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Message [from Germany] to all
Ye Ha Buckeroos.
We have.
AI vs RT
and
EG vs F
Least it looks that way to me. Other opinions are welcome.
The Phantom (knows)
Message from Austria to Italy
Another good season. It looks like Turkey, England, and Germany are all
willing to contribute a little to prop up Russia. That's OK; I hope the
fleet in Sweden annoys them soon. For now, I may take my guess in Russia
and support Tun-Smy (Aeg's support cannot be cut).
Did you ask Turkey for the support to Gre, or was that his idea? Either
way, you destroyed any credibility Turkey might have in seeking to ally with
me, so it certainly benefits you.
I am prepared to carry on AI vs RT, if you are. With at least 5 centers
each after the fall, versus a total of 9 at most between our opponents, one
of which is represented by the nearly-wasted Russian northern fleet, I
believe we will succeed, with RT dying by the end of 1903 and dead (except
perhaps for northern Russia) by the end of 1904.
I didn't feel I could accept an anti-Turkey plan that strengthened Russia;
the risk of getting sandwiched between Russia and Italy after Turkey fell
seeemed too high. From your point of view, a quick elimination of your
naval rival, Turkey, should free you to join in against France in time to
pick up your share (or a bit more) of the spoils there. Stabbing me, and
holding your gains after my inevitable response, would seem to leave you in
a strategically inferior position, with RT on your east and England better
positioned to take Iberia than you.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for keeping our border safe. You look to be in a
very commanding position. I congratulate you. I am in a
poor position, unfortunately. I fear that I could not
overcome the "most dangerous person" fallacy. I will do
my best to defend your border. I think that I can hold
out for quite a while. I do appreciate anything you can
do to make Germany nervous and a bit tenative.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Did you ask Turkey for the support to Gre, or was that his
> idea?
He offered it up and said he would make the order and I could take advantage
of it if I so desired. I'll admit, I took a look at the map and moved some
pieces around but it didn't take long to realize how bad of a move that
would have been for Italy.
>
> I am prepared to carry on AI vs RT, if you are.
>
Count me in. Shall we prepare a division of the spoils so that we both
agree who will get what and there won't be any surprises or conflicts down
the road.
>
> I didn't feel I could accept an anti-Turkey plan that
> strengthened Russia;
>
Completely understand. That's why I was suggesting that you should get
Rumania (Russia's only legitimate sniff at a supply center this year). I
don't want Russia to get a build any more than you do.
> From your point of view, a quick elimination of your
> naval rival, Turkey, should free you to join in against
> France in time to pick up your share (or a bit more)
> of the spoils there.
That's what I'm hoping. If I can eliminate Turkey AND gain my share of
Iberia, I'll lay odds that I'd be around for the end-game and there's really
nothing more I can ask for than that.
> Stabbing me, and holding your gains after my inevitable
> response, would seem to leave you in a strategically
> inferior position, with RT on your east and England
> better positioned to take Iberia than you.
>
You have absolutely no fear of a stab. I am not a rookie at this game. I
happen to think that I play the game fairly well and understand the
intricacies so often missed by others. I cannot reasonably defend any
center currently owned by you. All that would happen is your armies would
come roaring back home to take back what was rightfully yours to begin with
and allow RT to take up the real estate you're currently occupying. Italy
would have to be a complete fool, and trust me, I ain't no fool.
My orders are so pathetically easy this fall they are already ordered. I
will indeed be convoying to Smyrna and would appreciate your support from
the Aegean. We can't afford to allow Turkey a build this winter so I think
that's the best play. However, if you decide to make a different move, and
I can see where that is possible, please be so kind as to inform me so that
I don't waste 3/4 of my military strength this fall.
Life is Beautiful
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> Thanks for keeping our border safe. You look to be in a
> very commanding position. I congratulate you.
>
Thank you. For the life of me, I still can't figure out how that happened.
I guess it's a rare occassion that Italy has to overcome the "most dangerous
person" fallacy.
> I do appreciate anything you can
> do to make Germany nervous and a bit tenative.
>
Partly why I'm in Tyrolia right now. It will keep him on his toes. I won't
consider any moves that will jeopardize his trust in me though until you're
at least in Burgundy in which case Tyrolia might be useful. You can be safe
in knowing though that Germany will not be able to pull the old end-around
to get to Piedmont via Tyrolia.
If there is anything I can do for you, just let me know.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message [from Austria] to all
BG> Holey Rubbergundy Diploman, they bounced again!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, both Germany and France seem to be more afraid of the other occupying Burgundy than wanting to occupy it themselfs.
BG> Are there any alliances yet?
DM> There's an RT, an EG, and an AI.
BG> Oh! France has no ally?
DM> That would appear to be correct, Boy Gambit.
BG> You mentioned RT? You mean, Russia and Turkey?
DM> Correct again, Boy Gambit.
BG> But the other powers will never permit that. Everyone knows the RT alliance is far too powerful. And didn't Russia open against England?
DM> The other powers seem to be encouraging it. Look, both Saint Petersburg and Sweden were left for Russia.
BG> Wow! So the other powers are afraid of AI!
DM> I don't think so Boy Gambit. Do you have another idea?
BG> Sorry, Diploman. I just don't understand it.
DM> Consider, Boy Gambit, what happens when England and Germany attack France.
BG> Don't they win, Diploman?
DM> Indeed, Boy Gambit. But who gets the southern French centers?
BG> Oh! Italy gets most of them.
DM> Unless?
BG> Unless Italy has to fight in the East! Wow, Diploman, this game is really complicated! So England and Germany are promoting the RT alliance so
they don't have to share the spoils in France?
DM> It certainly looks that way, Boy Gambit.
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
We now seem to have additional facts at our disposal!
>BG> Unless Italy has to fight in the East! Wow, Diploman, this game is
>really complicated! So England and Germany are promoting the RT alliance
>so
>they don't have to share the spoils in France?
>
>DM> It certainly looks that way, Boy Gambit.
Amusing! But I think you know that I would like nothing more than your
participation in southern France. You even have a spare army in Tyrolia.
[I suspect the author of the BG/DM dialogs to be none other than Prince
Boar himself.]
Ivy Wingo
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Impostors Diploman, someone is trying to steal our gig!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, when you become popular there always will be copy cats. At
least they cannot duplicate our nifty outfits.
BG> I bet they even wear underwear under their leotards!
DM> Uh hum, there is no need to reveal all our secrets.
BG> They do not even know that our role is to bring the betrayers to justice!
DM> Yes, they have other motives. Turning to our responsibilities, the obvious
targets are those that appear to be the winners. England and Germany obviously
betrayed France. Although the alliance were not yet obvious so it may be hasty
to call it a betrayal.
BG> But there must have been some lies told, and we are after those dirty
scoundrels as well!
DM> Certainly. It seems likely that Italy lied to and betrayed Turkey. At
least Russia seemed to keep his word based on the support for Rumania. Austria
is always under suspicion due to his actions last year.
GB> There seems to be too many betrayers out there for us to handle alone.
Perhaps we should team up with those Copy Cats.
DM> Perhaps we will, Boy Gambit. I just hope that they are not too furry. I
have allergies.
Message from Turkey to all
I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of betrayal,
as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria would
move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him. Over the years
I've generally been able to tell when someone is being straight with me and
when they're yanking my chain. I can usually smell a lark a mile away, let
alone a bald-faced lie. But you had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate sincerity.
And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up your
daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
The noble Turks pray to Allah for vengeance as they send another generation
of brave lads off to die in battle.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
The congratulations I sent in my broadcast were genuine. You had me fooled
completely.
I do not expect to survive long in this game. I have no doubt that you and
Austria will take me and Russia apart. You've both done an admirable job
playing us against each other, although I still lay a significant amount of
the blame on Russia. In any case, I rolled the dice on an IT, and it came
up craps. However, I'm hoping you can still help me out in one way before I
go.
Specifically, I'd like to know if there was any way it might have worked. I
tried everything I could to secure your alliance. I was straight with you
from the start, my actions certainly did nothing to threaten you, and I was
genuinely on board for an IT. Instead of a Turkish ally that couldn't
threaten you, you chose an Austria that will quickly become a behemoth.
Why?
Is it that you simply couldn't conceive of an IT alliance working out, as
you said in your first press to me? Was there something I said or did that
made you believe I wasn't on the level? Did you guess who I am, and bear
some grudge from a past game? Did I set myself up as too easy a mark to
pass up? Is Austria really your long-lost brother? Was there anything that
I could have done differently to have secured Italy as an ally?
I can accept a humiliating defeat in a Dip game, this won't be my first
such. This isn't the first time I've been stabbed by a prospective ally.
But I would be sincerely grateful if you can help me understand where I went
wrong.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
Let me just first say that, you're not dead yet. No harm has been done to
your nation. Sure, positionally you've taken a hit but a lot hinges on what
happens this fall to determine how many you take off or add.
I can't get to Smyrna without Austrian support. If he fails to deliver, for
whatever reason, it all starts over at ground zero for me.
>
> I'd like to know if there was any way it might have worked. I
> tried everything I could to secure your alliance. I was
> straight with you from the start, my actions certainly did
> nothing to threaten you, and I was genuinely on board for an IT.
> Instead of a Turkish ally that couldn't threaten you, you chose
> an Austria that will quickly become a behemoth.
> Why?
>
Tough question. Yes, it could have worked and I was genuine in seeking your
friendship. I spent two hours last night staring at the map and moving
pieces, re-reading press until I came to the conclusion that stabbing
Austria would be for short-term gain only. He'd immediately move his armies
back and it would be difficult for me to make continued progress against
him. Believe me, I agonized over the decision. It was a very difficult
choice.
Ultimately, I think the weakness of Russia played against you. With Russia
weak, Austria and I can have somewhat separate paths for growth
opportunities. Had Russia gotten a build last winter, Austria would not
have been so eager to continue north and so eager to help me against you.
> Is it that you simply couldn't conceive of an IT alliance
> working out, as you said in your first press to me?
No. I hate sending opening press along the lines of, "Hi, I'm Italy and I
want to be your friend". I try to send everybody a unique opening message.
I'll admit to playing a little dumb in my opening message to you. I'm quite
familiar with the IT alliance but unfortunately I chose another path this
game.
> Was there something I said or did that
> made you believe I wasn't on the level?
>
No, I believed you were on the level. I truly expected you to enter the
support order. Of course, there's always a little suspicion, but in this
case it was negligible.
> Did you guess who I am, and bear
> some grudge from a past game?
No and no. I haven't a clue who you are.
> Did I set myself up as too easy a mark to pass up?
This is probably true. It was difficult to turn down the EMS move.
> Is Austria really your long-lost brother?
God, I hope not. Funny you say this, because I kinda do have a long lost
brother.
> Was there anything that
> I could have done differently to have secured Italy as an ally?
>
I don't think so. I came very close to issuing the pro-Turkish orders but
in the end chose a different route.
> But I would be sincerely grateful if you can help me
> understand where I went wrong.
>
It's quite possible that in the EoG statements you'll be writing, "I told
you so Italy". I made the bed and now I have to sleep in it.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Italy
Despite his broadcast congratulations to you, Turkey seems to be a bit
annoyed with you :-) He is also congratulating me on how well I helped
set him up, apparently hoping to learn just how much I did know about
the setup. I haven't answered him, really; it's embarassing to admit
how little I did know about it.
Is there anything you'd like to feed him?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
> eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to
> me that Austria would move to Aeg, in the same breath
> he asked for support for Tun-Gre.
>
Just so you know, the first two parts are true. I agreed not to move to the
EMS if he build an army and I did leak to him the probability of you moving
to the Aegean. However, he offered the support after realizing that, if you
were indeed moving your fleet, the convoy would be successful. I suspect he
was looking for a way to create AI conflict.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> Let me just first say that, you're not dead yet. No harm has been done to
> your nation. Sure, positionally you've taken a hit but a lot hinges on
what
> happens this fall to determine how many you take off or add.
>
> I can't get to Smyrna without Austrian support. If he fails to deliver,
for
> whatever reason, it all starts over at ground zero for me.
I appreciate your candor, but I have to confess it's not very reassuring.
No harm has technically been done yet, but once you're in Smyrna it's only a
matter of time. I suppose I can hope that Austria somehow betrays you, but
I think you and I both know chances of that are slim. My expectation is
that I'll be lucky to hold onto 4 units this year.
> Tough question. Yes, it could have worked and I was genuine in seeking
your
> friendship. I spent two hours last night staring at the map and moving
> pieces, re-reading press until I came to the conclusion that stabbing
> Austria would be for short-term gain only. He'd immediately move his
armies
> back and it would be difficult for me to make continued progress against
> him. Believe me, I agonized over the decision. It was a very difficult
> choice.
Hm, well I suppose you know what you're doing. I would have thought that,
as you once said yourself, a strong land-based Turkey would be better for
Italy in the long run than a strong land-based Austria. And whatever
happens, Austria is sure to come out of this very very strong. Had things
gone as I had hoped, Russia would have been able to apply enough
anti-Austrian pressure that I think he'd have collapsed in short order. But
it's all academic at this point.
Ironic that my enthusiasm for the IT came from what I perceived as long-term
advantages, but you saw only short-term gain in it for Italy.
> Ultimately, I think the weakness of Russia played against you. With
Russia
> weak, Austria and I can have somewhat separate paths for growth
> opportunities. Had Russia gotten a build last winter, Austria would not
> have been so eager to continue north and so eager to help me against you.
Interesting conjecture. I would rather have believed that had I helped
Russia, it would have strengthened AI solidarity. Certainly, I would not
have expected you to join an IT had left the Black Sea DMZ, as Russia
wanted, or had I built a fleet in Smyrna, as Austria wanted.
> No, I believed you were on the level. I truly expected you to enter the
> support order. Of course, there's always a little suspicion, but in this
> case it was negligible.
I find this most fascinating. I often choose an ally by who I think is
being the most straightforward with me, and who I believe the most. A naive
approach, perhaps, but one that's served me well until now. I honestly
thought in this case that was you. This serves as a reminder of the old
mistake of assuming others will respond the way I would.
> > Did I set myself up as too easy a mark to pass up?
>
> This is probably true. It was difficult to turn down the EMS move.
Well, my bad then. Although I have to say, this seems to contradict the
assertion that you attacked me due to long-term considerations. I usually
see the "easy mark" as a short-term gain primarily. I'm not trying to argue
with you, and I definitely appreciate your answering my questions, I'm just
still trying to understand.
> > Was there anything that
> > I could have done differently to have secured Italy as an ally?
>
> I don't think so. I came very close to issuing the pro-Turkish orders but
> in the end chose a different route.
Heh heh. Well at least I have that, then.
> It's quite possible that in the EoG statements you'll be writing, "I told
> you so Italy". I made the bed and now I have to sleep in it.
I think you'll be sleeping comfortably, though you may have to dodge
Austria's elbows now and again.
It seems from your press that you've chosen to stick with Austria as an
ally, at least until Russia and I are out of it. If I assume that Austria
does stick with AI (and I must certainly assume that at this point), then
there is little I can do. If, however, you decide at some point that
Austria is not the ally you really want long-term, then I'm the kind of
player that is ready and willing to let bygones be bygones and start fresh.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Despite his broadcast congratulations to you, Turkey seems to be a bit
> annoyed with you :-)
>
No, really? I'm shocked.
>
> Is there anything you'd like to feed him?
>
Not really. Feel free to tell him the truth. I have nothing to hide.
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
>
> Amusing! But I think you know that I would like nothing more
> than your participation in southern France. You even have a
> spare army in Tyrolia.
>
I'll get there as fast as I can. I've got a little Turkey gravy that
spilled that I have to mop up first though.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
Once again, Austria is not divulging his moves. Just vague references to
what he might do. He has agreed to support Tun-Smy and he made mention of
trying to outguess you. So, if I had to guess, I'd say he'll try for either
War or Mos. I know, not much to go on but that's all I've got so far.
Turkey didn't go for the assertion that our treaty didn't extend into 1902.
:)
Looks like I was wrong out west. For what it's worth, I think it will take
some time for EG to take out France so hopefully there will be ample time
for the east to settle before we head west.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from Turkey in 'titleist':
> I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of
betrayal,
> as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
> some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
> shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
> eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria
would
> move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
> leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
> No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him.
While this might be interpreted as criticizm of the St. Petersburg
Pravda's
report of Archduke Ferdinand's breaking of the Galician DMZ, let me assure
the leaders of Europe that after intense questioning, the Foreign Ministry
official who leaked the treaty to "Pravda" indicated that he did so, not
because
he was distressed by Austria-Hungary's betrayal of trust, but rather because
he was disgusted by the lame and obviously insincere manner in which the
Austrian Ambassador attempted to claim that move was necessary for
Austrian self-defense.
> And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up
your
> daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Could somebody hand me a broom? 8-)
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> He has agreed to support Tun-Smy and he made mention of
> trying to outguess you.
Are you sure you can trust him to support you? He has to worry
about Bul-Gre and Bul S Rum-Ser, and must be tempted by Aeg-Con.
> So, if I had to guess, I'd say he'll try for either War or Mos.
Gee, do you think so? 8-) Based on what I've said and done so far,
which Center do you think I'll defend? Would you care to share that
opinion with Idalia, (you might wonder how I know her name...) and
mention that if you were Austria you'd try for the other? You could
offer similar opinions regarding Gre/Ser/Rum as a "good ally", and be
truly distressed when it turns out that RT went the other way.
> Turkey didn't go for the assertion that our treaty didn't extend into
> 1902. :)
I didn't think he would, but it was a better explanation than, "You
might have ordered Ukr-Rum, I had to defend myself!' 8-)
> Life is Beautiful,
For you, maybe... ;^)
Nick.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 16 Results:
German Jens Voight outmuscled and outdueled Australian
Brad McGee for a win today, adding a stage win to Credit
Agricole's excellent Tour so far. It looks like I picked
the wrong French team. Morceau (the winner of the
prologue) had dropped out. No one receives points in our
game.
The overall standings near the top did not change. There
was a late crash in the pack that knocked five riders out
of the race with injuries. How disappointing to make it
so far and then not finish due to an injury. They can
sit at the side lines and dream of what could have been.
It looks like Armstrong will win the Tour. Therefore it
seems almost certain that England will win our little
game. The Dauphin is currently planning where to take
his sister. His first priority, get some decent food in
her. She must be tired of that English rot. Then some
wine. Then some more wine .....
Is this English win in our game a prelude to a bigger
win? Time will tell.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Partly why I'm in Tyrolia right now. It will keep him
>on his toes. I won't consider any moves that will
>jeopardize his trust in me though until you're
>at least in Burgundy in which case Tyrolia might be
>useful.
Thank you. But if you were to hit Munich that might
increase my odds of being in Burgundy. I am sure that
you can argue it away to Germany. Just tell him that it
is not in your best interest to see me fall so quickly.
What is he going to do, open another front?
What if I said pretty please? Got down on my knees and
begged? I realize that I am asking a lot. But if I do
not ask there is no chance, right?
>You can be safe in knowing though that Germany will not
>be able to pull the old end-around
>to get to Piedmont via Tyrolia.
For that much I thank you.
>If there is anything I can do for you, just let me know.
See above :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Ali:
>No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate
>him. You had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
>hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate
>sincerity.
I feel your pain. Ivy can give him a run for his money
in that department. Perhaps they can form a club. Then
they can play Turkey and France next game and we can all
gang up on them :-)
>the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Don't you mean the JuggerNOT. :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to England, France, Italy, and Russia
Gentlemen:
Please excuse my silence yesterday and today. There are 38 new
emails waiting for me today. And I haven't answered yesterday's yet.
But have no fear I'll be up to date shortly, and I'll respond to
everyone.
The good news is that I'm putting events that have been taking up my
time behind me continuously, and nothing is being added to the front
end. Last night was our big quarterly ski club meeting. Since I'm the
president, it's probably a good thing that I go. And of course I have
to socialize with the members afterwards. Wouldn't be right not to.
(No more ski club trouble for 3 months now)
BTW being in a ski club doesn't give away anything in a gunboat game.
I've heard that the biggest ski clubs are in Miami and Houston. Maybe
that's where I am.
Fredd
Message from Austria to Italy
> Not really. Feel free to tell him the truth. I have nothing to hide.
I'm telling him a mix of truth and spin. No interesting response yet, I'm
afraid.
Did I miss a response about Tyrolia? I had asked for Tyr-Boh.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> Did I miss a response about Tyrolia? I had asked for Tyr-Boh.
Yes. I will re-send tomorrow when I have access to my 'Sent Items'.
France is requesting Tyr-Mun to help him reach Burgundy (or prevent Germany
from getting there). I'm currently considering that move as well.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
> Are you sure you can trust him to support you? He has to worry
> about Bul-Gre and Bul S Rum-Ser, and must be tempted by Aeg-Con.
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him but what choice do I have now?
One thing I have going for me is it's a guarantee to succeed. And, if he
fails to order the support and covers Greece instead, there is a decent
chance Turkey would get a build.
> Based on what I've said and done so far, which Center do you think I'll
> defend?
Not sure, but I think he'll go for Moscow. I don't think he can afford not
to move Gal-Rum.
> Would you care to share that opinion with Idalia,
> (you might wonder how I know her name...)
Now that you mention it, yes, I do wonder how you know.
> and mention that if you were Austria you'd try for the other?
Let me think about it and see if I can figure out which province you'd be
more likely to defend. But, if I think it's best that he try for Moscow and
use Galicia for Rumania, then it would be difficult for me to argue any
other way.
I truly don't know what Austria will order. I do think he made less than
optimal orders in the spring and thus his current position is full of
guesses. He seems over paranoid about the possibility of Tyr-Tri. If it
weren't for the fact that it's tactically better for me to eliminate Turkey
first, I'd stab him immediately.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> I don't trust him as far as I can throw him but what choice do
> I have now? One thing I have going for me is it's a guarantee
> to succeed. And, if he fails to order the support and covers
> Greece instead, there is a decent chance Turkey would get a
> build.
It's guaranteed ONLY if Austria orders Aeg S Tun-Smy,
though, and I have a set of orders available to me that gives
me two builds and forces him to disband one, if Austria guesses
wrong. Is he THAT concern about Turkey building a Fleet and
slowing your growth?
> > Would you care to share that opinion with Idalia,
> > (you might wonder how I know her name...)
>
> Now that you mention it, yes, I do wonder how you know.
Let's just say that you should be less than certain about her
loyalty to you, and the privacy of the communications channels
between Vienna and Rome.
> I truly don't know what Austria will order. I do think he made
> less than optimal orders in the spring and thus his current position
> is full of guesses. He seems over paranoid about the possibility
> of Tyr-Tri. If it weren't for the fact that it's tactically better for
> me to eliminate Turkey first, I'd stab him immediately.
Let's look at the worst-case scenario for a moment. Austria
guesses right, takes Mos or War, Rum, and Con, and builds
three. Are you sure that a 5-Center Turkey with 3 Armies and
a Fleet in Bla is more threatening to you than that?
Your Concerned Friend,
Nicky.
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>I'll get there as fast as I can. I've got a little Turkey gravy that
>spilled that I have to mop up first though.
Ah, yes.
Do give some thought to long range strategic considerations. Once any
Austria has a head of steam its solo opportunities are tremendous. So many
centers lie within easy reach. For starters, I assume you have made it
clear that Austria must never build a fleet.
The other problem with the Italian side of an AI alliance is that Italy is
so strung out across the Mediterranean. You will have to defend your
Turkish territory and your homeland while trying to pick up French centers
in the west. This is a nightmare. Austria, however, remains very compact.
The good news for you is that AI will progress faster than EG. But please,
be very careful with Austria. Never let him get the upper hand.
There is always the possibility of Tyr-Trieste, Ion-adr, & eas-ion !! Give
all those spectators some first-rate entertainment.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Your Concerned Friend,
>
I'm getting confused. What exactly are you asking me to do.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
Here is a copy of a message I previously sent you prior to the spring
adjudication.
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Diplomacy notice: titleist
>
> :: Judge: USIN Game: Titleist Variant: Standard Gunboat
> :: Deadline: S1902M Tue Jul 24 2001 23:30:00 -0500
>
> Message sent to Austria:
>
> Message from Italy to Austria in 'titleist':
>
> > But I would still prefer the army to move to Boh, so that I don't
> > have to consider my vulnerability to a stab which includes Tyr-Tri
> > in the fall.
>
> Russia has told me flat out that if I move to Bohemia, any
> deal involving
> AIR against Turkey would be out of the question. I'd prefer
> to hold in
> Tyrolia until progress has been made on Turkey.
>
> I have no doubts that taking Warsaw from Russia will be a
> simple exercise in
> tactics whenever we decide to make that move.
>
> I'll be much more comfortable moving the army north once I
> have another
> fleet in hand to defend against anything France might have in
> mind and we're
> well on our way to finishing off Turkey.
>
> I understand your analysis and definitely reconsidered the
> move but I think
> it best for Italy to hold Tyrolia at this point. I'm glad to
> hear that it
> will not jeapordize our alliance because I think we have the
> best shot at
> making progress than anybody else. I might be proven wrong
> here shortly,
> but that's what I would think as a side observer just looking at
> the map for the
> first time.
>
> Life is Beautiful,
>
> Roberto
>
> End of message.
>
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
>What exactly are you asking me to do.
My apologies, it was not my intention to confuse
you. Aeg has 3 reasonable moves this Fall.
1) Aeg S Tun-Smy - This takes a Center from Turkey,
a good thing, and gives you a build, not necessarily
a good thing from Austria's perspective.
2) Aeg-Gre - This blocks Bul-Gre (or Tun-Gre), but
is counter-productive unless he's sure one of those
moves will occur.
3) Aeg-Con - This is almost certain to take Con,
since TF Bla has more important things to do and
Smy-Con is unlikely.
Will he take the sure thing (#1), and give you a
build that you may use against him? Or will he choose
option 2 or 3?
Tyl-Tri/Vie, Tun-Gre gives you one or, most
likely, two builds, without relying on Austrian
support for only one build, at the cost of possibly
giving Turkey a build, if Austria doesn't take Rum.
Given your stated opinion of Austria's reliability,
the choice seems like an easy one to make. If he
gets lucky and takes Con, Rum and Mos, do you really
want him building three?
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> It's guaranteed ONLY if Austria orders Aeg S Tun-Smy,
>
Of course, that is what I meant.
> though, and I have a set of orders available to me that gives
> me two builds and forces him to disband one, if Austria guesses
> wrong.
Which can only mean you have an agreement with EG to take Sweden presumably
to build an army and then they take Sweden from you the following year and
you disband the northern fleet. Sounds like a good plan for everybody in
the north.
The second build would come via Sev-Rum support from BLA with Rum-Ser
support from Bul succeeding. I could live with that. Yet, these same set
of moves leave you with the possibility of having only a single center come
the winter if you are betrayed. Can't blame you for taking some risks at
this point though.
> Is he THAT concern about Turkey building a Fleet and
> slowing your growth?
>
Probably not, but if he wants my support in the future, he should be.
>
> Let's just say that you should be less than certain about her
> loyalty to you, and the privacy of the communications channels
> between Vienna and Rome.
>
A little too vague. Got anything more specific?
>
> Let's look at the worst-case scenario for a moment. Austria
> guesses right, takes Mos or War, Rum, and Con, and builds
> three. Are you sure that a 5-Center Turkey with 3 Armies and
> a Fleet in Bla is more threatening to you than that?
>
The worst case scenario you describe should not come to fruition since
Turkey should not issue Smy to hold. Austria has essentially three options
for the Aegean fleet (he can't use it to support an action in Bulgaria since
he can't prevent the retreat to Greece): 1) support Tun-Smy, 2) order
Aeg-Con, or 3) order Aeg-Gre. Near as I can tell, option #3 is extremely
doubtful which leaves either 1 or 2. Turkey should order Smy-Con since if
Austria orders option #1, Turkey would end up in Con anyway after the
retreat and if Austria orders option #2, it would be a bounce. There should
be no guess work involved in Constantinople the fall.
[just read your latest message] continuing....please note the difference in
opinion in the Smyrna order. Perhaps Turkey has told you otherwise.
Given the above moves that you alluded to and that I specified, the only way
for Austria to take Rum AND War/Mos is if you don't defend Mos. To take
Warsaw requires two units; to take Rumania requires two units. He can't do
both if there is an equal attack on Rumania or Rumania simply receives a
support.
At best, Austria should only gain one; at worst, he could take one off
(unless I intervene in which case he could lose up to three).
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
Just so you know, everybody but FG are asking me to stab you (and I suspect
England speaks for Germany as well - I wouldn't expect Germany to directly
ask me to stab you). To calm any fears you may have, it's not going to
happen. I could write a novel as to why but that would simply be wasting my
time to write it and your time to read it.
I do want to make it clear though that I fully expect Tun-Smy to succeed
this fall. My shipbuilders have been hard at work this past year and they
tell me the newest fleet is ready to be commissioned. They are preparing a
big party. And you know how unruly and irrational Italians can get when
their anticipated party is delayed.
In addition, Russia has queried me as to Austrian intentions this fall. Of
course, I don't know anything so I can't tell him anything unless, of
course, you'd like me to pass along some 'juicy information' that may or may
not be accurate.
Needless to say, RT intentions are a state secret. They do appear to have
several options at their disposal. Let me know if you care to discuss
possible moves and counter-moves.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
France has requested Tyr-Mun. I'm assuming this will screw up your plans,
but, if it doesn't, perhaps I can fool France into thinking I might be on
his side. Of course, I will not make the order without your explicit
written instructions.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> What if I said pretty please? Got down on my knees and
> begged?
>
Can I have a date with the Dauphin's sister? That way, when Armstrong wins
the Tour, Ivy would just get the 'sloppy seconds'. :)
Seriously, I'll give it some thought but it's unlikely at this time.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Can I have a date with the Dauphin's sister? That way,
>when Armstrong wins the Tour, Ivy would just get the
>'sloppy seconds'. :)
We have no sisters that we know of. However many Kings
do have illegitamate children. If we discovery any, we
will let you know.
I do thank you for considering my request on Munich. I
understand why you do not wish to attack it. But let me
give you some incentive. Your attacking Munich will
guarantee that I get to Burgundy, which in turn will put
me in position to work with you on taking Munich.
There is no reason that Italy and France can not be more
active allies. Even if you decline this season, since it
is a fall turn. I hope that you would consider building
and army in Venice and then moving to Bohemia and
Tyrolia. Munich could be yours in a way that you could
keep.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> >Can I have a date with the Dauphin's sister? That way,
> >when Armstrong wins the Tour, Ivy would just get the
> >'sloppy seconds'. :)
> We have no sisters that we know of. However many Kings
> do have illegitamate children. If we discovery any, we
> will let you know.
>
I'll admit to being slightly confused in the Tour prize as the Dauphin gets
a date with Ivy's sister, not the other way around, but I do recall
something about a 90-year old chamber maid being the assistant to your
sister. I understand you wanting to protect your sister from the 'Great
Roberto', but, if you want a favor in Munich, you're going to have to cough
her up. :)
> Even if you decline this season, since it
> is a fall turn. I hope that you would consider building
> and army in Venice and then moving to Bohemia and
> Tyrolia. Munich could be yours in a way that you could
> keep.
>
I will most definitely keep this in mind. In return, would it be possible
for you to send good word to Austria about the importance of supporting my
convoy to Tunis?
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> > I have a set of orders available to me that gives
> > me two builds and forces him to disband one,
>Which can only mean you have an agreement with EG to take Sweden presumably
>to build an army and
>then they take Sweden from you the following year and you disband the
>northern fleet.
It does sound like a good plan, but I don't
have the agreement, unfortuantely. France maintains
that Ivy's going to StP for the quick build, and
Germany is taking Swe. Germany has yet to respond
to my proposal.
>The second build would come via Sev-Rum support from BLA with Rum-Ser
>support from Bul succeeding.
Yes, and that seems unlikely to me, frankly.
>Is he THAT concerned about Turkey building a Fleet and slowing your growth?
>Probably not, but if he wants my support in the
>future, he should be.
Yes, but he hasn't shown any real vision of
the future up until now, has he?
> > you should be less certain about the privacy of
> > the communications channels between Vienna and Rome.
>A little too vague. Got anything more specific?
France expects Nwy-StP, Bal-Swe, but Austria
seems certain that EG will let me take Swe.
>The worst case scenario you describe should not
>come to fruition since Turkey should not issue
>Smy to hold.
I agree, but Ali seems to expect Aeg-Gre, which
lets Smy HOLD deny you the build.
>At best, Austria should only gain one; at worst,
>he could take one off (unless I intervene in which
>case he could lose up to three).
Hmmm, your characterization of best-case,
worst-case differs from mine considerably. I wish you
well with your Austrian ally, but will just point out
that stabbing Austria now gives you two builds almost
certainly, while relying on his support gives you one,
if and only if Austria remains faithful.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to England and Germany
My reporters are out and about collecting nominations for the 1902 Titleist
awards. They've uncovered some noteworthy nominations including 'Nwy-Stp'
and 'Bal s Den-Swe'. Exactly how accurate are these nominations?
Van Lingle Mungo
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I did have a sister. But she was an Ivy supporter and
when he betrayed us, the Dauphin had her beheaded.
(Acutally I hid her in a Nunnery and the chambermaid was
sent to the guillotine. If I can sneak her out of the
country I will send her your way.)
>In return, would it be possible for you to send good
>word to Austria about the importance of supporting my
>convoy to Tunis?
Why do you want to convoy to Tunis? You are already
there? I am guessing you mean the convoy from Tunis to
Smyrna. I will mention it when I write to Ms. Felicia.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
> Why do you want to convoy to Tunis? You are already
> there? I am guessing you mean the convoy from Tunis to
> Smyrna. I will mention it when I write to Ms. Felicia.
>
I hate it when I type too fast for my brain. Smyrna indeed. A convoy to
Tunis at this point would be a really bad move.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> France expects Nwy-StP, Bal-Swe, but Austria
> seems certain that EG will let me take Swe.
>
I've sent my nominations crew to EG to uncover the truth.
>
> I wish you well with your Austrian ally, but will
> just point out that stabbing Austria now gives you
> two builds almost certainly, while relying on his
> support gives you one, if and only if Austria remains
> faithful.
>
I'm getting the impression that you see IR relations deteriorating. I
thought you wanted me to move to EMS to relieve pressure on Sev. Once that
occurred, I don't see the advantage to Italy to upset yet another neighbor.
I'm still hopeful that the IR alliance will eventually work but in my mind
Turkey must be eliminated first.
If there is a set of moves to prevent both Austria AND Turkey from gaining a
build, I'm all for executing those moves. Barring that, my preference is to
continue against Turkey (whom I've already clearly upset) rather than taking
on another front against Austria at this time.
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
>I thought you wanted me to move to EMS to relieve
>pressure on Sev.
Yes, I did, and it has, though I did drop you
a note saying you didn't have to move to EMed as
Turkey spoke up, and it became increasingly clear
how insincere Austria was and is.
>I'm still hopeful that the IR alliance will
>eventually work but in my mind Turkey must be
>eliminated first.
I would welcome IR, but I suspect that by the
time Turkey is eliminated, Austria will be so large,
and I will be so small, that IR vs. A will not be
practical. I could gain two this year, if I order
Sev-Rum, GoB-Swe, and properly defend War/Mos/Sev,
but I suspect the most likely result is a 50-50
chance of staying even, or losing one.
>my preference is to continue against Turkey (whom
>I've already clearly upset) rather than taking
>on another front against Austria at this time.
I understand that, but in my view, even if
Turkey builds F Con, he's still not a threat to
you, especially if you build two from Austrian
Centers. Ali is likely to cooperate with IRT
vs. A, in the hope of following up with RT vs. I,
and I think that you risk having Austria grow too
large if you don't stab now. If you continue to
work with Austria, I'll continue to talk to you,
and hope to survive long enough to work with you,
but I'm not optomistic.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
>From the tone of your press, it seems you feel your course is set. However,
I would be remiss if I didn't make a last-ditch appeal to you. As you
pointed out, no blood has been shed between us yet. I think I can safely
say, you'll never have a better opportunity to stab Austria than you do
right now. You can waltz into either Vie or Tri, and Greece is still yours
if you want it.
In the short term, you'll be stronger with two builds than the one that
you'd gain in Smyrna. In the long term, you would be better off by virtue
of your ownership of Austrian centers, giving you a strong central position,
and you'd have a land-based Turkey who would basically do whatever you want
in gratitude for your friendship. Russia is unlikely to gain anything this
turn, meaning he'd still be weak, but strong enough to apply the pressure
needed to make Austria collapse quickly. There is no downside; you'll still
have unquestioned supremacy in the Mediterranean waters, and you'll have a
stronger position going into the mid-game.
Alternatively, if you stick with Austria, then he will grow more quickly
than you. At present, there is no way to retaliate against Italy; all my
attacks are against Austria. However, if it becomes evident that I'm headed
for a hasty exit, I'll probably throw my support to the Austrian in the end.
If you stick with me, you can have whatever Austrian or Baltic centers you
want. If you stick with Austria, you'd need to gain Greece and all of
Turkey to make it worthwhile; and I don't see Austria agreeing to all of
that. A/R conflict is firmly established, and the time has never been
better for us to cooperate instead of fighting each other.
I hope you will consider the above. It's not too late to turn things
around.
Ali Baba
Message from England to Italy
Mr. Mungo,
Now that I have an official partner, I must be more careful about comments
on policy. State secrets, ya know.
However, it just so happens that I have not heard from Germany since the
last moves, so there are no state secrets! Thats right, Germany has not
written. I should have known what I was getting into.
So, I will say this. It is unlikely that I will attempt Norway-StP. Can
you tell me why I should consider this? Doesn't it just make Austria's job
easier?
As for Sweden, I fully expect German to take Sweden.
I am very serious, Roberto (now I address Roberto, not Mungo), when I say
that Austria is in a very commanding position and as his ally you have the
primary responsibility of keeping him in check.
Ivy Wingo
>
>Message from Italy to England and Germany in 'titleist':
>
>My reporters are out and about collecting nominations for the 1902 Titleist
>awards. They've uncovered some noteworthy nominations including 'Nwy-Stp'
>and 'Bal s Den-Swe'. Exactly how accurate are these nominations?
>
>Van Lingle Mungo
Message from Austria to Italy
> In addition, Russia has queried me as to Austrian intentions this fall.
> Of course, I don't know anything so I can't tell him anything unless, of
> course, you'd like me to pass along some 'juicy information' that may or
> may not be accurate.
I can't think of anything to pass on.
If I were sure of Bla s Sev-Rum, I could get cute, with Bud s Sev-Rum.
Unwanted support that does more than ruin a self-bounce.
Do you have any suggestions or particular moves you'd like, besides Aeg s
Tun-Smy?
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to England
> It is unlikely that I will attempt Norway-StP. Can
> you tell me why I should consider this? Doesn't it just make
> Austria's job easier?
>
No and yes respectively. I would encourage you not to take STP this fall.
> As for Sweden, I fully expect German to take Sweden.
>
As do I. I see no reason why Germany would not. The question is, which
unit moves and which supports?
However, if you and Germany were interested in slowly down Austria, letting
Russia into Sweden (and not taking STP) would be a good thing, no?
> I am very serious, Roberto (now I address Roberto, not
> Mungo), when I say that Austria is in a very commanding
> position and as his ally you have the
> primary responsibility of keeping him in check.
>
I understand and realize that you will keep reminding me of this fact. I
will do my best to fulfill your wishes and keep Austria in check.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> I can't think of anything to pass on.
>
Didn't think so. Like he'd believe me anyway.
> If I were sure of Bla s Sev-Rum, I could get cute, with Bud s Sev-Rum.
> Unwanted support that does more than ruin a self-bounce.
>
That would be an interesting situation although I would think the above move
would be accompanied by Bul s Rum-Ser in which case Serbia would be
dislodged.
> Do you have any suggestions or particular moves you'd like,
> besides Aeg s Tun-Smy?
>
I can't see one set of moves that is better than another. There are a lot
of possibilities and it's a matter of 'out-guessing' the opponent. I wish
you luck my friend.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Do you remain committed to Tun-Gre? If so adding Tyl-Vie/Tri would
keep Austria and Turkey from building... (You asked for a way to do it. 8-)
It would make you the dominant Power in the East, (something Italy rarely
accomplishes in 1902, and should even give you a two-unit advantage over
any one of ART. I would do my best to keep Turkey focused on Austria,
and pressure Ferdinand from the Northeast, so holding your gains, and
continuing to grow shouldn't be a problem.
Just an Idea,
Nicky.
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
> > As for Sweden, I fully expect German to take Sweden.
> >
>
>As do I. I see no reason why Germany would not. The question is, which
>unit moves and which supports?
If I were Germany I would never enter Sweden from Baltic. A Russian fleet
in the Baltic would be a huge headache. Why take the chance?
>However, if you and Germany were interested in slowly down Austria, letting
>Russia into Sweden (and not taking STP) would be a good thing, no?
This is probably too much to ask of Freddy.
Yeah, Freddy. The one I selected for my ally. He has not written since
the last moves. Unthinkable. What have I done?
The Boar is quite upset with me and he is probably right.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Italy
> > After further investigation, the following appears to be true.
> > England didn't know about MOS-STP.
>
> I'm not too sure about this. Shortly after the S1901 moves came in, I got a
> message from England. It was a "lots of conservative moves", just staying
> in touch type message. At the end, he says "just wondering if you knew why
> Russia moved to *FIN*" [emphasis mine]. Mind you, this was after the spring
> moves and Russia had only moved to STP. It was a slip and one I don't even
> think he knows he did. But, it makes me tend to think he knew about the
> move to STP and that it would be going to Finland.
Russia and England have said that Russia told England that the army in
STP would move to FIN right after the moves processed. This is probably
why he wrote FIN.
More to follow as I read down my long list of mail.
Fredd
Message from France to Austria and Italy
Ms. Felicia and Roberto
CC: Austrian Ambassador to Italy
I would like to formally apply to join your alliance. It
seems the best thing going around here. Here are my
qualifications:
* I am a lot of fun
* I communicate often
* I am reliable
* I am willing to discuss and work out agreed upon plans,
not try to force my own
* I happen to have access to the other side of both
stalemate lines you need to cross in Germany and into the
Atlantic
* I am the thing that is holding back your rival
alliance in England and Germany
My only request is that you keep me alive and that you
allow me the satisfaction of extracting revenge.
I realize that we will need to wait until after this move
to finalize an agreement. I just want to submit this
application
as soon as possible.
I really look forward to working with you guys. I hear
that A&I is a great place to work and grow a career as a
puppet and vigilante.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 17 Results:
Aside from a stab by the Germans (Jan Ullrich's team runs
over lance Armstong) it is apparent that England will win
out TdF game. Barring injury, Lance Armstrong will
certainly hold on to the Yellow Jersey. The only
interesting
battle is for the Green Jersey (sprinters points).
O'Grady leads Zabel by 11 points, but has lost a point
each day.
They are awarded based on the first so many riders to
cross the finish line and at some intermediate places.
That
race may come down to the final sprint into Paris.
Serge Baguet won today's stage. No points were awarded
in our game.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
I've been slow in my press, and now I must pay. Hours of reading and
writing. I did ask for a day extension. I might not get it as I don't
have a good excuse. But I'm not going to turn my orders in until
tomorrow anyway.
I really hadn't looked at the board since the last moves processed.
You and Austria have been busy. You've got Turkey by the throat. I
must admit that I saw it coming.
Why would you go TYR-MUN this turn? That should never go. Perhaps
France will support me to BUR? I'd like that, providing that you DON'T
go to MUN.
For a titleist award, I can't speak for England. But DEN - SWE? Being
the suspicious type I won't leave a center open for England to walk
right in in 1902.
So what's the Italian plan for world domination? You have an excellent
chance to stab Austria this turn. I doubt if you'll take it though. You
guys have a good thing going. Turkey will fall, then Russia. At that
point you guys should be huge. I wonder how EFG will look at that
time. If I were a betting man, I'd say that neither you nor Austria
will mess with me until Turkey and Russia are almost gone. Then it'll
be time to head north, or to stab each other.
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
> But I'm not going to turn my orders in until tomorrow anyway.
This will not make our esteemed moderator happy but what he's going to do,
kick you out?
> Why would you go TYR-MUN this turn?
I would only do that if it was not going to interfere with your plans. The
idea being, it might fool France into thinking I will help me. Sounds like
you're planning on using Munich so I will hold. Just thought I'd ask. The
more France thinks I'm willing to help, the more information I can divulge
from him.
> For a titleist award, I can't speak for England. But DEN - SWE?
> Being the suspicious type I won't leave a center open for England
> to walk right in in 1902.
Interesting, since England responded that Germany shouldn't move Baltic ->
Sweden because of the risk of a Russia fleet moving into the Baltic. Sounds
like there may be a difference of opinion. Any chance you would allow
Russia access to Finland? Ok, dumb question.
> So what's the Italian plan for world domination?
<blush> I don't have one. I'm just trying to survive. I've upset the Turk
so it's the consensus of the Italian military that he must be eliminated.
After that, I will reconsider all options.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message [from Austria] to all
While I was one of those who received a "late" notice, my orders are in.
If I have an error flag, this message is to clear it.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
I wonder who we're waiting for? Did you come to
a decision regarding the Turkish Attack vs. the Austrian
Attack vs. taking one from each of them? Care to share
that decision with me? 8-) My orders are in and won't
be changing; we'll have to see how well I second-guessed
Austria. I finally heard from Germany, half an hour
before the deadline, again. Does he really expect to
succeed at this level without negotiating?
An Impatient,
Nick.
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis → Smyrna
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Warsaw (*dislodged*)
Austria: Army Serbia HOLD
Austria: Army Ukraine → Warsaw
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Irish Sea
England: Fleet London SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway → Norwegian Sea
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Gascony SUPPORT Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Picardy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel → Munich
Germany: Army Munich → Bohemia
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tunis → Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Livonia → Moscow
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol SUPPORT Turkish Army Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Russian Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Army Smyrna HOLD (*dislodged*)
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