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Message [from Germany] to all
Ye Ha Buckeroos.
We have.
AI vs RT
and
EG vs F
Least it looks that way to me. Other opinions are welcome.
The Phantom (knows)
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
Ah, yes! yes!
We are allies in deed now, not just in words. Thank you very much.
France made the moves that he designed as part of his anti-German plan. He
asked to get into the Channel so he could support Pic->Bel in the fall,
while I was supposed to take Holland. He said he would hold in Portugal so
as not to threaten me and would rush to the German border with the Paris
army.
Get prepared for lots of sugary sweet talk from France. Be polite to him,
but treat him as you would any tele-marketer. He will remain very, very
dangerous until he loses his first center. We will have to work together
carefully.
I don't mind the Kiel s Holland. Perfectly reasonable insurance.
Sweden is a cakewalk for you.
Let's catch our breaths and design our next moves.
Faithfully yours,
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
Nice job turning England against me. I felt good about
my chances of him siding with me. I was also trying to
keep my options open to side with you as well. That
doors is not closed. With Austria and Italy likely to
grow large quickly, do you realy want to be caught in
between a large England and Austria? At least France is
at your flank and would have Italy in my face. Besides I
am not likely to be large after this set back.
My original preference was for an FG alliance. I was
leaning towards the FE because we had a lot more
communication in the beginning. Clearly an England that
can negotiate walking into both Belgium and Norway when
there could have been opposition to both is very skilled
and dangerous.
I still feel that you are putting your neck in a noose
choosing an EG. England will be exactly where you said
he could not be in such an alliance. He will be at both
Flanks (northern Scan and France). Coupling that with a
large Austria .... It is just a matter of time before
the pincher move while you defend against Austria (who
will have Russia before you can get a share).
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
When pondering the board I see that there is still a
chance to hurt England before it is too late. All you
have to do is find something for him to do with the North
Sea other than support Belgium. If he is secure it in,
you could support me to Belgium. I am even
willing to help you take it first, but I think you
might be warry of being too large relative to your
neighbors. Another alternative is for you to attack the
North Sea from Denmark. This breaks that support. You
would need to count Russia ordering GoB to St. Petes,
which I think is *highly* likely. I can even push hard
to accomplish it. I imagine that you would not want to
talk too much to Russia about it so it does not get back
to England. That is where I could be of service.
I think that if you played things correctly, we would
each get a build and England would lose one. Do you
really want that monster at your back? Further, by
influencing his moves, you could set yourself up to
hasten your entry into the North Sea. I am willing to
make that a top priority over my invasion of England.
His forces would be focussed on me. If he is not willing
to do that, what is he up to?
I am not trying to grow too large, just on par or
slightly behind you. I will not have fleets hanging
around where they can nab several of your centers at any
time. Therefore you would not have to waste so many
units keeping an eye on me, as you would have to do with
England.
-- Prince Boar
Message [from Austria] to all
BG> Holey Rubbergundy Diploman, they bounced again!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, both Germany and France seem to be more afraid of the other occupying Burgundy than wanting to occupy it themselfs.
BG> Are there any alliances yet?
DM> There's an RT, an EG, and an AI.
BG> Oh! France has no ally?
DM> That would appear to be correct, Boy Gambit.
BG> You mentioned RT? You mean, Russia and Turkey?
DM> Correct again, Boy Gambit.
BG> But the other powers will never permit that. Everyone knows the RT alliance is far too powerful. And didn't Russia open against England?
DM> The other powers seem to be encouraging it. Look, both Saint Petersburg and Sweden were left for Russia.
BG> Wow! So the other powers are afraid of AI!
DM> I don't think so Boy Gambit. Do you have another idea?
BG> Sorry, Diploman. I just don't understand it.
DM> Consider, Boy Gambit, what happens when England and Germany attack France.
BG> Don't they win, Diploman?
DM> Indeed, Boy Gambit. But who gets the southern French centers?
BG> Oh! Italy gets most of them.
DM> Unless?
BG> Unless Italy has to fight in the East! Wow, Diploman, this game is really complicated! So England and Germany are promoting the RT alliance so
they don't have to share the spoils in France?
DM> It certainly looks that way, Boy Gambit.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Impostors Diploman, someone is trying to steal our gig!
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, when you become popular there always will be copy cats. At
least they cannot duplicate our nifty outfits.
BG> I bet they even wear underwear under their leotards!
DM> Uh hum, there is no need to reveal all our secrets.
BG> They do not even know that our role is to bring the betrayers to justice!
DM> Yes, they have other motives. Turning to our responsibilities, the obvious
targets are those that appear to be the winners. England and Germany obviously
betrayed France. Although the alliance were not yet obvious so it may be hasty
to call it a betrayal.
BG> But there must have been some lies told, and we are after those dirty
scoundrels as well!
DM> Certainly. It seems likely that Italy lied to and betrayed Turkey. At
least Russia seemed to keep his word based on the support for Rumania. Austria
is always under suspicion due to his actions last year.
GB> There seems to be too many betrayers out there for us to handle alone.
Perhaps we should team up with those Copy Cats.
DM> Perhaps we will, Boy Gambit. I just hope that they are not too furry. I
have allergies.
Message from Turkey to all
I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of betrayal,
as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria would
move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him. Over the years
I've generally been able to tell when someone is being straight with me and
when they're yanking my chain. I can usually smell a lark a mile away, let
alone a bald-faced lie. But you had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate sincerity.
And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up your
daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
The noble Turks pray to Allah for vengeance as they send another generation
of brave lads off to die in battle.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Freddy,
Well what can I say, I bought into Italy's proposals, and he's taken me to
the cleaners. More fool me, as I said in my broadcast. In any case, it is
clear now that AI are joined at the hip, and I think they're about to tear
me and Russia to pieces. I don't know if Germany priorities include
propping up Russia, but I fear that if you do not, Austria will become a
behemoth. Indeed, even with your help Russia would have a tough time of it.
I will fight on as best I can, but my prospects are certainly dim. Neither
Austria nor Italy has any strong opponents on the board, so realistically I
can't think of any way to prevail as long as they remain allies. I can only
hope that you and England will become strong enough to offset AI in the end
game.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Frederick,
By the way, one thing you should know. Austria accidentally sent a press to
me that was clearly intended for Italy. He is urging Italy to order
Tyr-Boh. Since you may have some feelings in the matter, I thought you
should be aware of it.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Russia to England and Germany
Gentlemen,
I, obviously, realize that Germany can take Sweden, if he so chooses,
but I ask you both to consider whether doing so at this point makes the
most sense. While the broadcasts proclaim the Juggernaut, the RT
alliance is clearly one of desperation, which will need a fair measure of
luck this Fall to hold its own against AI. Allowing me to take Swe has
several advantages for you both. If I guess correctly in the south, it will
give me a build to throw at Austria, which will likely stagnate the East,
and give you the time you need to eliminate France. It will also limit
your common front, and reduce the possibility of a stab, while giving
France a reason to remain in contact with me, which may allow me to
provide you with useful intelligence. I hope you will consider the wisdom
of this course.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from Turkey in 'titleist':
> I usually have to chuckle when someone broadcasts a sad lament of
betrayal,
> as if betrayal isn't a part of Diplomacy, generally including a quote from
> some private press which proves the dastardliness of the traitor beyond a
> shadow of doubt. So I will not quote Italy's promise not to move into
> eastern waters if I built an army, nor his warning to me that Austria
would
> move to Aeg, in the same breath he asked for support for Tun-Gre. The
> leponto threat was clearly there, so more fool me for believing any of it.
> No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate him.
While this might be interpreted as criticizm of the St. Petersburg
Pravda's
report of Archduke Ferdinand's breaking of the Galician DMZ, let me assure
the leaders of Europe that after intense questioning, the Foreign Ministry
official who leaked the treaty to "Pravda" indicated that he did so, not
because
he was distressed by Austria-Hungary's betrayal of trust, but rather because
he was disgusted by the lame and obviously insincere manner in which the
Austrian Ambassador attempted to claim that move was necessary for
Austrian self-defense.
> And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up
your
> daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Could somebody hand me a broom? 8-)
Nick.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 16 Results:
German Jens Voight outmuscled and outdueled Australian
Brad McGee for a win today, adding a stage win to Credit
Agricole's excellent Tour so far. It looks like I picked
the wrong French team. Morceau (the winner of the
prologue) had dropped out. No one receives points in our
game.
The overall standings near the top did not change. There
was a late crash in the pack that knocked five riders out
of the race with injuries. How disappointing to make it
so far and then not finish due to an injury. They can
sit at the side lines and dream of what could have been.
It looks like Armstrong will win the Tour. Therefore it
seems almost certain that England will win our little
game. The Dauphin is currently planning where to take
his sister. His first priority, get some decent food in
her. She must be tired of that English rot. Then some
wine. Then some more wine .....
Is this English win in our game a prelude to a bigger
win? Time will tell.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
Just one more thing that occurred to me regarding Swe. If you move
Hol-Ruh,
Den-Hel, Bal-Den, and then Hel-Hol, you'll be better positioned to defend
against
an English stab, and my Fleet in Swe will be available to you should you
need it.
Nick.
Message from France to all
Ali:
>No, I'm not here to scold Roberto, but to congratulate
>him. You had me fooled, hook line and sinker. My
>hat's off to you for your uncanny ability to simulate
>sincerity.
I feel your pain. Ivy can give him a run for his money
in that department. Perhaps they can form a club. Then
they can play Turkey and France next game and we can all
gang up on them :-)
>the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Don't you mean the JuggerNOT. :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I am sorry for my numerous messages. But while I do not
hear from you I assume that there is hope.
I want to share some thoughts with you. As you know I
started this game wanting an FG alliance. We had some
interesting discussions and I thought we could come to an
agreement on how to safely take out England. Russia
badly wanted FGR against England. You and I had the bike
conversations and the Tour de France in common.
Everything seemed set for a great match.
Yet somehow Ivy was able to turn me against you, despite
all that. The reasons is that he is very very good. He
builds relationship that people believe in. As you now
know I was complete surprised by his moves. He had me
very fooled.
When I am gone, he will have the upper hand on you
because I believe that he will have excellent
relationships with those on the other side of you. I
know he has a great one with Italy. Russia is obviously
an admirer. Even though I think that you have a good
approach, I like many of the honest things that you said,
I believe that he will win out with the others. I do not
think that I would stand a chance against him unless
there were strategic and tactical reasons for someone to
side with me, like his being between Russia and I. You
have none of those tactical advantages over him. In fact
you will have many tactical disadvantages, as we have
spoken at great length.
Can you afford to keep him around?
Also consider that a 6 center Germany and a 5 center
England will have a tough time against a 5 center France.
You will win out, but can you afford the time it will
take. But a 6 center Germany and a 6 Center France can
much more easily beat a 4 center England. Even though
his island is a great defense, it has many spread out
approaches. France is compact enough that I can more
easily defend it. It will not take Italy and Austria
long to clean Turkey's clock.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to England, France, Italy, and Russia
Gentlemen:
Please excuse my silence yesterday and today. There are 38 new
emails waiting for me today. And I haven't answered yesterday's yet.
But have no fear I'll be up to date shortly, and I'll respond to
everyone.
The good news is that I'm putting events that have been taking up my
time behind me continuously, and nothing is being added to the front
end. Last night was our big quarterly ski club meeting. Since I'm the
president, it's probably a good thing that I go. And of course I have
to socialize with the members afterwards. Wouldn't be right not to.
(No more ski club trouble for 3 months now)
BTW being in a ski club doesn't give away anything in a gunboat game.
I've heard that the biggest ski clubs are in Miami and Houston. Maybe
that's where I am.
Fredd
Message from England to Germany
Good Freddy,
I have had a chance to look at the position, and I think our moves are
fairly simple.
I intend
Nwy->Nwg
Eng->Iri
Lon s Nth->Eng
Bel s Mun->Bur
This time, though, we cannot prevent France from getting to Burgundy.
I assume you will try something like
Bal s Den->Swe
Hol s Kie->Ruh
Mun->Bur
Let me know if you would rather try something a little different.
Using Denmark to take Sweden has several huge advantages. It keeps Russia
out of the Baltic. It would be nasty if he got there. In conjunction with
my vacating of the North Sea it creates a large neutral zone between
us. It better positions you for an attack on StP.
I now fear Austria most of all. He is in a wonderful position to have a
shot at a solo down the road. But as much as I would like to see a
stronger Russia to help Turkey, I would much rather see you with a new army
to strengthen your rear. Also, if we let Russia Sweden, what is going to
protect the empty Norway?
Your ally,
Ivy
p.s. I have received SIX or SEVEN e-mails from France. You too, I
suppose. Give him credit for trying, but I cannot be sweet-talked into a
grave error.
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I realize that you have many messages to deal with.
However I am hoping to at least have a chance to argue my
fate with you before my doom is sealed. I would think
that you would want the same.
If you prefer to talk only strategy and tire of my
philosophical and softer approach. The Dauphin is
willing to deal with your directly. He is very much more
direct. He has already taken over negotiations with
England.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Germany
France has requested Tyr-Mun. I'm assuming this will screw up your plans,
but, if it doesn't, perhaps I can fool France into thinking I might be on
his side. Of course, I will not make the order without your explicit
written instructions.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
Even if you will not consider betraying England this
year, I think that you should deny him a build. That
keeps your options open for next year.
I expect that Ivy will be bamboozling Russia into leaving
St. Petes open. All you have to do is let Russia know
that you will be taking Sweden without a doubt and he
will therefore resign himself to protecting St. Petes.
This would prevent England from getting a build without
it looking like you had a hand in it.
I do hope that will put some thought to turning on his
this year. The sooner the better in terms of the time
available to finish him off before IA come a calling.
Specifically, you make sure that Russia knows that you
will be supporting yourself to Sweden and inform him that
England will be going for St. Petes, which you encourage
England to do. This allows you to walk right into Sweden
and allows Denmark to attack the North Sea. It might
even make it in. At a minimum it breaks support for
Belgium and you could support Picardy to Belgium.
I am sure that you could arrange the situation
differently so that Belgium could fall and you could
still support yourself to Sweden. I am obviously not
privy to all the details that you and England worked out.
If you do not stab him soon, he will be impossible to
eliminate.
Just let me know.
-- Prince Boar
PS: Please tell Ivy that there is no need for him to
apologize for insulting the Dauphin. The Dauphin has
thick skin and things do not bother him. At the same
time he probably will not take the time to respond since
it is not necessary to his military operation. I hoped
to pass this message through you to Ivy. (Thanks)
Message from Italy to England and Germany
My reporters are out and about collecting nominations for the 1902 Titleist
awards. They've uncovered some noteworthy nominations including 'Nwy-Stp'
and 'Bal s Den-Swe'. Exactly how accurate are these nominations?
Van Lingle Mungo
Message from Russia to Germany
Freddy,
It's been some time since I've heard from you, so I thought I'd ask
again that you allow me to take Sweden this year, while you advance
on France. Next year, if you need the build, you can take it, and I'll
disband the Fleet, but right now, I need a third Army to retake Ukr,
and hold off Austria. Keeping the East stalemated will give you the
time you need to conquer France, and without another Army, Austria
only needs one lucky guess to force me to collapse. Please consider
the wisdom of my request.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Germany
Fred,
I don't expect to be able to check my e-mail again this evening.
I miss your friendly voice. Hope all is well with you.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Italy
> > After further investigation, the following appears to be true.
> > England didn't know about MOS-STP.
>
> I'm not too sure about this. Shortly after the S1901 moves came in, I got a
> message from England. It was a "lots of conservative moves", just staying
> in touch type message. At the end, he says "just wondering if you knew why
> Russia moved to *FIN*" [emphasis mine]. Mind you, this was after the spring
> moves and Russia had only moved to STP. It was a slip and one I don't even
> think he knows he did. But, it makes me tend to think he knew about the
> move to STP and that it would be going to Finland.
Russia and England have said that Russia told England that the army in
STP would move to FIN right after the moves processed. This is probably
why he wrote FIN.
More to follow as I read down my long list of mail.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Master
Doug: Can I have a day extension? The reason is that I'm not ready. A
shitty reason, but there it is.
Germany
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Lots to talk about.
#1 would be my lack of being timely with my mail. I would imagine that
it's disturbing. I know there have been times when the shoe is on the
other foot that it's gotten under my skin. Well hopefully the amount of
mail will diminish now. Previous to our making the moves that we said
we would, it was best to keep on everyone's good side. Now I can
concentrate on a little more.
BG> Unless Italy has to fight in the East! Wow, Diploman, this game >is
really complicated! So England and
>Germany are promoting the RT alliance so they don't have to share the >spoils in France?
Actually no. I expect you to pick up the spoils of France. And I will
be attacking Sweden this turn. From the Baltic. I'll build an army if
I get it.
I asked Doug for a day extension. If he doesn't give it, then I'll be
late. I'll enter orders about 18 hours after the current deadline. I'll
be checking my mail twice between now and then.
I've read all the emails. Now it's time to reply. I too have 6 or 7
emails from France. No wonder I'm slow in responding.
I think that I'll hold Munich this time. Make sure Italy isn't being
cute. Like you said it won't work anyway.
BAL - SWE as stated above.
KIE will either support HOL or move to RUH. ;-)
HOL will support BEL or KIE - RUH
I see your point about moving DEN away from the NTH. But I don't think
that we have that level of trust yet between us where I'll leave a
center open to you on a fall move. If everything goes as planned I'll
move SWE - BOT and DEN - BAL next spring and commence an attack on STP.
Course there will be a Russian fleet to contend with.
I see our relationship as being built successfully. We're moving step by
step now. I can get a build this turn. You can thwart that. But I do
promise to build an army with it. In Berlin. then that army will move
east. I don't think that you'll feel threatened by that. I can't see
myself building again next year. But perhaps the year after. We have to
work on getting you some builds.
Looking over the board, France will be a tough nut to crack. You'll
need three fleets to break into the MAO. I see that you can't do that
until next fall. We really won't be able to push through on land. But
we'll have to take Burgundy. And since you only have one army I'll have
to take it.
All in all we need to discuss balancing our builds better. I can
see that I'm going to be out in front of you. I don't want to do that
as it'll unbalance our alliance. I'm going to have two fleets and an
army on Russia soon. With that I can break through. At the same time
you'll be slugging it out with France, while I'm the one who will be
leading the charge into France. MAR will be exposed to me for sure.
What would you like to happen in the next two years? It'll be that
long before you can take Brest. I'm thinking that maybe we shouldn't
push into BUR. I don't like the idea of me being in BUR and threatening
to start taking French units. I think that will make you very
suspicious, and the chances of you attacking me go way up. All before
France loses a piece. That's a recipe for disaster.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I am truly disappointed that you did not bother to answer
any of my messages. Perhaps you were busy. But would
a simple "I am considering it" or a "I can't do that
right now, but hang on and an opportunity might come up
soon" be
so much trouble. If England betrays you, you might need
me.
At this point my orders will not change. Just do
something similar to what I asked and we can work from
there.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 17 Results:
Aside from a stab by the Germans (Jan Ullrich's team runs
over lance Armstong) it is apparent that England will win
out TdF game. Barring injury, Lance Armstrong will
certainly hold on to the Yellow Jersey. The only
interesting
battle is for the Green Jersey (sprinters points).
O'Grady leads Zabel by 11 points, but has lost a point
each day.
They are awarded based on the first so many riders to
cross the finish line and at some intermediate places.
That
race may come down to the final sprint into Paris.
Serge Baguet won today's stage. No points were awarded
in our game.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP)
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar:
Hope you don't think that I've been ignoring you because we bounced you
in BUR again. And it looks all the world like EG are taking you on.
I've just been busy the last two days. I've asked for an extension
because my mail is so back up. In fact I just sent my first piece off
to England as well. You can use that to drive a wedge between us.
Saying that it's not good to have an ally who responds erratically. But
then I'm sure you're already using that angle. (I have lots of respect
for you, my friend)
Austria certainly does look menacing doesn't he. I wonder what that
Italian army in TYR will do? What an opportunity for a stab.
I wouldn't plan your funeral yet. I notice that England is certainly
moving in your direction, but this is the fall. What a perfect time to
reverse direction. Don't forget, my theory is that alliances will
shift often. England will need three fleets to crack you open. While at
the same time we can't really push into your eastern border very
effectively. It's going to be two years before England can take Brest.
Will he wait that long? Tough call. I'm certain that you're pointing
all this out to him. I'd better get back on the stick email wise. (or
perhaps it's working in my favor - not sending out much mail. I can't
say the wrong thing that way)
France wrote:
>Yet somehow Ivy was able to turn me against you, despite
>all that. The reasons is that he is very very good. He
>builds relationship that people believe in. As you now
>know I was complete surprised by his moves. He had me
>very fooled.
Why is it that so many of the other powers in the games I've played in
think that I'm a dupe? This is not the first time that I've read this
kind of message. I made it to this round. Perhaps I'm the one pulling
the strings. On the other hand, maybe it's good that people think they
control me. Being underestimated makes me less threatening in the early
rounds. People WANT to ally with me. I think because they think they can
control me. Perhaps that is why I'm not currently being threatened
back. ;-)
I'm enjoying our conversations, and wish to continue them. Even if we're
at war. What's going on with AI and RT could be a most stimulating
conversation. Russia wants Sweden. Naturally to fight A. Should I give
it to him? I'd like to hear your thoughts. But I doubt if I get a
response back before the moves process on Friday.
Oops I see that there was one more message where you addressed exactly
this. I do like the idea of having Russia move back to STP.
Here's a topic. Put yourself in my shoes. There is a danger in the
east, growing. How would you handle it?
Fred VCEW (twice)
Message from Germany to France
Patience my friend. I was writting my last message to you while you
were writing this to me. It takes awhile to get through all that you
said. I have already been on email for close to 3 hours tonight, and I
have Italy, Turkey and Russia to get to yet.
Good thing Austria never writes.
Fred
>
> Message from France to Germany in 'titleist':
>
> Frederick:
>
> I am truly disappointed that you did not bother to answer
> any of my messages. Perhaps you were busy. But would
> a simple "I am considering it" or a "I can't do that
> right now, but hang on and an opportunity might come up
> soon" be
> so much trouble. If England betrays you, you might need
> me.
>
> At this point my orders will not change. Just do
> something similar to what I asked and we can work from
> there.
>
> -- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Turkey
> And to the rest of you, yes at last the RT has been revealed! Lock up your
> daughters and hide the vodka, the Juggernaut is about to sweep the land!
Ah Ha. I figured that Russia was heading north for a reason. It's why
he's not in Sweden.
I have a tough choice in the next few hours. Let Russia have Sweden so
he can fight more effectively in the south, or take it myself, and build
my own army to fight in the south. It will be interesting.
Thanks for the info on the TYR-BOH move. Italy has said that army is to
be used against Russia. I would suspect that IA would like me to stay
out of there way until they polish you and Russia off. Then they'll
turn toward me.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Russia
Nic:
I don't look at the board for two days, and everything changes. I've
been on email tonight for about 3 hours. Not all of it Dip, but a lot.
France is the press king.
When I started this tonight, I was certain that I would take SWE. My
worry was that England and you might bounce me out. That's probably not
going to happen.
I've read your messages and I've given this a lot of thought. Yes you
do need help against AI. In fact I'm pretty sure that the Italian army
in TYR is heading in your direction. Unfortunately I believe the Swedish
build will only slow things down. AI are looking too strong. Turkey
will crumble like a house of cards, and then you'll be next. Then I'll
be next.
I need to send troops to my southern border ASAP. Therefore, I'm going
to take SWE (providing you and England don't bounce me out) I'll be
building an army. It's first move will be to SIL. I suspect at that
point I'll be supporting you. I hope you're still there.
Sorry I can't help you yet again.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
I've been slow in my press, and now I must pay. Hours of reading and
writing. I did ask for a day extension. I might not get it as I don't
have a good excuse. But I'm not going to turn my orders in until
tomorrow anyway.
I really hadn't looked at the board since the last moves processed.
You and Austria have been busy. You've got Turkey by the throat. I
must admit that I saw it coming.
Why would you go TYR-MUN this turn? That should never go. Perhaps
France will support me to BUR? I'd like that, providing that you DON'T
go to MUN.
For a titleist award, I can't speak for England. But DEN - SWE? Being
the suspicious type I won't leave a center open for England to walk
right in in 1902.
So what's the Italian plan for world domination? You have an excellent
chance to stab Austria this turn. I doubt if you'll take it though. You
guys have a good thing going. Turkey will fall, then Russia. At that
point you guys should be huge. I wonder how EFG will look at that
time. If I were a betting man, I'd say that neither you nor Austria
will mess with me until Turkey and Russia are almost gone. Then it'll
be time to head north, or to stab each other.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
So what's the time gap between the first message that I sent tonight
and this one? I'm sending something to you first and last. Without
getting up. No wonder I take days off.
Now I know everything. When I responded before I hadn't really looked
at the board, or read all the other press.
My plans have changed. Although not much. There is a huge threat in
the southeast. AI have Turkey by the balls. Italy could stab Austria
this turn, but I'm betting against it. He could never count on Turkey to
let him keep SMY. Nope it looks like Turkey is done for. Then
Russia. And this should all move quickly. In fact I'd say that we'll
see an Italian fleet move west after the next build. He won't need it in
the east.
It means that we have to move quickly, plus a few other things. When I
was writing my last letter I was planning on running over Russia as soon
as possible. I see myself as working to help him out now. (after I take
SWE) At least for a year. Then I'll grab STP. It does mean that I'll be
slowed in taking centers in the east. That'll be good for our balance.
I see things shaping up like this. We can't stop AI from taking out
Turkey. I can slow them down from overrunning Russia. (I think that
I'll have to send two armies east.) The trouble is if they get too
powerful too fast. We'll never recover.
We have to get through France soon.
I believe that it's time that I trusted you totally. (At least for a
turn or two. ;-) We have to get moving. If the North Sea is open and
unthreatened we can do all sorts of things. Therefore I'm going to
take your advice and support DEN - SWE. And I'm going to go to RUHR.
This will leave me open to a stab from you in HOL or DEN, but not both.
Plus I'll definitely get SWE, so even if you stab I won't have to
disband.
After this turn, since you won't have anything in the North Sea, I can
swing HOL to RUH, and two of my armies can go to fight the Hun. (or am
I the Hun? Shouldn't the Hun be in Hungary?)
What do you think?
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
> But I'm not going to turn my orders in until tomorrow anyway.
This will not make our esteemed moderator happy but what he's going to do,
kick you out?
> Why would you go TYR-MUN this turn?
I would only do that if it was not going to interfere with your plans. The
idea being, it might fool France into thinking I will help me. Sounds like
you're planning on using Munich so I will hold. Just thought I'd ask. The
more France thinks I'm willing to help, the more information I can divulge
from him.
> For a titleist award, I can't speak for England. But DEN - SWE?
> Being the suspicious type I won't leave a center open for England
> to walk right in in 1902.
Interesting, since England responded that Germany shouldn't move Baltic ->
Sweden because of the risk of a Russia fleet moving into the Baltic. Sounds
like there may be a difference of opinion. Any chance you would allow
Russia access to Finland? Ok, dumb question.
> So what's the Italian plan for world domination?
<blush> I don't have one. I'm just trying to survive. I've upset the Turk
so it's the consensus of the Italian military that he must be eliminated.
After that, I will reconsider all options.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message [from Austria] to all
While I was one of those who received a "late" notice, my orders are in.
If I have an error flag, this message is to clear it.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
> When I started this tonight, I was certain that I would take SWE.
> My worry was that England and you might bounce me out.
> That's probably not going to happen.
Not based on what I've heard from England. He's well aware of
how much press you're getting from France, and he isn't looking to
give you any reason to change allies.
> Yes, you do need help against AI. Unfortunately I believe the Swedish
> build will only slow things down. AI are looking too strong.
That's exactly my point. The Swedish build should slow things
down enough for you to make progress against France.
> I need to send troops to my southern border ASAP.
If you make it clear to AI that you will not tolerate them crossing the
German border, that should slow them down. They're already fighting
a two-front war, they won't want bring you into the mix as well.
> I'm going to take SWE I'll be building an army. It's first move will
> be to SIL. I suspect at that point I'll be supporting you.
It would be better for both of us if you let me take Swe this year and
build a third Army, and then took Swe next year and let me disband the
Fleet. Then your one Eastern Army could effectively support me, and
slowly turn the tide on Austria. One German Army in Sil in 1903 will
not be positioned to effectively support my operations, and will not be
strong enough to share in the ensuing feeding frenzy. I beg you to
reconsider the wisdom of allowing me to take Sweden this year.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicolas II.
Message from Master to Germany
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>Doug: Can I have a day extension? The reason is that I'm not ready.
>A shitty reason, but there it is.
and
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>I asked Doug for a day extension. If he doesn't give it, then I'll be
>late. I'll enter orders about 18 hours after the current deadline.
Hmm. You're right, it's not a very good reason. You sent your request
after I left work for the day and we're already past the deadline.
Just submit orders when you get the chance.
Doug
Message from France to Germany
Fred:
I suspect that you are late and cannot write back, but
that does not mean that I cannot write to you. Let me
say some things.
First, I am patient. That is why I continue to write to
you.
Second, I did not say that you were a dupe. I was the
one duped remember. I said that I believe that England
had better relationships than you and is better
positioned for the future. I base this not just on my
interactions with the two of you but on my conversations
with everyone else. A big and likeable England at your
back is a dangerous thing. That is my point.
As for England, I spent a little time trying to tell him
that he made a mistake, certainly. But I have basically
given up talking to him about anything substantial. For
the reasons that I outlined to you above, I feel that
England must go. I do not want a strong and likeable
England at my back. Therefore my only choice for the
future is to try and change your mind. There is no
chance of me siding with England over you, unless I
became very desperate for survival. But that is a *long*
way off.
I am being purposely obnoxious to England to give you
some confidence that an EF could never materialize.
As for the South, I do not have any advice what to do
about it. There is little that can be done. Austria and
Italy will clean up Turkey and Russia very quickly. They
will look North. If you and England are still joined
against me, I will be forced to welcome them with open
arms and hope for the best.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Russia
> It would be better for both of us if you let me take Swe this year and
> build a third Army, and then took Swe next year and let me disband the
> Fleet. Then your one Eastern Army could effectively support me, and
> slowly turn the tide on Austria. One German Army in Sil in 1903 will
> not be positioned to effectively support my operations, and will not be
> strong enough to share in the ensuing feeding frenzy. I beg you to
> reconsider the wisdom of allowing me to take Sweden this year.
I'm in negotiations with England to pull back from our borders. If this
happens that I can send two armies to the southeast.
I'm still planning on taking SWE.
I hope we can continue to talk even though I take SWE. I expect that
it'll be in both of our best interests to work together after this move.
Fredd
Message from Germany to France
Yes, I am late. I'm planning on turning in my orders sometime this
evening. I'll have the opportunity to read one more message from you
just before I turn in the orders.
Bye I'm off to work.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Yes that's me who is late. I'm off to work. I'm planning on turning
my orders in later tonight. So if there's anything that you'd like to
discuss I can read one message before turning in my orders. And if I
really need to reply I'll be late another day. I imagine that I have
sufficient points to survive.
My orders are still similar to the below
MUN hold
KIE - RUH
DEN - SWE
Fredd
Message from Russia to Germany
>Message from Germany to Russia in 'titleist':
>I'm in negotiations with England to pull back from our borders. If this
>happens that I can send two armies to the southeast.
How can you do this and make any progress against
France? It sounds as though Ivy is setting you up for
a stab.
>I hope we can continue to talk even though I take SWE.
If you take Swe, I am unlikely to be around long
enough to talk to. Even if you order Mun-Boh, Ber-Sil,
that does nothing to solve my problem with the Austrian
Army in Ukr. To stop Austria, I NEED the third Army.
Please consider whether the rapid collapse of RT is a
good thing or a bad thing for you, and whether Germany
gaining one Army this year is worth causing that
collapse. To survive and prosper as Germany you have
to take the longer view, and look beyond the current
turn. It should be obvious to you that granting me
access to Sweden this year does not endanger you in
any way, and actually improves your security in a
number of ways. Please reconsider your position, and
mine.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Master to Germany
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>Yes that's me who is late. I'm off to work. I'm planning on turning
>my orders in later tonight. So if there's anything that you'd like to
>discuss I can read one message before turning in my orders. And if I
>really need to reply I'll be late another day. I imagine that I have
>sufficient points to survive.
Rich, this is unacceptable. I don't mind you pushing the deadline
for one day because I wasn't around to extend the deadline for you.
I don't even mind continuing negotiations after the deadline and without
submitted orders, for the same reason.
However, I won't tolerate ignoring deadlines just so you can get more
diplomacy time. Please submit your orders today. If your statement
above was simply a diplomatic ploy for England and not really your
intention, then ignore this note and submit your orders today as
planned.
Thanks,
Doug
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
I have changed back again. Once again it is Lon s North Sea->Channel. We
can talk about this later. If together we think the army in Holland is
needed in the east, at that time we can move London->Nth Sea to do the job.
With this change, and with North sea now open, I sure hope you can get Kiel
into Ruhr.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fred,
Fast note. 3:30 pm.
I got up at 5am glanced at the e-mail and had to dash out of the house
(long story). When I got back this afternoon, I had internet trouble for
two hours.
I changed one move. London-Channel instead of North Sea to Channel. I
will change again if you ask me to. North Sea can support Belgium, freeing
your Holland army to do anything. I wouldn't dare grab one of your centers
with North Sea, because France would pee his pants with glee and I would
get crushed between the two of you. Anyway, Channel->Irish Sea is proof
enough that I am at deep war with France. He will be in Mao, but my fleet
from Norway will be in Norwegian Sea and in another turn I will have three
on two in the Atlantic.
Again, if you prefer I do it the other way, let me know.
I'll have more time after 4pm and will write again.
Ivy Wingo
>Ivy:
> Yes that's me who is late. I'm off to work. I'm planning on turning
>my orders in later tonight. So if there's anything that you'd like to
>discuss I can read one message before turning in my orders. And if I
>really need to reply I'll be late another day. I imagine that I have
>sufficient points to survive.
>
>My orders are still similar to the below
>MUN hold
>KIE - RUH
>DEN - SWE
>
>
>Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I said all that I had to say. You know my arguments and reasoning. I
also do not know if it would be appropriate to say more as it borders on
negotiating after the deadline.
I hope you do the right thing. I am ready and anxious to follow through
with you.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
I would prefer that you move Nth - ENG. I don't want to leave DEN open
if you're in the North Sea. Plus I can move Holland down to Ruhr if
it's open.
Strategically I believe it would be a bad idea for you to attack me
now. But stranger things have happened.
If we disengage on this front both of us can go on to bigger better
things.
What do you think about the threat in the east? AI
Fredd
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis → Smyrna
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Warsaw (*dislodged*)
Austria: Army Serbia HOLD
Austria: Army Ukraine → Warsaw
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Irish Sea
England: Fleet London SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway → Norwegian Sea
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Gascony SUPPORT Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Picardy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel → Munich
Germany: Army Munich → Bohemia
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Tunis → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tunis → Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Livonia → Moscow
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol SUPPORT Turkish Army Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Russian Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Army Smyrna HOLD (*dislodged*)
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