great position, but if there is anything I can do to
help...please speak up
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to England
Good Morning.
I wanted to extend the hand of friendship to you and your people.
What can you tell me of the game so far.
thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
>
> > Are you fighting France or Germany over there??
>
> Dunno. Have any opinions on which of them I *should* fight? :-)
Well....as soon as you dont support the German into Vienna, he will likely
be your enemy. Or at least irritated at you
> > Well...eventually I am going to want Trieste back. I dont see a safe way
> > of transferring it this season.
>
> Right - I agree on both counts. I think the best bet is probably Tri S
> SEr, Ser S Alb-Gre. I may be able to order Ion S Alb-Gre as well,
> depending on what I hear out of Turkey.
That is probably the plan.
>
> All right. I'm not sure that he'll take it or not but I can make the
> offer. I think you might get better results trying to bounce Russia out
> of Gal again, but it's your call (of course)
The Russian cant hurt me immediately.
> So, I just saw that we've been in quite a few games together, though all
> no-press until now. Not much success in those games for either of us,
> except for a 3-way for you in a real time game (aug15, 2001) and vgnp2024,
> where you soloed. Both times you were France, and I was Germany. Hmm...
> :-)
I see.....you have done some homework.
Well...lets see how much damage we can do together.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
Hi Andy,
> > Mario of Italy is slick, and very good.
>
> he tells me that after his mistake of moving to Tri,
> he has been working with my predecessor against an RT.
He moved to Trieste by mistake??? What, he meant to
type Ven-Pie, and mistyped it Ven-Tri? *chuckle*
Was Ion-Gre in Fall '01 also a mistake on his part?
Dan and I are playing in 'gutsy2' on USIN at the moment.
I'm Italy and he's Turkey, there. I opened with the
Apline Chicken and also took Mar and Tri in F1901M,
though in my case I moved to Tri at Austria's
invitation, as I ordered Ion-Aeg to bounce Dan's
Juggernaut move of F Con-Aeg. I think he may be
confusing the two games. ;^)
> I suspect he is setting me up to continue to attack me.
That seems more likely. He has already asked for support
to Serbia.
> Andrew is a decent player, but he has no killer
> instinct...he is an alliance player
This is my first game with Andrew, though I GMed one
of his VGFP games.
> My question to you Eric, is what do you want to do??
Honestly? Solo, or draw if that seems unlikely. So
far, I've tried to not piss anyone off too much, while
keeping my options open. I was hoping that Italy
would try for EMed rather than Aeg in S1902M so that
Con-Aeg, Ank-Con would have worked, since that would
have left me with more options, but that didn't happen.
> Germany looks fairly ripe for the picking, the Turk
> is out of position, what can we work together on....
I see Italy as my biggest threat. Would you consider
Bud-Vie (bouncing off Boh-Vie), and a supported
attack on Tri, while I take Bulgaria from the Turk?
Nicky.
Message from Master to all
Players,
I'd like to welcome our new Austrian player and thank him for taking
over the position. I hope he has better eyes than his predecessor.
Greg, GM
Comments
Message from Austria to Russia
> He moved to Trieste by mistake??? What, he meant to
> type Ven-Pie, and mistyped it Ven-Tri? *chuckle*
> Was Ion-Gre in Fall '01 also a mistake on his part?
This was the exact same logic running through my head too.
> > I suspect he is setting me up to continue to attack me.
>
> That seems more likely. He has already asked for support
> to Serbia.
What did you tell him??
> > My question to you Eric, is what do you want to do??
>
> Honestly? Solo, or draw if that seems unlikely. So
Ok....in the short to mid term...:-)
> far, I've tried to not piss anyone off too much, while
> keeping my options open. I was hoping that Italy
> would try for EMed rather than Aeg in S1902M so that
> Con-Aeg, Ank-Con would have worked, since that would
> have left me with more options, but that didn't happen.
I see....
> > Germany looks fairly ripe for the picking, the Turk
> > is out of position, what can we work together on....
>
> I see Italy as my biggest threat. Would you consider
> Bud-Vie (bouncing off Boh-Vie), and a supported
> attack on Tri, while I take Bulgaria from the Turk?
I would if I thought it would work. He can support Trieste, and it would
likely give him GRE and TUN and have a 50/50 shot of working.
That doesnt sound like a win for me.
I am going to bounce the German, and take Greece, because that also doesnt
give Turkey a place to retreat.
I am inviting you to Galacia, but I will be outraged when it happens, I
would also love to see War - Sil....that way the german has to back off
me.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
Hi Andy,
> > He has already asked for support to Serbia.
>
> What did you tell him??
That I wanted to try for Bul, since Con S Bul seems
unlikely.
> > Solo, or draw if that seems unlikely.
>
> Ok....in the short to mid term...:-)
Damned if I know. ;^} Honestly, I don't usually
think about Soloing at this point in the game. I
lack the strategic vision to make a grand plan and
then pull it off, but given the perceived weakness
of EGA, it seemed as though I ought to think about
it before Dan or Tamas did. Of course, now that
the Austrian General Staff has received a major
upgrade, that all changes.
I realize RT is the safe course here, but given
the screams of Juggernaut I'm already hearing,
and the fact that Russia normally faces the brunt
of the anti-RT attack, I'm not sure that's the
way for me to go. I've also got growth potential
in the North, so I can afford to be less aggressive
in demanding Centers in the South, I think. In the
worst case, Italy will grow to 9-Centers this year,
(Bel or Mun, Vie, Gre, and Tun) and I don't want to
see that happen, and I just don't trust Mario enough
to take the obvious IR.
> I would if I thought it would work. He can support Trieste, and it
> wouldlikely give him GRE and TUN and have a 50/50 shot of working.
> That doesn't sound like a win for me.
Ah, true. That's why I suggested Ser & Bud S Alb-Tri,
War-Gal to your predecessor for this Spring.
> I am going to bounce the German, and take Greece,
> because that also doesnt give Turkey a place to retreat.
Seems reasonable.
> I am inviting you to Galacia, but I will be outraged
> when it happens,
Understood.
> I would also love to see War - Sil....that way the
> german has to back off me.
I'll think about it. After EG allied against France
they invited me into a Northern Triple, which I of
course accepted since it gave me Sweden uncontested.
I took neutral Nwy this Spring while Germany bounced
England from Bel again, but I have the option to
support Yor-Den, or Hel-Nth this Fall. Yor-Den keeps
the West even, but Hel-Nth gains me long-term German
friendship. I'm not sure which is more valuable to me.
Nick.
Message from Germany to Austria
Andy:
Welcome to the game. Thanks for joining up. I will be glad to tell you what's
going on.
Basically, the previous Austria almost immediately alienated himself
diplomatically by trying to play Russia, Turkey and I off one another in the
first season. I was hoping that he'd be a decent neighbor and a nice buffer
zone between the Eurasian hordes and I, but he was consistently worthless both
tactically and strategically. He made few suggestions and offered few
opportunities for partnership; his style of play generally seemed to center on
trying to convince people of how treacherous their neighbors were. I had little
choice but to give up on him and let a joint IRT attack rip him to shreds.
The army in Bohemia is there as a negotiating chip to use with Italy, who was
part of a triple alliance against France with me that has since dissolved. I
hoped to use it influence his attack on you for better or for worse and thereby
exercise a little clout in his post-EGI decision-making process. In all
honesty, it is probably headed right back to Munich this season to cover
against the possibility of Bur - Mun. The army in Burgundy, by the way, is
there completely by surprise, the result of a nifty little play by the French.
Much of this turn in the West has centered around people trying to figure out
why it's there and then trying to convince Italy of what to do with it.
Interesting note -- RT were initially a little cold to one another, and
probably wouldn't have worked together had Austria not pissed them both off and
made blatantly anti-Russian moves in the first turn. I suspect that it wouldn't
take much to pry them apart.
Italy started heading into Austrian territory the first turn and has since
moved from a two-front attack on Austria and France to an exclusively anti-
Austrian position.
Personalities: Russia's a cool cat. He's short, sweet, and to the point. I've
been able to work with him well so far, though I'm worried about his dominance
in Scandanavia. Italy is a little slippery. France gets really emotional, but
was very effective at saving his own skin from near certain death. England is
dejected, as I bounced him out of Belgium twice and his prospects are slim. I
haven't heard a peep from Turkey in ages.
Anyway, I'm glad to see somebody else take over the Austrian position. I was
not happy about seeing Austria go down, and there just wasn't anything I could
do to help the old player, as it was simply impossible to work with him. I am
more than willing to help you get back on your feet -- the looming Russian
threat has me spooked -- though I don't have any specific suggestions right
now. Hope my information has been of some help to you, and let me know what
else I can do for you.
Kaiser Erik
P.S. Did you, by chance, just happen to finish playing in a backseat driver
variant on NZMB?
Message from Austria to Russia
> That I wanted to try for Bul, since Con S Bul seems
> unlikely.
You know that the Turk now knows....right??
> > > Solo, or draw if that seems unlikely.
> >
> > Ok....in the short to mid term...:-)
>
> Damned if I know. ;^} Honestly, I don't usually
> think about Soloing at this point in the game.
I dont think anyone does.
I
> lack the strategic vision to make a grand plan and
> then pull it off, but given the perceived weakness
> of EGA, it seemed as though I ought to think about
> it before Dan or Tamas did.
Dan is not going to solo.
Of course, now that
> the Austrian General Staff has received a major
> upgrade, that all changes.
I figure I am a much better junior partner than Germany or Turkey.
> I realize RT is the safe course here, but given
> the screams of Juggernaut I'm already hearing,
> and the fact that Russia normally faces the brunt
> of the anti-RT attack, I'm not sure that's the
> way for me to go. I've also got growth potential
> in the North, so I can afford to be less aggressive
> in demanding Centers in the South, I think. In the
> worst case, Italy will grow to 9-Centers this year,
> (Bel or Mun, Vie, Gre, and Tun) and I don't want to
> see that happen, and I just don't trust Mario enough
> to take the obvious IR.
Italy will get Tunis, but I doubt he will get Gre, Bel or Mun. He can get
Vie with help, but if you are on my side, that is doubtful as well.
> > I would also love to see War - Sil....that way the
> > german has to back off me.
>
> I'll think about it. After EG allied against France
> they invited me into a Northern Triple, which I of
> course accepted since it gave me Sweden uncontested.
> I took neutral Nwy this Spring while Germany bounced
> England from Bel again, but I have the option to
> support Yor-Den, or Hel-Nth this Fall. Yor-Den keeps
> the West even, but Hel-Nth gains me long-term German
> friendship. I'm not sure which is more valuable to me.
Well..if you are supporting YOR - DEN its a no brainer.
Otherwise...its a toss up...
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany
Eric,
>
> Welcome to the game. Thanks for joining up. I will be glad to tell you what's
> going on.
thank you
> Basically, the previous Austria almost immediately alienated himself
> diplomatically by trying to play Russia, Turkey and I off one another in the
> first season. I was hoping that he'd be a decent neighbor and a nice buffer
> zone between the Eurasian hordes and I, but he was consistently worthless both
> tactically and strategically. He made few suggestions and offered few
> opportunities for partnership; his style of play generally seemed to center on
> trying to convince people of how treacherous their neighbors were. I had little
> choice but to give up on him and let a joint IRT attack rip him to shreds.
>
Lovely....I guess my end is near then....I better start talking to
someone.
> The army in Bohemia is there as a negotiating chip to use with Italy, who was
> part of a triple alliance against France with me that has since dissolved. I
> hoped to use it influence his attack on you for better or for worse and
thereby
> exercise a little clout in his post-EGI decision-making process. In all
> honesty, it is probably headed right back to Munich this season to cover
> against the possibility of Bur - Mun.
I would appreciate its return to Munich....I think it would be helpful
there for more than one reason.
The army in Burgundy, by the way, is
> there completely by surprise, the result of a nifty little play by the French.
> Much of this turn in the West has centered around people trying to figure out
> why it's there and then trying to convince Italy of what to do with it.
Really...hmmmmmm
> Interesting note -- RT were initially a little cold to one another, and
> probably wouldn't have worked together had Austria not pissed them both off and
> made blatantly anti-Russian moves in the first turn. I suspect that it wouldn't
> take much to pry them apart.
Noted.
> Italy started heading into Austrian territory the first turn and has since
> moved from a two-front attack on Austria and France to an exclusively anti-
> Austrian position.
Thats lovely...he was being so nice and friendly too....
> Personalities: Russia's a cool cat. He's short, sweet, and to the point. I've
> been able to work with him well so far, though I'm worried about his dominance
> in Scandanavia.
Notd.
Italy is a little slippery.
That is becoming more and more obvious by the minute
France gets really emotional, but
> was very effective at saving his own skin from near certain death. England is
> dejected, as I bounced him out of Belgium twice and his prospects are slim. I
> haven't heard a peep from Turkey in ages.
Ok.....good to know
> Anyway, I'm glad to see somebody else take over the Austrian position. I was
> not happy about seeing Austria go down, and there just wasn't anything I could
> do to help the old player, as it was simply impossible to work with him. I am
> more than willing to help you get back on your feet -- the looming Russian
> threat has me spooked -- though I don't have any specific suggestions right
> now. Hope my information has been of some help to you, and let me know what
> else I can do for you.
You information has been great. And simply not attacking or supporting any
attack on me would be a huge help.
>
> P.S. Did you, by chance, just happen to finish playing in a backseat driver
> variant on NZMB?
>
Yes....is there something I should know....:-)
Thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to all
After speaking to some of you, it has become quite obvious that my
predecessor was a spineless welp of the little character, and it is good
for the Austrian people and nation that he has been put to the sword.
I would ask forgiveness of his past sins, and to come to the table of
negotiations with a clean slate.
Thank you for your kind attention.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
> > That I wanted to try for Bul, since Con S Bul
> > seems unlikely.
>
> You know that the Turk now knows....right??
Yes, but I'm reasonably confident that the Turk
will believe me before he believes Mario.
> > I don't usually think about Soloing at this
> > point in the game.
>
> I dont think anyone does.
Really? People like Joe Brennan, and David Cohen,
give the impression that the plan to Solo from
Day 1, and are always working toward that goal.
> Dan is not going to solo.
What makes you so sure? I questioned the wisdom of
the F Ven build, (though my A Ven didn't do me
much good in 'gutsy2'), but he stabbed Austria and
then convinced Haider that RT, which didn't even
exist at that point, was a bigger threat to Austria
than Italy was.
> I doubt he will get Gre, Bel or Mun.
I agree it's not likely, but I tend to look at
worst-case scenarios first, and then consider
what's more likely to happen. It usually keeps
me from being rudely surprised.
> He can get Vie with help,
Kasier Erik claims he's not going to support Tri-Vie,
but if Mario offers Bur S Ruh-Bel, and the German
believes him, we could see Bur-Mun, Tri-Ven both go
thru.
> if you are supporting YOR - DEN its a no brainer.
Yes, I'd say it's required, in fact, and it would
have a lovely synergy with Ukr-Gal.
Nicky.
Message from Turkey to Austria
>Andrew....
>
>Long time. Hope all is well on the homefront.
All is great on the homefront, but not with this game. Austria was
braindead the whole time, if I didn't see the best in people always,
i would almost think that Italy had signed up as two players and was
playing Austria just to give Italy more centers. Had I not lied to
A-I in the first round, italy would have gotten 3 builds!!!
Of course then Italy was mad, and Austria was too dumb to do anything.
By default i had to side with Russia (I don't trust Italy).
Now I am still at 4 centers and Russia worries me. And I am still
'talking' to italy but it is a one-way dialogue with him telling me
to move my fleets away (I presume so that he can grow even larger).
I have no idea what Germany is doing on your doorstep. (I suspect
Italy is going to support Germany to Belgium in return for German
support into Vienna.)
>Is it possible to work together this time??
don't we work together every time?
>
>I think it would be beneficial to both of us.
me too. but it is going to take some quick diplomacy to see us not
get axed, and quickly.
Message from Austria to Russia
> > > That I wanted to try for Bul, since Con S Bul
> > > seems unlikely.
> >
> > You know that the Turk now knows....right??
>
> Yes, but I'm reasonably confident that the Turk
> will believe me before he believes Mario.
That is probably true.
> > > I don't usually think about Soloing at this
> > > point in the game.
> >
> > I dont think anyone does.
>
> Really? People like Joe Brennan, and David Cohen,
> give the impression that the plan to Solo from
> Day 1, and are always working toward that goal.
Not from Day 1....but close.
> > Dan is not going to solo.
>
> What makes you so sure? I questioned the wisdom of
> the F Ven build, (though my A Ven didn't do me
> much good in 'gutsy2'), but he stabbed Austria and
> then convinced Haider that RT, which didn't even
> exist at that point, was a bigger threat to Austria
> than Italy was.
Because the only way he solos, is by taking all my dots, and that would
mean that you are helping him, otherwise he cant do it.
> > I doubt he will get Gre, Bel or Mun.
>
> I agree it's not likely, but I tend to look at
> worst-case scenarios first, and then consider
> what's more likely to happen. It usually keeps
> me from being rudely surprised.
Its typically a safe way to approach things.
> > He can get Vie with help,
>
> Kasier Erik claims he's not going to support Tri-Vie,
> but if Mario offers Bur S Ruh-Bel, and the German
> believes him, we could see Bur-Mun, Tri-Ven both go
> thru.
>
I know.
Andy
Message from Germany to Austria
> Maybe I am sharing too much about my style of play here.
>
> Every time I step to a board, my primary goal is to solo.
> If a solo is not available, I will accept a draw.
I'll keep that in mind. :)
Glad I could help get you up to speed. I will be moving to Munich, unless you
can see some reason to keep my unit there for support of some action.
I don't think your end is necessarily near. I don't want to see you go down,
now that I know somebody competent who can help me deal with Russia is at the
helm. I think you can pry apart the Russian - Turkish alliance, and I am pretty
sure France would be willing to help you with Italy.
Let me know as things develop.
Kaiser Erik
(a.k.a. Weishaupt, the French piece-pusher)
Message from Germany to Austria
By the way, Andy, are you aware of the premise of this variant?
Erik
Message from Austria to Turkey
> >Andrew....
> >
> >Long time. Hope all is well on the homefront.
>
> All is great on the homefront, but not with this game.
Excellent on the homefront.
Austria was
> braindead the whole time, if I didn't see the best in people always,
> i would almost think that Italy had signed up as two players and was
> playing Austria just to give Italy more centers. Had I not lied to
> A-I in the first round, italy would have gotten 3 builds!!!
Really. My god...what did I replace....a cabbage.
> Of course then Italy was mad, and Austria was too dumb to do anything.
>
Lovely.
> By default i had to side with Russia (I don't trust Italy).
>
I wouldnt trust Russia either.
> Now I am still at 4 centers and Russia worries me. And I am still
> 'talking' to italy but it is a one-way dialogue with him telling me
> to move my fleets away (I presume so that he can grow even larger).
>
As he should.
Do NOT move your fleets away.
move them out....but maybe not until the spring.
Italy has to use one fleet to take Tunis, and I suspect he is going to GRE
with thie other.
If I am you and you are afraid of Russia....support yourself in Bul and
move to AEG
> I have no idea what Germany is doing on your doorstep. (I suspect
> Italy is going to support Germany to Belgium in return for German
> support into Vienna.)
He could be but Germany swears he is going to protect Munich, which is
swinging in the breeze.
> >Is it possible to work together this time??
>
>
> don't we work together every time?
Yeah.
>
> >
> >I think it would be beneficial to both of us.
>
>
> me too. but it is going to take some quick diplomacy to see us not
> get axed, and quickly.
>
Yeah....so lets work at it.
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany
>
> > Maybe I am sharing too much about my style of play here.
> >
> > Every time I step to a board, my primary goal is to solo.
> > If a solo is not available, I will accept a draw.
>
> I'll keep that in mind. :)
You should...:-)
> Glad I could help get you up to speed. I will be moving to Munich, unless you
> can see some reason to keep my unit there for support of some action.
No....does the Italian thing you are supporting him into Vienna.
>
> I don't think your end is necessarily near. I don't want to see you go down,
> now that I know somebody competent who can help me deal with Russia is at the
> helm. I think you can pry apart the Russian - Turkish alliance, and I am pretty
> sure France would be willing to help you with Italy.
Well....at this point EF are the only 2 powers I havent heard from.
I would love to talk to France.
> Let me know as things develop.
I will...
>
> Kaiser Erik
> (a.k.a. Weishaupt, the French piece-pusher)
>
Ahhhhh....another compentent tactician....excellent
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany
> Message from erik@spamcop.net as Germany to Austria in 'comments':
>
>
> By the way, Andy, are you aware of the premise of this variant?
This is a variant .??
Help me out here, I was just being a good replacement player....what is
different.
Andy
Message from Germany to Austria
>
> This is a variant .??
Hehe. Sort of, not really. The game itself is standard vanilla, but there's a
little twist to the press: right now, there's about 40 people registered on a
discussion group associated with this game. The players aren't allowed to join
it. The group members get copied ALL of our press, private and public, and are
discussing and commenting on the game as it progresses. We'll be able to see
the discussion when we get eliminated or when the game finishes.
>
> Help me out here, I was just being a good replacement player....what is
> different.
>
Just that we've got an audience, so be on your best behavior. I think it should
be interesting. If you'd like to address the audience directly to explain or
comment on your actions, then just send a press to yourself.
Erik
Message from Austria to Germany
Thank you...
Message from Austria to Austria
Ladies and Gentlemen,
From here forward, the part of Andy Bartalone will be played by
Harry Houdini.....because if I can talk my way out of this mess....I am a
magician.
thank you for watching....
Message from France to Austria
Hi Andy and welcome to the game. As you correctly pointed
out, I have been somewhat busy since S1901 with annoying
stuff at my border and I am still hoping that I can get over
it soon.
Where should I start? Your predecessor was indeed somewhat
hard to work with. I think that our relationship was
excellent (in terms of friendship) at least as long as he
cared to write but at the same time it was quite useless:
his messages contradicted each other so violently that no
effective cooperation could be built on it.
We should definitely start talking. The story in Europe
looks like this. Russia and Italy are the top players and
they indeed do well. They both use and abuse G's and E's
lack of experience (compared to them) very efficiently and I
have found it very hard to cope with the situation. You
could see from the opening moves that G and E have a
somewhat simple view of the game: putting your eggs in one
basket pre-S1901 and putting that on top of a pile of lies
is not very subtle, and indeed E suffered greatly when
Germany noticed how much he would get out of GIE.
Unfortunately - again - Italy was the winner because I could
not fight all three attackers and he was the only one who
realized the excellent opportunities in fixing a deal with
me.
Now that my relationship with Germany is becoming ok, I am
trying to concentrate on getting rid of that Italian army.
Planning is underway but I have not made up my mind what to
do. I could ask you to help me with info about Italy but
previous experience shows that Italian plans are rarely
disclosed in this game. Still, if you talk to him and
France appears in any context, please tell him that I am a
big friend of him. Thanks.
Turkey has recently written and says that he would like to
seriously consider close AT cooperation in the coming
seasons. Makes a lot of sense, I believe. In fact, I
think that this is the only option if we do not want to play
stop-Russia and/or stop-Italy exclusively from next year. I
am sure that making short-term friendship with T serves your
needs quite well as Italy is growing quite dangerously. I
will try to put some pressure on Italy soon so that you will
have some breathing room.
Germany is a friend these days, be careful with him though
because he likes to pass confidential information quite
promptly. He is afraid of Russia but says that he is only
interested in hitting England at the moment, and apparently
has leased the Baltic to the Tzar already.
There is an RE plan against G and an RG plan against E,
meaning that somebody will be disappointed the coming term
and it will be not Russia again, in fact he will keep
winning. England does not talk to Germany presently and I
do not think there is any chance in the near future for
that, which means that I am afraid the game formula will be
somewhat simple in a few years' time.
Ok, I stop here this is probably too much to digest already.
Given that you have fresh ears and no preconceptions, I
would very much appreciate to hear how the others assessed
the present situation to you. All in all, your message is a
hint that we can have a very healthy diplomatic relationship
and indeed, you can count on me continuously.
Best,
Tamas
Message from Russia to Austria
Andy,
> > > Dan is not going to solo.
> > What makes you so sure?
>
> Because the only way he solos, is by taking all my dots,
> and that would mean that you are helping him, otherwise
> he cant do it.
I suspect he could do it without my help, but fair enough,
since I certainly plan to do everything in my power to
keep him from soloing.
> Broadcast message from Austria in 'bkseat4':
>
> Every time I step to a board, my primary goal is to solo.
> If a solo is not available, I will accept a draw.
> I figure I am a much better junior partner than Germany or Turkey.
Care to resolve these two statements? My question to you Andy,
is what do you want to do?? 8-) Short-term, mid-term and long-term.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
>
> > > > Dan is not going to solo.
> > > What makes you so sure?
> >
> > Because the only way he solos, is by taking all my dots,
> > and that would mean that you are helping him, otherwise
> > he cant do it.
>
> I suspect he could do it without my help, but fair enough,
> since I certainly plan to do everything in my power to
> keep him from soloing.
>
OK.
> > Broadcast message from Austria in 'bkseat4':
> >
> > Every time I step to a board, my primary goal is to solo.
> > If a solo is not available, I will accept a draw.
>
> > I figure I am a much better junior partner than Germany or Turkey.
>
> Care to resolve these two statements? My question to you Andy,
> is what do you want to do?? 8-) Short-term, mid-term and long-term.
In the short term, survive.
In the mid term, position myself in the draw.
In the long term....if at least 2 other players totally fall on thier
swords, solo. More realistically, hold my place in the draw.
You asked.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
Andy,
> In the short term, survive.
How? Obviously step one is taking Greece, and building in Vienna,
but then what?
> In the mid term, position myself in the draw.
Where? The most obvious spot is Turkey, but if I take Bulgaria this
turn, that rather implies you will be coming toward/through me sooner,
rather than later.
> In the long term....if at least 2 other players totally fall on thier
> swords, solo. More realistically, hold my place in the draw.
Fair enough, but I don't plan on falling on my sword.
> You asked.
Yes, I did, and I appreciate your honesty. I was hoping that I could
interest you in a Jannisary-type role,
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/janissary.htm
but it does not sound as though you'd be interested.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Russia
> > In the short term, survive.
>
> How? Obviously step one is taking Greece, and building in Vienna,
> but then what?
I have no bloody idea. It depends alot on who has lied to me and who has
told me the truth.
> > In the mid term, position myself in the draw.
>
> Where? The most obvious spot is Turkey, but if I take Bulgaria this
> turn, that rather implies you will be coming toward/through me sooner,
> rather than later.
No....I can get builds other places. Italy, some Turkey.
Assuming our cooperation, I can see myself at 9 or 10 with absolutely no
reason to want to attack you, unless you were at 16 or something.
With a clear path for 2 more.
> > You asked.
>
> Yes, I did, and I appreciate your honesty. I was hoping that I could
> interest you in a Jannisary-type role,
> http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/janissary.htm
> but it does not sound as though you'd be interested.
I know what a Jannisary is.
And that is what I sortof alluded to when I said jr member of the draw.
You feel like the Italian is your biggest advisary, I am in a much better
position to fight the Italian than you are, and you know I am tactically
sound, if a bit of a risk taker.
Andy
Message from Austria to France
> Hi Andy and welcome to the game. As you correctly pointed
> out, I have been somewhat busy since S1901 with annoying
> stuff at my border and I am still hoping that I can get over
> it soon.
Good luck, I will help out however I can.
> Where should I start? Your predecessor was indeed somewhat
> hard to work with. I think that our relationship was
> excellent (in terms of friendship) at least as long as he
> cared to write but at the same time it was quite useless:
> his messages contradicted each other so violently that no
> effective cooperation could be built on it.
I think your experience was similar to most of the players on the board
and the reason he evacuated his duties like a bully who was put in his
place.
> We should definitely start talking. The story in Europe
> looks like this. Russia and Italy are the top players and
> they indeed do well. They both use and abuse G's and E's
> lack of experience (compared to them) very efficiently and I
> have found it very hard to cope with the situation.
But are R and I working together, or are they doing thier own empire
building, leading up to the two of them facing off.
You
> could see from the opening moves that G and E have a
> somewhat simple view of the game: putting your eggs in one
> basket pre-S1901 and putting that on top of a pile of lies
> is not very subtle, and indeed E suffered greatly when
> Germany noticed how much he would get out of GIE.
> Unfortunately - again - Italy was the winner because I could
> not fight all three attackers and he was the only one who
> realized the excellent opportunities in fixing a deal with
> me.
I compliment you on turning G, and soon to be expelling I from your
homeland.
>
> Now that my relationship with Germany is becoming ok, I am
> trying to concentrate on getting rid of that Italian army.
> Planning is underway but I have not made up my mind what to
> do. I could ask you to help me with info about Italy but
> previous experience shows that Italian plans are rarely
> disclosed in this game. Still, if you talk to him and
> France appears in any context, please tell him that I am a
> big friend of him. Thanks.
>
Italy hasnt been very forthcoming with his plans, but he has been quite
the talker about how we are friends (he and I).
I dont see it.
I have a suggestion for taking a shot and getting a build, that would be
quite useful.
GAS - MAR
BRE - GAS
MAO - BRE
PAR - BRE
if you get Marsaille, you now have a place to build.
> Turkey has recently written and says that he would like to
> seriously consider close AT cooperation in the coming
> seasons. Makes a lot of sense, I believe. In fact, I
> think that this is the only option if we do not want to play
> stop-Russia and/or stop-Italy exclusively from next year.
I agree, and have hinted at what he should do right now to protect
himself, I didnt want to come out and say it, as he might still be part of
an RT, and for my survival I need some breathing room. ie...some at least
superficial friends nearby.
To be clear....tell Turkey to support Bul with Con, the Russian is
attacking him.
I
> am sure that making short-term friendship with T serves your
> needs quite well as Italy is growing quite dangerously. I
> will try to put some pressure on Italy soon so that you will
> have some breathing room.
Thank you, I intend on doing the same.
What is the English player like, he is the only person who hasnt written
back to me.
> Germany is a friend these days, be careful with him though
> because he likes to pass confidential information quite
> promptly. He is afraid of Russia but says that he is only
> interested in hitting England at the moment, and apparently
> has leased the Baltic to the Tzar already.
Well....we need to get G and E pointed at Warsaw and Scandanavia, so that
we can take care of Italy.
> There is an RE plan against G and an RG plan against E,
That is typical of the Tsar, he is quite the talented diplomat.
> meaning that somebody will be disappointed the coming term
> and it will be not Russia again, in fact he will keep
> winning. England does not talk to Germany presently and I
> do not think there is any chance in the near future for
> that, which means that I am afraid the game formula will be
> somewhat simple in a few years' time.
Let me see what I can do about that.
> Ok, I stop here this is probably too much to digest already.
no....you have given me ALOT of valuable information.
> Given that you have fresh ears and no preconceptions, I
> would very much appreciate to hear how the others assessed
> the present situation to you.
Italy has played up that he made a mistake in O1' but we are buddies now,
and the RT is the danger.
Russia has played up how he offered to help my predecessor, but he wouldnt
accept the help.
Turkey and I have spoken briefly.
Germany has assured me I am in no danger as he is protecting Munich.
You have been very honest with me, and the English are silent.
All in all, your message is a
> hint that we can have a very healthy diplomatic relationship
> and indeed, you can count on me continuously.
I agree completely and you can count on me as well, hopefully we will both
be back on our feet soon.
Andy
Message from Austria to England
Ok....I sent one note that was very polite.....and now its time to be not
so polite...
What exactly do you think you are going to get out of your relationship
with Russia. You have already ceded the entirety of Scandanavia to him.
If you think you are getting Denmark or any portion of Germany, you are
blind.
You need to end your conflict with France NOW, and go deal with
Scandanavia. NOW.
The Russian has 2 fleets up north, and guess what....so do you.
Unless you want to give up this early, I suggest you do something in your
own self interest, not Russia's
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
> But are R and I working together, or are they doing thier
own empire
> building, leading up to the two of them facing off.
I do not have the impression that there is a solid IR
alliance. R is a friend of everyone (quite dangerous) and I
is a friend of noone really but neither is the enemy of
anyone. I does not talk about his plans but from time to
time assures people that he is a nice guy (just like he did
with you). In my case it looked like this: pre-S1901 we
were quite friends, agreed on usual DMZ's and had some
useful chat. Then he moved to Piedmont and immediately
after he said that indeed he stabbed right away but it would
be foolish if we abandoned our friendship just because of
this small incident. And he was quite right: the German
and English embassy closed right after S1901 processed
therefore I had no other choice but to settle some deal with
him. Thus we are still "friends", but I have in mind a kind
of procedure similar to his in S1901 to test whether he will
take it as lightly as I did. I do not know however when
exactly I can execute that.
> I compliment you on turning G, and soon to be expelling I
from your
> homeland.
Thanks.
> Italy hasnt been very forthcoming with his plans, but he
has been quite
> the talker about how we are friends (he and I).
Oh really?
> I dont see it.
Neither do I.
> I have a suggestion for taking a shot and getting a build,
that would be
> quite useful.
Thanks for your suggestion, your plan is among the ones I
consider presently. If only I knew what A Bur is doing!
The strange thing is that many people seem to _know_ the
expected order of A Bur and they tell me so but I have this
strange suspicion that they all know it because Italy wants
me to hear about it. At least this kind of thing never
happened before.
> GAS - MAR
> BRE - GAS
> MAO - BRE
> PAR - BRE
>
> if you get Marsaille, you now have a place to build.
This is not necessarily true (see Bur-Gas, something I can
hardly rule out). But even then I gain the center which is
ok. But I still do not know whether this is the wise thing
to do.
> To be clear....tell Turkey to support Bul with Con, the
Russian is
> attacking him.
Ok, I will.
> What is the English player like, he is the only person who
hasnt written
> back to me.
And there is a good chance he will not ever. He says he has
much to learn, which suggests that he is not terribly
experienced and this is certainly not in conflict with my
experience. As far as I know he talked to his neighbors
only plus Italy pre-1901 and right after his stab he closed
his Paris embassy, never replying to my messages. We just
started talking again after Germany's second (!) stab on
him, we do talk and he says that now he does not write to
Germany at all. Also he is more interested in doing damage
to the German than stopping Russia unfortunately. BTW this
is one reason your suggested plan might not be the best
thing to do. I am playing with the idea of dislodging F
Eng, which will then be rebuilt in Edi, I even told England
about it. This is good against the Russian danger but has
the downside on the Italian front. BTW apparently both
Germany and England pushes hard on their alliance with
Italy.
> That is typical of the Tsar, he is quite the talented
diplomat.
Very. If it were not for A Bur, I would have worked much
more on sending E and G to the north together. Not that I
would succeed with the English...
> Russia has played up how he offered to help my
predecessor, but he wouldnt
> accept the help.
Austria told me pre-F1901 that he would build three the
first year. Apparently he thought that he scared the soul
out of the Tzar by his move to Gal and he can rule both of
them as slaves.
> Germany has assured me I am in no danger as he is
protecting Munich.
Is that Boh-Mun for sure? (I mean surely not Ruh-Mun?)
I will write more later, hopefully Italy gets back to me
with some kind of reply soon too. Let me know if he says
anything nasty about me.
Best,
Tamas
Message from Turkey to Austria
Austria,
>Really. My god...what did I replace....a cabbage.
yes.
>
> wouldnt trust Russia either.
so here is the problem...I have worked well with Russia, but now
Russia is getting too big. Either I have to talk him into giving me
Rumania (or him supporting me into an Austrian center). I would
prefer to make Russia smaller, or not grow..and have him be happy
about it.
which then moves into the discussion about Italy and the South.
>Italy has to use one fleet to take Tunis, and I suspect he is going to GRE
>with thie other.
how about I move to the AEG, to help you into Greece?
It would seem best for both of us if I could get Rumania from Russia
and you get Greece and Trieste back. This takes a center from italy
and russia and puts us on more equal footing....otherwise, there is
the distinct possibility of Italy and Russia allying with each other.
(If you were Russia or Italy, what would you do?)
so if this sort of general plan sounds good to you, let me know how
you think we can implement it.
i am already in pretty good communication with Russia, and unless
Italy is totally thinking of going it alone (not out of the realm of
poss with the Italian player we have here)---i would think you could
negotiate yourself into a position of power.
turkey
Message from Austria to France
> > I have a suggestion for taking a shot and getting a build,
> that would be
> > quite useful.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, your plan is among the ones I
> consider presently. If only I knew what A Bur is doing!
> The strange thing is that many people seem to _know_ the
> expected order of A Bur and they tell me so but I have this
> strange suspicion that they all know it because Italy wants
> me to hear about it. At least this kind of thing never
> happened before.
>
> > GAS - MAR
> > BRE - GAS
> > MAO - BRE
> > PAR - BRE
> >
> > if you get Marsaille, you now have a place to build.
>
> This is not necessarily true (see Bur-Gas, something I can
> hardly rule out). But even then I gain the center which is
> ok. But I still do not know whether this is the wise thing
> to do.
>
He is coming to WES and TUN, he is likely builing another fleet.
>
> > What is the English player like, he is the only person who
> hasnt written
> > back to me.
>
> And there is a good chance he will not ever. He says he has
> much to learn, which suggests that he is not terribly
> experienced and this is certainly not in conflict with my
> experience. As far as I know he talked to his neighbors
> only plus Italy pre-1901 and right after his stab he closed
> his Paris embassy, never replying to my messages. We just
> started talking again after Germany's second (!) stab on
> him, we do talk and he says that now he does not write to
> Germany at all. Also he is more interested in doing damage
> to the German than stopping Russia unfortunately. BTW this
> is one reason your suggested plan might not be the best
> thing to do. I am playing with the idea of dislodging F
> Eng, which will then be rebuilt in Edi, I even told England
> about it. This is good against the Russian danger but has
> the downside on the Italian front. BTW apparently both
> Germany and England pushes hard on their alliance with
> Italy.
Lovely....
> > Germany has assured me I am in no danger as he is
> protecting Munich.
>
> Is that Boh-Mun for sure? (I mean surely not Ruh-Mun?)
That is what he told me. I would appreciate you encouraging him to not
screw me.
> I will write more later, hopefully Italy gets back to me
> with some kind of reply soon too. Let me know if he says
> anything nasty about me.
k
hopefully
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
> so here is the problem...I have worked well with Russia, but now
> Russia is getting too big. Either I have to talk him into giving me
> Rumania (or him supporting me into an Austrian center). I would
> prefer to make Russia smaller, or not grow..and have him be happy
> about it.
>
> which then moves into the discussion about Italy and the South.
He wont be happy about it.
> >Italy has to use one fleet to take Tunis, and I suspect he is going to GRE
> >with thie other.
>
>
> how about I move to the AEG, to help you into Greece?
Bulgaria can support ALB - GRE, but it will be cut because he is attacking
BUL with support this turn...have Con support Bul.
> It would seem best for both of us if I could get Rumania from Russia
> and you get Greece and Trieste back. This takes a center from italy
> and russia and puts us on more equal footing....otherwise, there is
> the distinct possibility of Italy and Russia allying with each other.
> (If you were Russia or Italy, what would you do?)
>
Russia and Italy are not giving up anything without a fight
> so if this sort of general plan sounds good to you, let me know how
> you think we can implement it.
I dont think we can....
If I am you....
Bul s Alb - Gre
Con s Bul
Eas - Ion or Aeg
Ank - Arm
> i am already in pretty good communication with Russia, and unless
> Italy is totally thinking of going it alone (not out of the realm of
> poss with the Italian player we have here)---i would think you could
> negotiate yourself into a position of power.
The Italian has been doing nothing but lying to me since he started
talking, even about past events.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria
> > >Italy has to use one fleet to take Tunis, and I suspect he is going to GRE
>> >with thie other.
>>
>>
>> how about I move to the AEG, to help you into Greece?
>
>Bulgaria can support ALB - GRE, but it will be cut because he is attacking
>BUL with support this turn...have Con support Bul.
>
>> It would seem best for both of us if I could get Rumania from Russia
>> and you get Greece and Trieste back. This takes a center from italy
>> and russia and puts us on more equal footing....otherwise, there is
>> the distinct possibility of Italy and Russia allying with each other.
>> (If you were Russia or Italy, what would you do?)
>>
>
>Russia and Italy are not giving up anything without a fight
>
>> so if this sort of general plan sounds good to you, let me know how
>> you think we can implement it.
>
>I dont think we can....
>
>If I am you....
>
>Bul s Alb - Gre
Would you go for this instead:
you support me into Rumania this turn, and you move Alb-Gre
unsupported this turn.
then next turn, i'll support you into Greece, and after that you help
me into Ion. hopefully France takes MAR and then italy is history.
Turkey
Message from Austria to Turkey
>
> Would you go for this instead:
> you support me into Rumania this turn, and you move Alb-Gre
> unsupported this turn.
No...Im not attacking the Russian, he has made me some promises, and I
want to see him go through on them.
YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
Im supporting myself to Greece.
Message from Turkey to Austria
>No...Im not attacking the Russian, he has made me some promises, and I
>want to see him go through on them.
>
>YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
>
>Im supporting myself to Greece.
I appreciate your concern over my moves, and I hope that you
understand that you haven't given me much reason to support you into
Greece. If you want to talk further, let me know.
turkey
Message from Italy to Austria
Last I heard I was ordering Tri S Ser. I've asked the German about A Boh,
but haven't heard back yet. Anything new going on?
Message from Austria to Italy
Sorry I havent gotten back to you...
Yes...you are supporting SER, I am bouncing the German in Vienna .
thanks
Andy
Message to all
> :: Judge: USTX Game: Comments Variant: Standard
> :: Deadline: F1902M Mon Feb 03 2003 23:30:00 -0600
>
> One or more players have not gotten their orders in.
> One or more players have requested that orders not be processed
> until the deadline.
Five and a half hours until deadline. Let's get our orders in and remove
wait, folks.
Message to all
>
> Five and a half hours until deadline. Let's get our orders
> in and remove wait, folks.
>
The wait flag exists for a reason. If somebody sees the need to use it,
they're perfectly entitled to do so.
Austria: Fleet Albania → Greece (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest HOLD
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Greece (*cut*)
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Italian Army Burgundy → Belgium
England: Fleet North Sea → Holland (*bounce, dislodged*)
England: Army Yorkshire HOLD
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Gascony → Marseilles
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Spain (south coast)
France: Army Paris HOLD
Germany: Army Bohemia → Munich
Germany: Army Denmark HOLD
Germany: Fleet Helgoland Bight → North Sea
Germany: Fleet Holland SUPPORT Fleet Helgoland Bight → North Sea
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel
Italy: Army Burgundy → Belgium
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Trieste → Serbia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Venice → Adriatic Sea
Russia: Fleet Black Sea CONVOY Turkish Army Ankara → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Norway SUPPORT German Fleet Helgoland Bight → North Sea
Russia: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Galicia (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Fleet Norway
Russia: Army Ukraine → Galicia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
Turkey: Army Ankara → Black Sea → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Ankara → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Aegean Sea
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