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Message from Italy to Turkey
Greetings. Seems that you and Russia have a pretty good thing going. So
much so that you've let him continue to occupy the Black Sea with nothing
guarding Ankara.
Hope it works out for you. Well, I hope it works out for you for your
sake. For my sake, maybe I hope he stabs :-)
Message from Austria to Turkey
>
> email me when you get back to town and have time to talk.
>
will do
Message from Italy to Turkey
> if you have a better offer, that is plausible in that it helps both me and you
> out, let me know.
Well, in your current position, I don't see how you can do anything but
attack me - do you?
Message from Turkey to Italy
Italy,
>
>
>> if you have a better offer, that is plausible in that it helps
>>both me and you
>> out, let me know.
>
>Well, in your current position, I don't see how you can do anything but
>attack me - do you?
Is this a trick question? I can take a center from Austria and
Russia this turn, but none from you.
///you aren't very good at negiating are you?
Turkey
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Is this a trick question? I can take a center from Austria and
> Russia this turn, but none from you.
No - not a trick.
>
> ///you aren't very good at negiating are you?
Guess not.
I guess I've been trying to work with you several times now, proposing
different plans, but nothing has worked out, and it doesn't seem like the
situation has changed.
But, let's start over. Hi, I'm Luigi. You have been dealing with my
brother Mario, but he has been sacked due to general incompetence. I hope
that you and I can start a new avenue of Italo-Turkish cooperation.
It seems that Russia is poised to run away with this game. An RT alliance
can be fairly equal, but when Russia has such a dominant force in the
north, he can easily run away with the game. There's a reason that Russia
solos more than any other country. And especially since EFG are in such a
conundrum in the north. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up a
center a year or so. And in the meantime, he makes you do the brunt of
the work in the south. So he gains easily while you struggle for your
fair share. And when you do finally crack Ion and start moving into the
Western Med, it's very easy for him to just swoop south and pick up 18.
Or with enough succes in the north, he doesn't even NEED to stab you to
solo, just make sure you can't come further north than the Balkans.
So, tactically, what about Rum-Sev, Aeg-Con, with Eas and Gre defending
your waters however you feel best (Eas-Aeg, Gre-Aeg? Eas-Aeg, Bul S Gre?
etc.) Then, build F Ank, force the Black Sea and go from there.
Thoughts?
The new ambassador to th eTurkish Sultante,
Luigi
Message from Russia to Turkey
> Let me look at the "Stab Austria" option, and get back to you
Ok, I think I'm coming down with the flu, so my brain isn't functioning in
top form, but let's see:
Aeg S Gre, Gre S EMed-Ion, holds Greece, gaining you one.
Bul S Rum-Ser, Gal-Bud, takes Serbia, gaining you two.
Boh-Vie, Bla-Rum gains me one or two, depending on whether
Austria defends Vienna or attack Rumania. If I take Rumania,
that drops you back to one build, but you get the added security
of my Fleet being in Rum, rather than Bla. Austria will be
reduced to two or three Centers, and A Ser will be destroyed.
From there I could take Bud next Spring, and support you into
Tri next Fall. In my somewhat befuddled state, it seems like
the way to go, but I don't want to make a final decision until
my head clears. Do you see anything I've overlooked, or any
problems down the road, if we go this way?
Nicky.
Message from Turkey to Russia
>Ok, I think I'm coming down with the flu, so my brain isn't functioning in
>top form, but let's see:
>Aeg S Gre, Gre S EMed-Ion, holds Greece, gaining you one.
i think that is the best approach with those units...i'll order them now.
>Bul S Rum-Ser, Gal-Bud, takes Serbia, gaining you two.
>Boh-Vie, Bla-Rum gains me one or two, depending on whether
>Austria defends Vienna or attack Rumania. If I take Rumania,
>that drops you back to one build, but you get the added security
>of my Fleet being in Rum, rather than Bla.
that would be good...and then you have the security of not worrying
about rum-sev...and THEN would you be willing to dmz BLA?
>Austria will be
>reduced to two or three Centers, and A Ser will be destroyed.
>From there I could take Bud next Spring, and support you into
>Tri next Fall. In my somewhat befuddled state, it seems like
>the way to go,
it looks good..what do you think Italy will do? and what do you
think we tell Austria? I would rather we negotiate hard with Astria
so he doesn't get suspicious.
> but I don't want to make a final decision until
>my head clears. Do you see anything I've overlooked, or any
>problems down the road, if we go this way?
I don't see anything you've overlooked, I think i came up with about
the same idea..i do like the destruction of Serbia.
Message from Turkey to Italy
OK, now we are talking.
If I take GRE and SEV this turn, I would be able to build in CON and ANK
However, I think it unwise to build TWO fleets there to destroy russia.
what then would you get out of this (besides me not heading your
way?)...I don't see Austria lasting too long under this scenario.
Message from Italy to Turkey
> If I take GRE and SEV this turn, I would be able to build in CON and ANK
>
> However, I think it unwise to build TWO fleets there to destroy russia.
Well, what if you moved Aeg-Con and built F Ank, A Smy? That would let
you force the Black Sea while moving Smy-Arm.
> what then would you get out of this (besides me not heading your
> way?)...I don't see Austria lasting too long under this scenario.
Well pretty much you not heading my way is enough. If you could cut some
supports in Ser then I could maybe retake Trieste. I agree Austria is not
long for this world.
Maybe Tri, Vie, Bud for me and Ser, Rum, Bul, Sev for you, with possible
adjustments based on our gains in other parts of the world?
Luigi
Message from Turkey to Italy
Italy,
> > If I take GRE and SEV this turn, I would be able to build in CON and ANK
>>
>> However, I think it unwise to build TWO fleets there to destroy russia.
>
>Well, what if you moved Aeg-Con and built F Ank, A Smy? That would let
>you force the Black Sea while moving Smy-Arm.
That would work if it was clear that you wouldn't be posing a threat
to me with your fleets...but that is down the road(I'm not good at
thinking way far in advance (or too lazy)....
>
>> what then would you get out of this (besides me not heading your
>> way?)...I don't see Austria lasting too long under this scenario.
>
>Well pretty much you not heading my way is enough. If you could cut some
>supports in Ser
this might not be the best thing for me to do? Because if I piss of
both Austria and russia..that isn't good. A better solution would be
to get Russia to cause you to get Trieste.....
>then I could maybe retake Trieste. I agree Austria is not
>long for this world.
>
>Maybe Tri, Vie, Bud for me and Ser, Rum, Bul, Sev for you, with possible
>adjustments based on our gains in other parts of the world?
that makes sense.
Turkey
Message from England to all
Hello, all, and sorry for the silence - I'm just now home from being stuck in Florida b/c of the storm. I'll respond to press later today.
Thanks,
Message from Italy to Turkey
> That would work if it was clear that you wouldn't be posing a threat
> to me with your fleets...but that is down the road(I'm not good at
> thinking way far in advance (or too lazy)....
Well, my fleets have somewhere to go (west against France). Your excess
fleets wouldn't have very much to do but attack me, which is (according to
my brother Mario) why he kept urging you to not build them.
But as you point out, that's very far in the future and not worth worrying
about right now. If we can show each other as trustworthy, I'm sure that
we can figure out a good way to continue to work together, as long as we
talk about our differences and plan things like we are doing so now.
> this might not be the best thing for me to do? Because if I piss of
> both Austria and russia..that isn't good. A better solution would be
> to get Russia to cause you to get Trieste.....
Okay I'll see what I can do.
> >Maybe Tri, Vie, Bud for me and Ser, Rum, Bul, Sev for you, with possible
> >adjustments based on our gains in other parts of the world?
>
> that makes sense.
Okay well at least we have a basic plan then.
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
So...what is the plan?
Andy
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
Fellas....
Some input would be nice......
Andy
Message from Turkey to Austria
....testy testy...
>Fellas....
>
>Some input would be nice......
>
I was away from my computer since yesterday at 4p; anyway...
russia said he was coming down with something and also with the
deadline no immediate I would imagine diplomacy with him will be
slow. let's use that to our advantage.
..so it is pretty clear that even R-T alliances usually end up
favoring the Russian. I would like to make sure that R doesn't come
out of this better than me. Also, i would like to see you survive as
that adds stability to the region for me.
while Italy it would look like I am headed for Italy, my gains there
will be limited for the time being. I can either make more gains from
attacking you or stabbing Russia. also the Russian fleet makes me
nervous.
>If you were me, what would you do (stay with Russia or align with
>you)? then at the same time, what do you see as your best chance of
>survival? (I think you getting a build this turn is key)..but we
>need to think beyond that.
Message from Turkey to Italy
> > That would work if it was clear that you wouldn't be posing a threat
>> to me with your fleets...but that is down the road(I'm not good at
>> thinking way far in advance (or too lazy)....
>
>Well, my fleets have somewhere to go (west against France). Your excess
>fleets wouldn't have very much to do but attack me, which is (according to
>my brother Mario) why he kept urging you to not build them.
>
>But as you point out, that's very far in the future and not worth worrying
>about right now. If we can show each other as trustworthy, I'm sure that
>we can figure out a good way to continue to work together, as long as we
>talk about our differences and plan things like we are doing so now.
ok, should we talk closer to the deadline?
>
>> this might not be the best thing for me to do? Because if I piss of
>> both Austria and russia..that isn't good. A better solution would be
>> to get Russia to cause you to get Trieste.....
>
>Okay I'll see what I can do.
the key being that i can afford to attack either Austria or
Russia...not both, and we'll have to see how things play out.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Russia,
how are things? let me know on specific plans-confirmation close to
the deadline....in the meantime, I am going to try and split Austria
and Italy and keep them off guard. both are desparate now (even
Italy), and willing to work with me (I think), or at least tell me
what is going on. getting italy's fleets sailing west and being able
to decimate Austria down to 2 wwould be great this year.
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
Gentlemen,
> Some input would be nice......
Sorry. While sitting here in my apartment, wishing I was in Denver, and
watching the snow-drifts pile higher and higher, I somehow got something
flu-like. My head feels like it's stuffed in cotton. How does this sound?
(Please check my logic here, I'm not at my best.)
Tri & Ser S Gre-Alb,
Bul S Aeg-Gre,
EMed-Aeg.
This would give Turkey a fourth Fleet against Ion next year, and destroy
IF Ser if Italy moves Ion-Adr. Combined with
Boh-Tyl,
Gal-Boh,
Bud S Tri,
it would allow RAT to advance nicely, allowing me to support an attack
on Ven, and then attack Munich.
Nicky.
Message from Russia to Turkey
> how are things? let me know on specific plans-confirmation close to
> the deadline....in the meantime, I am going to try and split Austria
> and Italy and keep them off guard. both are desperate now (even
> Italy), and willing to work with me (I think), or at least tell me
> what is going on. getting Italy's fleets sailing west and being able
> to decimate Austria down to 2 would be great this year.
I don't see any reason to change what we've decided on, ("Stab
Austria"). Before he left, France said he wanted to talk to me
about my Army in Boh, but I don't see how that would change
our plan. Do we want to encourage France to attack Italy? On
the one hand, it would lower Italy's defense against you, but a
stronger France would be a problem for you later on.
Nicky.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Russia,
>
>
>> how are things? let me know on specific plans-confirmation close to
>> the deadline....in the meantime, I am going to try and split Austria
>> and Italy and keep them off guard. both are desperate now (even
>> Italy), and willing to work with me (I think), or at least tell me
>> what is going on. getting Italy's fleets sailing west and being able
>> to decimate Austria down to 2 would be great this year.
>
>I don't see any reason to change what we've decided on, ("Stab
>Austria").
OK, I guess I should have been more clear. I meant to say...."I want
to make sure right close to the deadline that we have the orders
exactly correct becuase this turn has been a long time and I have a
short attention span."
> Before he left, France said he wanted to talk to me
>about my Army in Boh, but I don't see how that would change
>our plan. Do we want to encourage France to attack Italy?
I think so.
> On
>the one hand, it would lower Italy's defense against you, but a
>stronger France would be a problem for you later on.
We'll hopefully we can arrange it such that France doesn't get
anything off Italy. I'm working on a faux peace accord with Italy, I
want to be his 'ally' in helping stave off French attacking.
turkey
Message from France to all
Hi all,
Thanks for your patience, I just returned from my skiing
holiday and am almost entirely online now.
The French embassies are thus reopened, expect my replies
soon.
Best,
Tamas
Message from France to Turkey
Hi Sultan,
> so I aam back in town here, i'm digging through mail, and
> i think that you might have sent me something before?
I just got back myself and am somewhat disorganized. I
certainly have not sent anything the past 6 days, will have
to look up my folders to see if I sent you something before
that.
> Things are going good for me, but that Russian fleet in
> the Black Sea is troublesome (like the English fleet in
> English channel for you)...any advice on how to deal with
> that?
Do you mention ENG as a theoretical problem or do you happen
to know something nasty being planned over there? As for F
BLA, I cannot see any other plausible move than Rum-Sev. If
my spies are correct, there is a plan where Russia is taking
Den, Vie and Ank this year and starts pushing (mostly in the
north) for the solo as of next spring. I am still waiting
for information on this but you should at least keep the AT
relations as friendly as possible.
> Also, I would like to play this that it ends in a 3 way
> draw, which is my ideal for this game. If I survive, i
> think that there is a good chance that it is you, me and
> someone else..probably Russia. How do you see this
> ending?
Right now this game looks like Russia agains the rest. We
should change this before making concrete plans for draws.
Of course I am very happy with your suggestion but we have
to realize that you are implicitly talking about the
elimination of G, E, and A, all of which feed a possible
Russian solo bid. I think we have to be careful, of course
it is safe to eliminate Italy and I think that should be
done, especially because those centers are needed. But
before signing the RTF draw agreement, we should try to
arrange some damage which is done on Russia by G, E and A.
And if we can do this (and we still have all the options)
then I think we might even want to be more ambitious, for
example there is a very nice two-way stalemate line between
F and T...
Tamas
Message from Russia to all
My apologies for my silence. I've been sick, but the Russian
Embassies are open again.
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Turkey
So, now that we're closer to the deadline - any further thoughts on the
Russian stab? I think that somebody better stop Russia before nobody can.
Message from Turkey to France
France,
> > Things are going good for me, but that Russian fleet in
>> the Black Sea is troublesome (like the English fleet in
>> English channel for you)...any advice on how to deal with
>> that?
>
>Do you mention ENG as a theoretical problem
in theory only....are you friendly with the English now?
> or do you happen
>to know something nasty being planned over there? As for F
>BLA, I cannot see any other plausible move than Rum-Sev.
I'm not sure that i follow you here? Are you saying because F BLA
can take one of my SCs, that I should move Rum-Sev?
> If
>my spies are correct, there is a plan where Russia is taking
>Den, Vie and Ank this year and starts pushing (mostly in the
>north) for the solo as of next spring. I am still waiting
>for information on this but you should at least keep the AT
>relations as friendly as possible.
>
>> Also, I would like to play this that it ends in a 3 way
>> draw, which is my ideal for this game. If I survive, i
>> think that there is a good chance that it is you, me and
>> someone else..probably Russia. How do you see this
>> ending?
>
>Right now this game looks like Russia agains the rest. We
>should change this before making concrete plans for draws.
i agree... So how should I play this? try to play Austria vs Russia?
And are you thinking that if I align with Austria right now, that
between the three of us, we can kill italy such that Italy can't help
Russia at all?
Message from Turkey to Italy
>So, now that we're closer to the deadline - any further thoughts on the
>Russian stab? I think that somebody better stop Russia before nobody can.
Here's the problem. I can go after Sev, and get it for sure or stop
BLA from taking-ANK--having to bounce me. howver, if I _tell_
everyone for certain that is what is going to happen, then Russia
will just take ANK, because he knows he can't stop me. do you get my
drift? And everyone I tell, has an interest in seeing that R-T are
at war.
...so I need to get through this turn and then I can speak more openly.
I can tell you for certain that I am not attacking you this turn
(like I said before) I can't hope to take any SCs off you..I need to
attack either Austria or Russia first.
Message from Turkey to Russia
So, here's the deal, everyone is telling me that this is the turn
that you are doing the big stab and going for the solo. I am sure
everyone is telling you that I am going after SEV this turn. It is
in everyone's interest to see us not work together.
So with that said, let's make sure that you Rumania, so that you have
no reason to take ANK.
rum-ser
bul s rum-ser
gre s eas-ion
eas-ion
aeg s gre
bla-rum
gal s bla-rum
boh-vie
that should give neither of us the impetus to attack each other
Message from Turkey to Austria
Given up on the game?
Message from Italy to Turkey
Okay no problem - you don't have to tell me what exactly you're going to
do - as you mention there are certainly disadvantages to doing so.
So I'll just leave it at - let me know if there is something that you want
me to do specifically
Message from France to Turkey
Hi Sultan,
> >Do you mention ENG as a theoretical problem
>
> in theory only....are you friendly with the English now?
Sort of. I certainly cannot fight both Italy and England in
my position at the same time.
> I'm not sure that i follow you here? Are you saying
> because F BLA can take one of my SCs, that I should move
> Rum-Sev?
These are probably two distinct but coupled issues. What I
was saying (admittedly without spending an awful lot on the
analysis) is that if I were in that position I would
consider it an unacceptable risk not to move to Sev as long
as I have a home SC open. At the same time you were asking
about when to stab Russia. I would say that your lineup
against Italy and the pressure on him both from France and
Austria is probably an occasion I would try not to miss if I
was playing there. Certainly if Russia takes a German SC
this year then you can say goodbye to stabbing him for some
time and if he sneaks into Ank at the same time then it's
gonna be Russia against everybody but you will not have the
chance of surviving until the end. I do not have a good
answer though and you probably know much more about the Tzar
because you are neighbors.
BTW since the last message I did some thinking and I found
an excellent play against Russia for you. You could request
a bounce in Sev (most reasonable) and instead move to Ukr.
That guarantees Mos next year, you build another unit next
to BLA and the two of us finish Italy with Austrian help in
no time. The Russian danger is taken care of too. This is
a thought but you might want to think it over.
> i agree... So how should I play this? try to play Austria
> vs Russia?
I certainly would make all I can to stay friendly with
Austria. I do not think you can afford having any friction
with the Kaiser, and frankly now that you have gotten Greece
there is absolutely no reason for that.
> And are you thinking that if I align with Austria right
> now, that between the three of us, we can kill italy such
> that Italy can't help Russia at all?
Note that there is also England and Germany and I do not see
many ways of Italy actually helping Russia. Italy will
probably disband this year and a four-center Austria nicely
separates the two.
This is quite an exciting stage, let me know your decision,
I will also try to bug Russia to find out what he is up to,
hopefully it will help you.
Tamas
Message from Turkey to Italy
>Okay no problem - you don't have to tell me what exactly you're going to
>do - as you mention there are certainly disadvantages to doing so.
>
>So I'll just leave it at - let me know if there is something that you want
>me to do specifically
ok..will do.
good luck this turn
Message from Turkey to Austria
...because this is the year that due to F BLA and my two open SC's
(while SEV is open)..that you are going to go to 4 units.
I HAVE to go after Russia, and therefore, I can't attack you.
I can't exactly help you this turn, etc..but at least not attacking
you will be a help.
anyway, if you had given up on the game, don't because you should be
a 4 units this winter.
good luck
Message from Turkey to France
The bounce in SEV sounds like a good idea, and then faking and going
to the UKRAINE seems like a good ploy..i offered something else and
i'll see howthe Russian responds...i then follow up with the idea of
bouncing in SEV.
Message from Austria to Turkey
>
> ...because this is the year that due to F BLA and my two open SC's
> (while SEV is open)..that you are going to go to 4 units.
>
> I HAVE to go after Russia, and therefore, I can't attack you.
>
> I can't exactly help you this turn, etc..but at least not attacking
> you will be a help.
>
> anyway, if you had given up on the game, don't because you should be
> a 4 units this winter.
Let me know if I can help in any way.
Does this mean that I dont need to support you into ALB....that is fairly
important to me.
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
>
>
> Given up on the game?
>
No....not at all.
Andy
Message from Russia to Turkey
> everyone is telling me that this is the turn
> that you are doing the big stab and going for the solo.
Well, I could take Ank, and possibly Rum (Gal-Rum)
to keep you from building, but that's hardly a big
stab, or a winning one, I don't think.
> I am sure everyone is telling you that I am
> going after SEV this turn.
No-one has mentioned that possibility, actually. 8-)
> rum-ser
> bul s rum-ser
> gre s eas-ion
> eas-ion
> aeg s gre
>
> bla-rum
> boh-vie
Agreed.
> gal s bla-rum
This has to be Gal-Bud to cut Bud S Ser, and make sure
that Rum-Ser works, though. Then I take either Vie or
Rum, or if Austria trusts us, both. So, either I'll
build one and you'll build two, or I'll build two and
you'll build one.
> that should give neither of us the impetus to attack each other
Nicky.
Message from Germany to Turkey
Sultan:
If you're looking for a chance to keep Russia from being the senior partner in
your arrangement, I'd like to cordially suggest that this is the turn to do so.
Sev is exposed, and there are multiple powers planning to take down the Russian
leader. Concern for his growth is pretty universal at this point; I think you
could use the opportunity to gain a few Russian centers without any serious
diplomatic repercussions.
Obviously, seeing Russia take a hit would be a big help to me, but I think it
would be a wise move for you, too. With his dominance up north, he's going to
create problems for you real soon.
Kaiser Erik
Message from Turkey to Austria
>
>Let me know if I can help in any way.
>
>Does this mean that I dont need to support you into ALB....that is fairly
>important to me.
yes, I don't need support into ALB..does that screw things up for you?
it seems like you could hold 4 SCs with
TRI h
ser s tri h
bud-vie
I would rather that we get Russia to not attack you this turn, than
for me to have to lie outright to him.
so perhaps you could send a message to both of us. Point out that I
got Greece and that I should be happy and that russia can focus on
his northern border.
Also, I would prefer to not do anything anti-Italian this turn. If
Russia stabs me, then i don't want to have Italy pissed too.
Have you worked out with France to try for Venice?
What do you think Italy will do? I have a feeling that he still
doesn't trust me and will therefore not vacate ION
Message from Turkey to Russia
> > everyone is telling me that this is the turn
>> that you are doing the big stab and going for the solo.
>
>Well, I could take Ank, and possibly Rum (Gal-Rum)
>to keep you from building, but that's hardly a big
>stab, or a winning one, I don't think.
>
>> I am sure everyone is telling you that I am
>> going after SEV this turn.
>
>No-one has mentioned that possibility, actually. 8-)
Maybe they are just trying to get me to turn on you since they are
afraid. Also, I am trying to stir up trouble between Italy and
Austria and getting Italy to focus on France....so maybe they are
trying to talk me into attacking you, so that they don't have to
worry about me coming after then. (austria is still quite vulnerable)
> > rum-ser
>> bul s rum-ser
>> gre s eas-ion
>> eas-ion
>> aeg s gre
>>
>> bla-rum
>> boh-vie
>
>Agreed.
good, I'll order it now.
> > gal s bla-rum
>
>This has to be Gal-Bud to cut Bud S Ser, and make sure
>that Rum-Ser works, though.
ok, that is fine. i can't imagine Serbia doing anything but support
Trieste though.
Turkey
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
Ok...now that I am out of my sleep deprived haze, I am suddenly pinged
with much paranoia.....not sure why, but I am....
I would be much more comfortable with Russia moving north and Turkey being
happy with just getting Greece and making this a small step in our
relationship rather than a big one.....
Can we do that....I would be much more comfortable with it.
thanks
Andy
Message from Turkey to Germany
>If you're looking for a chance to keep Russia from being the senior partner in
>your arrangement, I'd like to cordially suggest that this is the
>turn to do so.
that is what a lot of people have been telling me. i am definitely
nervous about BLA. Actually though, while russia could go real BIG
this turn, he can be stopped as you point out (he only has 6 units
right now). what would concern me big time would be if he got dEN,
VIE, ANK this turn...now that would be scary.
>Sev is exposed,
I am certainly willing to go after SEV because it protects me against
a loss by his attacking ANK.
> and there are multiple powers planning to take down the Russian
>leader. Concern for his growth is pretty universal at this point; I think you
>could use the opportunity to gain a few Russian centers without any serious
>diplomatic repercussions.
I like this reasoning. While I do see that if Russia falls in the
north, you will gain a lot, I am willing to go along with this plan
if I can do the same for myself in the south...so thanks for
including me!!!!
>
>Obviously, seeing Russia take a hit would be a big help to me, but I think it
>would be a wise move for you, too. With his dominance up north, he's going to
>create problems for you real soon.
Exactly!
turkey
Message from Turkey to Russia
>Ok...now that I am out of my sleep deprived haze, I am suddenly pinged
>with much paranoia.....not sure why, but I am....
>
>I would be much more comfortable with Russia moving north and Turkey being
>happy with just getting Greece and making this a small step in our
>relationship rather than a big one.....
I think this is good, because it means if we work it right, we can
get both Ser and Bud.
>
>Can we do that....I would be much more comfortable with it.
I will be much more comfortable with him dead!
what is the best way to respond to him?
Message from Russia to Turkey
> >This has to be Gal-Bud to cut Bud S Ser, and make sure
> >that Rum-Ser works, though.
>
> ok, that is fine. i can't imagine Serbia doing anything but support
> Trieste though.
Yes, my guess would be either Ser S Tri, Bud S Ser, or Bud S Tri,
Ser S Bud, or perhaps Ser S Bud, Bud S Ser, Tri S Pie-Ven, but
I think I need to order Gal-Bud to make Rum-Ser a sure thing. I'll
respond to Austria's note now.
Nicky.
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
Gentlemen,
> Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in 'comments':
>
> I would be much more comfortable with Russia moving north and
> Turkey being happy with just getting Greece and making this a
> small step in our relationship rather than a big one.....
> Can we do that....I would be much more comfortable with it.
I have no problem with Gre & EMed S Aeg-Ion, Bul S Gre,
Bud S Ser, Ser S Tri (or some other supportive variation in
Austrian orders). It's actually safer for Turkey and Austria,
and next Spring we can try something like Bud S Vie-Tri,
Ser S F Tri-Alb, Gre, EMed & Aeg-Ion. If we're going to
hit Venice next year, I need to move to Tyl, though, don't I?
Obviously, Tyl & Boh threatens Vie/Tri, but I'm moving out
of Gal, so you're gaining a measure of security, and the threat
to Vie will keep you honest as the threat of RF Bla keeps
Turkey from too strongly considering Rum-Sev. If I move
Boh S Gal-Sil, that leaves Sev/Ukr/Mos/Gal/War a little
too open, I think. Does this seem reasonable?
Nicky.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Russia,
>
> > >This has to be Gal-Bud to cut Bud S Ser, and make sure
> > >that Rum-Ser works, though.
> >
> > ok, that is fine. i can't imagine Serbia doing anything but support
> > Trieste though.
>
> Yes, my guess would be either Ser S Tri, Bud S Ser, or Bud S Tri,
> Ser S Bud, or perhaps Ser S Bud, Bud S Ser, Tri S Pie-Ven, but
> I think I need to order Gal-Bud to make Rum-Ser a sure thing. I'll
> respond to Austria's note now.
OK, sounds good. Looks like everything is ready. I honestly can't ever see the
Austrian player ordering all supports, but we'll see.
I'll email both you and A tommorrow morning.
Turkey
Message from Russia to Turkey
> I honestly can't see the Austrian player ordering all supports, but we'll
see.
Ok.... If he orders Bud S Ser-Rum, Gal-Bud cuts the support,
you dislodge Ser, and Bla-Rum, Boh-Vie, both succeed. If he orders
Ser S Bud-Rum, you dislodge Ser, cutting its support, and Bud-Rum
bounces Bla-Rum. If he orders Bud-Vie, Boh-Vie bounces, I take
Rum as you take Ser. No matter what he orders, Ser is destroyed,
and we each build at least one.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
> Gentlemen,
>
> > Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in 'comments':
> >
> > I would be much more comfortable with Russia moving north and
> > Turkey being happy with just getting Greece and making this a
> > small step in our relationship rather than a big one.....
> > Can we do that....I would be much more comfortable with it.
>
> I have no problem with Gre & EMed S Aeg-Ion, Bul S Gre,
> Bud S Ser, Ser S Tri (or some other supportive variation in
> Austrian orders). It's actually safer for Turkey and Austria,
> and next Spring we can try something like Bud S Vie-Tri,
> Ser S F Tri-Alb, Gre, EMed & Aeg-Ion. If we're going to
> hit Venice next year, I need to move to Tyl, though, don't I?
> Obviously, Tyl & Boh threatens Vie/Tri, but I'm moving out
> of Gal, so you're gaining a measure of security, and the threat
> to Vie will keep you honest as the threat of RF Bla keeps
> Turkey from too strongly considering Rum-Sev. If I move
> Boh S Gal-Sil, that leaves Sev/Ukr/Mos/Gal/War a little
> too open, I think. Does this seem reasonable?
I dont think it leaves you too open NOW. But if I were stronger, I would
agree with you....
Stronger is defined as 5+ units.
I think you would be ok with it for this season, and you can compensate as
you feel neccesary in the future.
Andy
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> The bounce in SEV sounds like a good idea, and then faking
> and going to the UKRAINE seems like a good ploy..i offered
> something else and i'll see howthe Russian responds...i
> then follow up with the idea of bouncing in SEV.
In this case I am trying to think about sending NAO further
to the north. That should put more pressure on Russia, just
enough for you to cement your corner position for good.
Could you entertain me with what Mario is telling you these
days? He does not really talk to me and I figure that if he
is chatting with anyone, it should be you.
Tamas
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
Please let me know if you cancel your stab on Russia this
year. I have done some thinking and it is clear that my
hitting England has to be coordinated with you hitting
Russia, because I need two seasons to replace the English
navy which is standing in the way of the Tzar right now.
thanks,
Tamas
Message from Turkey to France
>
>> The bounce in SEV sounds like a good idea, and then faking
>> and going to the UKRAINE seems like a good ploy..i offered
>> something else and i'll see howthe Russian responds...i
>> then follow up with the idea of bouncing in SEV.
>
>In this case I am trying to think about sending NAO further
>to the north. That should put more pressure on Russia, just
>enough for you to cement your corner position for good.
>
>Could you entertain me with what Mario is telling you these
>days? He does not really talk to me and I figure that if he
>is chatting with anyone, it should be you.
As per your other note...I am definitely stabbing russia this turn.
Of course I really hope no one says anything to him..but I guess
everyone wants to see him get smaller, so no one expects it.
As for Italy...I have told him I am attacking Russia and not
attacking Austria (like he wanted). I didn't try and get concessions
out of him to move west...but if he believes me, then I could see him
trying to consolidate.
Of course I always fear that he and austria are working together, but
that is probably more paranoia on my part.
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia
>
>> Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey in 'comments':
>>
>> I would be much more comfortable with Russia moving north and
>> Turkey being happy with just getting Greece and making this a
>> small step in our relationship rather than a big one.....
>> Can we do that....I would be much more comfortable with it.
>
>I have no problem with Gre & EMed S Aeg-Ion, Bul S Gre,
>Bud S Ser, Ser S Tri (or some other supportive variation in
>Austrian orders).
I'm ok with this too. for this turn, I am more than happy to get the
one build and then start taking more out of Turkey next turn.
> It's actually safer for Turkey and Austria,
>and next Spring we can try something like Bud S Vie-Tri,
>Ser S F Tri-Alb, Gre, EMed & Aeg-Ion. If we're going to
>hit Venice next year, I need to move to Tyl, though, don't I?
I'll let you guys work out the north.
>Obviously, Tyl & Boh threatens Vie/Tri, but I'm moving out
>of Gal, so you're gaining a measure of security, and the threat
>to Vie will keep you honest as the threat of RF Bla keeps
>Turkey from too strongly considering Rum-Sev.
I think this is the type of situation that works pretty well. Mutual
distrust/suspicion goes a long way toward a healthy alliance, or at
least a strong one.
Turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria
OK, are we all set? to reiterate what I said before, Russia thinks I
am attacking you, killing Serbia. Instead I am attacking him, and
hoping that he doesn't take one of my centers.
good luck on getting to 4 this turn.
Turkey
Message from France to Turkey
Hi Sultan,
> Of course I really hope no one says anything to him.
I certainly will not.
> As for Italy...I have told him I am attacking Russia and
> not attacking Austria (like he wanted). I didn't try and
> get concessions out of him to move west...but if he
> believes me, then I could see him trying to consolidate.
I have been trying to get some info out of Austria but he
did not say many words. He says that he orders Tri S
Pie-Ven and I can take it if I want to. That seems to
suggest that Italy and Austria are not working together.
I am trying to find out the best moves to control Italy,
hopefully I can get rid of his Belgium army and then it will
be easier from next year. To this end, do you know what the
Russian and Austrian armies are doing down there?
Especially, will Austria keep Trieste for sure? Russia told
me that he is planning to move Boh-Tyr, is this consistent
with what he is telling you?
I especially would like to hear your judgement about
Pie-Ven. Presently I do not consider this move at all but
there are still a few hours until the deadline. If your
information about the Italian moves suggest that Tri S
Pie-Ven would fly, then please let me know. If however you
think that Pie-Ven will definitely fail then I ask you to
leak the info about the Austrian offer to Italy. (We do not
want Italy to think that Austria is a nice guy...)
> Of course I always fear that he and austria are working
> together, but that is probably more paranoia on my part.
Some paranoia never hurts. I wish you good luck with Russia
(will it be BLA-Sev?) and I am sure that you will have
enough force to help me finish Italy too.
Best,
Tamas
Message from Austria to Turkey
I am all set.
> OK, are we all set? to reiterate what I said before, Russia thinks I
> am attacking you, killing Serbia. Instead I am attacking him, and
> hoping that he doesn't take one of my centers.
>
> good luck on getting to 4 this turn.
>
Good luck
Andy
Message from Turkey to France
>
>I have been trying to get some info out of Austria but he
>did not say many words. He says that he orders Tri S
>Pie-Ven and I can take it if I want to. That seems to
>suggest that Italy and Austria are not working together.
yeah, it doesn't really make sense for them to be working together
>
>I am trying to find out the best moves to control Italy,
>hopefully I can get rid of his Belgium army and then it will
>be easier from next year. To this end, do you know what the
>Russian and Austrian armies are doing down there?
>Especially, will Austria keep Trieste for sure? Russia told
>me that he is planning to move Boh-Tyr, is this consistent
>with what he is telling you?
I really have no idea about any of that. I think russia will probably
go for Vie.
I do think though that you probably have a 50% chance of taking
Ven..and at the very minimum it ties up 2 italian units..which could
be good enough since Italy will be getting smallernext year.
>
>I especially would like to hear your judgement about
>Pie-Ven. Presently I do not consider this move at all but
>there are still a few hours until the deadline. If your
>information about the Italian moves suggest that Tri S
>Pie-Ven would fly, then please let me know. If however you
>think that Pie-Ven will definitely fail then I ask you to
>leak the info about the Austrian offer to Italy. (We do not
>want Italy to think that Austria is a nice guy...)
Like I said before...isn't it pretty good just to keep the Italian
tied up?..since he has no friends and will be getting smaller? (I
won't leak anything until the end)
> > Of course I always fear that he and austria are working
>> together, but that is probably more paranoia on my part.
>
>Some paranoia never hurts. I wish you good luck with Russia
>(will it be BLA-Sev?)
I don't know..that would be fine, as long as i hold Greece, because
then I get a build of a fleet to help stave off any Russian units in
the Black sea.
turkey
Message from Turkey to Austria
one thing I have weighed telling/not telling you is about Vie.
Basically Russia says he is moving there unsupported, given everyone
on the board saying that they are attacking russia, it would be shame
to see russia get into Vie. then on the other hand, at some level
you aren't going to trust me and might see this as a ploy to get you
to move your units in such a way that benefits Russia and myself.
I hope you see that I need to attack russia (i don't want to look
like a fool down the road..or even this turn if I get stabbed after
everyone warned me)...but at the same time it would really suck if
Russia gets Vie and he will be pissed at me for attacking Sev.
Anyway, do what you need to do and I promise you that by himself
Russia can't get any of your centers for sure, and I am not helping
him. Again good luck, and you'll be in a much better spot if you do
well this turn.
Turkey
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> I really have no idea about any of that. I think russia
> will probably go for Vie.
Did he say so?
> I do think though that you probably have a 50% chance of
> taking Ven..and at the very minimum it ties up 2 italian
> units..which could be good enough since Italy will be
> getting smallernext year.
The problem is that at the same time I want to stand Russia
out of Tyr, otherwise he will dictate on this part of the
board (too).
> I don't know..that would be fine, as long as i hold
> Greece, because then I get a build of a fleet to help
> stave off any Russian units in the Black sea.
Exactly. Nice plan.
Tamas
Message from Turkey to France
France,
>
>Sultan,
>
>> I really have no idea about any of that. I think russia
>> will probably go for Vie.
>
>Did he say so?
yes, that is what he told me he was doing. i think he is going there
because of the rapport i have with him, although of course he could
be lying to me just like i am lying to him this turn!
>
>> I do think though that you probably have a 50% chance of
>> taking Ven..and at the very minimum it ties up 2 italian
>> units..which could be good enough since Italy will be
>> getting smallernext year.
>
>The problem is that at the same time I want to stand Russia
>out of Tyr, otherwise he will dictate on this part of the
>board (too).
i see. I would bet good money that he is going to Vie and not Tyr
>
>> I don't know..that would be fine, as long as i hold
>> Greece, because then I get a build of a fleet to help
> > stave off any Russian units in the Black sea.
>
Exactly. Nice plan.
let's hope it works!
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
I am holding on to my dots and building to 4.
Turkey is holding Greece and building one.
Russia....I just dont want to be surprised....what did we decide that you
are doing....
thanks
Andy
Every normal man must be tempted, at times,
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats.
- H. L. Mencken
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
> Message from buffalo@guisarme.net as Austria to Russia and Turkey in
> 'comments':
>
>
> I am holding on to my dots and building to 4.
>
> Turkey is holding Greece and building one.
Roger that.
> Russia....I just dont want to be surprised....what did we decide that you
> are doing....
We didn't I don't think. I asked:
:: Don't I need to move to Tyl to give you a reasonable shot at making
:: your 5th Center Venice, instead of War/Rum?
but I never got a reply.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
> >
> > I am holding on to my dots and building to 4.
> >
> > Turkey is holding Greece and building one.
>
> Roger that.
>
> > Russia....I just dont want to be surprised....what did we decide that you
> > are doing....
>
> We didn't I don't think. I asked:
>
> :: Don't I need to move to Tyl to give you a reasonable shot at making
> :: your 5th Center Venice, instead of War/Rum?
>
> but I never got a reply.
I sent a reply saying that I could get myself to Tyrolia from Vienna after
I build, so it would be safe to move away from me for a season.
Andy
Message to all
Austria in game 'comments':
Name: Andy Bartalone
JDPR: 1085
England in game 'comments':
Name: David Shewchuk
JDPR: 1000
France in game 'comments':
Name: Tamas Hauer
JDPR: 1399
Germany in game 'comments':
Name: Erik Diehn
JDPR: 830
Italy in game 'comments':
Name: Dan Miller
JDPR: 1727
Russia in game 'comments':
Name: Eric Hunter
JDPR: 1387
Turkey in game 'comments':
Name: Andrew Albright
JDPR: 818
JDPR Scores From: http://devel.diplom.org/Email/Ratings/JDPR/players.html
Austria: Army Budapest → Vienna (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Trieste
Austria: Fleet Trieste SUPPORT French Army Piedmont → Venice (*cut*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Belgium
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Edinburgh
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT English Fleet English Channel → Belgium
France: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Picardy SUPPORT English Fleet English Channel → Belgium
France: Army Piedmont → Venice (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean
Germany: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Denmark
Germany: Army Holland → Belgium (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Berlin (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Munich HOLD
Germany: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT English Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway (*void*)
Italy: Fleet Albania → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Belgium HOLD (*dislodged*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea HOLD
Italy: Fleet Naples → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Venice SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Trieste (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Vienna (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Norway CONVOY German Army Munich → Paris
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Fleet Norway
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Greece
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Greece HOLD
Turkey: Army Rumania → Sevastopol
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