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Message [from Germany] to all
Ye Ha Buckeroos.
We have.
AI vs RT
and
EG vs F
Least it looks that way to me. Other opinions are welcome.
The Phantom (knows)
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
> Ye Ha Buckeroos.
> We have.
> AI vs RT
> and
> EG vs F
>
> Least it looks that way to me. Other opinions are welcome.
>
> The Phantom (knows)
OK, somebody thinks so, anyway.
I'm on no better than a guess for Warsaw/Moscow. You can pick up Sev with
either your fleet supported by Rum, or your Rum army supported by the fleet
with Bul following into Rum, or your Bul army convoyed with support from
Rum. The last two are equivalent, and I think better for both strategic and
tactical reasons. Strategically, we'd like the Black Sea fleet as few moves
from Naples as possible. Tactically, I'd like an army in Sev available to
support me into Mos; it does look like EG are going to gift Russia with
Sweden.
I did notice the proffered support for Tun-Gre. I am curious how that came
about, but I'm not particularly upset about it. If you really want to stab
me, you'll get better opportunities later :-).
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Italy
Another good season. It looks like Turkey, England, and Germany are all
willing to contribute a little to prop up Russia. That's OK; I hope the
fleet in Sweden annoys them soon. For now, I may take my guess in Russia
and support Tun-Smy (Aeg's support cannot be cut).
Did you ask Turkey for the support to Gre, or was that his idea? Either
way, you destroyed any credibility Turkey might have in seeking to ally with
me, so it certainly benefits you.
I am prepared to carry on AI vs RT, if you are. With at least 5 centers
each after the fall, versus a total of 9 at most between our opponents, one
of which is represented by the nearly-wasted Russian northern fleet, I
believe we will succeed, with RT dying by the end of 1903 and dead (except
perhaps for northern Russia) by the end of 1904.
I didn't feel I could accept an anti-Turkey plan that strengthened Russia;
the risk of getting sandwiched between Russia and Italy after Turkey fell
seeemed too high. From your point of view, a quick elimination of your
naval rival, Turkey, should free you to join in against France in time to
pick up your share (or a bit more) of the spoils there. Stabbing me, and
holding your gains after my inevitable response, would seem to leave you in
a strategically inferior position, with RT on your east and England better
positioned to take Iberia than you.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
Congratulations on your strong position. You and Austria
seem to have the kind of alliance that I was seeking.
You two will soon dominate the board. I may survive to
see you come along and finish me off :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Did you ask Turkey for the support to Gre, or was that his
> idea?
He offered it up and said he would make the order and I could take advantage
of it if I so desired. I'll admit, I took a look at the map and moved some
pieces around but it didn't take long to realize how bad of a move that
would have been for Italy.
>
> I am prepared to carry on AI vs RT, if you are.
>
Count me in. Shall we prepare a division of the spoils so that we both
agree who will get what and there won't be any surprises or conflicts down
the road.
>
> I didn't feel I could accept an anti-Turkey plan that
> strengthened Russia;
>
Completely understand. That's why I was suggesting that you should get
Rumania (Russia's only legitimate sniff at a supply center this year). I
don't want Russia to get a build any more than you do.
> From your point of view, a quick elimination of your
> naval rival, Turkey, should free you to join in against
> France in time to pick up your share (or a bit more)
> of the spoils there.
That's what I'm hoping. If I can eliminate Turkey AND gain my share of
Iberia, I'll lay odds that I'd be around for the end-game and there's really
nothing more I can ask for than that.
> Stabbing me, and holding your gains after my inevitable
> response, would seem to leave you in a strategically
> inferior position, with RT on your east and England
> better positioned to take Iberia than you.
>
You have absolutely no fear of a stab. I am not a rookie at this game. I
happen to think that I play the game fairly well and understand the
intricacies so often missed by others. I cannot reasonably defend any
center currently owned by you. All that would happen is your armies would
come roaring back home to take back what was rightfully yours to begin with
and allow RT to take up the real estate you're currently occupying. Italy
would have to be a complete fool, and trust me, I ain't no fool.
My orders are so pathetically easy this fall they are already ordered. I
will indeed be convoying to Smyrna and would appreciate your support from
the Aegean. We can't afford to allow Turkey a build this winter so I think
that's the best play. However, if you decide to make a different move, and
I can see where that is possible, please be so kind as to inform me so that
I don't waste 3/4 of my military strength this fall.
Life is Beautiful
Roberto
Message from Austria to Turkey
> My orders are so pathetically easy this fall they are already ordered. I
> will indeed be convoying to Smyrna and would appreciate your support from
> the Aegean. We can't afford to allow Turkey a build this winter so I
> think that's the best play. However, if you decide to make a different
> move, and I can see where that is possible, please be so kind as to inform
> me so that I don't waste 3/4 of my military strength this fall.
Order the convoy; I told you I'd make sure you gain an SC this year, and I
meant it. Also, I *still* would like Tyr-Boh; that convoy back to
Livonia was excellent defense by Russia, and he'll also get Sweden this
fall, I think. We will need another army on Warsaw if my guess there is
wrong, and maybe even if it's right. And that army is as useless where it
is now as Russia's northern fleet; more, since Russia's northern fleet is
about to pick up an SC for him.
Of course, if your cooperation by not moving to Boh last turn gained any
intelligence about Russian plans, I'd like to hear about it; but I can't
imagine Russia telling you anything that lets me outguess him.
Any thoughts about Turkey's next moves? The Archduke actually considered
the convoy back before the builds, and completely missed it when creating
the spring orders. So, if the Sultan relies on Russia, he can sit tight on
Rum, with Bul/Bla/Sev s Rum, and there's nothing I can do about it. But I
don't expect him to do that, because Russia might be unreliable, and because
it has no upside; he either swaps Smyrna for Rumania, if Aeg supports you,
or keeps Smy while losing Rum, if Aeg hits Bul to cut support.
More likely, I think, is one of Bul-Gre, Rum-Bul, Bla s Sev-Rum; or Bul s
Rum-Ser, Bla s Sev-Rum. What I'd like would be a move set that doesn't lose
an SC to either of these, and either gains one against at least one of these
or gives me a viable guess against Russia. Any suggestions?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to France
> Congratulations on your strong position. You and Austria
> seem to have the kind of alliance that I was seeking.
> You two will soon dominate the board. I may survive to
> see you come along and finish me off :-)
Hungary has little choice, I'm afraid, but to ally with
Austria. However, Austria-Hungary is far from dominating the
board.
Your neighborhood seems to have gotten a bit warmer; perhaps
some support into Burgundy would be more effective?
At any rate, Italy is likely to be tied up for some time,
either in attacking Turkey or in attacking Austria-Hungary.
I wish I knew which. England and Germany seem to be
foregoing their opportunities in Sweden and St. Petersburg,
which will leave them without a build. So you will have
plenty of opportunity to point out to England and/or Germany
why they shouldn't be attacking France.
Felicia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
>Hungary has little choice, I'm afraid, but to ally with
>Austria.
Thanks for the chuckle. I mistyped in my haste. I meant
to say that you and Italy are in great shape. England
choose the long hard route of trying to eliminate
me rather than more quickly eliminating Germany. Italy
probably faces a similar dilmena. Hit you before you get
too big or else work with you and clean up your end of
the board fast. You can hope that he is smarter than
England is.
>Your neighborhood seems to have gotten a bit warmer;
>perhaps some support into Burgundy would be more
>effective?
I am trying, I am trying. I gave it all the support I
could (from Picardy) in the spring. It was enough to
repel the attack. But I may never enter Burgundy. OK, I
can guarantee it if I choose to. But I may not choose
to this season. I have other concerns.
-- Prince Boar
Message [from Austria] to all
BG> Holey Rubbergundy Diploman, they bounced again!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, both Germany and France seem to be more afraid of the other occupying Burgundy than wanting to occupy it themselfs.
BG> Are there any alliances yet?
DM> There's an RT, an EG, and an AI.
BG> Oh! France has no ally?
DM> That would appear to be correct, Boy Gambit.
BG> You mentioned RT? You mean, Russia and Turkey?
DM> Correct again, Boy Gambit.
BG> But the other powers will never permit that. Everyone knows the RT alliance is far too powerful. And didn't Russia open against England?
DM> The other powers seem to be encouraging it. Look, both Saint Petersburg and Sweden were left for Russia.
BG> Wow! So the other powers are afraid of AI!
DM> I don't think so Boy Gambit. Do you have another idea?
BG> Sorry, Diploman. I just don't understand it.
DM> Consider, Boy Gambit, what happens when England and Germany attack France.
BG> Don't they win, Diploman?
DM> Indeed, Boy Gambit. But who gets the southern French centers?
BG> Oh! Italy gets most of them.
DM> Unless?
BG> Unless Italy has to fight in the East! Wow, Diploman, this game is really complicated! So England and Germany are promoting the RT alliance so
they don't have to share the spoils in France?
DM> It certainly looks that way, Boy Gambit.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Impostors Diploman, someone is trying to steal our gig!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, when you become popular there always will be copy cats. At
least they cannot duplicate our nifty outfits.
BG> I bet they even wear underwear under their leotards!
DM> Uh hum, there is no need to reveal all our secrets.
BG> They do not even know that our role is to bring the betrayers to justice!
DM> Yes, they have other motives. Turning to our responsibilities, the obvious
targets are those that appear to be the winners. England and Germany obviously
betrayed France. Although the alliance were not yet obvious so it may be hasty
to call it a betrayal.
BG> But there must have been some lies told, and we are after those dirty
scoundrels as well!
DM> Certainly. It seems likely that Italy lied to and betrayed Turkey. At
least Russia seemed to keep his word based on the support for Rumania. Austria
is always under suspicion due to his actions last year.
GB> There seems to be too many betrayers out there for us to handle alone.
Perhaps we should team up with those Copy Cats.
DM> Perhaps we will, Boy Gambit. I just hope that they are not too furry. I
have allergies.
Message from England to Austria
Dear Edna,
>France's reason isn't mysterious; he wants Russia to survive as his
>potential ally against either E or G, or both.
That was so clear. Even while courting my friendship, France was adamant
that I not harm Russia.
>I urge you to at least support Den-Swe, which certainly would promote EG
>amity,
Your wish, Edna, was my command. Germany preferred to take Sweden in the
manner that we just witnessed. If necessary, I would have assisted him in
the fall. Now it won't be necessary.
You and Italy appear to have a clear upper hand against RT. Selfishly, I
hope you run into some modest difficulty, for goodness knows it will take
quite a few moves before we can wrest a single center from France.
It is much too early to assume that EG will prevail, that AI will prevail,
and that it will be EG vs AI in the end. So much can happen. Please,
let's maintain good will between us, for one never knows when fate will mix
the deck.
Good luck.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Turkey to all
I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of betrayal,
as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria would
move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him. Over the years
I've generally been able to tell when someone is being straight with me and
when they're yanking my chain. I can usually smell a lark a mile away, let
alone a bald-faced lie. But you had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate sincerity.
And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up your
daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
The noble Turks pray to Allah for vengeance as they send another generation
of brave lads off to die in battle.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Austria
> I did notice the proffered support for Tun-Gre. I am curious how that came
> about, but I'm not particularly upset about it. If you really want to
stab
> me, you'll get better opportunities later :-).
Oh, certainly, I have no doubt I'll have untold opportunities to stab you.
Bit of sarcasm there. The truth is, I've suspected all along that your true
ally was Italy, fed by information from the Italian himself. Unfortunately
I also believed his talk of attacking you, which you probably knew about all
along anyway. You and Italy have done an admirable job of playing me and
Russia off against each other. I feel like I've been played like a violin.
I do not expect to survive long in this game. It certainly looks as if
we're headed into an AI & EG end game. My money's on you in the long run.
Just watch your back, old Roberto there can be very very convincing. I'm
sure from what I've seen already that you'll do a better job of protecting
yourself than I have.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Oh, certainly, I have no doubt I'll have untold opportunities to stab you.
> Bit of sarcasm there. The truth is, I've suspected all along that your
> true ally was Italy, fed by information from the Italian himself.
> Unfortunately I also believed his talk of attacking you, which you
> probably knew about all along anyway. You and Italy have done an
> admirable job of playing me and Russia off against each other. I feel
> like I've been played like a violin.
I was not, and am not, lying about my propensity for complexity, for
wheels-within-wheels. When you built the army, I figured it was at Italy's
behest; as Turkey in another game, I did exactly the same thing in 1901
while trying to ally with that Italy. My second-string ally, Italy, got a
serious look, as I feared you were planning to abandon our nascent alliance.
> I do not expect to survive long in this game. It certainly looks as if
> we're headed into an AI & EG end game.
If you really feel that way, why hew to a unprofitable course? I was ready
to ride AT before. Why tie your own destiny to that of Russia? Stab
Russia, build a fleet, and talk to me. The geography of the situation
should tell you where my priorities lie. Perhaps you'll be eliminated more
quickly that way, but that seems your best chance of avoiding elimination.
> My money's on you in the long run.
Mine's not. I prefer to have the best of it when I gamble.
> Just watch your back, old Roberto there can be very very convincing. I'm
> sure from what I've seen already that you'll do a better job of protecting
> yourself than I have.
Intermediate players lock themselves into alliances, and ride them all the
way. You are good enough to do better than that.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to England
> You and Italy appear to have a clear upper hand against RT. Selfishly, I
> hope you run into some modest difficulty, for goodness knows it will take
> quite a few moves before we can wrest a single center from France.
Actually, Italy and I will beat up Turkey, and when he is substantially
reduced, Italy will stab me in a move coordinated with Russia. The
elimination of Austria-Hungary and Turkey will free Italy to send his
fleets west to pick up the Iberian centers left available by France's
disintegration under the EG pressure. Russia won't have time to rebuild
his northern naval force, and will hit Germany with English help, and an
EIR draw will result. I just can't predict which of you will have the
most centers for the VG championship :-)
Actually, if it does end up as EG vs AI, you and I are the two powers
likely to have the least direct conflict.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> I was not, and am not, lying about my propensity for complexity, for
> wheels-within-wheels. When you built the army, I figured it was at
Italy's
> behest; as Turkey in another game, I did exactly the same thing in 1901
> while trying to ally with that Italy. My second-string ally, Italy, got a
> serious look, as I feared you were planning to abandon our nascent
alliance.
I started this game as I always do, by searching for an ally among my
neighbors. Russia never seemed sincere about an RT, and his moves bore that
out. You did not seem sincere either, really, but you at least agreed to
coordinate moves with me, so I had some hope. Italy seemed the most
promising of the bunch, with genuine-seeming talk of alliance, and
genuine-seeming intelligence about your "real" intentions. So I rolled the
dice, and it came up craps. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and all
that.
> If you really feel that way, why hew to a unprofitable course? I was
ready
> to ride AT before. Why tie your own destiny to that of Russia? Stab
> Russia, build a fleet, and talk to me. The geography of the situation
> should tell you where my priorities lie. Perhaps you'll be eliminated
more
> quickly that way, but that seems your best chance of avoiding elimination.
I can't honestly say I think my best chances of survival lie in continuing
to attack Russia. Certainly, if an AT were to pan out, I would support your
advances and make my own attacks against him. But to do so while under
heavy pressure from an apparently rock-solid AI flies in the face of reason.
If I did attack Russia, I would still be unable to build, since I'm sure to
lose Smyrna, or possibly Bulgaria, and likely will not hold onto Rumania.
Perhaps my best chance for survival might be as an Austrian puppet. It
would be easy for me to launch a futile attack on Serbia, resulting in my
army staying in Rumania. If you chose not to support Italy's attack on
Smyrna, I would happily build a fleet or whatever else you wanted me to do.
I could agree to play it out as an Austrian proxy, but I can't do so while
you're supporting Italy against me.
> Intermediate players lock themselves into alliances, and ride them all the
> way. You are good enough to do better than that.
Well thanks for the compliment. Indeed, I seem to have done nothing but
switch alliances so far this game; in the first turn pro-Russian, in the
second pro-Austrian and in the third pro-Italian. Maybe that's my problem.
In any case, I wouldn't say it's served me well.
The bottom line is, I don't care if Russia lives or dies. I do care if
Turkey lives or dies, and Turkey cannot survive the current AI forces
arrayed against it. If you choose not to support Italy's attack, then I'll
do whatever you ask. If not, I won't be around long to help or hinder you
either way.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Italy
Despite his broadcast congratulations to you, Turkey seems to be a bit
annoyed with you :-) He is also congratulating me on how well I helped
set him up, apparently hoping to learn just how much I did know about
the setup. I haven't answered him, really; it's embarassing to admit
how little I did know about it.
Is there anything you'd like to feed him?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
> eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to
> me that Austria would move to Aeg, in the same breath
> he asked for support for Tun-Gre.
>
Just so you know, the first two parts are true. I agreed not to move to the
EMS if he build an army and I did leak to him the probability of you moving
to the Aegean. However, he offered the support after realizing that, if you
were indeed moving your fleet, the convoy would be successful. I suspect he
was looking for a way to create AI conflict.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Turkey
> I started this game as I always do, by searching for an ally among my
> neighbors. Russia never seemed sincere about an RT, and his moves bore
> that out. You did not seem sincere either, really, but you at least
> agreed to coordinate moves with me, so I had some hope.
You had more than hope, but that's water over the dam.
> I can't honestly say I think my best chances of survival lie in continuing
> to attack Russia. Certainly, if an AT were to pan out, I would support
> your advances and make my own attacks against him. But to do so while
> under heavy pressure from an apparently rock-solid AI flies in the face of
> reason. If I did attack Russia, I would still be unable to build, since
> I'm sure to lose Smyrna, or possibly Bulgaria, and likely will not hold
> onto Rumania.
I can't discuss my own moves, but if you evinced an interest in this and
trusted me enough to disclose your own moves, I might be able to find a
response that was safe if you were lying and didn't weaken you much if you
were telling the truth.
As for builds, if you order Bla s Rum-Sev, Bul H, Smy H, the worst that
could happen would be that Smy is disbanded in retreat and you get a fleet
build in Con. I was careless in my original suggestion in not pointing out
that you might need to disband a retreated army to get the build.
More later, got to run...
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Despite his broadcast congratulations to you, Turkey seems to be a bit
> annoyed with you :-)
>
No, really? I'm shocked.
>
> Is there anything you'd like to feed him?
>
Not really. Feel free to tell him the truth. I have nothing to hide.
Roberto
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from Turkey in 'titleist':
> I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of
betrayal,
> as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
> some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
> shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
> eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria
would
> move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
> leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
> No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him.
While this might be interpreted as criticizm of the St. Petersburg
Pravda's
report of Archduke Ferdinand's breaking of the Galician DMZ, let me assure
the leaders of Europe that after intense questioning, the Foreign Ministry
official who leaked the treaty to "Pravda" indicated that he did so, not
because
he was distressed by Austria-Hungary's betrayal of trust, but rather because
he was disgusted by the lame and obviously insincere manner in which the
Austrian Ambassador attempted to claim that move was necessary for
Austrian self-defense.
> And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up
your
> daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Could somebody hand me a broom? 8-)
Nick.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 16 Results:
German Jens Voight outmuscled and outdueled Australian
Brad McGee for a win today, adding a stage win to Credit
Agricole's excellent Tour so far. It looks like I picked
the wrong French team. Morceau (the winner of the
prologue) had dropped out. No one receives points in our
game.
The overall standings near the top did not change. There
was a late crash in the pack that knocked five riders out
of the race with injuries. How disappointing to make it
so far and then not finish due to an injury. They can
sit at the side lines and dream of what could have been.
It looks like Armstrong will win the Tour. Therefore it
seems almost certain that England will win our little
game. The Dauphin is currently planning where to take
his sister. His first priority, get some decent food in
her. She must be tired of that English rot. Then some
wine. Then some more wine .....
Is this English win in our game a prelude to a bigger
win? Time will tell.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Ali:
>No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate
>him. You had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
>hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate
>sincerity.
I feel your pain. Ivy can give him a run for his money
in that department. Perhaps they can form a club. Then
they can play Turkey and France next game and we can all
gang up on them :-)
>the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Don't you mean the JuggerNOT. :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Austria to Turkey
Continuing where I left off...
> Perhaps my best chance for survival might be as an Austrian puppet. It
> would be easy for me to launch a futile attack on Serbia, resulting in my
> army staying in Rumania. If you chose not to support Italy's attack on
> Smyrna, I would happily build a fleet or whatever else you wanted me to do.
> I could agree to play it out as an Austrian proxy, but I can't do so while
> you're supporting Italy against me.
You're also too good a player to be a permanent puppet. Right now I believe
AI has a slight advantage against RT, and I can't ease off without losing
that advantage. My suggestions, that you grab Sev, and dump that extra army
and turn it into a fleet, would reduce my risk and allow me more
flexibility. That flexibility may be what we need to rearrange alliances
next year.
Furthermore, both changing an army to a fleet and getting rid of the
Russian fleet behind you are sound defensive moves anyway. Against the two
fleets attacking you, a single fleet is pretty helpless. And the Russian
fleet behind you can't really help much, and is always a threat to stab if
you begin to succeed against AI. I doubt the Russian has forgotten the
Fall 1901 Bul-Rum that hurt him so badly; while he may be allied with you
because it's better than nothing, I don't think he's very happy about doing
so.
> Well thanks for the compliment. Indeed, I seem to have done nothing but
> switch alliances so far this game; in the first turn pro-Russian, in the
> second pro-Austrian and in the third pro-Italian. Maybe that's my problem.
> In any case, I wouldn't say it's served me well.
The first switch was fine. The second one wasn't; you walked into a trap,
there was no alliance for you to switch into.
> The bottom line is, I don't care if Russia lives or dies. I do care if
> Turkey lives or dies, and Turkey cannot survive the current AI forces
> arrayed against it. If you choose not to support Italy's attack, then I'll
> do whatever you ask. If not, I won't be around long to help or hinder you
> either way.
Turkey is pretty tough. If you want an alternative to the slow
dismemberment that will probably result from your RT participation, I
suggest cannibalism :-). Take a chomp out of Russia; he can't bite back
anyway, and I still prefer AT to AI, especially when it's AT vs I rather
than AT versus IR.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Italy
> Not really. Feel free to tell him the truth. I have nothing to hide.
I'm telling him a mix of truth and spin. No interesting response yet, I'm
afraid.
Did I miss a response about Tyrolia? I had asked for Tyr-Boh.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> Did I miss a response about Tyrolia? I had asked for Tyr-Boh.
Yes. I will re-send tomorrow when I have access to my 'Sent Items'.
France is requesting Tyr-Mun to help him reach Burgundy (or prevent Germany
from getting there). I'm currently considering that move as well.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
Here is a copy of a message I previously sent you prior to the spring
adjudication.
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy notice: titleist
>
> :: Judge: USIN Game: Titleist Variant: Standard Gunboat
> :: Deadline: S1902M Tue Jul 24 2001 23:30:00 -0500
>
> Message sent to Austria:
>
> Message from Italy to Austria in 'titleist':
>
> > But I would still prefer the army to move to Boh, so that I don't
> > have to consider my vulnerability to a stab which includes Tyr-Tri
> > in the fall.
>
> Russia has told me flat out that if I move to Bohemia, any
> deal involving
> AIR against Turkey would be out of the question. I'd prefer
> to hold in
> Tyrolia until progress has been made on Turkey.
>
> I have no doubts that taking Warsaw from Russia will be a
> simple exercise in
> tactics whenever we decide to make that move.
>
> I'll be much more comfortable moving the army north once I
> have another
> fleet in hand to defend against anything France might have in
> mind and we're
> well on our way to finishing off Turkey.
>
> I understand your analysis and definitely reconsidered the
> move but I think
> it best for Italy to hold Tyrolia at this point. I'm glad to
> hear that it
> will not jeapordize our alliance because I think we have the
> best shot at
> making progress than anybody else. I might be proven wrong
> here shortly,
> but that's what I would think as a side observer just looking at
> the map for the
> first time.
>
> Life is Beautiful,
>
> Roberto
>
> End of message.
>
Message from Italy to Austria
Just so you know, everybody but FG are asking me to stab you (and I suspect
England speaks for Germany as well - I wouldn't expect Germany to directly
ask me to stab you). To calm any fears you may have, it's not going to
happen. I could write a novel as to why but that would simply be wasting my
time to write it and your time to read it.
I do want to make it clear though that I fully expect Tun-Smy to succeed
this fall. My shipbuilders have been hard at work this past year and they
tell me the newest fleet is ready to be commissioned. They are preparing a
big party. And you know how unruly and irrational Italians can get when
their anticipated party is delayed.
In addition, Russia has queried me as to Austrian intentions this fall. Of
course, I don't know anything so I can't tell him anything unless, of
course, you'd like me to pass along some 'juicy information' that may or may
not be accurate.
Needless to say, RT intentions are a state secret. They do appear to have
several options at their disposal. Let me know if you care to discuss
possible moves and counter-moves.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Italy
> In addition, Russia has queried me as to Austrian intentions this fall.
> Of course, I don't know anything so I can't tell him anything unless, of
> course, you'd like me to pass along some 'juicy information' that may or
> may not be accurate.
I can't think of anything to pass on.
If I were sure of Bla s Sev-Rum, I could get cute, with Bud s Sev-Rum.
Unwanted support that does more than ruin a self-bounce.
Do you have any suggestions or particular moves you'd like, besides Aeg s
Tun-Smy?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> I can't think of anything to pass on.
>
Didn't think so. Like he'd believe me anyway.
> If I were sure of Bla s Sev-Rum, I could get cute, with Bud s Sev-Rum.
> Unwanted support that does more than ruin a self-bounce.
>
That would be an interesting situation although I would think the above move
would be accompanied by Bul s Rum-Ser in which case Serbia would be
dislodged.
> Do you have any suggestions or particular moves you'd like,
> besides Aeg s Tun-Smy?
>
I can't see one set of moves that is better than another. There are a lot
of possibilities and it's a matter of 'out-guessing' the opponent. I wish
you luck my friend.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
Italy wanted to me to ask you to support his convoy to
Smyrna. I suspect he was joking in that I could either
have
any influence over you or that you would consider doing
otherwise.
I actually would not mind Italy building. I may need
help defending my homeland and an extra fleet would be
handy.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Austria and Italy
Ms. Felicia and Roberto
CC: Austrian Ambassador to Italy
I would like to formally apply to join your alliance. It
seems the best thing going around here. Here are my
qualifications:
* I am a lot of fun
* I communicate often
* I am reliable
* I am willing to discuss and work out agreed upon plans,
not try to force my own
* I happen to have access to the other side of both
stalemate lines you need to cross in Germany and into the
Atlantic
* I am the thing that is holding back your rival
alliance in England and Germany
My only request is that you keep me alive and that you
allow me the satisfaction of extracting revenge.
I realize that we will need to wait until after this move
to finalize an agreement. I just want to submit this
application
as soon as possible.
I really look forward to working with you guys. I hear
that A&I is a great place to work and grow a career as a
puppet and vigilante.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 17 Results:
Aside from a stab by the Germans (Jan Ullrich's team runs
over lance Armstong) it is apparent that England will win
out TdF game. Barring injury, Lance Armstrong will
certainly hold on to the Yellow Jersey. The only
interesting
battle is for the Green Jersey (sprinters points).
O'Grady leads Zabel by 11 points, but has lost a point
each day.
They are awarded based on the first so many riders to
cross the finish line and at some intermediate places.
That
race may come down to the final sprint into Paris.
Serge Baguet won today's stage. No points were awarded
in our game.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message [from Austria] to all
While I was one of those who received a "late" notice, my orders are in.
If I have an error flag, this message is to clear it.
Message from Russia to Austria
Ralassa,
What's the matter, Ferdie decide which Centres
to attack and which to defend? It's pretty much a
coin-toss, really, don't you think?
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Russia
It's nice to hear from you again. I hope your family is much improved.
I do not doubt we will be talking more after the turn processes.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis → Smyrna
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Warsaw (*dislodged*)
Austria: Army Serbia HOLD
Austria: Army Ukraine → Warsaw
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Irish Sea
England: Fleet London SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway → Norwegian Sea
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Gascony SUPPORT Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Picardy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel → Munich
Germany: Army Munich → Bohemia
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tunis → Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Livonia → Moscow
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol SUPPORT Turkish Army Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Russian Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Army Smyrna HOLD (*dislodged*)
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