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France: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 2 units
Message from Master to all
Well done Christian.
Message from Austria to all
Congratulation to Turkey. The end game was very impressive. Although,
France and Russia should have accepted the Germany signal and work
together to secure a 4-way draw.
As for Austria. I decided not to move my fleet in Spring 1901 and even if
I moved it I would had defended TRI because Italy had 2 armies in TYR and
VEN. In no-press games when there is a full cooperation between Russia and
and Turkey, as was the case in this game, Austria and Italy have a chance
only if they fully cooperate from the beginning. This was not the case in
this game. Later Austria captured VEN and hoped that Germany would advance
toward Russia faster than the advance of RT in Austria. This was not the
case. Austria last hope was that Russia will cooperate with the 2
Austrian armies to stop Turkey but Russia decided to trust Turkey.
Message from Turkey to all
If I look back there were some important points which made the
solo possible:
- The stable RT alliance at the beginning which allowed me to grow.
- Russia's try to eliminate Germany from the draw which weakened his
defense and allowed me to get War and Mos.
- The French build in W1909A and the French moves in S1910M
which allowed me to get Spa and later Mar.
- Last but not least: the two coins that I tossed during the game ;-).
Thanks to Brandon for mastering the game.
Message from Russia to all
I feel the way I played the endgame was perfectly rational and I stand
by it.
Turkey was my only ally for most of the game, but his supporting
himself into Rumania in F1908 was the writing on the wall. I knew then
that I would never get enough armies (let alone centers) to hold Warsaw and
Moscow against a Turkish attack so I decided to concentrate on Scandinavia
hoping that France would hold Spa-& Mar and Germany would hold Mun & Ber.
Even if I were to defend War & Mos, it would be self-defeating because
England and Germany could move in behind me to take StP and then I would be
eliminated. The only way to make sure I was in the draw would be to have
Turkey threaten StP as his 18th center and thus prevent England and Germany
from cutting my support.
When the attack in Scandinavia went well, and Turkey took his time
moving North, it looked as if we could pull a 3-way by eliminating
Germany. All that changed when France failed to build in Marseilles. I'd
like to find out what he was thinking, but after Turkey outguessed him and
held on to Marseilles the game was over.
Message from Germany to all
Greetings,
first of all, thanks to GM.
Then, congratulations to Turkey for the win.
At last Turkey won. Very poor play at the end from both Russia and France.
There was no chance to eliminate Germany from the possible draw holding
the line in the same time.
Again congratulations to Turkey and thanks to the GM.
Message from France to all
First off I would like to thank Brandon Clarke for GM-ing the game. An
encapturing game to say the least. Congratulations to Christian on his SOLO!
Now for the answer to the big question, why did France build in BRE?
Sorry to say and some of you may have been following the thread in the
vtgroup, but I was playing blind apparently. Between the 12 - 17th of
January I was experiencing problems with my private page at floc.net. Dates
and phases on maps were OK but the maps themselfs were not. Press from
several games was also missing.
I noticed this on the 14th when moves processed for a game and no one
received results. Even after
the other players had been able to see the current map in that game I could
not. Alarm bells started ringing. I checked all my games. In hindsight the
build of the fleet was based on the map after the spring moves of 1909 not
the fall moves of 1910.
On that map there was no need to build in MAR as I wanted to get my SPA unit
back to MAR. Turkey was only on 11. It was aslo just bad luck that BRE was
empty else the build would have failed and I would have been alerted to the
problem. You can inmagine the schock I got when my floc.net page was updated
with the final moves that were missing. I thought that I had been on a years
holiday in the twilight zone. From that point on it was a 50/50 chance on
SPA/MAR.
After I awoke from my nightmare (this had happened in several games, in one
I went abandoned) I immediately indicated to Russia that he should go after
Turkey and secure the north at least. I knew that at worst I had lost MAR or
SPA but that I could prevent any further damage.
All in all just a sad set of circumstances. I certainly know how to hold a
stalemate line and when to call off an attack and go for a 4 way. All the
intelligence I had was a year old. Then I was confronted with the real
world. I am still not sure of my other games. I have checked everything I
can think of. It wouldnt surprise me if I get surprised somewhere along the
line. It is not clear if my ISP had a back log as well. We do know for sure
that floc.net had a problem which Alain sorted out. Somewhere in the scope
of connections and buffers I was a year or so behind on many games.
This doesnt take away the fact that Turkey got a well deserved solo.
Until we meet again.
Message from Turkey to all
> France:
> I thought that I had been on a years holiday in the twilight zone.
> From that point on it was a 50/50 chance on SPA/MAR.
That's not true. As I wrote in my EOG you had still the chance to
hold Spa and Mar by ordering A Bur S A Spa-Mar, A Gas S F MAO-Spa
(and F ENG S F Bre-MAO) in the spring 1910. But after the shock of
the build you probably missed this order combination.
> Austria:
> In no-press games when there is a full cooperation between Russia and
> and Turkey, as was the case in this game, Austria and Italy have a chance
> only if they fully cooperate from the beginning. This was not the case in
> this game.
I fully agree. Your cooperation with Italy was pretty good after the first
two years. But it was already too late.
> Russia:
> I knew then that I would never get enough armies (let alone centers)
> to hold Warsaw and Moscow against a Turkish attack.
It would have been enough to hold Mos. For this you only need a fleet
in Pru and armies in Lvn, StP, and Mos. So it would have been possible.
> Russia:
> Even if I were to defend War & Mos, it would be self-defeating because
> England and Germany could move in behind me to take StP and then I
> would be eliminated.
That's true. I would have tried to reduce the draw (e.g. by giving Mar
to France so that there was no risk for FG to eliminate you).
> Germany:
> In the meantime Turkey seems to go after Austria instead of heading
> towards Atlantic Ocean. This would provide him more SCs in the short-medium
> term but less chances to run for a solo.
I agree. But as I wrote in my EOG it wasn't my plan to attack Austria.
I wanted to attack Italy but there was no bounce in the spring in Ven
(as I expected it) and so I had to change my plan.
> Germany:
> F1910R: Both France and Russia work against Germany instead of against
> Turkey, so they both deserve to lose the game. I definitely work
> aside of Turkey. Anyway my game is lost.
Then why didn't you help me to get Mun in 1911?
P.S.: I forgot to thank Brandon for activating the prfboth option
so that I was able to set * as preference list (when the game started
I asked two other GMs in two other games, too, but only Brandon did it).
Message from France to all
>>That's not true. As I wrote in my EOG you had still the chance to
hold Spa and Mar by ordering A Bur S A Spa-Mar, A Gas S F MAO-Spa
(and F ENG S F Bre-MAO) in the spring 1910. But after the shock of
the build you probably missed this order combination.>>
At the time I considerd the support from BUR but I was sure that I had
pissed Germany off enough for him to throw the game and cut support from
BUR. But to tell you the truth I was confused anyway as I couldnt believe
the number of yellow fleets ;-) I think my mind was mush anyway at the time.
Message from Germany to all
Greetings,
Turkey:
Then why didn't you help me to get Mun in 1911?
After Spring moves nobody could prevent your solo.
Before Spring I expected you'd focus on War/Mos instead
of Munich at once, so I planned to get my units away
from the frontline (to avoid dislodgements without retreat)
but with the possibility to cut support from behind
(cutting RUH and KIE) in the case Turkey couldn't assure
WAR and MOS. That's the rationale behind my Spring 1911 moves.
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