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Message from Italy to Austria
Let me know if you need/want support into Greece. We'd have to be careful
about a retreat to Albania though.
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> You were/are facing Italian aggression, not AI aggression.
You can't be serious! Correct me if I'm wrong here...
> Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis -> Smyrna.
If that isn't AI aggression against Turkey, what is?!?
> Smyrna is of course your home center, and would be yours in any AT
alliance.
I should hope so.
> But the eternal question of who stabs their ally first, who walks the
> tightrope without a net, is not easy to answer. The Archduke believes it
> should be you, because you have both the most to gain and the least to
lose.
When it comes to gaining and losing, my only concern is to regain my home
center. Once the home centers are lost, everything is lost. Beyond that,
I'll stick with whoever sticks with me. I'm simply trying to hang on here;
stabbing anyone isn't even in it.
> Your grab of Sev will gain you a build, and Russia is neither vital to
your
> defense nor able to greatly harm you. Your defensive lines are
> well-constructed, and will not fall to a simple assault, and in fact as
part
> of an AT alliance, would be impervious once the Russian fleet is
destroyed.
My defensive lines are in a shambles. I have no way to support my current
holdings, and no way to recover my home center. In the face of continued AI
aggression, I'm in the position of simply trying to hang on. I'll admit Sev
is tempting; but it gains me nothing to rob from Peter to pay Paul.
Especially when Paul is the one who's attacking me.
> Austria, on the other hand, is incapable of taking an Italian center and
> vulnerable to not only Italy and Russia but also Germany.
Well then perhaps it's a good time to get serious about alliance with
Turkey? Trade Greece for Smyrna? That would represent a net gain for
Austria, a loss for Italy, and a wash for Turkey. But in any case, we'd
both be better off.
> Is there any hope available that we can resume our stillborn cooperation?
Absolutely. It's all up to you. As I said, all you have to do is support
Ank-Smy, and you can name your terms. You can have Greece back, I'll attack
Russia and build fleets to attack Italy. If, however, you continue to
support Italy while attacking me in Gre/Bul/Rum, then AT cooperation will be
quite impossible.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Italy
> Let me know if you need/want support into Greece. We'd have to be careful
> about a retreat to Albania though.
I was actually thinking Ion-Alb in the spring, and then go after Greece in
the fall. It might even be best if you yourself end up with Greece, but we
don't have to decide that yet.
If Turkey is likely to passively support Con, we can put enourmous pressure
on with Smy-Arm, Aeg s Eas-Smy. He's more likely to use Ank s Con-Smy. We
could try to take advantage of that with Smy-Arm, Aeg-Con, Eas-Aeg.
I would like to get at least a guess for a build. Either Germany or Russia
is likely to pick up Warsaw, so I may exit voluntarily in the spring so that
I have more options in the fall.
Do you have any other suggestions?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Turkey
>> You were/are facing Italian aggression, not AI aggression.
>
> You can't be serious! Correct me if I'm wrong here...
>
>> Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis -> Smyrna.
>
> If that isn't AI aggression against Turkey, what is?!?
That was an attempt to convert the Smy army into a fleet.
Note that I didn't quote back to you your Bulgarian support of an
Italian assault on Greece. If you want to argue about who is more
wronged, we can do that, but I'd rather discuss how we can change
direction in favor of cooperation.
> When it comes to gaining and losing, my only concern is to regain my home
> center. Once the home centers are lost, everything is lost. Beyond that,
> I'll stick with whoever sticks with me. I'm simply trying to hang on here;
> stabbing anyone isn't even in it.
Italy is in your home center. The only Austrian move which is even
remotely anti-Turkey was the support you quoted above, and that move and
its desired outcome (turn the useless army into a fleet) were described
ahead of time.
> My defensive lines are in a shambles. I have no way to support my
> current holdings, and no way to recover my home center. In the face
> of continued AI aggression, I'm in the position of simply trying to
> hang on. I'll admit Sev is tempting; but it gains me nothing to rob
> from Peter to pay Paul. Especially when Paul is the one who's
> attacking me.
If you insist on fighting two enemies, you'll probably achieve that. Is
that your wisest course?
> Well then perhaps it's a good time to get serious about alliance with
> Turkey? Trade Greece for Smyrna? That would represent a net gain for
> Austria, a loss for Italy, and a wash for Turkey. But in any case, we'd
> both be better off.
You won't be able to hold Greece, and you can't take Smyrna back without
my help. Without your help, I end up chopped up by Germany and Italy.
Yes, we'd both be better off. But I cannot gain by acting against Italy
while Russia is concentrating on killing me. I need Russia crippled,
and only you are in position to do that.
> Absolutely. It's all up to you. As I said, all you have to do is
> support Ank-Smy, and you can name your terms. You can have Greece
> back, I'll attack Russia and build fleets to attack Italy. If,
> however, you continue to support Italy while attacking me in
> Gre/Bul/Rum, then AT cooperation will be quite impossible.
Impasse, then. We had a good chance to turn Smy into a fleet last turn,
but you chose not to. You took one of my centers, I didn't even attack
any of yours, and indeed left Rumania alone so that you could pick up
Sev without giving up Rum. You prefer to sink with your RT alliance
rather than accept the perfectly seaworthy lifeboat I'm offering you.
I regret your decision, and will eagerly watch the results for evidence
you've changed your mind. I think that if things continue as they are
going, Austria-Hungary will be eliminated no later than two years after
Turkey. But I'm not willing to make that two years before Turkey, which
seems to be your goal.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Italy
I tried to get Turkey to stab Russia, claiming I was afraid of you and was
hoping for his help. No luck at all.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to all
Spring 1903 Symposium on Philosophy, Europe and
Everything.
- by Prince Xavier Boar
[This is Stuart Scott here. Trey Wingo lost this job
because of his relationship to Ivy Wingo. It is not wise
to be related to someone who betrays the Dauphin. He got
the Axe, had a date with Mr. Guillotine, you get the
picture. After carefully consulting my family tree, and
knowing that I am not related to any of the leaders in
Europe, I accepted this job. I could not resists after
reading all Trey's postcards describing the beautiful
babes.]
[Well it is time to play the uncensored parts of Prince
Boar's speech and add my witty commentary.]
My dear French people, as you all know, things have not
gone well for France. We are under attack from both our
Northern and Eastern Borders. For now the South appears
to be safe, but the Italians may be mustering for war as
well. Our sources tell us of their expanding navy. But
I implore you to keep your hope. The Dauphin and I will
do all that we can to make certain that our betrayers do
not benefit from their treachery.
We shall Protect in Paris, and Battle in Burgundy. We
will Punish in Picardy and berate in Brest. We shall
Garrison in Gascony, Beset in Belgium, Ravage in Ruhr,
Malign in Munich, and Maul in Marseilles. We will
Persecute in Portugal and Skirmish in Spain. Our Navies
will Maraude in the Mid-Atlantic Ocean, Nip at the North
Atlantic Ocean, Invade the Irish Sea, and Engage in the
English Channel. Our people shall never give up!
[Quite the big talker and a guy who knows how to use a
Thesaurus. Perhaps he can toss it at Frederick when he
arrives in Paris at the head of his armies. Next he gets
into some private French strategy, if you call looking up
nasty words that start with the letter 'I' a strategy. I
assure you that no one discussed the color of the
Dauphin's underwear this time. But the rumor has it that
the Dauphin sent a pair of Hot Pink ones with Bats and
Mediterranean Blue with Speckled Eggs to Diploman and Boy
Gambit respectively.]
Philosophy
A neighbor has suggested that France is being attacked
because we were too likeable. That we should have
purposely been less likeable to not make ourselves a
target. The irony is that this neighbor is more likeable
than we are. But it is an interesting philosophy
nevertheless. It is a philosophy, however, that I must
reject. Instead I choose to follow the personal
philosophy of the great Marcus Aurelius. He is a man of
my own heart in that he was both a Caesar of Roman and a
wise stoic philosopher. To him, the wise man "will not
go against the divinity that is planted in his breast;
but rather he will preserve his deepest inner self in
tranquillity. He will, above all, preserve his own
autonomy and integrity, and not let anything alienate him
from himself". Words that I can live by. If I fail
France by being who I am, then I must apologize. But I
shall not fail myself by being myself.
[He may not fail himself, but we wonder if he is full of
himself. He is deluding himself that he is likeable. He
can't seem to convince a soul to do the simplest things.
Maybe we should get that Sport Center Advertisement team
over here to work on his image.]
[Well, thankfully that is all folk. Until next year.
Stuart]
Message from Germany to Austria
Grace:
> Austria-Hungary has its own discomfort with the Italian army in
> Tyrolia, but with your army in Bohemia, the Italian army becomes
> more useful than not.
Although if that Italian army hadn't been in TYR, there wouldn't be a
German army in BOH right now.
>
> Russia will presumably remove his northern fleet this winter.
> That allows you to take StP by force: Bal-Lvn, Swe-Bot in the
> spring. If you also move Ber-Pru, Boh-Sil, you will surely reap
> the northern Russian centers, including Warsaw which is currently
> enjoying its recent liberation by
> Austro-Hungarian troops. Can you discuss whether these moves are
> in your plans?
I reached the same conclusion. Great minds must thing alike. Now if only
great minds would think correctly....
At one point before the last turn I was set to move MUN-SIL then, and
add BER-PRU in the next turn. That could still happen, but it's
unlikely. I have to compensate for F A BUR and I A TYR. BOH will have to
stay close for the moment.
I really must admit that I fail to understand the reason to resist the
idea of retreating TYR. I've said twice that I won't go in. I've got
France and northern Russia to worry about. Italy has Turkey. You have
Turkey and southern Russia to game with. We shouldn't be wasting time
and effort against each other, yet. After Russia and France are gone
would be the time for that. ;-)
Fredd
Message from Austria to Germany
> Although if that Italian army hadn't been in TYR, there wouldn't be a
> German army in BOH right now.
Were the choice available to me, I would like both armies to evaporate.
Within more realistic constraints, no such happiness is likely to occur,
and I have to work within the possibilities.
> I reached the same conclusion. Great minds must thing alike. Now if
> only great minds would think correctly.... At one point before the
> last turn I was set to move MUN-SIL then, and add BER-PRU in the next
> turn. That could still happen, but it's unlikely. I have to
> compensate for F A BUR and I A TYR.
Why? Surely Ruh s Mun is a sturdy defense against those particular
units. If maintaining that defense reduces the aid you can render to
Lord Wingo, I expect he'll understand that you can't risk your home
centers to ensure his rapid gains. And if your gains are no slower than
his, doesn't such balance strengthen, rather than weaken, your alliance?
> I really must admit that I fail to understand the reason to resist the
> idea of retreating TYR.
Tyr is not mine to retreat, nor has it yet been dislodged. And I fear
that if it is dislodged, the retreat could too easily be into Trieste,
which would be a shame.
> I've said twice that I won't go in. I've got France and northern
> Russia to worry about. Italy has Turkey. You have Turkey and southern
> Russia to game with. We shouldn't be wasting time and effort against
> each other, yet. After Russia and France are gone would be the time
> for that. ;-)
I absolutely agree. Certainly a timely Tyr-Pie-Mar could be a welcome
sight for your eyes. I doubt Italy will follow that course, however, at
the risk of German troops marching in his wide-open Tyrolean doorway.
It would be nice to be able to work with you. But the Viennese feel
quite threatened by the army wintering in Bohemia, and can be expected
to block any possibility of close cooperation until it withdraws.
I'm sure you noticed that the Turkish build was yet another army. If
Russia, France, and Austria are the first three nations eliminated,
which one will be fourth? Can you defend Russian and Austrian holdings,
without creating an irresistable stab target for England?
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
I have not heard from you in so long. Perhaps you are
busy dealing with the south. The German move to Bohemia
must have been annoying for you. I was a bit
disappointed as well. I wanted you and Italy to finish
off Turkey and Russia quickly. Oh well, I will just have
to fight harder.
Since Germany has slapped his gauntlet across your face,
perhaps you should make peace with Russia and repay
Germany for that insult? If you happened to be in
Silesia, I bet that you could talk Italy and I into
support for Munich.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Have you made a decision regarding Sil and Boh? The
deadline approaches.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Underoos Diploman. What a nice gift from the Dauphin!
DM> Yes it was. I will wear mine tonight, after I take off my costume. I do
hope that France is not trying to buy us with this gift.
BG> Absolutely Diploman. We must remain impartial observers in our vigil to
bring the betrayers to justice!
DM> Speaking of which, the alliances stayed pretty steady this season.
BG> I agree. Next year could be more interesting though. Say, do you want to
go model our new undies?
DM> Sure, why not. Let's get out of here.
Message from Italy to Austria and Russia
>
> Have you made a decision regarding Sil and Boh? The
> deadline approaches.
>
I can see a great advantage in coordinating an attack to potentially destroy
the Bohemian army or, at the very least, force it to retreat. The question
arises is, who moves and who supports? I can understand Russia not wanting
to move further from his home centers. I can understand Austria not wanting
to leave a home center vacate especially given the fact that Budapest can be
attacked. I'm a bit reluctant to make the move fearing Mun-Tyr thus leaving
Venice undefended.
Bottom line is, I believe, no decision has been reached but Tyrolia is
available to support an attack against Bohemia if either of you so choose to
make the move.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Have you made a decision regarding Sil and Boh? The
> deadline approaches.
>
How do we want to handle this situation. Mutually supporting each other
sounds a bit passive but it actually might be the best approach. You have
more at stake than I do so I'll go along with whatever you think is best.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
>Message from Italy to Austria and Russia in 'titleist':
>Tyrolia is available to support an attack against Bohemia
Galicia is available to support War-Sil, (or Vie-Boh,
I suppose, but War-Sil makes more sense, if only one of
these moves is going to be made). Given that I would not
be in Gal, if Austria had not occupied Warsaw, I will not
move foward until the Archduke leaves Warsaw, but once
that occurs, I will happily attack Germany.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
Sorry, I didn't mean to hit a nerve or piss you off there. The bottom line
is, we're both in a bit of a tough spot, and we could both help each other
out. My concerns are the AI fleets off my shores and the Italian army in my
home center. Your concern is RT pressure against your own home center and
in the Balkans.
My attacking Sevastopol would solve your problems, and would make Turkey
stronger overall. But I must have at least something from you, to alleviate
my above-listed concerns, before I can go through with it. Obviously, my
preference is for Aeg S Ank-Smy. Failing that, though, if you would at
least withdraw your fleet from Aeg (and no I don't mean to Bul), then it
would be a step in the right direction.
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Italy
> How do we want to handle this situation. Mutually supporting each other
> sounds a bit passive but it actually might be the best approach. You have
> more at stake than I do so I'll go along with whatever you think is best.
I don't want to tell Russia that Vie won't be supporting Bud. As far as I
can tell, T and R are still jointly attacking me.
If I tell Russia that Vie *is* supporting Bud, then if Germany is willing to
cooperate with him, he can order Boh-Vie to cut that support.
I expect I'll be making a collection of support-cutting moves, such as
Ser-Rum, Bud-Rum, etc, trying to not lose any centers and then pick up
Greece in the fall.
Do you have any other suggestions?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> As far as I can tell, T and R are still jointly attacking me.
>
I think that is a safe assumption.
> If I tell Russia that Vie *is* supporting Bud, then if
> Germany is willing to cooperate with him, he can order
> Boh-Vie to cut that support.
>
I guess what I need to know is, will Vienna be holding/supporting. If so,
I'd order Tyr s Vie. If not, would Tyr-Boh be of assistance?
> I expect I'll be making a collection of support-cutting moves, such as
> Ser-Rum, Bud-Rum, etc, trying to not lose any centers and then pick up
> Greece in the fall.
>
> Do you have any other suggestions?
>
Not really. Now is not the time to sit around and try to issue support
orders.
I don't think we ever got around to finalizing orders in and around Turkey.
I'm intrigued by Smy-Arm with Eas-Smy support from Aegean but if you think
Turkey will order Con-Smy then the best counter to that would be Aeg-Con
support from Smyrna.
Currently, my orders are:
ion-alb
smy - arm
eas - smy
tyr s vie
Please confirm or adjust as needed.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Italy
> I don't think we ever got around to finalizing orders in and around Turkey.
> I'm intrigued by Smy-Arm with Eas-Smy support from Aegean but if you think
> Turkey will order Con-Smy then the best counter to that would be Aeg-Con
> support from Smyrna.
>
> Currently, my orders are:
>
> ion-alb
> smy - arm
> eas - smy
> tyr s vie
Aeg will support Eas-Smy, but Vie will be moving. Tyr-Boh might be
helpful.
Nap-Ion or Nap-TyS probably depends on how much help France has asked for,
but if it's a tossup, Nap-Ion will ease the recovery of Greece.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Aeg will support Eas-Smy, but Vie will be moving. Tyr-Boh might be
> helpful.
>
Thanks, orders have been modified.
> Nap-Ion or Nap-TyS probably depends on how much help
> France has asked for, but if it's a tossup, Nap-Ion
> will ease the recovery of Greece.
>
He's asked for a lot including Tyr-Mun. I think it's prudent to move the
fleet that way though so unless it's absolutely critical to the recovery of
Greece, I'm going to order Nap-Tys.
Roberto
Message from France to all
It is too bad that we did not get the results in last
night. I must leave on a trip in a couple of hours. I
will be gone through next weekend. I was hoping to see
what evil was done (to me an others). We were doing so
well with meeting the deadlines :-)
I am not the person late, therefore my absence will not
hold up processing this set of moves. I asked Doug to
advance the deadline for the next set of moves that I
have orders due. If for some reasons you feel that you
must talk to either Prince Boar or the Dauphin during a
retreat phase (if one occurs) and I do not have a
retreat, then you will have to work that out with Doug.
Regards,
France
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna (*void*)
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet London → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Brest → English Channel (*dislodged*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Belgium
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Sweden → Gulf of Bothnia
Germany: Army Berlin → Prussia
Germany: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Munich
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Bohemia
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT English Army Belgium
Germany: Fleet Sweden → Gulf of Bothnia
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean CONVOY Army Smyrna → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Smyrna → Albania
Italy: Fleet Naples → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Army Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea → Albania
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Trieste
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Livonia
Russia: Army Moscow → Warsaw
Turkey: Army Ankara → Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Greece SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia
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