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France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean can retreat to North Africa or Portugal or Spain (north coast) or Spain (south coast) or Western Mediterranean
Message from England to all
Very, very funny, a very clever practical joke. How did someone manage to
issue phony results for S1903M and what happened to the real results?
Message from Master to all
Extension at player's request. Everyone take a week off!
Doug
Message [from Turkey] to all
DATELINE: CONSTANTINOPLE
Turkey's capital city erupted in riots yesterday, as
the political crisis that has gripped the country
devolved into bloodshed. For months, there has been
widespread concern that Ali Baba, the self-proclaimed
Supreme Commander of the Turkish Armed Forces, would
attempt to overthrow the government of Sultan Suleiman.
The Sultan has not been seen in public since Baba seized
control of the army, and many believe he is either
imprisoned or dead.
Violence erupted when the Sultan's Cabinet Ministers
received an anonymous tip outlining Baba's battle plans
in his war against Italy. Dubbed "Operation Roulette",
the plan signaled a radical shift in Turkey's foreign
policy. One minister, who spoke anonymously, joked that
it ought to be named "Operation Russian Roulette",
predicting that Turkey would be overrun by its enemies
should it be carried out.
The Cabinet, taking advantage of Baba's absence from
the capital, passed a resolution stripping Baba of his
military rank and political titles. The resolution
cited reports from government psychiatrists who claimed
that Baba was a certifiable paranoid-schizophrenic.
Couriers were sent to the front lines to countermand
Baba's orders, and an anti-Baba political rally was
staged on the Capital steps.
What started as a small political rally turned ugly
when the details of Baba's plans were revealed. Mobs
of angry Turks took to the streets and Baba was burned
in effigy. The violence was only worsened when news
reached the city that Baba's orders had ultimately been
carried out, resulting in the strongest military
successes of Baba's career. As news of the victory
spread, the mob turned on its leaders, and some of the
ministers were literally torn limb from limb.
Baba himself re-entered Constantinople to find the
city in chaos. After learning of the Cabinet action, he
immediately placed the remaining ministers under house
arrest, disbanded the Cabinet and proclaimed martial
law. He then proclaimed himself Emperor, thereby
abolishing the last vestiges of the Sultanate.
Reaction from the world community has been mixed.
Baba claims that he will continue to abide by agreements
made under the Sultan, but some nations have so far
refused to recognize his new government. The Political
Sector in Constantinople has been barricaded, and no
journalists have been allowed entry. Rumors are on
every tongue that each individual Embassy is in fact
surrounded by troops and tanks.
Baba seems to be in control of the military for now,
though his political troubles are far from over.
Conservatives in Turkey have argued that Baba's
government is illegitimate, and have called for an
uprising to return the Sultan to power. And although
Turkish forces have seized Smyrna, several factions
there have vowed to fight for a return of Italian
control. They claim that under Roberto, life was
beautiful.
The streets of Constantinople are quiet today, and
Turkish paramilitary units have enforced a strict
curfew. There is rising concern that the city appears
to be in control of Baba's personal guard, instead of
Turkish army regulars. The official Turkish news media
is currently releasing pro-Baba propaganda, and is
proclaiming evidence of mass graves in Serbia. However,
journalists have been barred from going anywhere near
the area, so these reports cannot be independently
confirmed.
Message from Austria to all
The Austro-Hungarian ambassador to Italy has been recalled.
Message from Austria to Turkey
I think you'll be better off with an Austrian ally than with an Italian one.
You will still be fighting with Russia, and possibly Germany, inland while
Italy is free to stab you at his leisure.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> I think you'll be better off with an Austrian ally than with an Italian
one.
>
> You will still be fighting with Russia, and possibly Germany, inland while
> Italy is free to stab you at his leisure.
My primary concern up to now has been to get my home center back and to
relieve AI pressure. At present, I'm open to suggestions. What do you have
in mind?
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Turkey
> My primary concern up to now has been to get my home center back and
> to relieve AI pressure. At present, I'm open to suggestions. What do
> you have in mind?
I'm pretty well hosed. But I can influence which way my centers fall
from here. I'd prefer to help you, though I eventually get squeezed
between you and Germany, rather than let Italy achieve whatever benefit
he sought when he stabbed me.
I won't be a perfect puppet; if I can assure myself of sharing in a
draw, I'll follow that course. But short of that, my goal is to harass,
hinder, and harm Italy. And if the stab resulted from your
manipulation, then well-played to you. I'll still seek revenge on my
putative ally rather than you.
So, the ball is in your court. You can prop me up, with some assurance
that the red units you don't wipe out will be as much yours to order as
the yellow ones. If you wish to immediately hit Italy, that appears
best to me; as well as keeping Smy, Gre, and Ser, you can probably
cripple Italy by supporting my return to Trieste while cutting Alb
support, giving him no center to compensate for his loss of Smyrna. He
then needs to not only find a safe disband, but also find a way to
defend his home centers.
My diplomatic services (however poor they have thus far shown
themselves) would also be at your disposal. Already Russia and Germany
have contacted me concerning the Italian stab. Both seem more concerned
about you than about Italy, and so can't provide the leadership against
Italy that I seek, but might be more willing to act in ways that benefit
you if the suggestion came from weak Austria-Hungary rather than
powerful Turkey.
You have a marvellous opportunity, created by what I believe to be a
strategic blunder by Italy. I hope you make the most of it.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Russia
In an IT alliance, Austria is certainly the first target.
Given Turkey's repeated army builds, can we doubt that Russia
is to be the next? Perhaps Russia hopes that Italian help
will follow Austria's demise, but with the proliferation of
Turkish armies, it is not clear that Italy would seek the
quick downfall of Turkey. Nor is Germany likely to patiently
await the resolution of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish wars
before continuing his own assault on the east.
I believe that even if Russia and Austria-Hungary ally, they
will not easily hold off the forces arrayed against them. But
I also believe that if they do not ally, even outside help
will not suffice to allow them to survive.
So, whither from here? Either way, you will probably see
Budapest in ashes before long. But by making that unhappy day
arrive later rather than sooner, perhaps you will increase
your own period of survival.
Will you accept my nation's humble apology for the wrongs done
to your peoples, and work with us to stand against the greater
oppressors?
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Germany
Austria-Hungary's situation has changed rather drastically. While my
government will probably have some proposals soon, there is great interest
in what you might propose.
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Germany to Austria
Your Grace:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't have any words of wisdom.
It looks to me like you're in a really bad way. But I'm sure that you
already knew that.
On the bright side, I predicted at the start of the game that all
alliances would fluctuate. I think that we're seeing that. With the
notable exception of EG. I'm holding my breath on that one. We're lucky
in that we managed to disengage, and everything has flowed smoothly ever
since. Who knows what will happen when we actually need each other for
support. That's coming up shortly.
My advice is to work both Turkey and Italy. Suddenly they both look
very strong. They must be eyeing the other with mistrust. You'll have
to turn one of them. I'd pick Italy. He knows How difficult Turkey is
to contain once he's out of his bag. You might have an opening if Turkey
builds a fleet in the fall. Maybe something will shake loose sooner.
I'm going to play it on the assumption that Italy and Turkey will go
after each other again. I just don't know if it'll be before or after
you're eliminated.
I've told both Italy and Turkey that I'm not going to interfere in
their battle on your soil. The Russian army in WAR is another matter.
Negotiating with Nick is like pulling teeth. I'm tired of it. I'm just
going to attack him. Plus it looks like I'd better place my stake in
northern Russia before Turkey comes along.
I can order BOH-GAL to break Russian support of WAR. Then one of us can
take WAR. But which one. I'd like it, I'm sure that you'd like it. I
see a clear advantage for me if I get it. But I see no difference
between you or Russia being there. Plus you have other options. Like
MOS and SEV. You know the advantages and disadvantages there.
But I'll ask anyway. Will you support me into WAR? In exchange I can
attack GAL. Perhaps that will cut support of an attack on VIE or BUD.
Is there anything else that you'd like down the road that I can offer?
Fredd
Message from Austria to Germany
> Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't have any words of
> wisdom. It looks to me like you're in a really bad way. But
> I'm sure that you already knew that.
Well, there's good beer here, though it's not quite the same
as at home. But my family, well, they probably won't survive
unless the IT attack can be forestalled.
> On the bright side, I predicted at the start of the game that all
> alliances would fluctuate. I think that we're seeing that. With the
> notable exception of EG. I'm holding my breath on that one. We're lucky
> in that we managed to disengage, and everything has flowed smoothly ever
> since. Who knows what will happen when we actually need each other for
> support. That's coming up shortly.
He didn't seem too happy with the Burgundy situation.
> I've told both Italy and Turkey that I'm not going to
> interfere in their battle on your soil.
Not even one little Mun-Tyr? It could move to Piedmont, to
help Ivy against France, soon afterward.
> The Russian army in WAR is another matter. Negotiating with
> Nick is like pulling teeth. I'm tired of it. I'm just going
> to attack him. Plus it looks like I'd better place my stake
> in northern Russia before Turkey comes along.
> Will you support me into WAR?
Right now, my country desparately needs centers. In almost
any other situation, I would strongly consider supporting you,
but right now, there's no tomorrow, and whatever good you can
do for me tomorrow has little value today.
> Is there anything else that you'd like down the road that I can offer?
What I'd like - your help in holding my home centers - you've
already promised others you wouldn't provide. I'll also take
any advice you can give for free, because I can't afford to
pay anything for it right now.
Of course, if my country survives, she will owe a debt of
gratitude to whoever helped her in her hour of greatest need.
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to England
Greetings from the lost (well, nearly lost) Austria-Hungary.
If Italy is to remain allied with Turkey, where will the Italian navies
go? They are of little use against Austria, and even less against
Russia or Germany.
They are probably destined for Iberia, I suspect. Which will not only
limit your gains there, but force you to permanently support a fleet in
the Mid-Atlantic, lest Italian fleets leak northward.
That would make it much easier for Germany to stab you than vice-versa.
Germany is already the leading power on the board, though Turkey is
close behind. And Germany has easy pickings in St Petersburg, even
without stabbing you in Norway, and will probably pick up several of the
centers in Austria-Hungary and Russia as well.
Suppose, however, you were to ally with France. I know that earlier,
you said you were afraid that such a course would merely add another
enemy. But France should be in mortal fear of the Italian fleets.
Freed from your pressure, he would find it far better to turn and face
the Italian than fight a futile war of revenge against you. That will
slow or stop the Italian advance, securing the Mid-Atlantic.
Meanwhile the German would be hard-pressed to protect his Scandinavian
and Lowland holdings, especially once Turkey enters Silesia.
If you decide not to shift your alliances at this time, perhaps you
could encourage the German to march on Marseilles; his passage through
Tyrolia and Piedmont would surely give pause to the Italian, and once he
arrives in Piedmont, he can both help against France and maintain
pressure on Italy.
If you have any other suggestions that would distract or divert the
enemies of Austria-Hungary, or assist her shattered and scattered
forces, your advice and comments would be most welcome.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message [from Russia] to all
> Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
>
> Very, very funny, a very clever practical joke. How did someone manage to
> issue phony results for S1903M and what happened to the real results?
You didn't really expect everyone to form alliances in 1901/1902, and then
Carebear their way to the end of the game, did you? We've all Soloed more
than once, and a Solo here means a great deal, so I, at least, expected some
rather bloody stabs.
Message from England to Austria
Edna,
>Greetings from the lost (well, nearly lost) Austria-Hungary.
I does look rather bad.
You will not be surprised to learn that it was France that engineered this
manuever. First he tried to unite Austria, Russia, and Italy against
Turkey, but that failed because of problems between you and Russia. You
probably can confirm this. Failing that, the turned to Turkey, Italy , and
Russia.
Why would he do this? Because a slowly developing east gives me more time
to encroach on France. France expects that Italy is coming to his rescue.
Italy may have gotten more than he bargained for with Turkey. That's one
big Turkey! Italy is supposed to get Greece in exchange for giving up
Smyrna, but that may be tricky. I am guessing that Bul-Rum, Gre-Bul,
Ion-Gre is called for. You could foul that up with your southern fleet.
Also, it appears that Sev will remain wide open. I doubt that Moscow will
be open.
Why do I bring this up? I prefer that Italy be a little weaker than he
thought he would be, so that he is more likely to want my help. I don't
want him propping up France.
Please do not divulge the above to anyone.
>Suppose, however, you were to ally with France. I know that earlier,
>you said you were afraid that such a course would merely add another
>enemy. But France should be in mortal fear of the Italian fleets.
Do you really think so? I expect that France would love nothing better than
to attack me.
>If you decide not to shift your alliances at this time, perhaps you
>could encourage the German to march on Marseilles; his passage through
>Tyrolia and Piedmont would surely give pause to the Italian, and once he
>arrives in Piedmont, he can both help against France and maintain
>pressure on Italy.
Now that is an interesting idea.
>If you have any other suggestions that would distract or divert the
>enemies of Austria-Hungary, or assist her shattered and scattered
>forces, your advice and comments would be most welcome.
See above.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
Indeed, what you suggest would be a great boon to Turkey. The Italian wants
and expects me to cede him Gre in exchange for Smy. I think he's likely to
order Ion S Alb-Gre, in which case support from Alb won't need to be cut.
I'm reluctant to move either Ser or Gre, but Ser could easily support you to
Tri, and I doubt Alb will cut that support.
Germany tells me he plans to stay out of the Austrian theatre, and that he
plans to attack Russia. Russia tells me he's claiming he didn't know about
the IT maneuver (this is a lie, by the way). I expect Russia will probably
hold in War and attack Bud, hoping for IT support. That being the case,
then Bud-Tri would lose Bud to the Russian, while Bud S Vie-Tri would have
its support cut. However, support from Ser should still ensure Vie-Tri. Is
this along the lines of what you were thinking?
By the way, to answer your question, I wasn't the one who influenced the
Italian decision. The impression I got was that it was France's lobbying
for a change in the 2-on-2 dynamic in the south that did that. Italy was
the one who approached me and Russia with his plan.
It is dangerous for me to even discuss these things with you, as there is a
great likelihood you will simply use my words to turn Russia or Italy
against me. If I support you against Italy, how do I know you won't just
switch sides again once I'm the bad guy? Still, if I get two builds this
year, it would be a perfect opportunity to build two fleets, though I'm sure
that would just paint a big ol' target on my forehead. But since you
brought it up, I see no reason not to explore the possibilities.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the above.
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Turkey
> It is dangerous for me to even discuss these things with you, as there is
> a great likelihood you will simply use my words to turn Russia or Italy
> against me. If I support you against Italy, how do I know you won't just
> switch sides again once I'm the bad guy? Still, if I get two builds this
> year, it would be a perfect opportunity to build two fleets, though I'm
> sure that would just paint a big ol' target on my forehead. But since you
> brought it up, I see no reason not to explore the possibilities.
I've been pursuing an AT alliance since spring '01; though these are not the
circumstances I would have chosen, still I do now find myself in my
preferred alliance.
Last turn, I put the odds at 60%-70% that Italy would stab me. But just
countering the stab would have left me not much better off than I now find
myself. Similarly, I put the odds at 50-60% that you are just stringing me
along, trying to find the most efficient way to get rid of me. But letting
you get rid of me efficiently isn't really much worse for me than the
lingering death that otherwise awaits; and I cling to the 40% chance that
you will take longer-term advantage of what I offer. (In one earlier post,
I forecast that you would have plenty of opportunity to stab me later. In
fact, I am rather easily stabbed, because I somewhat optimistically view
myself as such a good ally that it seems in my allies' best interest not to
stab me.)
> Indeed, what you suggest would be a great boon to Turkey. The Italian wants
> and expects me to cede him Gre in exchange for Smy. I think he's likely to
> order Ion S Alb-Gre, in which case support from Alb won't need to be cut.
> I'm reluctant to move either Ser or Gre, but Ser could easily support you to
> Tri, and I doubt Alb will cut that support.
Interesting. I'll go ahead with whatever you'd like, though I might whine a
bit if it seems too suicidal. Right now, this plan seems to be shaping up
rather well: Bud/Ser s Vie-Tri, Aeg-Ion, Ukr-Mos (or -Sev). Bul is free
to support Gre, or Ser, or move to Rum (against the possibility of Ukr, Gal,
or Bud moving there).
> Germany tells me he plans to stay out of the Austrian theatre, and that he
> plans to attack Russia. Russia tells me he's claiming he didn't know about
> the IT maneuver (this is a lie, by the way).
Germany has spoken vaguely; his only concrete suggestion was a request for
support to Warsaw (which I politely refused), which I assume was meant to
discourage me from trying for Warsaw. Of course, Germany can also support
an attack on Galicia, letting Russia retreat to his choice of open centers,
such as Warsaw, Vienna, Budapest, or Rumania. Russia blames me for most of
his troubles (with some justification); I don't give much credence to
anything he writes.
> I expect Russia will probably hold in War and attack Bud, hoping for IT
> support. That being the case, then Bud-Tri would lose Bud to the Russian,
> while Bud S Vie-Tri would have its support cut. However, support from Ser
> should still ensure Vie-Tri. Is this along the lines of what you were
> thinking?
Yes, that would be ideal.
> By the way, to answer your question, I wasn't the one who influenced the
> Italian decision. The impression I got was that it was France's lobbying
> for a change in the 2-on-2 dynamic in the south that did that. Italy was
> the one who approached me and Russia with his plan.
France and Italy have been faithful allies all game, but where does France
expect Italian growth to come? With three fleets, Italy is unlikely to get
even a 50-50 share of any Austrian centers. If I were you, I might be
concerned that an IR or IG is already planned; a long-term IT is more
dangerous than helpful to France. Of course, that's a self-serving comment
in my situation, but I also believe it's true.
> It is dangerous for me to even discuss these things with you, as there is
> a great likelihood you will simply use my words to turn Russia or Italy
> against me.
I don't pass press, and I rarely pass on others' proposals or suggestions
even paraphrased. Turning Italy against you would do me no good; he's taken
himself grossly out of position to help an AI alliance anyway. Russia is
almost as irrelevant as Austria-Hungary; I believe Germany will attack him
(partly to get there before you do) and Russia will be fully absorbed by his
own defense.
> If I support you against Italy, how do I know you won't just switch sides
> again once I'm the bad guy?
Switch to what side? Join Italy, who already stabbed me once? Germany, who
mumbles out of both sides of his mouth without saying anything useful?
France, who is fighting a losing battle against England? England, who,
unless he comes to blows with Germany before getting into the Med, has an
excellent chance of soloing? I doubt that I'll be switching sides again.
> Still, if I get two builds this year, it would be a perfect opportunity to
> build two fleets, though I'm sure that would just paint a big ol' target
> on my forehead. But since you brought it up, I see no reason not to
> explore the possibilities.
One of those fleets would be stuck inside, in Ankara; it will take three
turns to pass all your fleets through the Bosphorus. But a Turkey with
three fleets in 1904 is not particularly unusual, and none of your neighbors
would be in position to gain by "turning on you." Long-term, an EGT draw
looks fairly likely, and you'd only need a center advantage to win the
championship.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
Ralassa,
> In an IT alliance, Austria is certainly the first target.
> Given Turkey's repeated army builds, can we doubt that Russia
> is to be the next? Perhaps Russia hopes that Italian help
> will follow Austria's demise, but with the proliferation of
> Turkish armies, it is not clear that Italy would seek the
> quick downfall of Turkey. Nor is Germany likely to patiently
> await the resolution of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish wars
> before continuing his own assault on the east.
I can't argue with this analysis.
> I believe that even if Russia and Austria-Hungary ally, they
> will not easily hold off the forces arrayed against them. But
> I also believe that if they do not ally, even outside help
> will not suffice to allow them to survive.
Also probably true.
> Will you accept my nation's humble apology for the wrongs done
> to your peoples, and work with us to stand against the greater
> oppressors?
What do you and Archduke Ferdinand suggest?
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Russia
> What do you and Archduke Ferdinand suggest?
Unfortunately, we are both in such poor shape there is no clearly
profitable course of action.
France apparently encouraged the stab, in the belief that Italy would
come to his aid once the east was resolved. I've asked England to
encourage Germany to help me, and/or to move to Tyrolia putting
pressure on Italy, to counter that. I've also asked Germany directly,
but his response was long on encouraging remarks and short on
specifics; I think he strongly covets your northern centers, and will
be hard to discourage.
But, the country we both border is Turkey. And your ability to
rebuild the fleet in Sevastopol will be critical to any counterattack.
If I'm working with you, I'll use my Ukraine army against Turkey, and
I'd appreciate it if your Gal army could support Ukr-Rum. If you are
unwilling to commit to that, let me know, and I'll suggest something
else. And of course if you have any suggestions, I'm interested in
hearing them.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
Ralassa,
> I've asked England to encourage Germany to move to Tyrolia putting
> pressure on Italy,
I've made similar suggestions to Germany, pointing out that Tyl-Pie
would allow him a greater share of the French Centers.
> I think he strongly covets your northern centers,
Yes, I've gotten that impression, though it seems like a recipe for
stalemate in the East, to me.
> But, the country we both border is Turkey. And your ability to
> rebuild the fleet in Sevastopol will be critical to any counterattack.
> If I'm working with you, I'll use my Ukraine army against Turkey, and
> I'd appreciate it if your Gal army could support Ukr-Rum. If you are
> unwilling to commit to that, let me know, and I'll suggest something
> else. And of course if you have any suggestions, I'm interested in
> hearing them.
While I would like to see your Army in Ukr move out, I think it
might make more sense to order Ukr S Gal-Rum, since I've got open
Centers to build in, and you could try Vie S Bud-Tri, since Italy is
likely to demand Greece from Turkey in return for Smy. What do
you think?
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Russia
> While I would like to see your Army in Ukr move out, I think it
> might make more sense to order Ukr S Gal-Rum, since I've got open
> Centers to build in, and you could try Vie S Bud-Tri, since Italy is
> likely to demand Greece from Turkey in return for Smy. What do
> you think?
I think you're already getting a build for Warsaw, and if I am forced to
remove more units, I won't even have enough units to be a useful puppet.
If Ukr gives support, that means it's left hanging around surrounded by
your centers: War, Mos, Sev, Rum. That makes no sense to me. If you
support Ukr into Rum, then Ukr is out of your hair and into Turkey's.
The immediate build should be worth less to you than the value of not
having to defend your home centers against Ukr. And Rum would probably
become yours the following year, assuming you build a new fleet in Sev,
since that army would probably be best used for Rum-Ser (getting it
further from your home centers, and retaking the critical supply center.)
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
Ralassa,
> I think you're already getting a build for Warsaw,
Yes, assuming I don't lose StP or Sev, but if you want me to fight
Germany and Turkey, two builds would almost be required.
> If Ukr gives support, that means it's left hanging around surrounded by
> your centers: War, Mos, Sev, Rum. That makes no sense to me. If you
> support Ukr into Rum, then Ukr is out of your hair and into Turkey's.
Yes, but conversely, if I support Ukr-Rum, that leaves Gal adjacent to
Bud and Vie...
> The immediate build should be worth less to you than the value of not
> having to defend your home centers against Ukr.
I'm assuming that if we're allied, I won't have to defend my Centers
against you, and given Gal-Rum, that opens up Ukr-Gal next Spring.
I'm not ruling out Gal S Ukr-Bud here, I'm just arguing my position.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message [from Austria] to Austria and Italy
Gentlemen,
Why am I sending this anonymously? Because I wish the message to be
unobscured by the messenger.
Italy can use his fleets to dislodge the Austrian fleet in the Aegean. One
can assume that Italy would retreat to a center if one were available.
That center would presumably be Turkish, yet could Turkey blame Italy for
the loss of his center?
Beyond that, what will Italy do if Turkey doesn't pass him Greece as
planned? That would leave Turkey with two builds, none for Italy.
Austria, would you forgive the stab and resume an AI alliance in that case,
or would you let Turkey devour both of you?
Kiki Cuyler
Message from Austria to Russia
> Yes, but conversely, if I support Ukr-Rum, that leaves Gal adjacent to
> Bud and Vie...
Earlier, you refused to move Gal to Rum, claiming that would let Germany
into Gal too easily. If Ukr supports Gal-Rum now, doesn't it have the same
effect? While your argument then may not have reflected your real reasons,
it remains valid.
> I'm assuming that if we're allied, I won't have to defend my Centers
> against you, and given Gal-Rum, that opens up Ukr-Gal next Spring.
Actually, Ukr would get removed in the winter; without a center to supply
it, it could not survive.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
> Message from Austria to Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > Yes, but conversely, if I support Ukr-Rum, that leaves Gal adjacent
to
> > Bud and Vie...
>
> Earlier, you refused to move Gal to Rum, claiming that would let Germany
> into Gal too easily. If Ukr supports Gal-Rum now, doesn't it have the
same
> effect? While your argument then may not have reflected your real
reasons,
> it remains valid.
Well, no, Germany is no longer concerned about the strength of the AI
alliance, so he has no reason to attack you, and is more likely to move
Boh-Sil, than Boh-Gal, at this point.
> Actually, Ukr would get removed in the winter; without a center to supply
> it, it could not survive.
You don't think that you can retake Tri then?
Nick.
Message from Austria to Russia
> You don't think that you can retake Tri then?
Probably not, though if I even try depends partly on what you and I can
work out. But even if I succeed in that, I consider Aeg more useful than
Ukr. If I guess wrongly with Aeg, it still has to be kept if I can.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
> Message from Austria to Russia in 'titleist':
> Probably not, though if I even try depends partly on what you and I can
> work out. But even if I succeed in that, I consider Aeg more useful than
> Ukr. If I guess wrongly with Aeg, it still has to be kept if I can.
Ok, I'll support Ukr-Rum.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from Master to all
We'll also have an extension from Aug 14 to Aug 20 -- hopefully,
we'll get the retreat and maybe the fall moves before that player
departs (if he's comfortable with his moves before leaving).
Doug
Message from Austria to Italy
Though I have withdrawn my ambassador, I will still read your messages; if
you nevertheless prefer to maintain deniability by utilising grey press,
that is also acceptable.
> Italy can use his fleets to dislodge the Austrian fleet in the Aegean. One
> can assume that Italy would retreat to a center if one were available.
^^^^^
I assume this should read "Austria"?
> Beyond that, what will Italy do if Turkey doesn't pass him Greece as
> planned? That would leave Turkey with two builds, none for Italy.
> Austria, would you forgive the stab and resume an AI alliance in that case,
> or would you let Turkey devour both of you?
I would look at the situation as it would then stand, ruling out nothing.
Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. RL pressures and all that.
> Last turn, I put the odds at 60%-70% that Italy would stab me. But just
> countering the stab would have left me not much better off than I now find
> myself. Similarly, I put the odds at 50-60% that you are just stringing
me
> along, trying to find the most efficient way to get rid of me. But
letting
> you get rid of me efficiently isn't really much worse for me than the
> lingering death that otherwise awaits; and I cling to the 40% chance that
> you will take longer-term advantage of what I offer.
Italy sucker-punched me with that Leponto. He sucker-punched you last turn.
Clearly, leaving yourself open to this guy is a Bad Thing. And, it's
difficult to proceed in an alliance without leaving yourself at least
somewhat open to your ally.
If I'm to build fleets and attack Italy, I'm a lot better off if I can build
two at once; and this may well be the last chance I'll get to do that. Even
if it would mean some shuffling to get them out to sea, it would still be a
great advantage. So, there are plenty of advantages to Turkey to support
Austria instead of Italy.
> (In one earlier post,
> I forecast that you would have plenty of opportunity to stab me later. In
> fact, I am rather easily stabbed, because I somewhat optimistically view
> myself as such a good ally that it seems in my allies' best interest not
to
> stab me.)
Ironically, this is also the approach I typically take. Unfortunately I
picked the wrong ally early on (namely our illustrious Roberto), and lost
Smyrna as a result. It's the approach you took, and now he's in Trieste.
> Interesting. I'll go ahead with whatever you'd like, though I might whine
a
> bit if it seems too suicidal. Right now, this plan seems to be shaping up
> rather well: Bud/Ser s Vie-Tri, Aeg-Ion, Ukr-Mos (or -Sev). Bul is free
> to support Gre, or Ser, or move to Rum (against the possibility of Ukr,
Gal,
> or Bud moving there).
This has the most promise from my perspective; in any case I would not
propose anything "suicidal" to you.
I've heard a number of screwy things from Russia; at first it was Gal-Bud,
then War-Mos, Gal-War, and he's also hinted at combining efforts with you
against Rumania. Italy has discussed the possibility of Tri S Gal-Bud, and
it seems likely Russia would go along with such a plan. Italy has also
talked about Alb S Tri; I'm trying to talk him into ordering Ion S Alb-Gre
instead, but I'm not sure if he'll agree to rely on Serbia supporting
Trieste. Still, if he decides to support himself then I'm not ruling out
Gre-Alb to cut support, if you'll order Aeg-Ion so I don't lose Greece.
> Germany has spoken vaguely; his only concrete suggestion was a request for
> support to Warsaw (which I politely refused), which I assume was meant to
> discourage me from trying for Warsaw. Of course, Germany can also support
> an attack on Galicia, letting Russia retreat to his choice of open
centers,
> such as Warsaw, Vienna, Budapest, or Rumania. Russia blames me for most
of
> his troubles (with some justification); I don't give much credence to
> anything he writes.
I strongly doubt Germany will be coordinating any efforts with Russia. I
fully expect Boh-Sil, so that Germany can attack Warsaw and StP next year.
> France and Italy have been faithful allies all game, but where does France
> expect Italian growth to come? With three fleets, Italy is unlikely to
get
> even a 50-50 share of any Austrian centers. If I were you, I might be
> concerned that an IR or IG is already planned; a long-term IT is more
> dangerous than helpful to France. Of course, that's a self-serving
comment
> in my situation, but I also believe it's true.
As do I. I think France's only motivation was that if AI vs RT dragged on
(as it seemed it might), then he had no chance whatsoever against EG. If
the south were shaken up, then there's at least some chance the western
situation would change too. Perhaps he hopes for Italian support, and
perhaps he figures he'll get chewed up by Italy but prefers that to losing
centers to EG. Who can say. In any case, my impression is that it was
France's lobbying that turned Italy.
> I don't pass press, and I rarely pass on others' proposals or suggestions
> even paraphrased. Turning Italy against you would do me no good; he's
taken
> himself grossly out of position to help an AI alliance anyway. Russia is
> almost as irrelevant as Austria-Hungary; I believe Germany will attack him
> (partly to get there before you do) and Russia will be fully absorbed by
his
> own defense.
> Switch to what side? Join Italy, who already stabbed me once? Germany,
who
> mumbles out of both sides of his mouth without saying anything useful?
> France, who is fighting a losing battle against England? England, who,
> unless he comes to blows with Germany before getting into the Med, has an
> excellent chance of soloing? I doubt that I'll be switching sides again.
I have to say I agree with all of the above. I guess I just wanted to hear
it from you. I have the same reservations that you do, i.e. that you may be
just stringing me along in hopes you can hurt me somehow. But I also
believe we both have a lot of clear advantages in working together right
now.
> One of those fleets would be stuck inside, in Ankara; it will take three
> turns to pass all your fleets through the Bosphorus. But a Turkey with
> three fleets in 1904 is not particularly unusual, and none of your
neighbors
> would be in position to gain by "turning on you." Long-term, an EGT draw
> looks fairly likely, and you'd only need a center advantage to win the
> championship.
So again, AT cooperation is in my best interests. And I'm generally guided
by a keen sense of enlightened self-interest (my '01 builds and '02 moves
notwithstanding).
Let me know what you think. I'd like to get a plan shored up by Friday, as
I'll be out of e-mail contact this weekend.
Regards,
Ali
Message from England to Austria
Edna,
Discretion please, I beg you!
Turkey is toying with the idea of turning on Italy immediately. This would
involve supporting you into Trieste. If you are very, very friendly to
Turkey (hard, I know) and not make demands of Turkey for your cooperation,
you may have a chance at recovering Trieste this fall. If this happens,
you may have decent survival chances by taking sides in a renewed IT conflict.
If Turkey decides to remain friendly to Italy, he will have to surrender
Greece this fall. You may be able to thwart this exchange by effecting a
bounce with Aeg-Gre or Aeg-Bul.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Austria to Turkey
> If I'm to build fleets and attack Italy, I'm a lot better off if I can
> build two at once; and this may well be the last chance I'll get to do
> that. Even if it would mean some shuffling to get them out to sea, it
> would still be a great advantage. So, there are plenty of advantages to
> Turkey to support Austria instead of Italy.
I certainly think so.
> I've heard a number of screwy things from Russia; at first it was Gal-Bud,
> then War-Mos, Gal-War, and he's also hinted at combining efforts with you
> against Rumania.
That last part may be true; I started pushing for that right after the last
moves, before I knew whether I'd really want it or if I just wanted to know
what Gal would be doing. Right now, he's said he'll support Ukr-Rum, which
may freeze Gal, and may cause him to leave Mos open. More likely, he's
lying for similar reasons as I, trying to reduce the chance Ukr will grab
Mos or Sev.
> Italy has discussed the possibility of Tri S Gal-Bud, and it seems likely
> Russia would go along with such a plan. Italy has also talked about Alb S
> Tri; I'm trying to talk him into ordering Ion S Alb-Gre instead, but I'm
> not sure if he'll agree to rely on Serbia supporting Trieste. Still, if
> he decides to support himself then I'm not ruling out Gre-Alb to cut
> support, if you'll order Aeg-Ion so I don't lose Greece.
I will order Aeg-Ion. Tri s Gal-Bud could dislodge Bud, so presumably Italy
is assuming you'll cover Rum. So he's expecting Bul-Rum, Gre-Bul, Ser s
Bul-Rum, Bla-Con, Smy s Bla-Con.
I'll be ordering Aeg-Ion, Bud s Vie-Tri, Vie-Tri, and if you want to
coordinate Ukr (because you want to order Bla-Sev, say), let me know.
Right now, Mos is "better", because I can support Germany or you to Russia's
other SCs, but Sev is easier.
> Let me know what you think. I'd like to get a plan shored up by Friday, as
> I'll be out of e-mail contact this weekend.
It looks like the retreat won't process until Monday, which means the Fall
move deadline won't be before next Wednesday. But there's nothing I can
think of that will change my mind before then.
I did get some grey press, suggesting that Turkey was going to betray Italy,
and encouraging me to forgive the stab and rejoin Italy if that happened.
It was written in the manner of the English leader, and addressed to Italy
and myself. If France was trying to break the deadlock, perhaps England is
trying to re-establish it? Or Italy was probing for allies in case you
stabbed him? Or someone else? At any rate, my only response so far was to
Italy (the co-addressee), rather stiffly saying the Archduke would do
whatever seemed best for his nation. Diplomatically, it's not too
important, but that's the first private grey press I've gotten in the game,
and I'm curious about it. Do you know anything about it? Any mysterious
grey press come to you?
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to England
> Turkey is toying with the idea of turning on Italy immediately. This
> would involve supporting you into Trieste. If you are very, very friendly
> to Turkey (hard, I know) and not make demands of Turkey for your
> cooperation, you may have a chance at recovering Trieste this fall. If
> this happens, you may have decent survival chances by taking sides in a
> renewed IT conflict.
An interesting ray of hope. Where, I wonder, might you have heard it?
Would Turkey be so careless as to tell you himself? He would have to trust
you a great deal. If true, he would presumably discuss it with me, but I
wouldn't pass such a thing on, nor would he need to discuss it much before
the next move deadline, more than a week away.
So, I suspect the rumor comes from someone who hasn't heard it from Turkey,
but either inferred it from something Turkey said, wishes it as something
Turkey would do, or fears it as something Turkey might do.
Supporting the last of those three bases was a grey press I received,
written somewhat in your style. It was sent to both Austria-Hungary and
Italy, and I though it was over 50-50 that it originated with Italy himself
(I figured if you sent grey press, you'd disguise the style some). It
warned that Turkey might be considering keeping Greece for himself, and
urged me to forgive the Italian stab in that case and realign myself with
Italy so that Turkey couldn't overrun us piecemeal.
If that wasn't Italy trying to pre-mend bridges, it was someone who wants
the south to resolve slowly, if at all. You, or Germany. France would
probably be delighted with a monster Turkey, which would allow throw-game
threats; besides, he was the player who needed an extension, and probably
wasn't around at the time I got the message.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> That last part may be true; I started pushing for that right after the
last
> moves, before I knew whether I'd really want it or if I just wanted to
know
> what Gal would be doing. Right now, he's said he'll support Ukr-Rum,
which
> may freeze Gal, and may cause him to leave Mos open. More likely, he's
> lying for similar reasons as I, trying to reduce the chance Ukr will grab
> Mos or Sev.
This sounds likely. I have to say, if you can talk Russia into ordering Gal
S Ukr-Rum, you're a far better diplomat than I. Right now I mostly expect
Gal-Bud, since Italy seems to support the move.
> I will order Aeg-Ion. Tri s Gal-Bud could dislodge Bud, so presumably
Italy
> is assuming you'll cover Rum. So he's expecting Bul-Rum, Gre-Bul, Ser s
> Bul-Rum, Bla-Con, Smy s Bla-Con.
Yes, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Italy's support for
Gal-Bud is the main reason I think Russia will make the move. Russia has
also requested that I use Ser to support the Bud attack, rather than
supporting Tri or protecting Rum. So there is no consensus among RTI as to
what to do with Serbia, and Ser will be supporting your attack in any case.
> I'll be ordering Aeg-Ion, Bud s Vie-Tri, Vie-Tri, and if you want to
> coordinate Ukr (because you want to order Bla-Sev, say), let me know.
> Right now, Mos is "better", because I can support Germany or you to
Russia's
> other SCs, but Sev is easier.
I've been reluctant to advise you concerning Ukr, since I really don't have
any reliable intelligence on what Russia plans. Mos would be a better
choice, if it's undefended. Certainly, it would enable you to coordinate
with Germany in StP and War. And, once my support for you is out in the
open, I'll probably be wanting to hit Sev myself, and your being in there
would complicate matters.
However, it's also possible that Mos could bounce. If I get further
intelligence on this matter, I'll let you know. I don't expect or ask that
you tell me what you plan with Ukr, except that I ask for your promise that
it won't be used against Rum. I will say that F Bla will be used to protect
either Rum or Con; it will not be attacking Sev.
> It looks like the retreat won't process until Monday, which means the Fall
> move deadline won't be before next Wednesday. But there's nothing I can
> think of that will change my mind before then.
Ok, sounds like there's still time then. I just didn't want to come back
Monday and start playing catch-up.
> I did get some grey press, suggesting that Turkey was going to betray
Italy,
> and encouraging me to forgive the stab and rejoin Italy if that happened.
> It was written in the manner of the English leader, and addressed to Italy
> and myself. If France was trying to break the deadlock, perhaps England
is
> trying to re-establish it? Or Italy was probing for allies in case you
> stabbed him? Or someone else? At any rate, my only response so far was
to
> Italy (the co-addressee), rather stiffly saying the Archduke would do
> whatever seemed best for his nation. Diplomatically, it's not too
> important, but that's the first private grey press I've gotten in the
game,
> and I'm curious about it. Do you know anything about it? Any mysterious
> grey press come to you?
This is most fascinating. No, I don't know anything about it. For one
thing, I've not told anyone I was planning to support you against Italy.
The closest I've come is speculating that I could choose this turn to order
in favor of Italy or against him, which anyone can see just from looking at
the board. In general, I've been inviting opinion about which way to go,
rather than suggesting a particular course myself. (Russia encourages me to
side with Italy, while England claims to have no opinion either way.) I
myself have not yet received any grey press.
My guess it that it's Italy trying to cover his bases. England may have
some interest in seeing the south continue a fruitless struggle, but his
best chances would be if Italy were to attack France, and it's far from
clear whether Italy intends to help France or hurt him. If the appeal was
directed at you to forgive the Italian stab if Turkey stabbed Italy, then
why address it to Italy? Except to obscure the idea that the press actually
came from Italy in the first place. He probably figures if I do attack,
then he can continue to write as the mysterious friend who really has
Austrian interests at heart.
Without seeing the press itself, it's hard to say, but that seems to be the
best fit. I'm curious, can you divulge the time-stamp on the press? I'd be
interested to see if it matches any press I might have received.
Anyway, for now I will plan on Ser S Vie-Tri, unless I hear otherwise from
you. I'll be counting on Aeg-Ion to protect Greece, and may order Gre-Alb
if it looks like Alb is supporting Tri. Also, I'm counting on Ukr not
attacking (or supporting any attack against) Rumania. Agreed?
Let's stay in touch,
Ali
Message from Austria to Turkey
> However, it's also possible that Mos could bounce. If I get further
> intelligence on this matter, I'll let you know. I don't expect or ask that
> you tell me what you plan with Ukr, except that I ask for your promise that
> it won't be used against Rum.
I promise Ukr will not be used against Rum.
> I will say that F Bla will be used to protect either Rum or Con; it will
> not be attacking Sev.
If you use it to protect Con, you'll probably want to self-bounce so that
Con remains open for the build.
>> grey press come to you?
>
> This is most fascinating. No, I don't know anything about it. For one
> thing, I've not told anyone I was planning to support you against Italy.
> The closest I've come is speculating that I could choose this turn to
> order in favor of Italy or against him, which anyone can see just from
> looking at the board. In general, I've been inviting opinion about which
> way to go, rather than suggesting a particular course myself. (Russia
> encourages me to side with Italy, while England claims to have no opinion
> either way.) I myself have not yet received any grey press.
>
> My guess it that it's Italy trying to cover his bases. England may have
> some interest in seeing the south continue a fruitless struggle, but his
> best chances would be if Italy were to attack France, and it's far from
> clear whether Italy intends to help France or hurt him. If the appeal was
> directed at you to forgive the Italian stab if Turkey stabbed Italy, then
> why address it to Italy?
To sow distrust? To make Italy defend against a stab that the writer wasn't
sure would happen, and thereby initiate the rift anyway? I have little
experience with grey press, and generally considered it worthless in a
partial-press game, but this was a very interesting use, which may cause me
to reconsider that.
> Without seeing the press itself, it's hard to say, but that seems to be the
> best fit. I'm curious, can you divulge the time-stamp on the press? I'd be
> interested to see if it matches any press I might have received.
The relevant headers:
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:33:53 -0500
From: usin@thekleimans.com
Message-Id: <200108060433.f764Xrl21629@thekleimans.com>
I received nothing else from anybody within a few hours of that either way.
Sunday night judge time is probably somebody playing from home - I don't
think we have any eastern European or Australian players in this game.
Anybody checking results from a 7-day-a-week game with standard (11:30 PM
judge time) deadlines might be on at exactly that time, however.
When I say the style matches England's, it's either from England or somebody
worked hard to make it look that way; not just sentence structure, but line
length, usage of blank lines, and signature style (it was signed by "Kiki
Cuyler") were English-looking.
Among the possibilities that crossed my mind was that Turkey sent it, to
see which of his allies, Italy and/or Austria-Hungary, mentioned it to him.
You said, however, that this was the first you heard of it, so I've now
ruled that out.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Austria
>> Turkey is toying with the idea of turning on Italy immediately.
>An interesting ray of hope. Where, I wonder, might you have heard it?
> I suspect the rumor comes from someone who hasn't heard it from Turkey,
>but either inferred it from something Turkey said, wishes it as something
>Turkey would do, or fears it as something Turkey might do.
I chose the words "toying with" carefully. I didn't invent the rumor, but
I best not say where I got the information. I believe there is truth in
it.
>Supporting the last of those three bases was a grey press I received,
>written somewhat in your style. It was sent to both Austria-Hungary and
>Italy, and I though it was over 50-50 that it originated with Italy himself
>(I figured if you sent grey press, you'd disguise the style some). It
>warned that Turkey might be considering keeping Greece for himself, and
>urged me to forgive the Italian stab in that case and realign myself with
>Italy so that Turkey couldn't overrun us piecemeal.
I didn't send this. I'm betting it was Italy!
>
>If that wasn't Italy trying to pre-mend bridges, it was someone who wants
>the south to resolve slowly, if at all. You, or Germany. France would
>probably be delighted with a monster Turkey, which would allow throw-game
>threats;
France wanted anything except the status quo, for I was slowly encroaching
on his homeland. So slowly it is driving me crazy. And now Italy is
arriving with a fleet. What do you suppose that fleet is going to do?
Ivy Wingo
Message from Austria to England
> I didn't send this. I'm betting it was Italy!
I think so. If it were you, there's no reason for it to be sent grey.
Italy, on the other hand, wouldn't want his new ally, Turkey, to know he
was trying to cover his tail already.
> France wanted anything except the status quo, for I was slowly encroaching
> on his homeland. So slowly it is driving me crazy. And now Italy is
> arriving with a fleet. What do you suppose that fleet is going to do?
Italy doesn't consult with me any more. Turkey might know.
Were I to speculate, I wouldn't be so sure that fleet might not be
headed back south. If it does go west, Italy would want to pick up
SCs, I'd think; what good does it do him to statically prop up France,
while Germany and Turkey grow fat? Of course, that was the logic that
convinced me I was safe from being stabbed, however tactically easy I
made that stab appear. Oops.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
Ralassa,
Are we agreed on Ukr-Rum, Gal S Ukr-Rum? I realize we have time,
yet, but I thought I would check in. Italy says he hopes to get Gre for
Smy, but Turkey seems undecided on whether to give it to him. You
might be able to use that as a lever against one of them.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Russia
> Are we agreed on Ukr-Rum, Gal S Ukr-Rum?
Yes. German A Sil may support A Boh-Gal, though, cutting that support.
I'm not sure what we can do about that, though.
> I realize we have time, yet, but I thought I would check in. Italy
> says he hopes to get Gre for Smy, but Turkey seems undecided on
> whether to give it to him. You might be able to use that as a lever
> against one of them.
I've been hearing that, from other powers and in grey press. But I
can't track down the rumor; I can't imagine that Turkey would tell so
many others if it were true (and if true, why not discuss it with me?)
Most likely, either Italy wants the rumors to get back to Turkey to put
presure on him *not* to double-cross, or England wants to try to split
the strong IT alliance before Italy can head west.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Austria
> Message from Austria to Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > Are we agreed on Ukr-Rum, Gal S Ukr-Rum?
>
> Yes. German A Sil may support A Boh-Gal, though, cutting that
> support. I'm not sure what we can do about that, though.
Umm, there is no German Army in Sil, at the moment, so Fredd
has no reason to order Boh-Gal this Fall.
Nick.
Message from Turkey to all
Fellow Powers of Europe,
I will be escaping the clamor of Constantinople, retreating into the hills
for a few days of meditation, reflection, and hallucination, ah, I mean,
religious instruction. I regret that our clerical staff is still working on
sorting and interpreting incoming messages, and I will do my best to address
the situation upon my return. The bureaucracy around here is horribly
inefficient, and if things don't improve, heads will roll.
Until then,
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Russia
> Umm, there is no German Army in Sil, at the moment, so Fredd
> has no reason to order Boh-Gal this Fall.
You're right, of course. Germany had offered support for Ukr-War, and I
refused without realizing he was proposing that Prussia give that support; I
had been assuming Silesia was his.
Never Mind.
Emily LaTella, guest ambassador for Austria-Hungary
Message from Russia to Austria
> Message from Austria to Russia in 'titleist':
> Never Mind.
>
> Emily LaTella, guest ambassador for Austria-Hungary
Ahh, had I known, I would have said, "Jane, you ignorant slut! There is
no German Army in Sil!" 8-)
Nick.
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
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