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Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
It's been two and one half days since we've exchanged letters, we're
slipping! 8-) I've asked Fredd to order Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, to keep
Austria from retreating to Pru, and to minimize the danger of Germany
attempting a break-away building spree. He claims that moving Bal-Pru
will encourage you to order Nwg-Nwy, Lon-Nth and attack him. (Yes,
that makes as little sense to me, as it does to you.) France remains
worried, Austria remains recalcitrant, and Italy remains almost as smooth
as you are. Hopefully, Turkey will take my disband as a sign of good
faith, and cover Bul with His Fleet, rather than covering Sev. How does
the world look from the misty isle?
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
That Russia kept the northern fleet instead of the southern was no
surprise. It's probably what was best for him, if not for us.
Here is the danger as I see it. Russia recovers Warsaw (probably good for
us, temporarily) but then builds in StP (very bad). If he builds in StP
you will have a much harder time in the north, and the configuration could
favor eventual Russian/Austrian cooperation against Germany.
Here is a suggestion. Tell Russia you will help him against Austria
provided he puts his fleet immediately this spring in StP and keeps it
there. Tell him honestly that you want to see him build an army in
Sevastopol to use against Austria. If you moved a fleet to Bothnia, you
could then order Bot-StP in the fall to insure that StP remains occupied
and cannot be used for a build.
Just how long you help Russia is another matter. Obviously you want StP
and Warsaw for yourself. Since you cannot get them this year, it seems best
for us that Russia sit quietly in StP and that Austria lose Warsaw to
Russia.
In the west the situation is simpler. Just support Belgium with Ruhr and I
will make moves that guarantee that I get into the Mid-Atl by fall.
******
Austria encourages me to switch sides, unite with France, and attack you.
That's the first time he ever suggested this, and it reflects his increased
fear of you. Obviously this was brought on by his failure to build and the
presence of your army in Bohemia.
******
What is France doing these days on the diplomatic front? Here are my
guesses. (1) he probably is encouraging Russia and Austria to make up and
unite against Germany. This would relieve the pressure France feels on his
German border. All the more reason for you to court Russia, if only
temporarily.
(2) he may be asking Italy for military help, say the new Naples fleet, in
order to make my progress more difficult. I once wanted Italian help
against southern France, but now I think I would rather Italy stay away.
******
>From my point of view, the ideal 1903 would see Russia regaining Warsaw to
offset the probable loss of a Turkish unit. Then the AI vs RT equation
remains balanced. In the meantime you and I both creep forward.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> It's been two and one half days since we've exchanged letters, we're
>slipping! 8-)
I have had a semblance of a normal life these past several days. This is
probably a bad sign indicating that I have been neglecting my diplomacy.
>I've asked Fredd to order Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, to keep
>Austria from retreating to Pru, and to minimize the danger of Germany
>attempting a break-away building spree. He claims that moving Bal-Pru
>will encourage you to order Nwg-Nwy, Lon-Nth and attack him. (Yes,
>that makes as little sense to me, as it does to you.)
Perhaps he is more afraid of Bothnia->Sweden, but doesn't want to say so.
I am confident that Germany is ready for some degree of cooperation with
you, because he sees the greater danger in Austria. Austria's setback in
the south was only temporary and he could grow soon, possibly rapidly.
Anyway, Germany wants you to recover Warsaw, and it looks like you have a
great shot at that.
Germany is feeling pretty confident these days, and he probably will expect
something in return for German/Russian cooperation. He may want help
against Vienna, or he may want you to pull your fleet away from Sweden. I
should be able to influence him a little in this matter, but something
tells me that he will be reluctant to vacate Sewden or Baltic when you can
jump into the resulting void.
>How does the world look from the misty isle?
Speaking selfishly, I just want the rest of the world to freeze in place
(that includes Germany) while I advance against France. I expect to be in
the Mid-Atl by fall 1903, but still cannot see any moves that guarantee me
a build by 1904. This is tough.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> > I've asked Fredd to order Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, to
> > keep Austria from retreating to Pru,
>Perhaps he is more afraid of Bothnia->Sweden
Whoops, I forgot to mention that GoB-Lvn was
part of the package. At three Centres, with a
hostile Austria occupying Warsaw, I can't afford
to order GoB-Swe at this point, even if I knew
the move would succeed.
>He may want help against Vienna, or he may want you to pull your fleet away
>from Sweden.
I don't see that I can afford to support any
German gains before I get to five Centres, but
GoB-Lvn, Swe-Bal, Bal-Pru secures both Germany's and
Russia's and your northern border, in my opinion
Nick.
Message from Germany to England
Ivy
Good thoughts on Russia. I've been trying something along those
lines. Strangely enough he acts like he's bargaining from a position of
strength. I do believe that you've hit the nail on the head that he'll
switch sides to Austria at a drop of a hat. (and here I thought that
when you got pissed at someone you're supposed to stay pissed)
Ruh will support BEL.
Fredd
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
> (and here I thought that
>when you got pissed at someone you're supposed to stay pissed)
Right. You can count on that in most games, but good players (of which
there are seven in "titleist") can put aside past betrayals in order to
meet new threats. This game will be tricky from beginning to end.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> >Perhaps he is more afraid of Bothnia->Sweden
>but
>GoB-Lvn, Swe-Bal, Bal-Pru secures both Germany's and
>Russia's and your northern border, in my opinion
Yes, indeed.
Getting Germany to trust you will be the trick then. He probably fears
being duped and that you will move GoB->Swe in the spring. And surely he
will want assurances that you will not be building a second northern unit
in StP at the end of the year. Perhaps you might consider the reassuring
GoB->StP in the spring. I don't see any harm in Austria retreating Warsaw
to Livonia or Prussia. An Austria army in one of those positions could be
easily crushed.
Anyway, if I were Russia, my goal this year would be to regain Warsaw while
diploming with all my neighbors. Don't make any more enemies than you
already have.
Good luck.
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
>
> Congratulations on your fifth center. That's supposed to be
> a milestone in Italian progress.
>
Thanks. We'll see how long that milestone lasts.
> I bet you get your sixth before I do. It will impossible for
> me to grow in 1903,
>
Of course, not impossible but you'd need a little help/luck and you'd
certainly give up some position in the process.
Something you might be interested in is France has been lobbying quite hard
for Russia to move Mos-Stp in hopes that will lock down your NWG fleet into
the defense of Norway (as opposed to it moving to NAO). I doubt Russia can
afford that move this year but if things go 100% perfect for him this year,
it's possible he could gain a build from Warsaw and Norway could be
threatened next year.
>
> In spite of a little setback for Austria, I still think our
> two friends, Germany and Austria, are in positions best
> suited for very rapid growth. We need to keep them reined
> in somewhat.
>
I know what I can do to rein in Austria. What are you planning to do to
limit German growth?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>Something you might be interested in is France has been lobbying quite hard
>for Russia to move Mos-Stp in hopes that will lock down your NWG fleet into
>the defense of Norway (as opposed to it moving to NAO). I doubt Russia can
>afford that move this year
Thank you. For Russia to move an army to StP now would be quite a
sacrifice for him. I am aware that he may want to get Warsaw this year and
build in StP next year.
>I know what I can do to rein in Austria. What are you planning to do to
>limit German growth?
Solicit your help in an anti-German alliance? Just kidding; that's far
down the road.
Right now Germany is in great shape, but I don't expect him to grow this
year. Anyway, the players in this game are too good to let anyone run away
with an easy victory.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
France is urging Russia to move Moscow->StP in order to draw my fleet back
to Norway. Russia would have to be very stupid to do that because it means
giving up Warsaw. But building an army in StP after regaining Warsaw could
be very tempting for Russia.
I hope you don't vacate Sweden this spring. While Russia probably won't be
so bold as to try Bot->Swe, there is no reason for you to risk it.
I suppose if Russia builds or threatens to build in StP there is always
Lon->Nth->Norway. That protects Norway and helps you get StP. I know, I
know, you don't want me in the North Sea. Just an option. I won't go
there unless you ask me to.
If Russia doesn't play ball this spring, maybe you have to try to keep him
from getting or keeping Warsaw.
[My moves are easy, so I have been thinking about yours.]
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
My moves are fairly straightforward, so I have given more thought to your
area of the board.
Having looked at the position more carefully, I think it is hopeless to
expect Germany to move Swe->Bal this turn. He is in a comfortable position
where he has no need to take risks. Although I doubt that he thinks you
might cross him with Bot->Swe, why should he take the chance? If you
succeeded with Bot->Swe it would be a major disaster for Germany. He's
just not going to let that happen while you are adjacent to Sweden.
He also worries that you will build in StP. I don't know what you can do
to reassure him that you won't.
Selfishly, I am hoping that you can play off Germany and Austria against
each other and make it difficult for either of them to break away from the
pack. The worst scenerio would be for you to end up with both Germany and
Austria as enemies. Should somehow Germany find a new ally in Austria,
then (1) you are dead and (2) Germany has less use for me.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Pity the other players. France is turning his press machine on them.
I have heard that he is trying to get FAIR vs GET.
Russia is the wild card right now. I'm just finished my press to him.
Basically telling him that I'll take his advice and make his move on the
condition that he doesn't build in STP. Truthfully, I expect him to
balk. His press to me hasn't been 'encouraging'. Of course, my two
fleets might have something to do with that.
Italy and Austria has also been less than cordial. Italy and I are
'having words' over his army in TYR. I want it out of there before it
can be used against me. He says its only for defense. Something is going
to give.
It really is perplexing. I can classify both Italy and Austria only as
arrogant. They have made almost no attempts at diplomacy with me. At
least nothing realistic. I've got some bull from Austria about attacking
Russia, but it's obvious that he's not serious. And Italy just yells at
me because I want him to retreat TYR. Seems fair to me.
FAIR could be becoming a reality. It all hinges on Russia. IF he hangs
with Turkey or turns against him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia
attack Turkey, even this turn. But probably in the fall.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
> If Russia doesn't play ball this spring, maybe you have to try to
> keep him from getting or keeping Warsaw.
I'm glad that you don't want me to vacate SWE this turn. I was looking
for ways to move off, but they all threaten Russia.
Nickie should be playing ball. But I think his game plan is to build in
STP. I won't allow that. I will allow him to build in SEV or MOS, but
if he tries anything else I'll make it my mission to take him out at the
knees.
He could pull off quite a coup though if he were to change sides this
year. Austria would probably support him to RUM. (but Turkey would
retreat to SEV, unless MOS moved down) But that would mean that he'd
have to trust A NOT to enter MOS in the fall. I doubt if there's a lot
of trust there.
I've got messages in to Nick and Ali. What happens will depend on their
answers.
On the plus side the Boar has gone quiet.
Fredd
Message from France to all
Spring 1903 Symposium on Philosophy, Europe and
Everything.
- by Prince Xavier Boar
[This is Stuart Scott here. Trey Wingo lost this job
because of his relationship to Ivy Wingo. It is not wise
to be related to someone who betrays the Dauphin. He got
the Axe, had a date with Mr. Guillotine, you get the
picture. After carefully consulting my family tree, and
knowing that I am not related to any of the leaders in
Europe, I accepted this job. I could not resists after
reading all Trey's postcards describing the beautiful
babes.]
[Well it is time to play the uncensored parts of Prince
Boar's speech and add my witty commentary.]
My dear French people, as you all know, things have not
gone well for France. We are under attack from both our
Northern and Eastern Borders. For now the South appears
to be safe, but the Italians may be mustering for war as
well. Our sources tell us of their expanding navy. But
I implore you to keep your hope. The Dauphin and I will
do all that we can to make certain that our betrayers do
not benefit from their treachery.
We shall Protect in Paris, and Battle in Burgundy. We
will Punish in Picardy and berate in Brest. We shall
Garrison in Gascony, Beset in Belgium, Ravage in Ruhr,
Malign in Munich, and Maul in Marseilles. We will
Persecute in Portugal and Skirmish in Spain. Our Navies
will Maraude in the Mid-Atlantic Ocean, Nip at the North
Atlantic Ocean, Invade the Irish Sea, and Engage in the
English Channel. Our people shall never give up!
[Quite the big talker and a guy who knows how to use a
Thesaurus. Perhaps he can toss it at Frederick when he
arrives in Paris at the head of his armies. Next he gets
into some private French strategy, if you call looking up
nasty words that start with the letter 'I' a strategy. I
assure you that no one discussed the color of the
Dauphin's underwear this time. But the rumor has it that
the Dauphin sent a pair of Hot Pink ones with Bats and
Mediterranean Blue with Speckled Eggs to Diploman and Boy
Gambit respectively.]
Philosophy
A neighbor has suggested that France is being attacked
because we were too likeable. That we should have
purposely been less likeable to not make ourselves a
target. The irony is that this neighbor is more likeable
than we are. But it is an interesting philosophy
nevertheless. It is a philosophy, however, that I must
reject. Instead I choose to follow the personal
philosophy of the great Marcus Aurelius. He is a man of
my own heart in that he was both a Caesar of Roman and a
wise stoic philosopher. To him, the wise man "will not
go against the divinity that is planted in his breast;
but rather he will preserve his deepest inner self in
tranquillity. He will, above all, preserve his own
autonomy and integrity, and not let anything alienate him
from himself". Words that I can live by. If I fail
France by being who I am, then I must apologize. But I
shall not fail myself by being myself.
[He may not fail himself, but we wonder if he is full of
himself. He is deluding himself that he is likeable. He
can't seem to convince a soul to do the simplest things.
Maybe we should get that Sport Center Advertisement team
over here to work on his image.]
[Well, thankfully that is all folk. Until next year.
Stuart]
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> Having looked at the position more carefully, I think it is hopeless to
> expect Germany to move Swe->Bal this turn.
You could request/demand it to protect Nwy.
> He is in a comfortable position where he has no need to take risks.
F Swe-Nwy is a risk to you, and Bal-Pru, Swe HOLD risks
GoB-Bal, so Swe-Bal, Bal-Pru,GoB-Lvn makes sense for everyone.
Please endorse it to Fredd.
> Although I doubt that he thinks you might cross him with Bot->Swe,
> why should he take the chance?
To allow me to work effectively with him against Austria.
> He also worries that you will build in StP.
That's more of a worry for you, I expect, but Austria is my enemy, and
StP is a long way from Vie.
> Selfishly, I am hoping that you can play off Germany and Austria against
> each other and make it difficult for either of them to break away from the
> pack. The worst scenerio would be for you to end up with both Germany and
> Austria as enemies. Should somehow Germany find a new ally in Austria,
> then (1) you are dead and (2) Germany has less use for me.
Then encourage him to move as I've suggested. You know that I play an
honest game, and I don't see that GoB-Swe makes any more sense at this
point than StP-Nwy made in F1901M.
Your Friend,
Nicky.
Message from France to England
Wingo:
You never did tell me whether the German move to Bohemia
was with your blessing. You seemed to have expected
Munich to do something else.
I hope that you can use your influence to check out long
term the Dickens novels from your national library. Your
admirals will need some lengthy reading materials while
they try to chip away at my defenses. I hope you are
prepared for a long slow battle.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I just got a long note from Germany. It is very clear that he prefers an
alliance with Russia against Austria. He says that Austria is lobbying him
hard to help eliminate Russia.
>> He also worries that you will build in StP.
>
> That's more of a worry for you, I expect, but Austria is my enemy, and
>StP is a long way from Vie.
This has become the critical issue, the key to Russian intentions. It's
another reason why Germany is refusing to vacate Sweden. Sweden might be
needed to protect Norway, which is ultimately German territory. Germany
has asked and I have agreed to Lon-Nth-Nwy in case of war breaking out in
Scandinavia or a Russian build in StP. Let's hope it doesn't come to this.
I need that fleet in the south.
Thus, to the best of my knowledge, here is where matters stand. Germany
truly wants Russian cooperation. Germany fears a build in StP. Germany is
not moving Sweden this turn. Please don't accuse me of deception if am
wrong. Every move Germany has done something that I did not expect. He
makes life interesting.
>> Having looked at the position more carefully, I think it is hopeless to
>> expect Germany to move Swe->Bal this turn.
>
> You could request/demand it to protect Nwy.
Norway is not one of my worries. I cannot defend against a German stab and
French/German cooperation, so I don't even worry about it. I lobby Germany
hard for German/Russian cooperation, for I sure don't want German/Austrian
cooperation, but GR cooperation shouldn't hinge on Sweden holding. I know
that if I were Germany, I would never consider vacating Sweden this turn.
France is trying his best to extract himself from his position. That's to
be expected. Moscow ->StP now!? I have been told that he really asked
that. Is this true? Does he expect you to ruin your chances for Warsaw to
do him a tiny favor?
More interesting is the supposed French proposal to unite Austria, Italy,
Russia, and France against Germany, England, and Turkey. That is actually
feasible, so permit me to comment. Whatever you do, look out for Russia
first. Obvious, of course. That means getting Warsaw this year and
keeping options open.
Another thing. You have exactly one friend you can count on - Turkey. If
you throw him away you are left with no neighbor who owes you anything
except sugar-sweet words whose only purpose is to influence your next
moves.
Germany can be a short-term friend, but he will be a danger to you long-term.
France. France cares only about saving France. France will be intact for
a long, long time, so don't jeopardize your immediate future to make life
rosy for him. Let France sweat a little. He's a big boy.
Austria is still your biggest problem. He is 100% loyal to Italy and must
yield most of the south to Italy. What does that mean? That means that
Austria must have Russia, pure and simple. That's why he is in Warsaw.
England. I am trying to conquer France and it will take forever. Don't
you think the world owes me a lot of gratitude? 8-) I am trying to put a
bell on the cat. It will take me a long time to get anywhere and I want to
come out of this with some chance of advancing afterwards. If that happens
I am more than willing to spin the dice and reallign alliances. Certainly
I don't want a monster Germany any more than anyone else.
Well, I have blabbed enough. Yes, I am trying to influence you. 8-) As
long as we remain open and honest, it will be easier to cooperate in the
future.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to France
>You never did tell me whether the German move to Bohemia
>was with your blessing.
I had no idea that Freddy was making that move. Communication with Germany
is now adequate (cross fingers), but last year was a communications
disaster. In addition to the problems that you know about, my modem broke
down again in the evenings and my ISP was down for about a day as well.
>I hope that you can use your influence to check out long
>term the Dickens novels from your national library.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times ... "
I prefer Russian novels. I've read "War and Peace" twice, "Karamazov"
three times, ... . Taking your advice, I am issuing a set to my admirals.
You didn't really ask Russia to move Mos->StP this spring, did you? You
could have at least permitted him to get Warsaw first.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
My German friend tells me that the two of you are 'having words' over his
army in TYR. Apparently he wants you to back away. Please forgive him.
That's what you or I would want if we were Germany, after all. And you do
have to admit that you were the agressor in that you moved next to his
supply center.
Anyway, I am not lobbying you to move. My only request is that you not
take offense at Germany and escalate a war of words. I trust you to remain
calm; I can't be sure of the Germany personality yet. We never know just
who we might want or need for allies a few years down the road. I may want
Austrian help against Germany. You may want German help against Austria.
We both should live that long!
Cheers,
Ivy
p.s. I am getting all sorts of stories about what France is attempting.
One person congratulated me for trying to "put the bell on the cat."
Anyway, France's panic, if it is that, is much premature. He will have his
five centers for quite some time. In the meantime, he can take a little
heat. He's a big boy.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Underoos Diploman. What a nice gift from the Dauphin!
DM> Yes it was. I will wear mine tonight, after I take off my costume. I do
hope that France is not trying to buy us with this gift.
BG> Absolutely Diploman. We must remain impartial observers in our vigil to
bring the betrayers to justice!
DM> Speaking of which, the alliances stayed pretty steady this season.
BG> I agree. Next year could be more interesting though. Say, do you want to
go model our new undies?
DM> Sure, why not. Let's get out of here.
Message from France to England
Wingo:
Feel free to send your Admirals both the Russian and
English novels. They may need both. Perhaps they can
loan them to my brother in exile after France is overrun.
I am glad for you that the communication with Germany is
better. It makes the game more enjoyable for you. I
still expect him to let you down one day, but perhaps I
will be wrong.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from Italy to England
>
> My German friend tells me that the two of you are 'having
> words' over his army in TYR.
^^^
There you go again with your Freudian slips. He's not in Tyrolia, I am.
Again you ask? You did the same thing when Russia moved to STP. Your
message to me was "The EFG situation is still all mixed up with the Russian
surprise move to Finland causing us all to figure out what it eventually
means." The odd thing is, this was sent prior to Russia actually moving to
Finland. So, my question is, do you do this intentionally or do you really
know where everybody is planning on moving?
> Apparently he wants you to back away. Please forgive him.
> That's what you or I would want if we were Germany, after
> all. And you do have to admit that you were the agressor
> in that you moved next to his supply center.
>
Aggressor? That's probably where the difference of opinion lies. Let me
give you the history. Prior to S'01, Germany sent both AI a message saying
he wouldn't mind an army in Tyrolia as long as he knew in advance and the
reasons for the move. As the negotiations unfolded and it became clear AI
would take place, I asked Germany if I could move to Tyrolia with the
purpose of eventually moving it north against Russia. I got no response so
I let Germany know that I didn't want to move there without his okay and so
I held. In F'01, I once again against Germany and listed off the reasons
and once again I got no response. So I moved to Tyrolia. Germany still
didn't say a word. Now, all of a sudden, France is in Burgundy and my unit
is a "threat" to Munich. It is my contention that EG could have prevented
France from getting to Burgundy in the first place but Germany, for some
inexplicable reason, ordered 'Kie s Hol' in S'02 instead of moving to Ruhr.
So, just because France is in Burgundy, which could have been prevented,
doesn't, in my mind, give Germany the right to ask me to retreat Tyrolia.
As far as future allies, I have no less than 3 other countries asking me to
remain in Tyrolia. Thus, retreating from the position may placate Germany,
but it will also, at the same time, cause concern for several other
"potential allies". I'm sure you understand the position I'm in. One step
forward, three steps back.
Now, if you want to pass on something to Germany, and I've already told him
this, consider this bit of advice. Prior to his move to Bohemia, the
discussions in the east never even made mention of Germany and what he was
doing. Oh, I imagine Russia would hint at German intentions but nothing
ever made it back to me. Now, after the move to Bohemia, that is all the
east is discussing. Now, there is a rally cry to stop the EG alliance. Is
that what the two of you really wanted to see happen? Certainly there is
something better Germany can do with that army than harrass his eastern
neighbors.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Sorry for writing at the last minute. I meant to send a letter yesterday,
but time got away from me. Anyway, I'd like to touch base.
I'm hearing some strange things from Italy, but at this moment I truly don't
know what to expect from him. My current moves continue my pro-Russian,
anti-AI stance. However, if some of the talk floating around comes to
fruition, it could make for some strange bedfellows. If Russian
associations don't work out in the long run, I'd be better off hitting him
before he has a chance to grow back.
Unfortunately, I still don't know what to expect in the north, save what I
see on the board. It seems you and Germany have a pretty solid alliance,
which speaks well for both of you. An EGT end game would certainly provide
us both with interesting opportunities. Any advice, thoughts or words of
wisdom from your perspective would be very much appreciated.
In confidence,
Ali Baba
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>> My German friend tells me that the two of you are 'having
>> words' over his army in TYR.
> ^^^
>
>There you go again with your Freudian slips. He's not in Tyrolia, I am.
>Again you ask? You did the same thing when Russia moved to STP. Your
>message to me was "The EFG situation is still all mixed up with the Russian
>surprise move to Finland causing us all to figure out what it eventually
>means." The odd thing is, this was sent prior to Russia actually moving to
>Finland. So, my question is, do you do this intentionally or do you really
>know where everybody is planning on moving?
Neither, of course. At least I have not yet composed a letter to one
nation and sent it accidentally to another. That's happened to me several
times in the past. Finland is easy to explain. I was obsessed with the
possibility that StP would move there to permit another build in StP. I
have no explanation for this current slip.
>Aggressor? That's probably where the difference of opinion lies. Let me
>give you the history. ...
Clear enough, and your acccount rings true.
>Now, all of a sudden, France is in Burgundy and my unit
>is a "threat" to Munich.
Well, yes, this is true, no matter how your army found its way to Tyrolia
and no matter that France shouldn't be in Burgundy.
>So, just because France is in Burgundy, which could have been prevented,
>doesn't, in my mind, give Germany the right to ask me to retreat Tyrolia.
He always has the right to ask. The tone he takes is another matter.
>As far as future allies, I have no less than 3 other countries asking me to
>remain in Tyrolia.
I did not ask you to depart. I know better than that. I was just trying
to keep the verbal sparring between you and Germany from escalating.
>Now, if you want to pass on something to Germany, and I've already told him
>this, consider this bit of advice. Prior to his move to Bohemia, the
>discussions in the east never even made mention of Germany and what he was
>doing.
Certain moves are guaranteed to irritate. For example, Moscow->StP,
Munich->Bohemia, and yes, Venice->Tyrolia. There are diplomatic
consequences. I did not know that Germany was going to Bohemia, and when I
saw that he had it was clear that he was stirring up a hornets nest.
>Now, there is a rally cry to stop the EG alliance.
They are very dangerous. It's obvious they will pick up two or three new
centers this year.
>Is that what the two of you really wanted to see happen?
The "two" of us? I have yet to persuade Germany do anything that he was
not already going to do. I have yet to know Germany's moves in advance. I
knew I was taking a risk in attacking France. But, hey, it's an adventure.
>Life is Beautiful,
[So are you when you get worked up. I hadn't seen that side of you before.]
Yours,
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Here is what know or at least believe.
France is trying to orchestrate an FIAR alliance against EGT.
Russia still dislikes Austria and is trying to get German help against
Austria. Germany is worried about Austria and wants some cooperation with
Russia, but the two of them, Germany and Russia, are having trouble
agreeing what to do with the three northern fleets.
Italy and Germany are having words over Tyrolia.
Austria has been quiet.
Italy has been cryptic.
I have reminded Russia that he only has one person he can trust and that is
Turkey. His destruction of the southern fleet instead of his northern
fleet is a good indication of where he stood at the time. I pointed out
that if he believes that IA are solid, then he would be crazy to betray
you. AI would assign Turkish spoils to Italy and Austria would go after
Russia. Why is Austria already in Warsaw, for example?
In short, AI is still solid, so RT have to remain solid.
My self interest in all of this? I think it is obvious. It will take me
so long to get a single center from France that I don't want anyone, not
Austria, not Italy, not Germany, to get up any head of steam while I am
inching along.
Yours,
Ivy
>Ivy,
>
>Sorry for writing at the last minute. I meant to send a letter yesterday,
>but time got away from me. Anyway, I'd like to touch base.
>
>I'm hearing some strange things from Italy, but at this moment I truly don't
>know what to expect from him. My current moves continue my pro-Russian,
>anti-AI stance. However, if some of the talk floating around comes to
>fruition, it could make for some strange bedfellows. If Russian
>associations don't work out in the long run, I'd be better off hitting him
>before he has a chance to grow back.
>
>Unfortunately, I still don't know what to expect in the north, save what I
>see on the board. It seems you and Germany have a pretty solid alliance,
>which speaks well for both of you. An EGT end game would certainly provide
>us both with interesting opportunities. Any advice, thoughts or words of
>wisdom from your perspective would be very much appreciated.
>
>In confidence,
>
>Ali Baba
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Ali asked me for my thoughts on everything, and this is exactly what I wrote.
Ivy
>Ali,
>
>Here is what know or at least believe.
>
>France is trying to orchestrate an FIAR alliance against EGT.
>
>Russia still dislikes Austria and is trying to get German help against
>Austria. Germany is worried about Austria and wants some cooperation with
>Russia, but the two of them, Germany and Russia, are having trouble
>agreeing what to do with the three northern fleets.
>
>Italy and Germany are having words over Tyrolia.
>
>Austria has been quiet.
>Italy has been cryptic.
>
>I have reminded Russia that he only has one person he can trust and that
>is Turkey. His destruction of the southern fleet instead of his northern
>fleet is a good indication of where he stood at the time. I pointed out
>that if he believes that IA are solid, then he would be crazy to betray
>you. AI would assign Turkish spoils to Italy and Austria would go after
>Russia. Why is Austria already in Warsaw, for example?
>
>In short, AI is still solid, so RT have to remain solid.
>
>My self interest in all of this? I think it is obvious. It will take me
>so long to get a single center from France that I don't want anyone, not
>Austria, not Italy, not Germany, to get up any head of steam while I am
>inching along.
>
>Yours,
>
>Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Thanks for your quick reply. It closely matches what I'm hearing. At
least, I've heard rumors that France is floating the FIAR, and also FITR.
FIAR would be difficult with Austria in Warsaw, and also given Russia's
disband. I do expect Russia to attack Austria this turn. But FITR is also
strange, especially given potential GR cooperation against Austria. Oddly,
it seems to me that GR are willing to cooperate with each other for now,
despite the fact that they both seem to anticipate conflict afterward.
So, as I said, strange bedfellows.
Most of the others don't seem to share you pessimism regardin your chances
in France. However, I think you're right that progress in France could be
slow. Be that as it may, Italy might be feeling that if he continues on his
present course, he'll have no say in what happens to France one way or the
other. Part of his reason for moving to Tyr, or so he said, was to
influence the F/G balance of power. Whether he means to ultimately support
France or attack him remains unclear.
One thing most people seem to be banking on is the strength of the EG
alliance. A rock-solid alliance is often perceived as a real threat, for
good reason. If indeed your progress against France is slow, and if indeed
Germany embarks on a southern campaign, Germany might start to present
better opportunities for English expansion, or might start to outpace
English growth. Is your alliance as strong as everyone assumes, and would
you stay the course against France in such a scenario?
I'm not asking you to say more than you feel comfortable with, and I realize
much of what I write is pure speculation. But I enjoy your press for the
simple reason that I don't feel I need to wade through the BS, which I
greatly appreciate. I look forward to hearing your thoughts whenever you
get a chance.
Best regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to England
>
> He always has the right to ask.
>
Correct. Bad choice of words on my part. He can ask anything. He came
across as if he was expecting me to support France into Munich and to
alleviate his fear of attack he was considering forcefully removing my army.
That didn't sit well with the Vatican who is opposed to any type of military
force (unless it is used against the Turks).
>
> I did not ask you to depart. I know better than that. I was
> just trying to keep the verbal sparring between you and
> Germany from escalating.
>
It has calmed down. I sent a proposal to Germany asking him to retreat from
Bohemia and then I would retreat from Tyrolia. Yes, I would expect him to
move first as defense of my allies home centers is vital to my long-term
survival.
>
> Certain moves are guaranteed to irritate. For example, Moscow->StP,
> Munich->Bohemia, and yes, Venice->Tyrolia.
But the critical difference, to my knowledge at least, is that Germany had
prior knowledge of my move and had previously consented to allow either
Austria or myself to occupy Tyrolia. As far as I can tell, you did not know
about Moscow->Stp and Austria and I certainly were unaware of
Munich->Bohemia. When somebody makes an "irritating" move and then
immediately pleads innocent and asks for a favor is not the approach I would
condone.
>
> >Now, there is a rally cry to stop the EG alliance.
>
> They are very dangerous. It's obvious they will pick up two
> or three new centers this year.
>
[sarcasm mode off] :)
It's believed that, if not checked, EG could become a major problem within a
couple of years. It may not happen this year but I could certainly envision
three or more centers going EG's way in a few years.
>
> >Is that what the two of you really wanted to see happen?
>
> The "two" of us? I have yet to persuade Germany do anything
> that he was not already going to do.
>
That's the perception in the east that EG are one and the same until proven
otherwise. Guilty by association I guess.
>
> >Life is Beautiful,
>
> [So are you when you get worked up. I hadn't seen that side
> of you before.]
>
Hey, what can I say, I'm Italian.
Btw, I'll be moving Nap-Tys this spring. If I can get my share of Iberia, I
think I can calm the fears of EG in the east.
Roberto
Message from Russia to England and Germany
Gentlemen,
If we can agree to GoB-Lvn, Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, I will
agree to not build in St. Petersburg this Fall. Is this
acceptable to you both?
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
> Russia is the wild card right now.
Yes, we need him on our side, if only for a turn or two.
> Italy and Austria has also been less than cordial. Italy and I are
>'having words' over his army in TYR. I want it out of there before it
>can be used against me. He says its only for defense. Something is going
>to give.
I asked Italy about this and he went into a long digression about how he
had your approval to go into Tyrolia. That's past history. What matters
now is the current threat Tyrolia poses. I can't imaging that Italy will
retreat, so you may wish to ease off a little on your request in the
interest of diplomacy. You never know when Italy may be needed as a friend
against Austria. In the meantime Bohemia sup Munich can be considered.
It's actually Bohemia that has everyone riled up. 8-)
> FAIR could be becoming a reality. It all hinges on Russia. IF he hangs
>with Turkey or turns against him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia
>attack Turkey, even this turn.
I have tried very hard to persuade Russia not to do that. In all honesty,
I think it would be a huge strategic error. Austria and Italy appear to be
solid. If so, Italy is "assigned" Turkish lands, while Austria "claims"
Russian land. Heck, Russia can see that Austria is already in Warsaw.
Does Russia really believe he has any future in an alliance with Austria?
That's what I said to Russia in so many words.
By the way, lacking anything better for Belgium, I have entered Bel supp
Mun->Burgundy. What you actually do is another matter. One possibility is
Munich supp Bohemia and Bohemia supp Munich, a wait and see ploy that might
ease some worries of EG domination and reduce talk of a FAIR alliance.
I hope you can work something out with Russia. My experience with him is
that once he introduces a suggestion he never backs off. He will probably
insist on Bal->Pru & Swe->Bal right up to the last minute. He reminds me
of a certain party from my last game.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
I've been considering the political situation, and I had to write with one
additional thought. I am beginning to think it likely that Italy may indeed
change course, attack Austria and form an alliance with France. Russia and
I were quick to ally in the face of AI pressure; but once that pressure is
gone, it is likely that RI will combine their efforts to squeeze me out. FI
are more likely to want Russia as their "third leg", since he can still
build northern fleets to attack you, and he can build much closer to
Germany.
I am determined not to let this happen, and so I'm starting to worry that my
associations with Russia are about to take a turn for the worse. Let's just
say that if, in the fall, your F Nwg has been moved into position to attack
StP, I would not be disappointed. After all, France isn't your only avenue
of expansion.
If all goes well this turn, there is a slim chance I may be able to hit Sev
in the fall as well. Of course, the result might be very different from the
one I'm hoping for, in which case I might very well be unable to prevent a
Russian build. And there's at least a reasonable chance that Russia will
gain Budapest and/or Warsaw this year, so I think some pre-emptive action on
our parts would be well-advised. Neither of us really wants to find out the
hard way what Russia would build, if he builds.
Of course, I write this in the strictest of confidence. I look forward to
your reply,
Ali
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>it seems to me that GR are willing to cooperate with each other for now,
>despite the fact that they both seem to anticipate conflict afterward.
They are still having a difficult time with fleet arrangements.
>Most of the others don't seem to share you pessimism regardin your chances
>in France.
Its the _rate_ of progress that worries me.
> Germany might ... start to outpace English growth.
>Is your alliance as strong as everyone assumes, and would
>you stay the course against France in such a scenario?
I think the alliance is strong. I would definately NOT "stay the course"
if Germany outpaced me. He knows that that is a no-no. My goal in this
game has been stated very clearly to Germany. It is to survive with
strength equal to, but not greater than, other survivors. I don't want a
target on my back because I am dangerous. I have no hope of growing
rapidly, and I don't want to. Germany knows that he must not grow while I
inch across the Atlantic. I don't expect Germany to make a play for any
centers this year.
When I say that the alliance is strong, those words have to be taken within
the context of "titleist" and the quality of players in the game. We are
not going to see silly stabs or entertaining novelties. We may see
alliance switching based on sound strategies. For example, if I am a
survivor and France is not, I am completely open to reconfigured alliances
afterwards. I have no idea at this writing if it would be better to have a
Mediterranean strategy or a northern strategy.
By the way, you have a most interesting tactical situation down there.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>It has calmed down. I sent a proposal to Germany asking him to retreat from
>Bohemia and then I would retreat from Tyrolia.
Not too different from what I suggested. I suggested that he calmly use
Bohemia to support Munich and make no further agressives moves with it.
>It's believed that, if not checked, EG could become a major problem within a
>couple of years.
Well, I certainly hope so.
>It may not happen this year but I could certainly envision
>three or more centers going EG's way in a few years.
Again, I hope so. Just enough to match Austria/Italian progress. No more,
no less.
Look, I want the EG partnership to work. My goal in this game has been
stated very clearly to Germany. It is to survive with strength equal to,
but not greater than, other survivors. I don't want a target on my back
because I am dangerous. I have no hope of growing rapidly, and I don't
want to. Germany knows that he must not grow while I inch across the
Atlantic. I don't expect Germany to make a play for any centers this year.
If Germany races ahead of me, then our alliance is over -- and I am in
deep trouble.
What does this all mean in the long run? Given the quality of players in
the game, we are not going to see silly stabs or entertaining novelties.
We will see alliance switching based on sound strategies. For example, if
I am a survivor and France is not, I am completely open to reconfigured
alliances afterwards.
>That's the perception in the east that EG are one and the same until proven
>otherwise. Guilty by association I guess.
Yeah. Fair enough. But read the moves. Notice the perfect EG
coordination. Communication has stunk, but we are getting better.
>Btw, I'll be moving Nap-Tys this spring. If I can get my share of Iberia, I
>think I can calm the fears of EG in the east.
And/or Marseilles?
I would be delighted with Nap-Tys-Lyo. Even more with Tys-Pie. You know
that Germany is not really going to attack Italy.
Can we agree that Western Med is off limits?
I like this, Roberto. This is getting interesting!
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> By the way, you have a most interesting tactical situation down there.
I have to ask, what are your thoughts on it? My moves are fairly well
shored up at this point, but I'd love to hear an "outsider's view" of the
tactical situation. I'm too close to it, and I've gone around in cicles
enough that it's hard to think straight. Time permitting, of course.
Ali
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>I've been considering the political situation, and I had to write with one
>additional thought. I am beginning to think it likely that Italy may indeed
>change course, attack Austria and form an alliance with France.
I would be shocked if Italy attacked Austria. As for Italy/France, they
have been close from the beginning.
>Russia and
>I were quick to ally in the face of AI pressure; but once that pressure is
>gone, it is likely that RI will combine their efforts to squeeze me out. FI
>are more likely to want Russia as their "third leg", since he can still
>build northern fleets to attack you, and he can build much closer to
>Germany.
All this presumes that Austria is gone or no longer threatens Russia. I
would be amazed of that happened anytime soon.
>I am determined not to let this happen, and so I'm starting to worry that my
>associations with Russia are about to take a turn for the worse.
Perhaps you have information that I don't have. Russia is too preoccupied
with Scandinavia and Warsaw this year.
>Let's just
>say that if, in the fall, your F Nwg has been moved into position to attack
>StP, I would not be disappointed. After all, France isn't your only avenue
>of expansion.
I think all the world knows that Nwg has to head for the North Atlantic.
If I tried to expand to the north, France would rip me to shreads from the
rear. I respect your request, but I just can't oblige.
>If all goes well this turn, there is a slim chance I may be able to hit Sev
>in the fall as well.
Only if Italy hits Austria in the spring would this be a sane thing to do.
Ooh, too strong; I am sure you are sane. 8-)
> And there's at least a reasonable chance that Russia will
>gain Budapest and/or Warsaw this year,
Budapest, no. Warsaw, yes indeed! Is that so bad?
Look, you have to have an ally. You have to. Who is it going to be? I
can't do much for you, even if I sent a fleet north. You must have either
Russia or Austria or Italy. If all three of them are against you, it's
over. Right now you have Russia, no matter how tenuous. Is Austria or
Italy promising you something if you stab Russia? Why should you believe
them? Ask Italy to stab Austria in the spring. Then you will happily turn
on Russia. Or ask Austria to support you back into Smyrna in the fall.
Then you will happily turn on Russia. But if one of them is expecting you
to stab Russia with only promises of a future alliance, ... .
>Of course, I write this in the strictest of confidence. I look forward to
>your reply,
I don't think I wrote what you wanted.
Still your friend. Hang in there.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany and Russia
Nick and Fred,
> If we can agree to GoB-Lvn, Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, I will
>agree to not build in St. Petersburg this Fall. Is this
>acceptable to you both?
I cannot in good conscience recommend that Sweden be vacated while a
Russian fleet is in Bothnia, at least not at this early stage of the
German/Russian relationship. I say this because, I don't think I would
want to move Sweden in the spring if I were Germany. Bothnia threatens
Sweden but Sweden does not threaten anything that belongs to Russia.
If the two of you want to consider Swe holds, Bal-Pru, GoB-Lvn, I see that
as a plausible compromise. After all it is the occupation of Prussia and
Livonia that should matter most in an anti-Austria campaign.
Why does Sweden have to be in Baltic? It is no farther from StP in the
Baltic than it is in Sweden?
Just my two cents.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
In my earlier dialog with Russia over his move Moscow->StP, I learned that
he is incredibly pig-headed. Once he asks for something, he never backs
down. He thinks that if he says something 20 times that everyone is
supposed to believe him.
I DO believe him, but you have to decide for yourself. I really cannot
recommend vacating Sweden. Anything else is OK.
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>I have to ask, what are your thoughts on it? My moves are fairly well
>shored up at this point, but I'd love to hear an "outsider's view" of the
>tactical situation.
Rum & Gre supp Con-Bul
Ank supp Black->Con
Expect Aeg s Ion-Gre, but Greece can retreat to Albania and be very
effective there in the fall. I doubt that Austria will go for Romania in
the spring, but Romania can always retreat to Sev and attack back in the
fall. Its important that you get an army in Bulgaria to connect your
units.
Easy for me to say!
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Perhaps you have information that I don't have. Russia is too preoccupied
> with Scandinavia and Warsaw this year.
Here is what I am hearing. Italy has written to me and Russia, proclaiming
he's changed sides. The jist of it involves Tyr-Tri, Smy-Alb, with Alb-Gre
in the fall in exchange for Smyrna. He has also proposed Gre-Ser, Rum S
Bud-Gal. Indeed, there has been discussion between GRT about this very
combination, together with Boh-Vie to cut support.
France has confirmed that he's been lobbying Italy hard to change the 2-on-2
dynamic in the south. It could be that it's all just a big ploy to gain
some AI advantage against RT, but the more I hear, the less likely this
seems. So, it is at least possible that Gal will move to Bud, in which case
War-Gal, Mos-War may follow. Russia would go from being "on the ropes" to
being quite viable in a big hurry.
> I think all the world knows that Nwg has to head for the North Atlantic.
> If I tried to expand to the north, France would rip me to shreads from the
> rear. I respect your request, but I just can't oblige.
I think that until Italy is in place to assist him, France is purely in
defense mode. MAO-NAO gains him nothing if IRI S Eng-MAO, Lon-Eng. You'd
be able to bounce him in Lpl and still waltz into Por unopposed, then build
F Lpl and it would be over before it began. I fully expect Gas/Pic S Bur,
Bur S Pic, Bre S MAO or something along those lines. But of course, I also
recognize that this is entirely your call, and I'll respect whatever
decision you make.
>
> >If all goes well this turn, there is a slim chance I may be able to hit
Sev
> >in the fall as well.
>
> Only if Italy hits Austria in the spring would this be a sane thing to do.
> Ooh, too strong; I am sure you are sane. 8-)
Well... sometimes I wonder about that myself. I agree, the planets would
have to line up just right in order for it to happen. But if they do line
up just right, I'm not ruling it out. Just wanted you to be aware in case
it affected your plans.
> I don't think I wrote what you wanted.
Heh heh, as long as you wrote what you really think, that's what I wanted.
I'd much rather get honest replies that "aren't what I want to hear" than to
be strung along on false promises.
I have no wish to be duped by Italy for a second time, and I'm determined to
defend against it. As I said, I will be ordering pro-Russian and anti-AI
this turn. However, I also want to be prepared for the possibility that
Italy might change course. Again, I ask for strictest secrecy on the above
for obvious reasons.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to England and Germany
Gentlemen,
I Wrote > >
> > If we can agree to GoB-Lvn, Bal-Pru, Swe-Bal, I will agree to not
> > build in St. Petersburg this Fall. Is this acceptable to you both?
>
> I cannot in good conscience recommend that Sweden be vacated while
> a Russian fleet is in Bothnia, at least not at this early stage of the
> German/Russian relationship. Bothnia threatens Sweden but Sweden
> does not threaten anything that belongs to Russia.
Oh, come now, am I likely to trade German cooperation against
Austria, and StP, for Sweden? Do I really strike you as that much of
a fool? I'm offering to remove the potential threat to Swe, and agree
to not build in StP, in return German support in my attacks on Austria.
I know that Austria is lobbying Germany for cooperation against me,
why would I give Germany the least excuse to work with him?
> Why does Sweden have to be in Baltic? It is no farther from StP
> in the Baltic than it is in Sweden?
It increases the security of Norway, and opens the option for
Pru S Bal-Lvn, rebuild F Lvn as an Army, in the Fall.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Turkey
>> Perhaps you have information that I don't have.
>Here is what I am hearing. Italy has written to me ...
Wow! What do you have to lose as long as Italy goes first? Let him make
those moves.
Here's what you can say to help him along. You've probably said it already
anyway.
(1) If he went against Austria he could count on your help 100%. Obviously
true.
(2) You only have one fleet, ideal for a trusting relationship between
Italy and Turkey. Turkey would concentrate on interior Austria and Russia
with armies.
(3) Italy would be more compact. She often has a great problem with being
spread too thin between Turkey and Iberia.
(4) Italy could more easily turn west and request or demand part of France
from England. That would keep England from getting too big. [I could use
some help with France. 8-)]
Ivy
Message from England to Germany and Russia
Nick,
> Oh, come now, am I likely to trade German cooperation against
>Austria, and StP, for Sweden? Do I really strike you as that much of
>a fool?
I think you and I have met before in a pre-existence. Only a guess. 8-)
It may be tough going at times, but I know we can work together.
As for the issue at hand, I now leave it to the two of you. Please don't
let small differences ruin the big picture.
I soon have to go out until late this evening.
Good luck.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Wow! What do you have to lose as long as Italy goes first? Let him make
> those moves.
>
> Here's what you can say to help him along. You've probably said it
already
> anyway.
As you surmised, these arguments (or some verion of them) have indeed been
discussed. At first I was hesitant to believe Italy, and I'm still far from
convinced, but it all fell into place when I received France's press. He
admitted that he at first pushed for IAR vs. T, but Austria and Russia
couldn't get along, so it became ITR vs. A. But in the long run, FIRT
doesn't hold water. IRT armies are going to dismantle Austria, then all
work together to fight Germany? Maybe in a care-bear game, but I don't
expect to see such a thing here.
Of course, it's impossible to say what will really happen. But France says
he's pretty confident Italy will attack Austria. If Tyr-Tri, Gal-Bud,
Mos-War all go, then Austria will be decimated quickly, and only Russia and
Italy benefit. After that, I think Italy will pick an ally in either me or
Russia. If I come out of this strong, and Russia weak, then I've reason to
believe he'll side with me. On the other hand, if Russia looks viable, then
he presents a more attractive ally to both Italy and France.
Italy tells me that long-term, he envisions IT vs. EG, with G/T competing
for the center, and E/I competing for the seas. He is likely saying the
same thing to Russia about IR. Either way, it would imply that he may turn
on France sooner than later; but if he continues with the AI vs. RT, he
won't have the resources to influence France either way.
So, if this all comes about... and I realize it's still a big "if"... then
EGT cooperation against Russia would seem to be in both our best interests.
And given your concerns about slow progress in France, I figured, English
control of StP might solve both our problems.
If it turns out that Italy sticks with Austria after all, then the current
plan could still hurt Austria, especially if Germany and Russia cooperate.
We both know they've been talking about it, and I've certainly been
encouraging it in hopes that Austria will take a hit.
Anyway, I think this is going to be a real interesting turn. It's still
entirely possible that I might be in for a big surprise, and I've got backup
plans in place should that occur. But if Italy makes the turn, then it will
be a whole new ballgame in the south.
Best regards,
Ali
Message from Turkey to England
I really should proof-read these things *before* I send them...
> He has also proposed Gre-Ser, Rum S Bud-Gal.
Clearly, I meant Rum S Gal-Bud, not the other way around.
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
I am still scratching my head in disbelief. Why should Italy think he
could survive in Trieste if he went there in the spring?
Anyway, please don't make moves that help AI, just in case AI is still
together. Italy was the agressor against you, so he is required to
make-anti Austrian moves before you can trust him again.
By the way, Italy is moving to the Tyrhennian this turn. That could be
consistent with any Italian plans.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> I am still scratching my head in disbelief. Why should Italy think he
> could survive in Trieste if he went there in the spring?
There are a number of ways to protect Trieste. For one thing, if Gal-Bud
goes, then Austrian A Bud will be destroyed, and Russian A Bud S Tri should
do the trick. Otherwise, Gal-Vie (or Boh-Vie), Rum-Bud (or Gal-Bud),
Gre-Ser (or Bul-Ser, or Rum-Ser) would cut all possible Austrian supports.
That's been the discussion, at any rate.
> Anyway, please don't make moves that help AI, just in case AI is still
> together. Italy was the agressor against you, so he is required to
> make-anti Austrian moves before you can trust him again.
Trust me, I won't do anything until I see Italy's cards on the table. I
figure Gre-Ser, Rum S Gal-Bud serves the RT vs. AI purposes. In Turkey/Bul,
I'm torn between Con-Bul, Ank S Bla-Con and Bla S Con, Con S Ank-Smy. The
best-case scenario is Ser S Aeg-Gre, with Bla S Con. If Italy then moves as
promised, then Gre retreats to Bul, enabling Bul S Alb-Gre and Con-Bla-Sev
in the fall.
> By the way, Italy is moving to the Tyrhennian this turn. That could be
> consistent with any Italian plans.
Yes, and consistent with IRT discussions. Italy's expressed desire is to
move his fleets west as quickly as possible, while trading Gre for Smy,
while gaining the build for Trieste. Under this scenario, my only real
options for growth are either Sevastopol or Serbia. If possible, I don't
want to see Italy and Russia building while I hold even, as I'm sure you can
appreciate.
Any chance any of this might change your mind about F Nwg?
Ali
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>Any chance any of this might change your mind about F Nwg?
No, Nwg->North Atlantic is part of my plans to guarantee entry into the
mid-Atlantic by fall. Without that move, I make no progress against France
whatsoever.
Don't worry too much about Russia. If what you say is true, then Austria
will immediately be a non-entity. Germany will no longer feel the need to
save Russia. You and Germany can slice him apart.
Then we will all have to worry about Germany! Isn't this fun?
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
> Message from England to Germany and Russia in 'titleist':
Ivy,
> > Oh, come now, am I likely to trade German cooperation against
> > Austria, and StP, for Sweden? Do I really strike you as that much
> > of a fool?
> I think you and I have met before in a pre-existence. Only a guess. 8-)
Given that we theoretically played with 21 for the 50 players during
the first two rounds, and each of us played with one or two of the other
finalists in our semifinal game, I would suspect that the odds favor that.
(Karlis said on r.g.d that he had faced 6 of the 7 finalists in his games.)
I doubt that I'm the only player who uses righteous indignation to cover
my true intentions, though. 8-) (I've already speculated to Doug on
the identities of several players in my 1902 EoY, but we probably
shouldn't discuss this further between ourselves.)
Nick.
Message from England to Master
Doug,
I think he is the individual who played Germany in splinter. He argues
endlessly, never giving ground. Actually maybe he is worse than Germany in
"splinter."
I can't believe the stuff that Turkey is predicting about Italy's moves.
We'll see.
Allen
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> No, Nwg->North Atlantic is part of my plans to guarantee entry into the
> mid-Atlantic by fall. Without that move, I make no progress against
France
> whatsoever.
Fair enough. Can't blame me for trying. In a way, that might even work in
my favor, since it may scare the hell out of Italy, and anything that gets
his fleets out of my face is all good.
> Don't worry too much about Russia. If what you say is true, then Austria
> will immediately be a non-entity. Germany will no longer feel the need to
> save Russia. You and Germany can slice him apart.
I hope so. I do wish Germany wrote more often; at this point I'm not even
sure of Boh-Vie, although the last press I received from Germany was
enthusiastic about it.
> Then we will all have to worry about Germany! Isn't this fun?
Heheh, indeed. As long as I'm still around to worry about anyone, I'll be
happy.
Please keep all of this under your hat, things could really go wrong if it
all becomes general knowledge. I'm risking a lot in revealing as much to
you as I have. I can only hope that you share my view that our long-term
interests coincide, and I hope you will treat my confidences accordingly.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Italy to England
>
> Not too different from what I suggested. I suggested that he
> calmly use Bohemia to support Munich and make no further
> agressives moves with it.
>
I can live with that. Perhaps we can move at the same time in the fall.
>
> Again, I hope so. Just enough to match Austria/Italian
> progress. No more, no less.
>
Fair enough.
>
> we are not going to see silly stabs or entertaining novelties.
Oh, I don't know about that. Belgium->Holland must look inviting. :)
>
> Yeah. Fair enough. But read the moves. Notice the perfect EG
> coordination. Communication has stunk, but we are getting better.
>
Other than Bel s Mun->Bur (* void *), they look fairly well coordinated to
me.
Just so you know, I have no qualms about the EG alliance. I support it
fully. At least until France is eliminated and then I don't like it so
much.
>
> And/or Marseilles?
>
I kinda usually consider Marseilles part of Iberia. Germany told me he has
no problem with you getting all of France. Obviously, I wouldn't want that
but he seemed disinterested in moving west. What has he asked for out of
France if anything at all?
>
> Can we agree that Western Med is off limits?
>
I can tentatively agree to that but I can't fully commit yet to not moving
to the Western Med. After all, you might actually want my assistance to
reach the MAO or risk leaving yourself exposed in Norway.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from England to Italy
>> And/or Marseilles?
>
>I kinda usually consider Marseilles part of Iberia.
Oh. I guess I need a geography lesson.
>Germany told me he has
>no problem with you getting all of France. Obviously, I wouldn't want that
>but he seemed disinterested in moving west. What has he asked for out of
>France if anything at all?
When you declined to get involved with France earlier, Germany suggested
that I get all of France. He would take Norway and possibly Belgium, but
only when that could be done without unbalancing us.
If you want part of France that is fine with me. I think I made that
obvious from the beginning. It means I will be a little smaller, and that
Germany may not be getting Norway and/or Belgium, at least not with my
blessing. I just want to survive. I don't want my head sticking up any
higher than anyone elses. It would just get shot off.
>> Can we agree that Western Med is off limits?
>I can tentatively agree to that but I can't fully commit yet to not moving
>to the Western Med. After all, you might actually want my assistance to
>reach the MAO or risk leaving yourself exposed in Norway.
I will be in the Western Med by fall on my own. I will either leave myself
exposed in Norway or, if I think it advisable, move Lon-Nth-Nor.
Leaving Western Med off limits would be the key to a very profitable
relationship between us. If France were gone, it would be much easier for
me to work in the north nearer to my supply centers than to attempt an
adventure in the Mediterranean. There is a natural defense line between
France and Italy; none between England and Germany.
Ivy Wingo
p.s. Is England part of Iberia also? Just how big is this place?
Message from Germany to England and Russia
Nick:
I've been away from email since this morning and the press has piled
up. I'm glad that I missed the exchange.
I agree with Ivy. Staying in SWE is the best move for me. It leaves
me no closer to STP than the Baltic. So the threat to you is exactly the
same. Plus as an added bonus I protect SWE and NWY from you. Certainly
you see the possibility of GOB- SWE and then to NWY. While I move to
BAL. Although I'll admit the risk of you actually doing that is small,
the loss if it happens is great.
I can agree to BAL-PUR with GOB-LVN. SWE holds
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
> In my earlier dialog with Russia over his move Moscow->StP, I
> learned that he is incredibly pig-headed. Once he asks for
> something, he never backs down. He thinks that if he says
> something 20 times that everyone is supposed to believe him.
I won't vacate SWE this turn. Unless it's to attack GOB. I've sent a
message to Nick saying that SWE stays. I go along with your assessment
of the Bear. Although there is no good reason to go to BAL over SWE, I
don't expect him to acquiess.
If he doesn't get on board, I might just have to attack. But I will
make sure that he doesn't get around to attack NWY.
Italy is showing the same stubbornness about getting out of TYR. At
least his last press showed some willingness to bend. Thanks for your
help there.
The trouble with both of these is that there's no good reason to take
the tack that they're taking. To me they're sending up a flare saying
'I can't do that, because it'll mess up my plans to attack you , soon'.
Fredd
Message from France to all
It is too bad that we did not get the results in last
night. I must leave on a trip in a couple of hours. I
will be gone through next weekend. I was hoping to see
what evil was done (to me an others). We were doing so
well with meeting the deadlines :-)
I am not the person late, therefore my absence will not
hold up processing this set of moves. I asked Doug to
advance the deadline for the next set of moves that I
have orders due. If for some reasons you feel that you
must talk to either Prince Boar or the Dauphin during a
retreat phase (if one occurs) and I do not have a
retreat, then you will have to work that out with Doug.
Regards,
France
Message from Russia to England and Germany
> Message from Germany to Russia and England in 'titleist':
>
> I agree with Ivy. Staying in SWE is the best move for me. It leaves
> me no closer to StP than the Baltic. So the threat to you is exactly the
> same.
Swe HOLD may be the best move for you, but the threat that F Swe,
F Pru presents to me and to StP is not the same as that posed by F Bal,
F Pru. You may not see the difference, but it is there.
> Plus as an added bonus I protect SWE and NWY from you. Certainly
> you see the possibility of GOB- SWE and then to NWY.
Yes, I also see the possibility of Swe-Nwy, Bal C Ber-Swe, followed
by Nwy-Nth, Bal-Den, Swe-Nwy, but I suppose that if Ivy sees GoB-Swe,
followed by Swe-Nwy as a greater threat, then Swe HOLD makes sense.
(Can you sense the irony dripping off that statement???)
Nick
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna (*void*)
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet London → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Brest → English Channel (*dislodged*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Belgium
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Sweden → Gulf of Bothnia
Germany: Army Berlin → Prussia
Germany: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Munich
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Bohemia
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT English Army Belgium
Germany: Fleet Sweden → Gulf of Bothnia
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean CONVOY Army Smyrna → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Smyrna → Albania
Italy: Fleet Naples → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Army Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea → Albania
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Trieste
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Livonia
Russia: Army Moscow → Warsaw
Turkey: Army Ankara → Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Greece SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia
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