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Message from France to Turkey
Dear Sultan,
I am somewhat puzzled by your last message. I understand
what you are saying and I indeed anticipated that in my
previous email to you. But I am probably too hard headed to
understand what our situation is now. Would you be so kind
as to let me know:
1. whether you are still interested in the 2WD and if not
then why and then how would you describe the goal for you
in this game,
2. whether you are interested in cooperating with me or
not.
On a side note, I'd like to ask you stopping this
"whishy-washy" argument. Both of us have played this game
before and we both know that when Turkey has 22 unit orders
in the game next to ION then blaming France for not taking
it is at least quite funny. Especially in light of the
centers in question are of Turkish intereste. (I must admit
at the same time that your approach is one which I have
never seen played before as I have always thought that ION
_is_ the main target of a Turkey who has any ambitions.) In
any case, I suggest that we quit this near-insane argument
which fools noone and serves no useful purpose. Thanks.
Ok, then what are we left with? We cannot fight each other,
so to me it looks somewhat a waste not to cooperate at some
level. I am sure that if you told me what you want, I would
be quite flexible to accomodate your needs. We certainly
can do some great things together instead of letting AI
doing damage against either of us. And I am trying hard to
understand why you are not pushing this when almost all the
gain (balkans, ION) would go to you.
Andy, I do not really know what went wrong between us. For
anything you think I screwed up I apologize, clearly the two
of us do not have an identical view of the game. But we
appeared to have an excellent start: building our
relationship from the beginning to capitalize on in the
midgame later, and we are at this very point and we should
not miss this train.
What do you think ?
Tamas
Message from Turkey to France
>1. whether you are still interested in the 2WD and if not
> then why and then how would you describe the goal for you
> in this game,
yes, i am still interested in a 2WD, although as you said before this
will be a hard fought 2WD, which is what we are both doing.
>
>2. whether you are interested in cooperating with me or
> not.
depends on what that means. I am all ears.
>Ok, then what are we left with? We cannot fight each other,
>so to me it looks somewhat a waste not to cooperate at some
>level. I am sure that if you told me what you want, I would
>be quite flexible to accomodate your needs. We certainly
>can do some great things together instead of letting AI
>doing damage against either of us. And I am trying hard to
>understand why you are not pushing this when almost all the
>gain (balkans, ION) would go to you.
I am not sure exactly what you have in mind?
Like you, I am trying to increase the size of my holdings and my
position. Of course it is going a little slower than you because I
have 3 really good players surrounding me.
turkey
Message from France to Russia
Nicky,
How is it going? I hope to get some reply from you to my
last message before the turn. In case you are busy, here
are a few concrete questions:
* Are you still working with Germany?
* If yes, is there anything we can solve diplomatically
rather than drawing each other's blood?
* If no, how could I help you?
* Would you object me trying for London in the near future
(not necessarily this year though)
* Can you promise not to support G to Hol this turn?
* Are you planning to stay on NTH?
* Are you interested in Edi-NTH-Den so that you can safely
take Edi in the fall as well as me defending any of your
Scandinavian gains against the Kaiser's madness?
I could ask more but they are just different ways of saying
"what's up?"
Tamas
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> yes, i am still interested in a 2WD, although as you said
> before this will be a hard fought 2WD, which is what we
> are both doing.
Yeah, nobody had assumed it would be easy.
> >2. whether you are interested in cooperating with me or
> >not.
>
> depends on what that means. I am all ears.
It means the following. I am all for the 2WD and it is most
clear that 2WD means France-Turkey. There are no other
options on the board. This is not true for the larger
draws, which are still possible in various flavors and
although I would really love to end the game with you rather
than many others around, as long as I am in, I should really
not care much who the rest of the players are. If you say,
let's go for the 2WD then let's clean up the sea between
us. But if you say 3WD then I let you guys fight on the
east and will end the game whoever is the best (and I still
wish it would be you but strategically it is not justifiable
for me to get involved in that).
> >Ok, then what are we left with? We cannot fight each other,
> >so to me it looks somewhat a waste not to cooperate at some
> >level. I am sure that if you told me what you want, I would
> >be quite flexible to accomodate your needs. We certainly
> >can do some great things together instead of letting AI
> >doing damage against either of us. And I am trying hard to
> >understand why you are not pushing this when almost all the
> >gain (balkans, ION) would go to you.
>
> I am not sure exactly what you have in mind?
Well, I was asking what _you_ have in mind. If I were to
decide, I want Italy lose Tunis at least this year. Also
your control of Adr will mean the curtains for Austria. I
suggest moving EAS to ION with three supports (one might be
cut) and if needed I cut the support of one of the Italian
fleets. I also might get to Naf in which case Tun is more
or less guaranteed.
> Like you, I am trying to increase the size of my
> holdings and my position. Of course it is going a little
> slower than you because I have 3 really good players
> surrounding me.
I would rather say that I have been more lucky _recently_
than you. Remember, when we started this you were growing
exponentially when I was still inside France with all my
units. And the last year showed that 5 players are against
France together while you faced little opposition. And
maybe the battle on the Balkans is not that easy, it will
certainly pay off in terms of SC's.
In any case, I would be really surprised if I did not take
off a piece at the end of this year. GR against me
certainly can rid me of Holland and Edi, and if Germany
frees up his home centers at the same time, he will build
two new units. Rest assured, it will be just as tough for
me.
Tamas
Message from France to Austria
Hi Andy,
Are you working with Germany these days? What is he telling
you? I have tried to talk Russia into penalizing the Turk,
hopefully it will happen. How is your discussion with him?
You had told me that you are not interested in Munich, but
thought that if you happen to change your mind, just let me
know in time.
Best,
tamas
Message from Turkey to France
>
>> >Ok, then what are we left with? We cannot fight each other,
>> >so to me it looks somewhat a waste not to cooperate at some
>> >level. I am sure that if you told me what you want, I would
>> >be quite flexible to accomodate your needs. We certainly
>> >can do some great things together instead of letting AI
>> >doing damage against either of us. And I am trying hard to
>> >understand why you are not pushing this when almost all the
>> >gain (balkans, ION) would go to you.
>>
>> I am not sure exactly what you have in mind?
>
>Well, I was asking what _you_ have in mind. If I were to
>decide, I want Italy lose Tunis at least this year.
OK, I assume for me to get it. if that is so, then i am all for it!!!
> Also
>your control of Adr will mean the curtains for Austria.
That is true. First and foremost, I need to get rid of Austria.
> I
>suggest moving EAS to ION with three supports (one might be
>cut) and if needed I cut the support of one of the Italian
>fleets. I also might get to Naf in which case Tun is more
>or less guaranteed.
So, since we have been around this before, let's get this EXACTLY clear.
Will you attack Tunis THIS TURN to cut support, so that I can gain the Ionian?
Message from Austria to France
Hi Tamas,
> Are you working with Germany these days? What is he telling
> you? I have tried to talk Russia into penalizing the Turk,
> hopefully it will happen. How is your discussion with him?
I havent heard from anyone in a few days....and the last the the German
said to me was *let me look at the map and I will get back to you*, that
was on Sunday, right after moves processed.
> You had told me that you are not interested in Munich, but
> thought that if you happen to change your mind, just let me
> know in time.
Im still not intrested in Munich this year, I have to make some other
things work first.
thanks
Andy
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> OK, I assume for me to get it. if that is so, then i am
> all for it!!!
Yes, that's the idea. Also, I would like an army to be
convoyed, so please make sure to have one around. If after
the spring it does not look possible then the fleet will go
though.
> > Also your control of Adr will mean the curtains for
> >Austria.
>
> That is true. First and foremost, I need to get rid of
> Austria.
But Land+Sea is way more effective. Imagine his defense
collapsing when you convoy to Venice!
> > I suggest moving EAS to ION with three supports (one
> >might be cut) and if needed I cut the support of one of
> >the Italian fleets. I also might get to Naf in which
> >case Tun is more or less guaranteed.
>
> So, since we have been around this before, let's get this
> EXACTLY clear.
>
> Will you attack Tunis THIS TURN to cut support, so that I
> can gain the Ionian?
Either Tunis or Tys. Yes, the agreement seems to be set
then: four fleets of yours against ION and F WES cuts one
support. This cannot go wrong. Deal?
Tamas
Message from France to Germany
Erik,
Can I safely assume that I will not get any more message
from you this turn? (Or this game for that matter?)
Best,
Tamas
Message from Turkey to France
France,
>
> >
>> Will you attack Tunis THIS TURN to cut support, so that I
>> can gain the Ionian?
>
>Either Tunis or Tys. Yes, the agreement seems to be set
>then: four fleets of yours against ION and F WES cuts one
>support. This cannot go wrong. Deal?
I will order;
eas-ion
aeg s eas-ion
gre s eas-ion
alb-adr
wes must either move to tys or tun, then I will get Ionian.
However,..if you try to pull tricks on this one, I will not exchange
anything but broadcast with you for the rest of the game.
deal?
Message from France to Turkey
Dear Sultan,
> I will order;
> eas-ion
> aeg s eas-ion
> gre s eas-ion
> alb-adr
>
> wes must either move to tys or tun, then I will get Ionian.
>
> However,..if you try to pull tricks on this one, I will
> not exchange anything but broadcast with you for the rest
> of the game.
Why????
Never mind... But I almost never lie about actual orders.
If I say that I will cut the support then you can sleep well
without any anxiety.
> deal?
No, the above will fail if Gre is attacked and Ser-Gre is
quite a sensible move. Look, both of us have some level of
decent relationship with Italy, if we decide to move hard,
it has to be guaranteed success (if there is such a thing -
like in this case).
So it has to be either Alb-Adr, AEG & EAS S Gre-ION, or F
Alb has to take part in the show. Notice that guaranteed
taking of ION in the spring gives us more flexibility in the
fall.
Tamas
Message from Germany to France
Tamas:
My apologies. Real life has been hell for the past week. I've had absolutely no
time for this game. I have asked the GM for an extension to get my act
together, as I should have a slightly less hectic schedule tomorrow and over
the weekend. Please forgive my silence.
I will try and squeeze a reply in later today just in case the extension
doesn't happen.
Erik
Message from Turkey to France
>
>No, the above will fail if Gre is attacked and Ser-Gre is
>quite a sensible move.
if you think Ser-gre is a strong possibility, then your proposed
moves would have me losing Greece to Serbia.
> Look, both of us have some level of
>decent relationship with Italy, if we decide to move hard,
>it has to be guaranteed success (if there is such a thing -
>like in this case).
>
>So it has to be either Alb-Adr, AEG & EAS S Gre-ION, or F
>Alb has to take part in the show. Notice that guaranteed
>taking of ION in the spring gives us more flexibility in the
>fall.
OK, no deal then I guess.
the only other thing I would consider is:
alb-ion
eas,aeg,gre all support alb-ion.
you then attack tunis.
that would guarantee Ion but also guarantee that I am not in ADR.
I would favor taking the chance that serbia won't cut Greece support
and also move Alb-adr
Message from France to Germany
Dear Erik,
No problem, I understand too well what it is like when you
do not have time to even open up the map on the screen.
I will say a few things shortly so that you have something
to work with to submit orders before the deadline.
England has left, you can continue hammering me but it does
not lead us very far. It is your responsability to secure
your place in the draw and I doubt that you disagree: your
only choice is replacing Russia and securing the northern
edge for yourself because two edges are already taken and
the south is no good for you.
I do have things to do. The south is open and I have to go
there to make sure that Turkey does not get past the
stalemate line even if he picks up all the Balkans, which he
will do in few seasons. If you go after Russia and
reestablish our peace then I readily forget what happened
the last two seasons. Deal?
I will try to defend Holland in the spring based on the bad
experience recently. But if I see something like Kie-Bal,
Ruh-Kie or similar then I will give Hol back to you in the
fall. If any of your units move in a western direction,
then I cannot do this.
Tamas
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> the only other thing I would consider is: alb-ion
> eas,aeg,gre all support alb-ion. you then attack tunis.
> that would guarantee Ion
This is fine with me. What's the verdict then?
Tamas
Message from Turkey to France
>
>> the only other thing I would consider is: alb-ion
>> eas,aeg,gre all support alb-ion. you then attack tunis.
> > that would guarantee Ion
>
>This is fine with me. What's the verdict then?
I will order:
alb-ion
eas s alb-ion
eag s alb-ion
gre s alb-ion
You order either
wes-tun
or
wes-tys
how does that sound?
deal or no deal?
turkey
Message from France to Turkey
Sultan,
> I will order:
> alb-ion
> eas s alb-ion
> eag s alb-ion
> gre s alb-ion
>
> You order either
> wes-tun
> or
> wes-tys
>
> how does that sound?
>
> deal or no deal?
Done deal.
I will not screw it up. If _you_ screw it up then I will
not write you any more broadcasts !!!! :-)
Tamas
Message from Russia to France
Tamas,
Sorry, my PC has been giving me major grief. I'm hoping it lasts until this
weekend, so I can install a new hard-drive. This will be brief as a result.
> * Are you still working with Germany?
Hopefully he thinks so... ;^)
> * Can you promise not to support G to Hol this turn?
ECh-Nth would probably be a good idea.
> * Would you object me trying for London in the near future
> (not necessarily this year though)
No, not at all.
> * Are you planning to stay on NTH?
I'd like to stay there this Spring...
> * Are you interested in Edi-NTH-Den so that you can safely
> take Edi in the fall as well as me defending any of your
> Scandinavian gains against the Kaiser's madness?
Hmm, that's interesting, but in the long-term it would be
counter-productive, I think.
Nicky.
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Army Venice → Trieste
Austria: Army Venice → Trieste
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Army Edinburgh → Yorkshire
France: Fleet English Channel → Wales
France: Fleet Holland → North Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Africa
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Kiel SUPPORT Russian Fleet North Sea → Holland
Germany: Fleet London → English Channel (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Belgium (*bounce, destroyed*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Apulia
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tuscany HOLD
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet North Sea → Holland
Russia: Fleet Norway → North Sea
Russia: Army Warsaw HOLD
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia
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