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Message from Turkey to Italy
>
> Italy: Removes the fleet in the Ionian Sea.
> Italy: Removes the fleet in Albania.
that's an awfully interesting set of orders!
Have you made piece with Austria?
I plan on doing what we talked about. Taking Moscow and then holding SEV. I
don't think I can hold RUmania and won't even really try. I am kind of
secretly hoping that Austria and Russia screw eachother out of it, and I keep
it for another turn. So basically I will stay at the same number of centers
(hopefuly)..such not to scare anyone.
What are you up to this year?
oh yeah, also, for long-term stuff, I still think except for Russia (and maybe
germany?) that this game is wide open. Besides my own well being (and yours of
course)...my only longterm concern is that France doesn't get Tunis. I'm sure
you share this same concern.
Turkey
Message from Russia to Germany and Italy
Gentlemen,
Well, there is good news and bad news in the Adjustments. The
English F Lvp can be useful against France, but Dave is, so far
unconvinced of the necessity of cooperation against France. I've
pretty clearly laid out the danger of a French Solo to him, and
to Turkey, if France takes Tunis. The Turk, has, unfortunately,
ignored my warnings. We'll have to see what England says.
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Turkey
> that's an awfully interesting set of orders!
>
> Have you made piece with Austria?
Thanks and hopefully. I also hope that the peace that we have talked
about is lasting. I really felt I couldn't afford to disband anything
else, or I would have b een stuck on 4 forever. This at least gives me
options and reasons for people to talk to me.
> I plan on doing what we talked about. Taking Moscow and then holding SEV. I
> don't think I can hold RUmania and won't even really try. I am kind of
> secretly hoping that Austria and Russia screw eachother out of it, and I keep
> it for another turn. So basically I will stay at the same number of centers
> (hopefuly)..such not to scare anyone.
I think that's the best optino for you too.
> What are you up to this year?
Not sure. Hopefully I can get a center somewhere, and also get France to
back off his fleet attacks. Diplomatically would be preferred, but if he
won't, then it gives me no choice really but to attack him, don't you
think?
> oh yeah, also, for long-term stuff, I still think except for Russia (and maybe
> germany?) that this game is wide open. Besides my own well being (and yours of
> course)...my only longterm concern is that France doesn't get Tunis. I'm sure
> you share this same concern.
I do, as mentioned above. If you can convince France to back off,
anything you do will be appreciated in Italy.
Luigi
Message from Italy to Russia
> Well, there is good news and bad news in the Adjustments. The
> English F Lvp can be useful against France, but Dave is, so far
> unconvinced of the necessity of cooperation against France. I've
> pretty clearly laid out the danger of a French Solo to him, and
> to Turkey, if France takes Tunis. The Turk, has, unfortunately,
> ignored my warnings. We'll have to see what England says.
That's my take on England as well. He feels kind of betrayed by Germany's
previous moves, while having had good relations with Tamas. I too am
leery of a French solo, and hope to keep him out of Tunis, while
simultaneously holding back AT till I can do something about it. At
least, that's the theory...
If England won't leave France's side, well then we may need to take him
out as well.
Message from Italy to Germany
So, I decided to keep A Ruh. Not sure if that was wise or not, but hey I
ugess we'll see now... Russia removed F Bal which was key. He'll also
soon lose Moscow, assuming Turkey continues north. So he may be willin to
help us against FE.
Mun S Ruh-Bur, Hol S Nth-Bel, Kie-Ruh? Should get us Belgium in the fall
and perhaps a shot at Par or Mar.
Thoughts?
Message from Italy to France
Thoughts on how we should proceed and try to extricate ourselves from this
mess? Naturally I'm going to have to ask you to remove Pie (to Mar maybe
or Tyl?) and your fleets westwards.
Mario
Message from Italy to England
Let me know if you see a way we can cooperate. Germany's got a lot of
units next to Holland, so that probably doesn't make sense, at least for
now.
Thoughts on how we could proceed?
Message from Italy to Austria
Andy,
I have to say that with the French massing on my border, I would be much
obliged if we could declare Tri/Ven a no-go zone.
Also, with Turkey looking to pick up Moscow this year, you may want to put
some pressure on Greece or he's going to become a real solo threat.
He also may not guard Rumania if he goes Sev-Mos, so in that case you
could pick up Gre and Rum potentially this year, and be righgt back in
this thing. Bet you didn't see that likely happening when you signed on
to this position :-)
Mario
Message from Russia to Italy
Mario,
> That's my take on England as well. He feels kind of betrayed by
> Germany's previous moves, while having had good relations with Tamas.
:nods: I have a pretty good relation with Dave; I'm hoping I can lead
him step by step from the current position to the French Solo, if he lets
Tamas use him.
> I too am leery of a French solo, and hope to keep him out of Tunis,
> while simultaneously holding back AT till I can do something about
> it. At least, that's the theory...
Austria recognizes the French threat, so I don't believe he'll attack you.
He also knows that working with Turkey will not gain him much, if
anything, so I believe that he will work with me against Turkey.
> If England won't leave France's side, well then we may need to take
> him out as well.
I warned Dave that if he sided with France, I'd have to help Germany
attack him.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Italy
> I have to say that with the French massing on my border, I would be much
> obliged if we could declare Tri/Ven a no-go zone.
Does that mean that VEN will be empty at the end of spring.
>
> Also, with Turkey looking to pick up Moscow this year, you may want to put
> some pressure on Greece or he's going to become a real solo threat.
Give me some credit for being able to read the board.
> He also may not guard Rumania if he goes Sev-Mos, so in that case you
> could pick up Gre and Rum potentially this year, and be righgt back in
> this thing. Bet you didn't see that likely happening when you signed on
> to this position :-)
I am still weighing lots of options, I have no real reason to attack you,
but your wanting to make Tri/Ven a DMZ with a French army in PIE makes me
very nervous.
Help me out here, this sounds like a pack of lies
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria
> Give me some credit for being able to read the board.
I keep forgetting you're not the same guy as the first Austria :-)
> I am still weighing lots of options, I have no real reason to attack you,
> but your wanting to make Tri/Ven a DMZ with a French army in PIE makes me
> very nervous.
> Help me out here, this sounds like a pack of lies
No it's not - I hope to convince France to move back west. Diplomatically
if possible, but if he won't do that then I'll have to do it by force, and
hope that you and Turkey don't eat me up. So, naturally, I'm trying to
calm the borders I have on the east. I'd like to mvoe A Ven to Rom/Apu to
cover Tunis from the inevitable Turkish fleet in the Ionian (I hope he
doesn't move there but I'm not holding my breath)
Mario
Message from Austria to Italy
>
>
> > Give me some credit for being able to read the board.
>
> I keep forgetting you're not the same guy as the first Austria :-)
>
ROFL....that is funny....
> > I am still weighing lots of options, I have no real reason to attack you,
> > but your wanting to make Tri/Ven a DMZ with a French army in PIE makes me
> > very nervous.
> > Help me out here, this sounds like a pack of lies
>
> No it's not - I hope to convince France to move back west. Diplomatically
> if possible, but if he won't do that then I'll have to do it by force, and
> hope that you and Turkey don't eat me up. So, naturally, I'm trying to
> calm the borders I have on the east. I'd like to mvoe A Ven to Rom/Apu to
> cover Tunis from the inevitable Turkish fleet in the Ionian (I hope he
> doesn't move there but I'm not holding my breath)
Good luck.
I am advising the Turk to let you fight the French, and leave you alone.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
>Let me know if you see a way we can cooperate. Germany's got a lot of
>units next to Holland, so that probably doesn't make sense, at least for
>now.
How would you feel about Ruh-Hol, Bel S Ruh-Hol, Edi-NTH (cutting support)? If Germany isn't suspecting, and doesn't order support from Kiel, you would take Holland AND force a German disband...that extra SC might be nice in fighting off France, eh?
Message from Italy to England
> How would you feel about Ruh-Hol, Bel S Ruh-Hol, Edi-NTH (cutting support)?
> If Germany isn't suspecting, and doesn't order support from Kiel, you
>would
>take Holland AND force a German disband...that extra SC might be nice in
>fighting off France, eh?
>
Well, if I'm fighting France, then I can't really afford to annoy Germany,
don't you think? Still, such a scenario might make sense if I join you
and France against Germany. Though it might make more sense to accept
France's support into Munich, should he give it
Message from Italy to Austria
> I am advising the Turk to let you fight the French, and leave you alone.
So does that mean you can spare Tri-Alb? If I can't/don't move out of Ven
in spring (if I bounce France in Pie or something), you can always move
F Alb back, or use A Vie/Bud to bounce me in Tri
Message from Austria to Italy
> Message from dan@insidecorner.com as Italy to Austria in 'comments':
>
>
> > I am advising the Turk to let you fight the French, and leave you alone.
>
> So does that mean you can spare Tri-Alb? If I can't/don't move out of Ven
> in spring (if I bounce France in Pie or something), you can always move
> F Alb back, or use A Vie/Bud to bounce me in Tri
I can, but my move to ALB only does one thing. Threatens Turkey. And
Turkey is my friend right now, I have no reason to threaten them,
especially on a spring turn.
Budapest will likely be in GAL at the end of this season.
I will probably sit still in Trieste. If you move away I will do so in the
fall.
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Dear Mario,
> Thoughts on how we should proceed and try to extricate
> ourselves from this mess?
I am somewhat distracted by some non-dip things but will try
go put something together tonight.
> Naturally I'm going to have to ask you to remove Pie (to
> Mar maybe or Tyl?) and your fleets westwards.
Naturally.
Tamas
Message from Italy to France
Okay - I await your press
Message from Italy to Austria
> I can, but my move to ALB only does one thing. Threatens Turkey. And
> Turkey is my friend right now, I have no reason to threaten them,
> especially on a spring turn.
>
> Budapest will likely be in GAL at the end of this season.
>
> I will probably sit still in Trieste. If you move away I will do so in the
> fall.
Okay I can understand that. Do you think that Turkey will continue
focusing northwards against Russia?
Message from Austria to Italy
> >
> > I will probably sit still in Trieste. If you move away I will do so in the
> > fall.
>
> Okay I can understand that. Do you think that Turkey will continue
> focusing northwards against Russia?
>
My suspicion is yes.....god the Russian is pissed.
I have told him that leaving you alone would do him a world of good.
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Mario,
> Okay - I await your press
I do not have options, or I should say my options are
countless. If I look at the board, I cannot see a direction
where it is worth going at this point, but even this is a
rather optimistic view because I should really concentrate
on defense after antagonizing the wrong neighbors.
Your aggressive anti-French disbands actually give me some
hope because I expect you to surprise Turkey with your
defense rather than going on the kamikaze just for the fun
of it. Naturally I no longer have the resources to pursue
any anti-Italian campaign and you are free to do that.
I surely will not go to Tyr in the spring because I cannot
afford to lose Mar/Par to a concentrated GIE...whatever
attack without drawing someone's blood.
Frankly, I expect a supported attack on Bur in the spring.
If there is anything I can match that offer with (which
probably does not yield an SC within two years though), then
I will do what I can. I surely will be more than happy to
support Ruh-Mun if you are interested. I would love to
sound serious (which I am) but I will not blame you if you
reject it.
Tamas
Message from England to Italy
>Well, if I'm fighting France, then I can't really afford to annoy Germany,
>don't you think? Still, such a scenario might make sense if I join you
>and France against Germany. Though it might make more sense to accept
>France's support into Munich, should he give it
If you haven't already asked for his support into Munich, you might want to give him a press. I think it would be received favorably.
dave
Message to all
I'd like to invite everyone to send press to themselves to explain what
they are thinking, and why they made the moves and adjustments that
they made last Fall. I'm sure that the commentators would appreciate
the insight, and I know that I look forward to seeing the explanations
once the game is over.
Message from Germany to Italy
England may not be entirely against anti-French cooperation. I think his major
concern at this point is getting a center or two. As eager as Russia is to help
out against EF, we might be better off encouraging E to go after R while we go
after F. Understand?
Your moves sound good initially, but if there's an ER fight spoiling, I might
be better off not getting on England's bad side. Let me see what England comes
back with before I make any order decisions.
Have you more or less settled with Turkey and Austria?
Kaiser Erik
Message to all
Dear Myself,
I did what I had to do because I had to do it.
Self
Message from Turkey to Italy
how's it going?
I am going to shift up aeg-con-eas. do you want to keep ION clear?
where do you see your next center coming from? what about France?
Message from Italy to France
Tamas,
> Frankly, I expect a supported attack on Bur in the spring.
> If there is anything I can match that offer with (which
> probably does not yield an SC within two years though), then
> I will do what I can. I surely will be more than happy to
> support Ruh-Mun if you are interested. I would love to
> sound serious (which I am) but I will not blame you if you
> reject it.
Well, Bur S Ruh-Mun is certainly an option. As you point out, so is Mun S
Ruh-Bur. Germany has offered it and I've thought about it. England has
offered support to Holland. So, what do I do? I'm leery of going to
Holland since it's so far away and so hard to control (as I found with
Belgium last year). Munich is only 2 spaces away (but then again, so is
Marseilles...). The problem with taking your support to Munich right now
is that he'll be able to retreat to Tyl, unless I move Ven-Tyl, and that
has its own problems.
So, the question is, are you willing to retreat Pie to Mar, move your
fleets Wes-Mao and Mao-wherever north of Spain (Bre, Eng, Nao, Iri), keep
your army in Bur, and support me to Munich in the fall, should I hold in
Ruhr?
Mario
Message from Italy to Italy
Well, let's give a bit of thinking behind the Italian position. When
faced with 2 disbands, I felt like I had to do something. I think I have
peace with Turkey and Austria but who knows. Turkey seems pretty set
against Russia and that's a good thing for me. But I can't afford to let
Turkey get too big or all those fleets are going to be coming my way
sooner or later. But, neither can I afford to honk off Turkey when I have
4 SC. So I'm hoping that he'll keep goign after Turkey, and that Austria
will realize that attacking me is no good.
So do I attack Germany or France? I think right now I'm leaning towards
France, but either way I felt I had to keep A Ruh. If I had kept F Ion
instead, then I"d have been locked into a static game, with little to no
chance of ever getting a 5th center.
Message from Italy to Germany
> England may not be entirely against anti-French cooperation. I think his major
> concern at this point is getting a center or two. As eager as Russia is to help
> out against EF, we might be better off encouraging E to go after R while we go
> after F. Understand?
Understood and agreed.
> Your moves sound good initially, but if there's an ER fight spoiling, I might
> be better off not getting on England's bad side. Let me see what England comes
> back with before I make any order decisions.
Well, it doesn't matter to me what you order, as long as you can spare A
Mun S A Ruh-Bur. Is that still a go?
> Have you more or less settled with Turkey and Austria?
I hope so. They both seem peaceful, but I'm really not sure. I coudl
easily see Turkey support himself to the Ionian and/or Austria move to
Tyl, Tri and Adr.
Mario
Message from Italy to Turkey
> how's it going?
>
> I am going to shift up aeg-con-eas. do you want to keep ION clear?
> where do you see your next center coming from? what about France?
That sounds good, and yes I would like to keep the Ionian clear. I would
really appreciate it if you kept just one fleet bordering Ion (or zero
would be even better), but right now I'm just hoping that we have some
good will here and that you will see that attacking me now just lets
Austria and Russia off the hook and so that it's not in your best
interest.
I think you should order Ank S Smy-Arm, Bul S Aeg-Con and Eas-Smy (but
that last one is just for me <g>). The first 2 are key to the attack on
Russia, along with the obvious Sev-Mos
Luigi
Message from Turkey to Italy
>
>
>> how's it going?
>>
>> I am going to shift up aeg-con-eas. do you want to keep ION clear?
>> where do you see your next center coming from? what about France?
>
>That sounds good, and yes I would like to keep the Ionian clear.
sounds good. I won't tell you exactly what I am doing except that the
Ionian will be clear, I'm continuing in my attack on Russia and you
shouldn't be displeased with my moves. (I'm not attacking Austria
though)
Message from Italy to Turkey
> sounds good. I won't tell you exactly what I am doing except that the
> Ionian will be clear, I'm continuing in my attack on Russia and you
> shouldn't be displeased with my moves. (I'm not attacking Austria
> though)
Sounds good. I don't care if you attack Austria or not (unless he's
attacking me, which I don't know about but I suppose it is possible).
Keeping Ion clear sounds good to me
Message from Germany to Italy
Hmm. After further reflection, I can't support Ruhr - Burgundy at this time. I
could tell you that I can and then not do it, but then I'd be no better than
the French. The unfortunate fact is that while England is still a wild card, I
need to not antagonize the French. If France moves against me next turn, then
my concern was obviously misplaced, but if he doesn't, then I think I'm in a
position to win England over *and* get the French to expose themselves a little
close to our combined front.
Ruhr isn't going anywhere this turn, and if you can make peace with Austria /
Turkey, who I suspect will begin a feeding frenzy on Russia shortly, you'll
have adequate defenses in the south against a single French fleet and army.
For my part, I am going to be performing a joint action with the English to
test his willingness to work with me. Due to the chances of failure, I'd rather
not elaborate on it right now. If it pays off, I can be more aggressive against
the French next turn and A Ruhr will come into play. Just do what you can to
keep F Wes at bay this turn, and I assure that relief will come through in the
north shortly.
Of course, my plans could change if it doesn't look like the English are going
to play ball. You can go ahead and order A Ruhr - Bur; it's certainly not going
to hurt. If it looks like there really is no way to get between E and F, I'll
support the move. Otherwise, we'll wait until next time.
Kaiser Erik
Message from Germany to Italy
You know, your army in Ruhr, as useful as it might be to me down the road, is
really not a necessity right now. Maybe we'd be better off attacking it and
disbanding it so you can rebuild in Italy. It ain't holding a supply center, so
why keep it around?
France would be more than happy to get rid of it, as he considers it a direct
threat. If I replace it with A Kiel, though, we've still got the same strength
on that border, and you've got another army down south. What do you say?
Kaiser Erik
Message from Italy to Germany
> You know, your army in Ruhr, as useful as it might be to me down the road, is
> really not a necessity right now. Maybe we'd be better off attacking it and
> disbanding it so you can rebuild in Italy. It ain't holding a supply center, so
> why keep it around?
Well, I kept it around because it at least gives me a say in what is going
on in the west. If we thought I should get rid of it, I really wish you'd
have said so before adjustments - when I could have kept F Ion and just
removed that army.
I really wish you'd support Ruh-Bur. I can't really see how this would
hurt your relationship with England, unless he is solidly in the corner
with France. And if he is, then we need to attack both of them, right?
I should probably tell you that England offered to support me to Holland
to destroy your army there. I told him "I'd think about it"
Mario
Message from France to Italy
Mario,
Both England and Austria just told me that they pressed me
within the past day and the fact is I never received
anything. If you happened to reply to my last message,
please resend it to me.
This cannot be true: even the Judge is against me.
Tamas
Message from Italy to France
Resending---------------------
Tamas,
> Frankly, I expect a supported attack on Bur in the spring.
> If there is anything I can match that offer with (which
> probably does not yield an SC within two years though), then
> I will do what I can. I surely will be more than happy to
> support Ruh-Mun if you are interested. I would love to
> sound serious (which I am) but I will not blame you if you
> reject it.
Well, Bur S Ruh-Mun is certainly an option. As you point out, so is Mun S
Ruh-Bur. Germany has offered it and I've thought about it. England has
offered support to Holland. So, what do I do? I'm leery of going to
Holland since it's so far away and so hard to control (as I found with
Belgium last year). Munich is only 2 spaces away (but then again, so is
Marseilles...). The problem with taking your support to Munich right now
is that he'll be able to retreat to Tyl, unless I move Ven-Tyl, and that
has its own problems.
So, the question is, are you willing to retreat Pie to Mar, move your
fleets Wes-Mao and Mao-wherever north of Spain (Bre, Eng, Nao, Iri), keep
your army in Bur, and support me to Munich in the fall, should I hold in
Ruhr?
Mario
Message from England to Italy
Hi, there. Both G and F have asked me (not knowing about the other) to contact you and try to find out what you're thinking with A Ruh...they're both convinced that you're conspiring with the other.
So, I guess two questions: (1) what ARE you doing with A Ruh? Why not just disband it so you can have another f to guard against F? and (2) what do you want me to tell F and G? I have no problem at all with the answers to (1) and (2) being different, if you know what I mean...
Yours,
Dave
Message from Italy to England
> Hi, there. Both G and F have asked me (not knowing about the other) to contact you and try to find out what you're thinking with A Ruh...they're both convinced that you're conspiring with the other.
If I had wanted to remove that army I'd have removed it in the winter
adjustments that we just had. I think I"ll just keep it now. An extra
fleet will probably only make Turkey more nervous and more likely to
attack me.
>
> So, I guess two questions: (1) what ARE you doing with A Ruh? Why not just disband it so you can have another f to guard against F? and (2) what do you want me to tell F and G? I have no problem at all with the answers to (1) and (2) being different, if you know what I mean...
1) Germany wont' support me to Burgundy, and I don't want to go to Munich
in spring and have to deal with wherever he retreats to (like Tyrolia).
So I'll probably just hold.
2) Feel free to tell them as of right now my plan is to hold.
Which begs the question, what are YOU up to. I think you and I should
work together to take out BOTH France and Germany - the only question is
who goes first. Germany talked about working with you this turn - care to
elaborate?
Message from France to Italy
Mario,
> Resending---------------------
Thanks a lot. This is harder than I thought.
> So, the question is, are you willing to retreat Pie to
> Mar, move your fleets Wes-Mao and Mao-wherever north of
> Spain (Bre, Eng, Nao, Iri),
I cannot do this much. I understand (from every single
player as well as from your adjustments) that you put all
your cards against me, completely ignoring Turkey. And as I
said various times, I would not blame you at all. I do
blame myself but I would do it much more so if I now let
your suicidical revenge crash me (surely on the long run it
would be E's and G's but nevertheless).
Given that ION is abandoned, I am not withdrawing both of my
fleets but I can promise that I am not moving either of them
forward (neither spring, nor fall).
> keep your army in Bur, and support me to Munich in the
> fall, should I hold in Ruhr?
Yes, I can promise this. And I can also give you a piece of
helpful information for the spring if you say that you will
defend ION instead of running headway into me.
I have miscalculated this game and I would hate if I had to
blame myself for an additional thing: the emerging Turkish
solo threat. I know that my offer is not everything you
asked for but we both know that there is no more room for
French lies in this game. And since it is still pretty
open, I will not risk it.
what say you?
Tamas
Message from England to Italy
Mario,
Germany has asked for a tight-lip policy re: our agreement. I'll break the agreement a little and tell you it's not anti-Italian.
As for your long term plans, I like the idea. You're the only country in western Europe that hasn't given me a headache at one time or another. I think it's too early to start laying specifics, though...I need to find another center or two before I go after a neighbor.
Yours,
Dave
Message from Italy to France
> I cannot do this much. I understand (from every single
> player as well as from your adjustments) that you put all
> your cards against me, completely ignoring Turkey. And as I
> said various times, I would not blame you at all. I do
> blame myself but I would do it much more so if I now let
> your suicidical revenge crash me (surely on the long run it
> would be E's and G's but nevertheless).
Well, I have no desire to be suicidal nor lose to a Turkish solo. Had I
kept either of those fleets, then Turkey would feel threatened. And he
might be more inclined to try and attack me. Given, he might attack me
anyways, but at least this way I'm not really a threat to attack him, and
he knows that, and as such, he may just stick with a Russian attack.
> Given that ION is abandoned, I am not withdrawing both of my
> fleets but I can promise that I am not moving either of them
> forward (neither spring, nor fall).
I don't know why ION being abandoned has anything to do with it. Will you
be removing at least one of your fleets? I could perhaps handle a fleet
in Mao OR Spa, but not both. And Wes is right out. Also, what about A
Pie?
> Yes, I can promise this. And I can also give you a piece of
> helpful information for the spring if you say that you will
> defend ION instead of running headway into me.
If Turkey wants to support himself to Ion I can't stop him. As for
running headway into you, I don't think Germany will support me to
burgundy anyways, so that kind of limits how much I could do against you
even if I wanted to.
So what do you have for me?
> asked for but we both know that there is no more room for
> French lies in this game. And since it is still pretty
> open, I will not risk it.
Well, I thought there was no more room for lies by either of us *before*
this past turn...
Message from Germany to Italy
Okay, I'm willing to support you into Burgundy. To be perfectly honest, I was
really actually hoping to stay out of the F/I conflict so that I could breathe
for a turn or two and sort out the situation between England, Russia and I.
Frankly, though, my trust level in France continues to decline, and I don't
think I have an option at this point except to take him out. If England joins
in against me, so be it. I think with Russia, Austria, and Turkey, we stand a
reasonable chance agains them.
I'd still really like England on our side. Maybe that can still happen. In any
case, while you were probably just preparing to issue a A Ruhr H, I will
support you with A Mun S A Ruhr - Kiel. If that leaves me holding the bag and
looking like a sneak, so be it. If I were you, though, I'd take advantage of
the support and the surprise while it's available.
For kicks, you should go ahead and accept his offer of support for Ruhr -
Munich. Let's see which of us he supports.
Kaiser Erik
Message from France to Italy
Mario,
> I don't know why ION being abandoned has anything to do
> with it.
Well, your two fleets surely have a target and if it is not
ION then I do not like it. That's all.
> Will you be removing at least one of your fleets? I could
> perhaps handle a fleet in Mao OR Spa, but not both. And
> Wes is right out. Also, what about A Pie?
You know too well that I cannot do it. I thoroughly
explained to you how I messed up every single piece of my
strategy the past season. Now my life hinges on England
believing that I have a target other than himself until he
sails away against Russia (If he will at all, but if not I
am doomed anyway). I can talk away holding with my fleets
for a season but if I withdraw them right away, then that's
it.
BTW you _will_ need my army in Pie in the fall.
> If Turkey wants to support himself to Ion I can't stop
> him. As for running headway into you, I don't think
> Germany will support me to burgundy anyways, so that kind
> of limits how much I could do against you even if I wanted
> to.
Of course I know that you cannot kill me alone even if you
are supported into Burgundy. And I can see how it limits
you but if it happens out of spite then I do not see myself
ordering other than holds and supports for the rest of the
game.
> Well, I thought there was no more room for lies by either
> of us *before* this past turn...
Sigh, you are right. And it is painful because it shows to
me that I am on the losing way. When I win, I usually do it
with no more than three lies in a game (concerning orders of
course). I am not doing good, not at all, this opposition
is too challenging for me.
Tamas
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Fleet Trieste HOLD
Austria: Army Vienna → Tyrolia
England: Fleet Belgium HOLD
England: Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet Liverpool → Clyde
England: Army London HOLD
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT English Fleet Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean
France: Fleet Picardy SUPPORT English Fleet Belgium
France: Army Piedmont HOLD
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean HOLD
Germany: Fleet Denmark HOLD
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT English Fleet Belgium
Germany: Army Kiel → Ruhr (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Italian Army Ruhr → Burgundy (*void*)
Germany: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT English Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
Italy: Army Ruhr HOLD
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Black Sea → Armenia (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Silesia
Russia: Army Galicia → Ukraine
Russia: Fleet Norway → Norwegian Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Norway (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople
Turkey: Fleet Ankara SUPPORT Army Smyrna → Armenia
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Aegean Sea
Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Sevastopol → Moscow
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Armenia
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