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Message from Russia to Austria, Italy, and Turkey
Sure, I'll build F StP/NC if I can get Moscow back. I
proposed that years ago.
Eric.
Message from Turkey to Austria
>
> > I'm all for a smaller draw, but would it be better to make France
>> smaller even still?
>>
>> What is the best Italian build for us?
> >
>
>F Naples or F Rome....but asking him to build in Rome is a dead giveaway.
ok...starting throwing me some moves...I don't see a terribly good
stab right now.
i would say, we obviously leave MArseille and then offer Italy the
hope of keeping Mar with our help..as his last ditch attempt to stay
in the game.
but beyond that?
and anything i say to Russia and Italy take with a grain of
salt....let's decide what we actually do between the two of us in
direct A-T press. ok?
Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy, and Russia
Russia,
let's don't jump the gun here. Let's start hearing your plan on how
you think we can attack France. I'm not simply interested in the
trading of a SC center. come up with a good plan on what you are
going to do with the fleet...because if the plan isn't going to
work..thenI might as wellkeep Moscow
turkey
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
I heard that Turkey is offering Mos to Russia. I guess that
is bad news for you, although it must be part of the 4-way
plan against France which you told me about, I hardly think
that Italy would fancy the idea of holding with all the
Turkish and Italian units for another three years. Who
knows.
In any case, the good part of it for you (on the short run,
if they do not stab right away) is that if indeed Russia
builds StP/nc then it will tie down all my northern units,
will probably have to give up some ground too but definitely
defense in the north (as I had been planning anyway...).
Naturally it is hard to fix moves but if you feel like you
need it for yourself then I am happy to agree on concrete
matters. As a minimal program I can say that neither of Mun
or Ber will be attacked by a single unit in the foreseeable
future. I will even need those units elsewhere. I do not
think I ever lied to you in this game, still the most I can
say is: do whatever you want with this information.
If you need further coordination then I am all ears.
If you can talk Turkey out of letting Russia to Mos, it
would be very good. Sure, it would be good for me (why? I
dunno), but quite honestly if it happens, it might easily be
fatal for you I believe. I guess you know this.
Tamas
Message from Russia to Austria, Italy, and Turkey
> Message from Turkey to Italy, Russia and Austria in 'comments':
>
> let's don't jump the gun here. Let's start hearing your plan on how
> you think we can attack France. I'm not simply interested in the
> trading of a SC center. come up with a good plan on what you are
> going to do with the fleet...because if the plan isn't going to
> work..then I might as well keep Moscow
France needs three Fleets to hold MAO/Iberia, and (unless he
wipes me out), he requires at least three Fleets to hold NRG/Nth.
At the moment he has five, and four of them are involved in the
Med/MAO, so the opportunity is clearly there. If I move
Nwy-Swe, France is forced to decide whether to support Den,
or Kie so if I guess right with F Bal, he loses a Center.
Unfortunately, I can't move Nwy-Swe if I don't have a Unit to
cover Nwy against ECh-Nth-Nwy, so taking back Moscow is
a necessary first step in my view. There's also a potential
weakness in his line at Burgundy/Spain, but it requires an Army
in Marseilles to exploit. I'll leave that up to you to discuss with
Italy.
Nicky/Eric.
Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy, and Russia
> > Message from Turkey to Italy, Russia and Austria in 'comments':
> >
> > let's don't jump the gun here. Let's start hearing your plan on how
> > you think we can attack France. I'm not simply interested in the
> > trading of a SC center. come up with a good plan on what you are
> > going to do with the fleet...because if the plan isn't going to
> > work..then I might as well keep Moscow
>
> France needs three Fleets to hold MAO/Iberia, and (unless he
> wipes me out), he requires at least three Fleets to hold NRG/Nth.
> At the moment he has five, and four of them are involved in the
> Med/MAO, so the opportunity is clearly there. If I move
> Nwy-Swe, France is forced to decide whether to support Den,
> or Kie so if I guess right with F Bal, he loses a Center.
> Unfortunately, I can't move Nwy-Swe if I don't have a Unit to
> cover Nwy against ECh-Nth-Nwy, so taking back Moscow is
> a necessary first step in my view.
very good, you have Moscow. you want it in the spring? or fall? more/less
surprise for France?
There's also a potential
> weakness in his line at Burgundy/Spain, but it requires an Army
> in Marseilles to exploit. I'll leave that up to you to discuss with
> Italy.
Anyone see how to get my army to Mar?
turkey
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
> Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy and Russia in 'comments':
> very good, you have Moscow. you want it in the spring? or fall?
> more/less surprise for France?
Sev-Mos, War S Mos-Lvn, StP S Bal-Lvn (*All Bounce*) this
Spring, followed by Bal-Lvn, Mos-Lvn, Sev-Mos, (*Bounce*),
War S StP-Mos in the Fall stands a good chance of making France
think I've convinced Austria to stab Turkey.
Russia.
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia
> Message from hunter90@comcast.net as Russia to Austria and Turkey in
> 'comments':
>
> > Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy and Russia in 'comments':
>
> > very good, you have Moscow. you want it in the spring? or fall?
> > more/less surprise for France?
>
> Sev-Mos, War S Mos-Lvn, StP S Bal-Lvn (*All Bounce*) this
> Spring, followed by Bal-Lvn, Mos-Lvn, Sev-Mos, (*Bounce*),
> War S StP-Mos in the Fall stands a good chance of making France
> think I've convinced Austria to stab Turkey.
very good. I will order sev-mos and mos-lvn. Icing on the cake would be to try
and get something out of France as a reward for talking Austria into attacking
me and thus taking the heat off of France. France totally wants this game to
blow open and us to attack each other so that he can go for a solo. It would be
nice if his ever increasing arrogance leads to his own demise
turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria and Italy
ok..whose turn to draw up orders? let's try and hammer everything out on Tues
and have everything settled by Wed.
Message from Turkey to Austria
I assume you wouldn't have a problem with Russia building a fleet in the north?
we could really use that extra northern fleet that neither of us can build?.
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Message from albrigh@mail.med.upenn.edu as Turkey to Austria in 'comments':
>
>
> I assume you wouldn't have a problem with Russia building a fleet in
the north?
> we could really use that extra northern fleet that neither of us can build?.
>
I dont mind, but I am alittle confused....are you going to disband to
allow him to do this or are you getting a dot somewhere
Message from Austria to France
>
> I heard that Turkey is offering Mos to Russia. I guess that
> is bad news for you, although it must be part of the 4-way
> plan against France which you told me about, I hardly think
> that Italy would fancy the idea of holding with all the
> Turkish and Italian units for another three years. Who
> knows.
He is and I have already started the campaign to not have it happen, but
the Turk is showing me more backbone than I think I have ever seen from
him. We shall see.
> In any case, the good part of it for you (on the short run,
> if they do not stab right away) is that if indeed Russia
> builds StP/nc then it will tie down all my northern units,
> will probably have to give up some ground too but definitely
> defense in the north (as I had been planning anyway...).
I will not take advantage of that.
> Naturally it is hard to fix moves but if you feel like you
> need it for yourself then I am happy to agree on concrete
> matters. As a minimal program I can say that neither of Mun
> or Ber will be attacked by a single unit in the foreseeable
> future. I will even need those units elsewhere. I do not
> think I ever lied to you in this game, still the most I can
> say is: do whatever you want with this information.
And niether of them will attack you.
> If you need further coordination then I am all ears.
I dont think so. Are you taking Marsaille right now?
> If you can talk Turkey out of letting Russia to Mos, it
> would be very good. Sure, it would be good for me (why? I
> dunno), but quite honestly if it happens, it might easily be
> fatal for you I believe. I guess you know this.
Yes I do. I have already started the campaign.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
Mario...
I commend you...you talked him out of a dot.
Where to from here....
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Gentlemen. Where I am a firm believer in subterfuge.
It is my gut feeling that France isnt going to believe anything of the
sort.
Lets do it straight up, and not have all the games...that allows Russia to
put that fleet in Sweden, because if the French think for 1 second that
Russia is going to have a build, he is going to be all over you like white
on rice.
just my .02.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
> Message from albrigh@mail.med.upenn.edu as Turkey to Italy and Austria in
> 'comments':
>
>
> ok..whose turn to draw up orders? let's try and hammer everything out on Tues
> and have everything settled by Wed.
>
What are we accomplishing.
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
> very good. I will order sev-mos and mos-lvn. Icing on the cake would be to try
> and get something out of France as a reward for talking Austria into attacking
> me and thus taking the heat off of France. France totally wants this game to
> blow open and us to attack each other so that he can go for a solo. It would be
> nice if his ever increasing arrogance leads to his own demise
Guys....he isnt going to believe anything of the sort.
Just do it, and chose a season. And let me know
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
Well Mario,
We need an army in Marsaille, are you willing to tput your own army there
or do we need to convoy the Turkish army to Piedmont
Lets talk about this...
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
Mario,
I have been looking at the map, and I think you have to get yourself some
breathing room.....
That army in your back yard is a total thorn in your side. I think you
need to convoy it to Piedmont...that way it only threatens one space that
can be supported easily...
Before we can put any solid move on him, he has to out of the position he
is currently in, ie...he is all over you.
Let me know
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
>
> ok...starting throwing me some moves...I don't see a terribly good
> stab right now.
>
> i would say, we obviously leave MArseille and then offer Italy the
> hope of keeping Mar with our help..as his last ditch attempt to stay
> in the game.
Alot depends on what Italy agrees to do. As soon as we have that down,
I can draw up moves....I think we can take him down in one year....you get
Naples and Tunis and I get Venice and Rome. Is that fair??
> but beyond that?
>
> and anything i say to Russia and Italy take with a grain of
> salt....let's decide what we actually do between the two of us in
> direct A-T press. ok?
>
Are you really going to give the Russian a northern fleet...I dont have a
problem with it.
The one think WE MUST HAVE if we are going to take down the Italian is
more fleets. I have an idea that would get us more, but I dont know how
comfortable with it you will be.
Are you comfortable with our current arrangement.
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
> > If you can talk Turkey out of letting Russia to Mos, it
> > would be very good. Sure, it would be good for me (why?
> > I dunno), but quite honestly if it happens, it might
> > easily be fatal for you I believe. I guess you know
> > this.
>
> Yes I do. I have already started the campaign.
You might try telling Turkey that I am offering Den to
Russia. That will make him think.
Tamas
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
Gentlemen,
> Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in 'comments':
>
> Guys....he isnt going to believe anything of the sort.
Well, ok, then I would suggest Sev-Arm, Mos-Sev this Spring.
This would allow Arm-Smy, followed by a Convoy of Smy
westward.
Russia
Message from Turkey to Austria
>
>
>Alot depends on what Italy agrees to do. As soon as we have that down,
>I can draw up moves....I think we can take him down in one year....you get
>Naples and Tunis and I get Venice and Rome. Is that fair??
yes. but let's stab italy now before anything else changes (and that
way giving russia a fleet in STP will be easier for me.)
>
>> but beyond that?
>>
>> and anything i say to Russia and Italy take with a grain of
>> salt....let's decide what we actually do between the two of us in
>> direct A-T press. ok?
>>
>
>Are you really going to give the Russian a northern fleet...I dont have a
>problem with it.
>
>The one think WE MUST HAVE if we are going to take down the Italian is
>more fleets. I have an idea that would get us more, but I dont know how
>comfortable with it you will be.
what is it? you building a fleet?
>
>Are you comfortable with our current arrangement.
yes. I would be ok with you building a fleet..but I don't know how
necessary it would be.
turkey
Message from Austria to Turkey
> >Alot depends on what Italy agrees to do. As soon as we have that down,
> >I can draw up moves....I think we can take him down in one year....you get
> >Naples and Tunis and I get Venice and Rome. Is that fair??
>
> yes. but let's stab italy now before anything else changes (and that
> way giving russia a fleet in STP will be easier for me.)
Andrew,
We need to know what Italy is agreeing to do, in order to plan the stab
properly.
> >> but beyond that?
> >>
> >> and anything i say to Russia and Italy take with a grain of
> >> salt....let's decide what we actually do between the two of us in
> >> direct A-T press. ok?
> >>
> >
> >Are you really going to give the Russian a northern fleet...I dont have a
> >problem with it.
> >
> >The one think WE MUST HAVE if we are going to take down the Italian is
> >more fleets. I have an idea that would get us more, but I dont know how
> >comfortable with it you will be.
>
> what is it? you building a fleet?
No...I think I should support the attack on moscow so that you can disband
the army and rebuild a fleet. And we should do it in the FALL, so it
doesnt look so damn planned.
> >
> >Are you comfortable with our current arrangement.
>
>
> yes. I would be ok with you building a fleet..but I don't know how
> necessary it would be.
For Turkey to make gains in the Med without assistance they need at least
5 fleets. 6 is better so that you can keep your convoy route.
Im suggesting that you are going to get a build from the stab and if you
disband army Moscow you can build another fleet.
I have 7 armies at the front, and I will be building 2 more after this
year, after we stab Italy, you dont need armies. The only thing they do is
make me nervous.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria
>
>
>Andrew,
>
>We need to know what Italy is agreeing to do, in order to plan the stab
>properly.
exactly. I also get the feeling that Italy is either not paying that
much attention, or purposely ordering stuff late always in fear that
we are going to stab him...we might have to do some last minute
changing of plans/negotiations between you and me,
>
>No...I think I should support the attack on moscow so that you can disband
>the army and rebuild a fleet. And we should do it in the FALL, so it
>doesnt look so damn planned.
ok, sounds good. Why don't you prpose that to the RUssian...go with
his initial plan of a bounce in LVN in the spring, then in the fall
you support the Russian attack on me.
>
>
>For Turkey to make gains in the Med without assistance they need at least
>5 fleets. 6 is better so that you can keep your convoy route.
>
>Im suggesting that you are going to get a build from the stab and if you
>disband army Moscow you can build another fleet.
good
>
>I have 7 armies at the front, and I will be building 2 more after this
>year, after we stab Italy, you dont need armies. The only thing they do is
>make me nervous.
sounds good.
Message from Austria to Turkey
> >Andrew,
> >
> >We need to know what Italy is agreeing to do, in order to plan the stab
> >properly.
>
> exactly. I also get the feeling that Italy is either not paying that
> much attention, or purposely ordering stuff late always in fear that
> we are going to stab him...we might have to do some last minute
> changing of plans/negotiations between you and me,
No problem, I will be ready for that.
> >No...I think I should support the attack on moscow so that you can disband
> >the army and rebuild a fleet. And we should do it in the FALL, so it
> >doesnt look so damn planned.
>
> ok, sounds good. Why don't you prpose that to the RUssian...go with
> his initial plan of a bounce in LVN in the spring, then in the fall
> you support the Russian attack on me.
Yeah, but it will be single bounces, please DO NOT support it, the russian
really does need that fleet in Sweden or he is in a world of hurt.
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
Gentlemen,
After careful analysis of the Mos-Stp situation this is what I think we
should do.
Stp, Mos and War can all bounce in LVN in the spring. SINGLE BOUNCES
In the fall I will support the army in STP - MOS.
And Eric....GET YOUR FLEET TO SWEDEN, it doesnt mean a damn thing to get
you Moscow if you lose a dot to him somewhere and cant build.
Are we all good on this....please confirm.
xoxoxox
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia
>
>
>After careful analysis of the Mos-Stp situation this is what I think we
>should do.
>
>Stp, Mos and War can all bounce in LVN in the spring. SINGLE BOUNCES
>
>In the fall I will support the army in STP - MOS.
>
>And Eric....GET YOUR FLEET TO SWEDEN, it doesnt mean a damn thing to get
>you Moscow if you lose a dot to him somewhere and cant build.
>
>Are we all good on this....please confirm.
I am fine with it.
Message from Italy to Austria
I agree - I'd like to convoy that army Apu out of there. I tried to
convince France to allow us to take Naf, and then I could convoy Apu-Naf.
The problem with Apu-Pie is that France has recently been keen on
dislodging my fleet in Mar, and then moving out in the fall to allow me to
rebuild it as another fleet to attack Turkey.
I don't know if I like that plan, but I don't know if I can stop it
either. Lyo S Mar, Wes-Spa might work, if he doesn't attack from Spain,
but that prevents Apu from getting convoyed to Pie. Maybe we should just
convoy to Pie anyways...
Of course the funny thing is that the Turk seems to just want us to write
out orders for him to pastein. What would crack me up is if we wrote
orders to convoy one of our armies via his fleets in Ion and Aeg to Smy,
and see if he'd notice, or just put it in :-)
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
> >Are we all good on this....please confirm.
>
> I am fine with it.
It works for me, as well.
Eric.
Message from Austria to Italy
>
> I agree - I'd like to convoy that army Apu out of there. I tried to
> convince France to allow us to take Naf, and then I could convoy Apu-Naf.
That would be intresting.
> The problem with Apu-Pie is that France has recently been keen on
> dislodging my fleet in Mar, and then moving out in the fall to allow me to
> rebuild it as another fleet to attack Turkey.
Really.
> I don't know if I like that plan, but I don't know if I can stop it
> either. Lyo S Mar, Wes-Spa might work, if he doesn't attack from Spain,
> but that prevents Apu from getting convoyed to Pie. Maybe we should just
> convoy to Pie anyways...
Actually....do you think there is any chance that the French will support
NAF .
I really want to get that last fleet forward before I move on the Turk.
Im thinking. We leave the convoy until the fall.
We support WES - NAF from Tunis and move TYS up to WES, and move ION and
AEG up....
It pops the French fleet, and gives up a way to take Spain after we convoy
in the fall to Piedmont.
> Of course the funny thing is that the Turk seems to just want us to write
> out orders for him to pastein. What would crack me up is if we wrote
> orders to convoy one of our armies via his fleets in Ion and Aeg to Smy,
> and see if he'd notice, or just put it in :-)
We could try....:-)
What do you think of the above moves.
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Hi Andy,
I am watching the development of the AIRT with great
interest. Quite amusing and I do not envy you, it is quite
hard to be the inner power of a 3- or 4-way alliance.
I am in the process of planning moves which is getting
interesting now that much of the information has flown in
from RAIT. At the same time I want to ensure you about my
commitment to what we agreed on (never hurts).
> I will not take advantage of that.
>
> And niether of them will attack you.
>
> I dont think so. Are you taking Marsaille right now?
Ok, so that we are on the same page, can I take it for
granted that none of the provinces bordering Mun will be
attacked by either of your armies?
I think that there is a good chance that I will _try_ for
Marseilles, but success might depend on your confirmation
above. Another question: would you be able to order Tyr-Pie
by any chance?
Tamas
Message from Austria to France
Good Morning Tamas,
> I am watching the development of the AIRT with great
> interest. Quite amusing and I do not envy you, it is quite
> hard to be the inner power of a 3- or 4-way alliance.
Yes. There are times when it can be quite difficult.
> I am in the process of planning moves which is getting
> interesting now that much of the information has flown in
> from RAIT. At the same time I want to ensure you about my
> commitment to what we agreed on (never hurts).
Agreed. What have you heard.
> > I will not take advantage of that.
> >
> > And niether of them will attack you.
> >
> > I dont think so. Are you taking Marsaille right now?
>
> Ok, so that we are on the same page, can I take it for
> granted that none of the provinces bordering Mun will be
> attacked by either of your armies?
>
Correct.
> I think that there is a good chance that I will _try_ for
> Marseilles, but success might depend on your confirmation
> above. Another question: would you be able to order Tyr-Pie
> by any chance?
Im not sure of that. I know that it would cut off a retreat path for
Marsaille, but it would be horribly out of position for future moves.
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
What is F Baltic doing. The French are hammering me into the ground that
you are offering him support to Berlin.
Thanks
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Hi Andy,
> Agreed. What have you heard.
Nicely building 4-way plans against France (not bad at all),
and some 2-way plans using this as a camouflage. None of
the latter involve France unfortunately :-(.
Is not it funny to see eight "allied" fleets closed in the
Mediterranean? :-)
> > Ok, so that we are on the same page, can I take it for
> > granted that none of the provinces bordering Mun will be
> > attacked by either of your armies?
>
> Correct.
Great. Do you happen to know what my chances are for
actually succeeding with the dislodgment of Mar? Also, do
you think Italy knows about it?
> > I think that there is a good chance that I will _try_ for
> > Marseilles, but success might depend on your confirmation
> > above. Another question: would you be able to order Tyr-Pie
> > by any chance?
>
> Im not sure of that. I know that it would cut off a
> retreat path for Marsaille, but it would be horribly out
> of position for future moves.
Allright. I only wanted to know this because it is not
clear whether I must do it in the spring or can wait until
the fall. If I knew that F Mar is annihilated then clearly
the spring is the best option, otherwise I will have to
think. DUH. :-)
Tamas
Message from Austria to France
> > Agreed. What have you heard.
>
> Nicely building 4-way plans against France (not bad at all),
> and some 2-way plans using this as a camouflage. None of
> the latter involve France unfortunately :-(.
Which 2??...:-)
> Is not it funny to see eight "allied" fleets closed in the
> Mediterranean? :-)
Oh yes.....I look upon that area and just think of the possibilities.
> > > Ok, so that we are on the same page, can I take it for
> > > granted that none of the provinces bordering Mun will be
> > > attacked by either of your armies?
> >
> > Correct.
>
> Great. Do you happen to know what my chances are for
> actually succeeding with the dislodgment of Mar? Also, do
> you think Italy knows about it?
I think they are very good, I think he suspects that you will try to
dislodge Marsaille, but he doesnt think anything can be done about it.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Gentlemen,
We have discussed many issues both singley and together, but we need to
get a plan in place.
In the north....Russia and I are bouncing in the spring in Livonia and I
am supporting him to Moscow in the fall. I also STRONGLY suggest that
Baltic moves to Sweden.
In the middle of the board, I am just going to hold my own.
In the south, there have been 2 ideas come up;
Either a convoy to Piedmont or trying to force NAF, both ideas have merit,
which of them do we wish to do.
This is mainly an italian decision. But it being Weds and orders being due
tommorow, and we are all busy.
Lets get this nailed down.
Thanks
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy, and Russia
>
>
>Either a convoy to Piedmont or trying to force NAF, both ideas have merit,
>which of them do we wish to do.
My opinion is to try for the NAF, France may still be upset and
willing to retreat further/take chances...we should try to take
advantage of that.
But having an army in Mar if possible, might be a higher priority.
>
>This is mainly an italian decision.
It would be good to hear from italy! i wouldhave thought with his
new breath of life and new build, he might be a litle more interested
in the game now!
Message from Italy to Austria and Turkey
Hey I'm interested. Just busy. I agree that th emove to Naf seems like
the best bet, along with all of our other fleets moving up. I'll try to
suggest actual orders for us later on today when I get a sec
Message from Austria to Turkey
I will have new orders for us in a little while.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
> Hey I'm interested. Just busy. I agree that th emove to Naf seems like
> the best bet, along with all of our other fleets moving up. I'll try to
> suggest actual orders for us later on today when I get a sec
>
here goes....
Russia;
A NWY s F BAL - SWE
F BAL - SWE
A STP - LVN
Austria
War - LVN
A whole bunch of supprts across the front line.
Italy:
A Venice H or PIE
F Mar h
F NAP h
F TYS - WES
F TUN s F WES - NAF
Turkey
A MOS - LVN
A SEV - MOS
A RUM h
F AEG - ION
F ION - TYS
F WES - NAF
F LYO s F MAR
A APU h
Can I get a confirmation on this, or words to the contrary so that we can
revisit something if someone is uncomfortable
Thanks
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
> Which 2??...:-)
You see, this is my problem. You have been telling me that
your preference is AI against T and I am doing my best to
give way to that thing. And there is the missing piece of
the puzzle: that combination is the one I hear about the
least. Sure, you two are expert players but somehow it does
not seem to fit.
I do not seem to be smart enough to tell which of the
various 2-way permutations is the most likely but one thing
is sure: if it is AI against T, then you all are doing a
pretty expert job of disguise.
Tamas
Message from Austria to France
> I do not seem to be smart enough to tell which of the
> various 2-way permutations is the most likely but one thing
> is sure: if it is AI against T, then you all are doing a
> pretty expert job of disguise.
Yes...we are. And it isnt easy.
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
> Yes...we are. And it isnt easy.
I know that very well. Actually the threat of Russia
possibly building another northern fleet coupled with
Italian F Mar might be just the opportunity which you have
been waiting for. If you try to look at the board with
French eyes, you see that I have just as many units as are
absolutely needed for defense in the south and north and
with the Russian hope that he can actually live, he is not
helping me any more.
T
Message from Russia to Austria
Andy,
> What is F Baltic doing.
Either bouncing with Nwy in Swe, or bouncing with
StP in Lvn, I haven't decided, yet.
> The French are hammering me into the ground that
> you are offering him support to Berlin.
What would be the point? Boh + Tyl S Mun, Sil S Ber,
Mun S Ber, Ber S Mun holds against any FR attack.
We've been discussing game-theory, and how it relates
to the Turkish style of play, rather than moves.
Eric.
Message from Russia to Austria, Italy, and Turkey
Gentlemen,
> Message from Austria to Italy, Turkey and Russia in 'comments':
>
> In the north....Russia and I are bouncing in the spring in Livonia
> and I am supporting him to Moscow in the fall.
Yup.
> I also STRONGLY suggest that Baltic moves to Sweden.
Don't I need Bal & Swe to exploit the weakness in the French
line at Kiel/Den? Does it make any sense to move to Swe and
then back to Bal?
> In the south, there have been 2 ideas come up;
>
> Either a convoy to Piedmont or trying to force NAF,
> both ideas have merit, which of them do we wish to do.
I don't see that forcing NAf is possible, or a good idea if it can
be done. Gas & Por S Spa holds Spain, and MAO S NAf holds
NAf. If MAO does something else and you dislodge/destroy
NAf, he rebuilds F Bre and MAO is still stalemated, or he
builds A Par, and shores up the weakness in Bur. Even if
you take NAf, you still can't force MAO or Spa, and if he
rebuilds it as F Bre, and moves ECh north, my attack will be
slowed. The Convoy to Pie/Mar makes more sense, I think.
Eric.
Message from Russia to Austria, Italy, and Turkey
Gentlemen,
> Message from Austria to Italy, Turkey and Russia in 'comments':
>
>> I'll try to suggest actual orders
>
> here goes....
>
> Russia:
> Austria:
> Italy:
> Turkey:
>
> A MOS - LVN
> A SEV - MOS
I'd be much more comfortable with Sev-Arm. That would allow
Mos to retreat to Sev in the Fall, and give me some hope that I
might actually get to hold Mos.
Eric.
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
> >
> > here goes....
> >
> > Russia:
> > Austria:
> > Italy:
> > Turkey:
> >
> > A MOS - LVN
> > A SEV - MOS
>
> I'd be much more comfortable with Sev-Arm. That would allow
> Mos to retreat to Sev in the Fall, and give me some hope that I
> might actually get to hold Mos.
>
Eric...these are orders for the spring.....we are all going to bounce
anyway...what does it matter.
Right??
Message from Russia to Austria
Andy,
> Message Austria to Russia, Turkey and Italy in 'comments':
>>> A MOS - LVN
>>> A SEV - MOS
>>
>> I'd be much more comfortable with Sev-Arm. That would allow
>> Mos to retreat to Sev in the Fall, and give me some hope that I
>> might actually get to hold Mos.
>
> Eric...these are orders for the spring.....we are all going to bounce
> anyway...what does it matter.
It matters to me because Turkey has offered me Moscow any
number of times, and then reneged on the deal. If Turkey
remains in Sev due to the bounce, then retreats to Ukr as you
support me to Mos, and I build F Stp/NC what's to stop
Turkey from taking Moscow back as France moves to
eliminate me? I don't know what his true motive here is,
but I can't believe yours is to work toward an AIRT 4-way,
so I'd rather see moves that offer me some small measure of
security.
Thanks,
Eric.
Message from Austria to Russia
> > Eric...these are orders for the spring.....we are all going to bounce
> > anyway...what does it matter.
>
> It matters to me because Turkey has offered me Moscow any
> number of times, and then reneged on the deal.
Understood.
If Turkey
> remains in Sev due to the bounce, then retreats to Ukr as you
> support me to Mos, and I build F Stp/NC what's to stop
> Turkey from taking Moscow back as France moves to
> eliminate me?
He isnt. He and I have already worked out what the unit is doing in the
fall, and you have my word it isnt staying in this theatre.
He is disbanding it and building another fleet. PLEASE JUST TRUST ME HERE.
I think that is a much better result for both of us.
I don't know what his true motive here is,
> but I can't believe yours is to work toward an AIRT 4-way,
> so I'd rather see moves that offer me some small measure of
> security.
How about no unit at all....is that better security.
But if you kick up a fuss about it, he will get all defensive and feel
like you are going to attack him. Do you know what I mean??
Take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Fellas,
Have we settled on going for NAF, or the convoy.
Eric makes some good points, but from my negotiations with Tamas, I
honestly think there is a shot, or I wouldnt have suggested it.
Mario...you make the call....NAF or Convoy. And please do it pretty quick,
orders are due tommorow...I think.
Andy
Message from Austria to Russia
Oh...and Eric.....
PLEASE dont tell the Italian what the unit in Moscow is doing....
He will totally freak out, and he is already a bundle of nerves to deal
with. It helps us both out immensely, but it doesnt say anything good to
the Italian.....
Thanks
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy, and Russia
just send me my orders.
Russia, I would prefer not to move entirely out of the region as it
gives me more security. Obviously you get more security with me out
of the region, but I am giving you Moscow back--something which I
don't really _need_ to do. I'm just not prepared on top of it to
totally retreat as it weakens my position too much.
turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria
So as soon as we know what italy is going to do, do you want to draw
up alt plans? I won't submit anything. i won't have email from
2pm-9pm tonight. WhenI get home I'll submit my real orders
Message from Austria to Turkey
> So as soon as we know what italy is going to do, do you want to draw
> up alt plans? I won't submit anything. i won't have email from
> 2pm-9pm tonight. WhenI get home I'll submit my real orders
Exactly.... this was basically the email I was going to send you this
morning if Italy hadnt responded yet.
Message from Italy to Austria, Russia, and Turkey
Well, I'm a bit concerned that France will try to take back Marseilles.
This does us just as much bad in the north as a destruction of F Naf -
i.e. a new build for France.
What do you think about Lyo S Mar, and a convoy of Apu-Tus, to move to Pie
next year? Then Wes-Spa, Tun S Tys-Wes (to make sure Wes isn't
dislodged)?
Message from Austria to Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Mario,
> Well, I'm a bit concerned that France will try to take back Marseilles.
> This does us just as much bad in the north as a destruction of F Naf -
> i.e. a new build for France.
He can take it back anyway. And I suspect he will
SPA - MAR
BUR and GAS s SPA - MAR
MAO - SPA(SC)
POR s MAO - SPA(SC)
ENG - MAO
NAF s ENG - MAO
This is why I want to blow up the Fleet in NAF, so that he wont have 2
fleets in the Med proper.
> What do you think about Lyo S Mar, and a convoy of Apu-Tus,
For a moment, lets assume he doesnt take Marsaille.
This doesnt do us ANY good. It leaves us the same 2 turns from having an
army in Marsaille.
to move to Pie
> next year? Then Wes-Spa, Tun S Tys-Wes (to make sure Wes isn't
> dislodged)?
This is spring...WES can be dislodged right now with these orders.
Help me out here....time is very very very short.
You cant protect Marsaille.
What do you want to do.
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria, Russia, and Turkey
Let's go for the convoy - I wasn't seeing that he had 3 fleets on Wes.
Apu-Pie
Message from Austria to France
Tamas,
What are you doing with NAF.
Andy
Message from France to Austria
Andy,
> What are you doing with NAF.
Still do not know. What would be your interest? Do you
know what the decision is with Moscow?
Italy is pissed that I am not giving up Spa and Naf.
Honestly, I cannot see how I could do anything like that
when he does not answer my messages. How on earth can I
make sure that it is not Turkey who benefits? Brrr....
I would like to keep NaF in place but it is not a disaster
if I give it up.
Tamas
Message from Austria to France
Tamas,
> > What are you doing with NAF.
>
> Still do not know. What would be your interest? Do you
> know what the decision is with Moscow?
I got the Turk to revisit it for the spring, and hold off until at least
the fall on giving up Moscow.
At which time I am going to badger the shit out of him until he doesnt
give it up.
> Italy is pissed that I am not giving up Spa and Naf.
Well....that takes just immense balls.
> Honestly, I cannot see how I could do anything like that
> when he does not answer my messages. How on earth can I
> make sure that it is not Turkey who benefits? Brrr....
Agreed.
> I would like to keep NaF in place but it is not a disaster
> if I give it up.
Im not exactly sure what Italy and Turkey are doing, but if Turkey follows
my instructions it would be very much in your best interest to tap Tunis.
Is that an acceptable move for you.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
> Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy and Russia in 'comments':
>
> Russia, I would prefer not to move entirely out of the region as it
> gives me more security.
I didn't ask you to move entirely out of the region.Sev-Arm, Mos-Sev
leaves Sev and Rum positioned to defend each other.
> I am giving you Moscow back--something which I
> don't really _need_ to do.
You do if you want me to attack France.
> I'm just not prepared on top of it to
> totally retreat as it weakens my position too much.
Even if I built A StP, instead of F StP, it would still be my two
Armies against War, Rum and Sev, so I don't see the weakness,
but obviously I can't force you to move Sev-Arm.
Russia.
Message from Austria to Italy
Mario,
I really do want to put a set of orders together.
Help me out here.
Message from Italy to Austria
Didn't I respond - Apu-Pie, convoyed by everything relevant. I thought
you were holding and supporting
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message from dan@insidecorner.com as Italy to Austria in 'comments':
>
>
> Didn't I respond - Apu-Pie, convoyed by everything relevant. I thought
> you were holding and supporting
>
My apologies, I thought you had changed your mind when Russia started
deconstructing our options.
I will have orders out for the three of us in a matter of moments.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
Just so we are all on the same page.
Austria...all my units are holding or supprting holding except Warsaw
which is bouncing with Moscow in LVN.
Turkey:
A RUM and F AEG h
A SEV - MOS
A MOS - LVN
A APU - ION - TYS - LYO - PIE
F ION and LYO c APU - PIE
F WES - NAF
Italy:
F NAP s F TYS
F TUN s F WES - NAF
F TYS c A APU - PIE
F MAR h
A VEN h
Does anything here look out of whack to anyone
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
This is the real deal.
Spring;
Turkey:
RUM h
AEG - ION
MOS - LVN
SEV - MOS
ION - NAP
APU s ION - NAP
LYO - TYS
WES s LYO - TYS
Austria
All holds except WAR - LVN
TYR s TRI - VEN
TRI - VEN
-----------------------------------------------
Fall:
Turkey
WES, TYS and ION take Tunis
NAP s VEN - ROM
APU s TYR - VEN
RUM h
Austria
WAR s STP - MOS , dislodges MOS, which you disband and rebuild as a fleet.
TYR - VEN
VEN - ROM
Everything else holds and supports.
We both build 2...
Then we finish the Italian, and the Russian, and roll the board.
Does this work for you
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria, Italy, and Russia
just tell me what to order...i'm going to bed, so I'll do it in the morning
(late I suppose)
Message from Turkey to Austria
>
>
>
>This is the real deal.
so orderd, just now.
>
>Spring;
>
>Turkey:
>
>RUM h
>AEG - ION
>MOS - LVN
>SEV - MOS
>ION - NAP
>APU s ION - NAP
>LYO - TYS
>WES s LYO - TYS
>
>Austria
>
>All holds except WAR - LVN
>TYR s TRI - VEN
>TRI - VEN
>-----------------------------------------------
>Fall:
>
>Turkey
>
>WES, TYS and ION take Tunis
>
>NAP s VEN - ROM
>APU s TYR - VEN
>
>RUM h
>
>Austria
>
>WAR s STP - MOS , dislodges MOS, which you disband and rebuild as a fleet.
>TYR - VEN
>VEN - ROM
>
>Everything else holds and supports.
>
>We both build 2...
>
>Then we finish the Italian, and the Russian, and roll the board.
>
>Does this work for you
>
>Andy
Austria: Army Berlin SUPPORT Army Munich
Austria: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Munich
Austria: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Berlin
Austria: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Berlin
Austria: Army Trieste → Venice
Austria: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Army Trieste → Venice
Austria: Army Warsaw → Livonia (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Marseilles (*bounce*)
France: Army Denmark → Baltic Sea → Livonia
France: Fleet English Channel → North Sea
France: Army Gascony SUPPORT Army Spain
France: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Kiel
France: Army Kiel HOLD
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet North Africa
France: Fleet North Africa SUPPORT Italian Fleet Tunis
France: Fleet Portugal SUPPORT Army Spain
France: Army Ruhr → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Army Spain HOLD
Italy: Fleet Marseilles HOLD
Italy: Fleet Naples → Rome (*bounce, destroyed*)
Italy: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Turkish Fleet Western Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea CONVOY Turkish Army Apulia → Piedmont (*dislodged*)
Italy: Army Venice → Rome (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea CONVOY French Army Denmark → Livonia
Russia: Army Norway SUPPORT Army St Petersburg
Russia: Army St Petersburg SUPPORT French Army Denmark → Livonia
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Army Apulia SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea → Naples
Turkey: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Tyrrhenian Sea
Turkey: Fleet Ionian Sea → Naples
Turkey: Army Moscow → Livonia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Rumania HOLD
Turkey: Army Sevastopol → Moscow (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Tyrrhenian Sea
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