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Austria: Army Galicia can retreat to Silesia or Ukraine or Vienna
Turkey: Army Smyrna can retreat to Ankara or Armenia or Constantinople or Syria
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
What an OPPORTUNITY you wasted with the North Sea wide
open. How often does Germany get an opportunity to just
walk in at this stage of the game?
Ivy is pointed my way and will certainly be even more
focus on the other side of his island during the spring
move. There is still time to get into place!
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 18&19 Results:
Due to technical difficulties with the communication
system, yesterday's stage update had to be delayed. This
report covers two stages.
Stage 18
Lance Armstrong not only protected his lead but extended
during Friday's time trial. Lance is headed to Paris in
style by winning another stage. This extend England's
lead and with the Yellow Jersey all but wrapped up, he is
sure to win the game.
Stage 19
Erik Zabel improved his bid to win a record
sixth-straight green jersey as the best sprinter of the
Tour de France. He won both the stage and the
intermediate sprint and cut O'Grady's lead to just two
points leading into the final stage. The final sprint
into Paris will surely decide the matter. Zabel should
be considered the favorite. This puts Germany in second
place in points and with the Green Jersey points to
follow, he is sure to take a strong second to England.
Is this a sign of things to come in the real game?
Also, the Polka Dot Jersey (King of the Mountain) will go
to Jalabert of CSC. This should place Turkey in third
place in the TdF game.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 40 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 30 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP) 82 hours, 20 minutes, 00 seconds
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 6 minutes, 44 seconds
3. Joseba Beloki (ONC) @ 9:05
Green Jersey:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 212 points
2. Erik Zabel (TEL) 210
Polka Dot Jersey:
1. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) 257 points
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) 211
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar:
I'm aware that there was a great opportunity for me to stab into the
North Sea. But I'm looking beyond that. I'm looking at Austria (and
Italy) It's my feeling that these two won't stab each other until
Turkey or Russia are gone (or down to one)
Therefore we need to counter them. I can't do that effectively if I
change sides often. Last turn England and I pulled a fast one on you in
Burgundy. If I were to stab Ivy this turn, would either of you ever
trust me again? Not likely. The result would be a very slow resolution
of EFG. Not something that we can afford with Austria and Italy growing
so quickly.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
Your life is looking pretty good.
The army in Tyrolia is beginning to worry me. I haven't decided yet,
but I'm considering trying to move it. The plain truth is that we've
both seen this type of thing before. A unit that just sits and sits,
then one day it wakes up and attacks.
I'm even more vulnerable now that France is in BUR.
Truthfully I don't really want to move south. I would just like to see
TYR clear.
I'd like to send one, maybe two armies east. That would work for you
in that if Austria runs over Russia faster than you overrun Turkey he'll
become a dangerous partner. Russia already knows how dangerous. If on
the other hand I slow down Austria's progress, you could build quicker
than Austria. I don't need to tell you that the partner that builds
quicker is usually in the drivers seat. And in this game could become
the eventual winner.
So that's my offer. Retreat the army in TYR, and I'll be free to move
east. Slowing Austria's advance, and giving you the upper hand.
It would probably be best if you didn't tell Austria this. He'll see
it plain enough in my move to BOH.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
I'm beginning to think that we trust each other. I trusted you, so I
decided to pull Holland now, instead of waiting. Also the DEN move
instead of BAL.
You trusted me, as you left the North Sea open.
I think we're in good shape.
I didn't trust Italy. The move to BOH was designed to bounce him out
of there. But he didn't go. That's ok. my moves have probably saved
me a turn. Which is needed as Russia guessed wrong and lost WAR.
But in getting into BOH I've alerted Austria. So be it.
Have you heard from Austria? I haven't heard anything since the
opening bell.
I will be building an army in Berlin as I said.
Looks like we'll have to push BUR back in the spring. Luckily we can.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Russia
Nik:
Using 20/20 hindsight, I'm glad that I didn't give you Sweden. You
wouldn't have gotten a build. So it would have done you no good to have
a fleet sitting in Sweden. You needed an army. And your fleet in SWE
might have created mischief for England, since he wants to move the
fleet that was in Norway to the NAO. (Hopefully)
On the plus side, I decided to just trust what Ivy was telling me, so I
swung KIE to BOH. I'll build an army in BER and send it to Prussia. We
should be able to counter attack WAR in the fall. I also don't have a
problem with supporting you in. Because I don't want to get England
worried. Which is what would happen if I build another before he cracks
France. The bottom line is that if I begin to look too powerful, then
the chance of England and France putting something together goes up
drastically. Therefore, I think it's in my best interest to not build
next year.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you build one? Way to go.
And Austria doesn't get to build. While I'm sitting in BOH. Maybe we
have something to talk about.
And I figured that you are the last person I'd be in serious
negotiations with.
Maybe now Austria will talk to me. I haven't heard from him since the
opening.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
I didn't see that Austria doesn't get a build this time. I was
expecting him to retreat GAL to UKR and build in VIE. From there he
could move against MOS then go north or south.
All that is changed. I now think that he has to retreat to VIE. to
protect himself from myself in BOH and Russia in GAL.
Plus Turkey gets to build one. There doesn't seem to be the AI
juggernaut that I imagined.
I'd still like to see you retreat from TYR though. And I still do not
have plans to move in after you.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
After looking more closely at the board, I've noticed that Austria
doesn't get a build, but Turkey does. Therefore the AI juggernaut that
I was so concerned about doesn't appear to be as threatening as I once
thought. I still think AI will take out Turkey and Russia, eventually.
How will that effect us? It means to me that I'd better take a
conservative approach. I actually do NOT want to build next year.
Because I know that you won't. And if I get too far ahead of you in
SC's then the chance goes up that you'll turn from France and attack me.
It's my opinion that the best chance for victory for both of us is if
we continue on a course of eliminating France. If we pause from that
task, then we might not get another chance.
Russia has to disband one unit. The obvious choice is the fleet in
BOT. Although he might not do that as it'll leave STP wide open for
me. I've already sent him a note stating the above case. Basically
that although I'd love to grab a few more centers, it is better for me
to wait. What I didn't tell him is that once you break into the MAO,
I'll be going for STP. He won't like that. On the other hand he is
safe there for a year. A lot can happen in a year.
In the spirit of teamwork, if Russia does disband his northern fleet,
I'll move away from Norway. Which will make Russia nervous. But I can't
do everything.
I still think that Italy will build a fleet and either sit on it or
move it west. He can see that France will fall. I'm betting that he'll
offer his services to us soon. Just to get a piece of the pie. And to
be in position to block an English invasion of the Med.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I understand your goal for resolving EFG quickly. That
was always my goal as well. I just disagree that EG can
finsh France more quickly than FG could finish E. This
is especially true if you cost England a unit and were in
the North Sea.
I think that you either were not paying attention to my
messages or did not believe them. But I really did not
take your move to Burgundy as a stab. An attack yes, but
a betrayal no. We had no relationship to betray.
England on the other hand lied to me and set me up big
time. He is the one I would not trust. There was no
chance that I would then side with him against you.
Oh well, that is water under the bridge now. I am
resigned to my fate. It probably would have been
frustrating trying tp work with you long term anyway.
Good luck,
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
PB:
> I think that you either were not paying attention to my
> messages or did not believe them. But I really did not
> take your move to Burgundy as a stab. An attack yes, but
> a betrayal no. We had no relationship to betray.
> England on the other hand lied to me and set me up big
> time. He is the one I would not trust. There was no
> chance that I would then side with him against you.
>
> Oh well, that is water under the bridge now. I am
> resigned to my fate. It probably would have been
> frustrating trying tp work with you long term anyway.
That's a bit of a contradiction. In on paragraph you still to work with
me, in the other maybe not so much.
Be that as it may, I still will be very surprised if we don't work
together at some point, somehow.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Are you detecting a note of desperation in the Boars press? Or more
like 'why won't you work with me, I really have your interests at
heart.'
Message from Germany to Master
1902 Germany EOY
Big things happening this year. Alliances seem to be solidifying. It
looks all the world like AI vs RT in the east. In fact, after the
spring move it looked like AI would overrun RT rather quickly. This
observation caused me to jump totally on board with England. The
thinking being that unless we eliminate France quickly, AI will be at my
borders well before I'm ready.
The fall move shows that AI is not as tough as they first looked.
Hats off to Turkey for losing a home center and still getting a build.
Also kudos for getting me to move to BOH. He had dropped a hint that
the Italian army in TYR was moving there. I suspect now that he was
blowing smoke. On the other hand Italy had stated in the past that he
was going to use that army to move against Russia. So it was a
completely believable ruse.
The spring move is where EG was born. I gave serious consideration to
moving into HEL. Thinking that England could be going there. Luckily he
didn't. I did support Holland instead of moving KIE to RUH, just in
case. BER - BAL was obvious. Before the move I didn't really trust
England, so I offered SWE to Russia in case I needed his help against
England. I also told Russia that I could very well attack him in SWE in
the fall if England did as he said he would. Russia was pissed at
Austria, so he convoyed his army away from me instead. A piece of luck
for me. Also a lesson in the disadvantage of stabbing early in a game.
(but I guess someone has to do it)
The fall move went very well. No bounces. The move to BOH was supposed
to bounce Italy back to TYR. I didn't want him to get that army up in
the WAR area. I knew that I'd have to fight him there. As northern
Russia is the area that I want to expand into. KIE - MUN was to cover
MUN in case TYR went there. Also it was a way to move forward to the
front lines. I can now push Italy out of TYR, if diplomacy fails to
move it. I definitely don't want an Italian army in TYR. I'll have to
take it into consideration every turn.
The bold move was taking England at his word and moving off of Holland
and Denmark. In both cases I really left myself open. But I believed
that England was going to vacate the North Sea. It's amazing how two
people can just decide to trust the other. We have a great DMZ between
us now.
For the immediate future, I'm going to make sure that I don't build
again next fall. That would put me two up on England. That makes for
an unstable alliance. I want him to continue his attack on France. I
also want Russia on my side against Austria. Therefore I've told both E
and R that I won't attack STP in 1903. Hopefully this will convince
Russia to disband his fleet in GOB.
Another consideration for moving conservatively in 1903 is that I could
be attracting attention. Being the low seed that Germany is, I'm sure
that I've benefited from being underestimated. But if you look at the
board right now. England and France are tied up. Russia and Austria the
same. Turkey and Italy, ditto. I'm actually in the best position of
anyone on the board. even more so because I could have a shot at STP and
WAR next year, while pushing into BUR. I'm sure that everyone else sees
this, and they'll be wondering if they shouldn't do something about it.
Time to ratchet up the press.
I still intend to overrun northern Russia in 1904. While England is
tearing into France.
I haven't given thought to the endgame yet. Certainly England will be
a problem once France is gone. Perhaps a two way will work. I'd
personally love that. A two way in the Championship game should send a
message. I am so tired of the players of this game treating it as an
exercise in stabbing first and often. Perhaps a two way with Italy.
Austria did not write to me in 1902. Perhaps he will now that I have
an army at his door.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
I guess that I'll make up for missing a few days of press.
This note isn't about specifics, so there's no need to reply
immediately.
Two thoughts.
At this moment in time I look to be sitting pretty. No real enemies to
speak of, plus STP looks like it's mine if I try, and maybe even WAR.
Certainly I'll be fighting France, but it'll be on French soil not
German. Also that pesky Italian army in TYR could divert my attention
from the east. In a normal game, I'd have a big smile on my face.
In this game I feel like someone painted a big target on my back. In
one move I could be fighting France, Russia, Austria and Italy. Excuse
me while I duck and cover for awhile.
2nd, I've been thinking about the endgame. Certainly a win would be
totally fulfilling. But is there more than one way to be a winner? In a
three way what if two countries had the same number of units? Certainly
that has to be the case in a two way.
I've noticed that four out of the seven of us participated in a two way
in the first round. That's amazing actually. But it means that we're
not foreign to the concept. I wouldn't be surprise to see this game end
in a two way.
What would be better actually? I'd love to send a message like that.
I'm so tired of the players in this game using it as an exercise in
finding the perfect stab. And if they don't find it, going with any stab
that fits.
Fredd
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
> Using 20/20 hindsight, I'm glad that I didn't give you Sweden. You
> wouldn't have gotten a build.
Had you agreed to Bot-Swe, Ali and I would have risked Bla S
Sev-Rum, and I would have built A Sev, but that's the way things go.
> your fleet in SWE might have created mischief for England, since
> he wants to move the fleet that was in Norway to the NAO.
The same thing can be said for your Fleet in Swe, of course.
> On the plus side, I decided to just trust what Ivy was telling me, so I
> swung KIE to BOH. I'll build an army in BER and send it to Prussia.
Ber-Sil would make more sense, I think.
> I think it's in my best interest to not build next year.
You're probably right about that. I'd be interested to hear what sort
of
reaction Mun-Boh produces.
Nick.
Message from England to Germany
Wonderful Freddy,
Nice moves. I do like the Kiel-Munich-Bohemia maneuver.
My own modem was down all yesterday evening and my ISP had a planned outage
from midnight until 2pm today. That plus the problems with USIN on top of
your own unavailability for a couple of days made for a truly crazy
communications fiasco.
It is a tribute to our mutual good will that we put together a good set of
moves.
Now let me look a your four messages (count 'em, 4!!) and respond.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
> Are you detecting a note of desperation in the Boars press? Or more
>like 'why won't you work with me, I really have your interests at
>heart.'
In my case it is progressing from desperation to resignation. He is
beginning to accept my loyalty to the EG alliance. I respect his attempt;
that's the way to play the game. He sent hoards of messages trying to get
me to change my mind.
My only goal now in my correspondence with him is to repair any personal
animosity that may have arisen.
*******************
> After looking more closely at the board, I've noticed that Austria
>doesn't get a build, but Turkey does. Therefore the AI juggernaut that
>I was so concerned about doesn't appear to be as threatening as I once
>thought. I still think AI will take out Turkey and Russia, eventually.
Absolutely, and the longer it takes the better it is for us.
> How will that effect us? It means to me that I'd better take a
>conservative approach. I actually do NOT want to build next year.
>Because I know that you won't. And if I get too far ahead of you in
>SC's then the chance goes up that you'll turn from France and attack me.
I think it best that you refrain from taking StP for this year, hoping that
Russia concentrates on Austria. Tell Russia openly and honestly what your
reasoning is. If Russia fails to destroy the northern fleet, then he is an
ingrate.
> It's my opinion that the best chance for victory for both of us is if
>we continue on a course of eliminating France.
At some point, not necessarily now, I hope you will trust me enough to
invite London-> North Sea so that it can support Belgium. As it is, Ruhr
is obligated to take Belgium and we cannot go after Burgundy. A little
later, the Channel will be free to cut Picardy. That's when a triple
attack on Burgundy will succeed. We will have ruhr & munich supporting
Bel-Bur.
> I still think that Italy will build a fleet and either sit on it or
>move it west. He can see that France will fall. I'm betting that he'll
>offer his services to us soon. Just to get a piece of the pie. And to
>be in position to block an English invasion of the Med.
The only thing I don't want Italy to do is to help France defend!
************************
> But in getting into BOH I've alerted Austria. So be it.
> Have you heard from Austria? I haven't heard anything since the
>opening bell.
We talk occasionally, but there has never been anything of substance to
talk about. Let's both of us think about how the Bohemia move should be
handled diplomatically.
> Looks like we'll have to push BUR back in the spring. Luckily we can.
Can we? I don't think so. The Channel can't cut Picardy and defend
Belgium at the same time.
**********************
> I guess that I'll make up for missing a few days of press.
I was stunned to find four messages from you when I finally got
online. Are you sure this is the same old Freddy? Perhaps success is
stimulating! 8-)
>At this moment in time I look to be sitting pretty. No real enemies to
>speak of,
Austria? Be very careful there.
> I've been thinking about the endgame. Certainly a win would be
>totally fulfilling. But is there more than one way to be a winner? In a
>three way what if two countries had the same number of units? Certainly
>that has to be the case in a two way.
If two or more countries are tied in units at the end, then the winner is
the one who had the most centers the previous turn. If still tied, Doug
will look back yet another turn, etc. So if two or three persons agree to
a draw, they will know at that moment which of them is going to be the
tournament winner. Will that make any draw very difficult to achieve?
I would be happy just being part of such a dilemma. The primary goal right
now is not to get eliminated. The second goal is to gain enough strength
to be a factor in the end game. The EG alliance can achieve this goal for
us easily.
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I do not see a contradiction at all. I said first that I
would only have considered working with you. I then said
that I expected it to have been frustrating.
As for our working together some time. I am less
optimistic. I see IA and EG and the rest of us getting
squashed. I suppose if England got too big that you
might have to try to make peace with me. But you would
first have to make peace with Austria. Then what about
Italy taking advantage of my back and possibly Russia
yours. Sure there might be a time that we have to
cooperate a bit. But I do not see it being very
significant. I just do not see this game being the stab
happy shifting alliances that you forsee. But what do I
know, I have been very wrong so far.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 20 and Final Results:
Lance Armstrong rode into Paris, wearing the Yellow
Jersey on the final stage. This is his third Tour de
France victory in as many years. Jan Svorada of team
Lampre won today's stage. The Green Jersey goes to Erik
Zabel of Telekom and the Polka Dot Jersey to Laurent
Jalabert of CSC World something or other. At least each
Jersey was won by a team representing one of our great
powers in Europe. Of the 20 stages and the Prologue, 13
were won by our teams.
England wins the game the Grand Prize of having Ivy
Wingo's sister get a date with the Dauphin. Knowing that
the relations between England and France are a bit shaky
right now, we will allow Ivy to escort his sister
throughout the evening. Do not worry, you will be
perfectly safe in France. Our word is as good as yours.
Second Place goes to Germany. He wins the prize of
having the Dauphin call his sister and wish her well.
Turkey, in third place gets an autographed picture of the
Dauphin with Lance Armstrong. The autograph is the
Dauphin's not Lance's.
I truly thank everyone fror playing and putting up with
my game. I especially appreciate those who made
references to it during Titleist. Personally, I am
looking forward to the break from reporting on it. :-)
Final Tally:
England (USPS): 90 points
Germany (Telekom): 50 points
Turkey (CSC): 40 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
> Tour de France Stage 20 and Final Results:
> Final Tally:
> England (USPS): 90 points
> Germany (Telekom): 50 points
> Turkey (CSC): 40 points
> Russia (Robobank): 20 points
110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any non-union
team. Go Union!
V.I. Lenin.
European Economic Union Steward for Russia.
Message [from Austria] to all
> Final Tally:
> England (USPS): 90 points
> Germany (Telekom): 50 points
> Turkey (CSC): 40 points
> Russia (Robobank): 20 points
110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any non-union
team. Go Union!
And Russia is the least of the Union. C'est dommage.
Message from Russia to all
> > Final Tally:
> > England (USPS): 90 points
> > Russia (Robobank): 20 points
>
> > 110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any
> > non-union team. Go Union!
>
> And Russia is the least of the Union. C'est dommage.
Russia merely leads the EEU from behind.
V. I. Lenin,
Hindmost (with thanks to Larry Niven)
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick:
> > On the plus side, I decided to just trust what Ivy was telling me, so I
> > swung KIE to BOH. I'll build an army in BER and send it to Prussia.
>
> Ber-Sil would make more sense, I think.
Good point. I'm not sure yet. I was thinking of BOH to SIL, but more
than likely we'll use that for something else. Like a supported attack
on VIE. I guess we need to see where Austria retreats to.
>
> > I think it's in my best interest to not build next year.
>
> You're probably right about that. I'd be interested to hear
> what sort of > reaction Mun-Boh produces.
Nothing from A yet.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
> > Ber-Sil would make more sense, I think.
>
> Good point. I'm not sure yet. I was thinking of BOH to SIL, but more
> than likely we'll use that for something else. Like a supported attack
> on VIE. I guess we need to see where Austria retreats to.
Oh, GA Boh places much more pressure on Austria than GA Pru and
GA Sil.
> > I'd be interested to hear what sort of reaction Mun-Boh produces.
> Nothing from A yet.
My reaction is, 'Thank you!', BTW. 8-) Anything from anyone else?
Nick.
Message from Germany to England
Ivy
I'd say that desperation to resignation to accusation is how I'd sum up
the Boar.
Well Russia should dump the northern fleet, and I had already done what
you suggested. Maybe he will maybe not. It doesn't really matter. If it
stays I'll push it out.
Perhaps in the future I can invite you into the North Sea. Perhaps
soon, I guess it depends on Russia disbanding his fleet. WIth that
gone, I can move back to DEN while you're in the North Sea. I wouldn't
want to leave DEN and HOL open while you're in the NTH. Just as I'm
sure you wouldn't like to see me there while EDI and LON are open.
If at all possible we should just stay out. We were lucky in
disengaging this time. It's the most difficult thing in this game. A
simultaneous move away. If we go back in, we'll have to do it all over
again.
Belgium and Burgundy:
Thinking out loud.
You'll have to support ENG with LON, and support NWG-NAO with IRI. Any
support from ENG will be cut. So you're right RUH has to support BEL.
BEL can then support MUN - BUR. But that will never go. That all ok,
I feel. Your first gain will probably be Brest, anyway.
> **********************
>
> I was stunned to find four messages from you when I finally got
> online. Are you sure this is the same old Freddy? Perhaps success is
> stimulating! 8-)
The Tour de France is over. That frees up 2 hours per day for me. There
were times when I could sit and watch the Tour or do the Dip thing. You
know which one won. I don't regret that at all.
>
> If two or more countries are tied in units at the end, then the winner
> is the one who had the most centers the previous turn. If still tied,
> Doug will look back yet another turn, etc. So if two or three persons
> agree to
> a draw, they will know at that moment which of them is going to be the
> tournament winner. Will that make any draw very difficult to achieve?
Maybe we could change the rules. I don't see why not. If it were a
two way, we could sit and sit and not set draw. Doug might go along.
(Right Doug?)
Fredd
Message from Germany to Russia
>
> My reaction is, 'Thank you!', BTW. 8-) Anything from anyone else?
>
> Nick.
England and I have talked about getting my fleet out of SWE.
Nothing from Italy yet. Or Turkey.
Surprising as my army in BOH affects all of these. I suspect that A
and I are talking out their response. Or it just might be the weekend.
Fredd
Message from Germany to France
> I just do not see this game being the stab
> happy shifting alliances that you forsee. But what do I
> know, I have been very wrong so far.
Let's see, so far:
Austria stabbed Russia
Italy stabbed Turkey
England stabbed France
But you're right, there has only been one shifted alliance so far.
Russia was originally in bed with Austria. The rest weren't quite
stabs.
Personally I hope that you're right.
Fredd
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
> England and I have talked about getting my fleet out of SWE.
Swe-Bal, Bal-Pru, Bot-Lvn (assuming I don't disband Bot), seems
reasonable to avoid having AA War retreat north.
> Nothing from Italy yet. Or Turkey.
I haven't heard from them either, so it's probably a weekend thing.
Austria does seem worried, though.
Nick
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Message from Master to all
I'd like to take a moment to encourage all the players to submit
"End of Year" statements by 'press to m', for use in the "Showcase"
of this game.
Doug
Message from England to Germany
Greddy,
> I'd say that desperation to resignation to accusation is how I'd
> sum up
>the Boar.
He will continue to sing sweet nothings to you until his last breath. Let
this be a test of our resolve.
> Well Russia should dump the northern fleet, and I had already
> done what
>you suggested. Maybe he will maybe not. It doesn't really matter. If it
>stays I'll push it out.
Russia tells me that he is considering destroying the southern fleet
instead. That fleet does him little good as well. Either way you will have
no trouble in the north when you advance in that direction.
> Perhaps in the future I can invite you into the North Sea. Perhaps
>soon, I guess it depends on Russia disbanding his fleet. WIth that
>gone, I can move back to DEN while you're in the North Sea. I wouldn't
>want to leave DEN and HOL open while you're in the NTH. Just as I'm
>sure you wouldn't like to see me there while EDI and LON are open.
> If at all possible we should just stay out. We were lucky in
>disengaging this time. It's the most difficult thing in this game. A
>simultaneous move away. If we go back in, we'll have to do it all over
>again.
I tend to agree. Last night I looked at potential tactics on the
French/German border. We should be able to break through there without a
fleet in the North Sea. The Channel can get involved with either Eng->Bel
or Eng->Pic in conjunction with certain actions by Ruhr and Munich. The
only catch is that this can't be done safely until I occupy the
Mid-Atl. That is my immediate goal and it will be accomplished by this fall.
Anyway, this spring I only ask for Ruhr supp Belgium. Munich doesn't have
to do anything except remain in place, although Bel supp Mun-Bur keeps the
Frenchman honest.
>Maybe we could change the rules. I don't see why not. If it were a
>two way, we could sit and sit and not set draw. Doug might go along.
>(Right Doug?)
I will speak for Doug here. [We really are the same person. Having access
to all the correspondence has been a great boon!]
Rule changes require seven players PLUS the master to agree. If we sit and
sit without setting a draw, then the master can, on his own and within the
rules, declare the draw himself. In which case, we still have a unique
tournament winner based on the criteria set up at the beginning. Under
those criteria the only way for the tournament to end in a tie after a
17-17 draw is for the two drawing players to have been at exactly the same
strength for the full game. Let's see, you have 6 and I have 5, so ... 8-).
In the event a 17-17 draw seems possible, I am willing to flip a coin to
see who will be the official tournament winner. There is plenty of glory
to go around for both.
None of this bothers me in the least. The end is so far off. I agree with
you in that it won't do much good for any player to get far ahead near the
beginning. He will just get beaten down by the others. Players in
titleist are too good to permit a runaway. The right procedure is just to
survive with average health while, one by one, others get
eliminated. First Russia, then France or Turkey, etc.
What should you do with Bohemia this turn? Should we discuss this?
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Greddy,
"Greddy"?
Purely unintentional. I didn't catch it until I saw the confirming message
from USIN.
Sorry,
Jvy Xingo
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> I'd still like to see you retreat from TYR though.
>
Frankly, this is unacceptable. Italy considers Tyrolia to be a key
defensive position for his country as it borders our northern most center as
well as two of our allies. Let me remind you, Italy DOES get a build this
year. If your goal is to try to get me to build an army to defend Tyrolia,
it may just work in which case I'll most likely not try to stop England from
turning the corner in the West Med. There would be a good chance that
England would end up with all of France and be beyond the MAO stalemate line
while you try to trudge thru the mass of armies in the east. Is that what
you really want to have happen? It is my belief that the two of us can
co-exist peacefully while I remain in Tyrolia. I have done you no harm to
date and intend to do you no harm in the future. I find it somewhat
insulting that your paranoia now requires my retreat from Tyrolia.
One last thought, whatever happens in the east, whomever is left will be
twice as close to you as they are to England.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Germany
Freddy,
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you build one? Way to go.
> And Austria doesn't get to build. While I'm sitting in BOH. Maybe we
> have something to talk about.
Heheh thanks. I'm all ears!! I got lucky this time, but unless *somebody*
puts some pressure on Austria or Italy, I won't last long. If you can hit
the Austrian, then I should be able to stay alive, and we can combine our
efforts against both Austria and Russia, to our mutual benefit.
> And I figured that you are the last person I'd be in serious
> negotiations with.
Well, it's not so far-fetched really. If you can expand your influence to
the south, then there's a chance we could meet in the middle before too
long. Are you interested in such a campaign?
> Maybe now Austria will talk to me. I haven't heard from him since the
> opening.
Surprising. I'd have expected that he would be in close contact with you,
especially given his plans to move Italy's army through Tyr/Boh, clearly in
Germany's sphere of influence.
How is your relationship with Italy? Any chance he can be turned?
Regards,
Ali
Message from Master to England and Germany
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>Maybe we could change the rules. I don't see why not. If it were a
>two way, we could sit and sit and not set draw. Doug might go along.
>(Right Doug?)
Wrong.
Doug
(Do you do this just to see if I'm reading along?)
Message from Master to England and Germany
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>In the event a 17-17 draw seems possible, I am willing to flip a coin
>to see who will be the official tournament winner. There is plenty of
>glory to go around for both.
Actually, I stated up front that any players tied for the most SC's
in a draw would be declared co-champions.
Doug
Austria: Army Galicia → Vienna
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Ankara
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