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France: Builds 3 units
Message from Italy to Austria and Turkey
Okay - I had a chance to look at the board and think we can make the
change as early as this year. Take a look at the following move set, and
see what you think about it.
Spring:
Tys-Lyo
Nap-Tys
Tun-Ion
Ion-Aeg
Rom-Tus
Tus-Pie
Pie-Tyl
Tyl-Boh
Boh-Sil
The purpose of these moves are to shuffle Turkey's and my fleets to allow
me to take Naples this fall. The purpose of the army moves are to get us
into better position to take Munich/Berlin as well as leave only one A/T
unit bordering Naples (the one that's going to take Tunis)
Then, fall moves are dependent on what France does in spring. If he
anticipates a switch and attacks, the worst case scenario would be that he
would have fleets in Spain and Wes/Naf (Por-Spa and Mao-Wes/Naf). So then
the orders would be:
F Aeg-Ion
F Ion-Nap (those moves are both guaranteed)
F Tys-Tun
F Lyo-Tys
3 possibilities:
1. France bounces in Tunis. Note that he can only have 1 unit bordering
Tunis, so he can't take it - only bounce it. Also note that he can not
both bounce Tunis AND dislodge Lyo, since he only has the 2 fleets. In
this case, we will have F Lyo and F Tys. At a worst case, we would order
Ion S Tus-Tys-Tun forever, with Nap S Tys, and it would be guaranteed to
never cede Tunis to France.
2. France bounces in Tys, allowing Tys-Tun to succeed. Same thing there -
next spring he can not stop Nap S Lyo-Tys, since at most he will have a
unit in Wes, and we will have 2.
3. France bounces neither of those moves. In that case, we have the same
stalemate we hve now, but with Turkey's fleet in Tunis and mine in Naples.
So no matter how France attacks, we are guaranteed the ability to at the
worst case be able to pull back to the exact same stalemate line that we
have now.
But of course, the most likely thing is that France will hold pat or
continue to pull back. So in that case we would order
Lyo S Tys-Wes
Ion-Nap
Aeg-Ion
(Turkey removes either F Bla, A Rum or A Tus/Pie - if you want to remove A
Tus, we could just order Ven S Rom-Tus in spring to dislodge it).
Again here we have the ability to retreat to our stalemate should France
attack, with Ion S Wes-Tun, Nap S Lyo-Tys, both of which are guaranteed
because France would only potentially have units in Spa, Mar and Naf.
Then the plan would be to move my fleet from Naples back to Tunis to allow
me to build another fleet in Naples, while Turkey's leets move past into
Naf and Tys. Depending on what France does and what the overall board
looks like, it may be a good idea for Turkey to keep F Aeg in place in the
Aegean. That would give him some security, as well as allow him to build
armies and have them convoyed into places like Spa or Mar or even Bre/Gas
once we take Mao.
I think this is the best plan to further our attack on France - I don't
see any holes in it, but if either of you do, let me know.
Mario
Message from Turkey to Austria and Italy
Italy, i didn't have time to read your plan (I'm sure it is good though).
Let's let France order his builds/waives and then decide exactly what to do.
In the meantime, I think austria should push to get some of the
French 17..that also seems like a good plan to me. Austria..did you
hear anything? See what France wants..surely he wants us to do
something, or he would have ordered draw. Maybe you can get some SCs
from him in these negotiations.
>Okay - I had a chance to look at the board and think we can make the
>change as early as this year. Take a look at the following move set, and
>see what you think about it.
>
>Spring:
>
>Tys-Lyo
>Nap-Tys
>Tun-Ion
>Ion-Aeg
>
>Rom-Tus
>Tus-Pie
>Pie-Tyl
>Tyl-Boh
>Boh-Sil
>
>The purpose of these moves are to shuffle Turkey's and my fleets to allow
>me to take Naples this fall. The purpose of the army moves are to get us
>into better position to take Munich/Berlin as well as leave only one A/T
>unit bordering Naples (the one that's going to take Tunis)
>
>Then, fall moves are dependent on what France does in spring. If he
>anticipates a switch and attacks, the worst case scenario would be that he
>would have fleets in Spain and Wes/Naf (Por-Spa and Mao-Wes/Naf). So then
>the orders would be:
>
>F Aeg-Ion
>F Ion-Nap (those moves are both guaranteed)
>F Tys-Tun
>F Lyo-Tys
>
>3 possibilities:
>1. France bounces in Tunis. Note that he can only have 1 unit bordering
>Tunis, so he can't take it - only bounce it. Also note that he can not
>both bounce Tunis AND dislodge Lyo, since he only has the 2 fleets. In
>this case, we will have F Lyo and F Tys. At a worst case, we would order
>Ion S Tus-Tys-Tun forever, with Nap S Tys, and it would be guaranteed to
>never cede Tunis to France.
>2. France bounces in Tys, allowing Tys-Tun to succeed. Same thing there -
>next spring he can not stop Nap S Lyo-Tys, since at most he will have a
>unit in Wes, and we will have 2.
>3. France bounces neither of those moves. In that case, we have the same
>stalemate we hve now, but with Turkey's fleet in Tunis and mine in Naples.
>
>So no matter how France attacks, we are guaranteed the ability to at the
>worst case be able to pull back to the exact same stalemate line that we
>have now.
>
>But of course, the most likely thing is that France will hold pat or
>continue to pull back. So in that case we would order
>
>Lyo S Tys-Wes
>Ion-Nap
>Aeg-Ion
>(Turkey removes either F Bla, A Rum or A Tus/Pie - if you want to remove A
>Tus, we could just order Ven S Rom-Tus in spring to dislodge it).
>
>Again here we have the ability to retreat to our stalemate should France
>attack, with Ion S Wes-Tun, Nap S Lyo-Tys, both of which are guaranteed
>because France would only potentially have units in Spa, Mar and Naf.
>
>Then the plan would be to move my fleet from Naples back to Tunis to allow
>me to build another fleet in Naples, while Turkey's leets move past into
>Naf and Tys. Depending on what France does and what the overall board
>looks like, it may be a good idea for Turkey to keep F Aeg in place in the
>Aegean. That would give him some security, as well as allow him to build
>armies and have them convoyed into places like Spa or Mar or even Bre/Gas
>once we take Mao.
>
>I think this is the best plan to further our attack on France - I don't
>see any holes in it, but if either of you do, let me know.
>
>Mario
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
> The purpose of these moves are to shuffle Turkey's and my fleets to allow
> me to take Naples this fall. The purpose of the army moves are to get us
> into better position to take Munich/Berlin as well as leave only one A/T
> unit bordering Naples (the one that's going to take Tunis)
France has already said that he will fight me tooth and nail for any
center I try to take.
Im not moving off this line and if you pop my army in Rome, it would be a
bad thing.
Message from Italy to Austria and Turkey
> France has already said that he will fight me tooth and nail for any
> center I try to take.
>
> Im not moving off this line and if you pop my army in Rome, it would be a
> bad thing.
Nobody said anything about popping your army in Rome. I did mention using
your army in Rom to possibly pop the army in Tuscany, but I only mentioned
it as a possibility.
Basically, the way I see things is that France is going to piss and moan
about a 3-way draw. So either you concede to France and eliminate me (and
can continue to hold off France's inevitable movements back to try to take
Tunis after you take it from me), or we wait till someone convinces the GM
to set the draw clock and then wait 3 more years after that. Or, we
demonstrate to France that you aren't going to eliminate me, by giving me
a couple of centers.
At least, that's the way I see it
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
>
> Nobody said anything about popping your army in Rome. I did mention using
> your army in Rom to possibly pop the army in Tuscany, but I only mentioned
> it as a possibility.
Actually, popping rome inst a bad idea, just make sure you can replace it
and hold the bloody line.
Message from Italy to Austria and Turkey
> Actually, popping rome inst a bad idea, just make sure you can replace it
> and hold the bloody line.
The army in Rome is not on the line that we currently hold.
Our front line is
Tus S Pie
Nap S Tys
Ion S Tun
A Rom is only to give you security against the 2 turkish units bordering
Rome (A Tus and F Tys).
Message from Turkey to Austria and Italy
>
>
>> The purpose of these moves are to shuffle Turkey's and my fleets to allow
>> me to take Naples this fall. The purpose of the army moves are to get us
>> into better position to take Munich/Berlin as well as leave only one A/T
>> unit bordering Naples (the one that's going to take Tunis)
>
>France has already said that he will fight me tooth and nail for any
>center I try to take.
ok, how about I tell France that I'll take Tunis, if he gives you
Berlin and Munich first.
You take those two centers, I move west.
Italy gets italy back, and we don't exactly lie to France.
one thing though, we need to get the whole thing figured out first,
because France will certainly use anything possible to drive a wedge
in between us.
Message from Austria to Italy and Turkey
This is the way it needs to go down in the spring, so that we can see what
the French are doing.
TUN - TYS
ION - TUN
TYS - WES
NAP - ION
Assuming the French dont move forward in the spring
TYS - ROM
ROM - NAP
ION - TYS
WES s TUN - NAF
TUN - NAF
Turkey disbands the fleet in BLA
The following spring:
TYS - LYO
WES s TYS - LYO
NAF s WES
ROM - NAP
NAP - APU
Fall....
LYO, NAF and WES support each other
NaP holds
Apu holds,
I remove APU,
The following spring
NAP - TYS
supports whatever needs it, and builds another fleet in Winter.
France: WAIVE
France: WAIVE
France: WAIVE
Centers
Austria: 7
France: 17
Italy: 1
Turkey: 9
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