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Message from Germany to France
Boar:
Sorry I couldn't tell you that I was moving out. The reasoning is
obvious though.
You're quite right in pointing out that MAO didn't support NTH into
ENG. More important is that there is an English fleet in the North Sea
on a fall turn. That's not going over well.
Fredd.
Message from Germany to Italy
> Tyrolia will be exiting post-haste (and not to Munich as
> Russia has suggested).
That's good news. Hopefully not to BOH either.
Can I also count on you NOT supporting France to MUN this turn?
I'm assuming that you guys will eliminate Austria this turn.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Italy
> I know why England moved to the North Sea. No explanation necessary.
What did he tell you? He told me that he needed to protect BEL.
Unfortunately, it makes a nice jumping off point to attack DEN or HOL
also.
Fredd
Message from Germany to France
PB:
I'll give you one thing, you're a tough nut to crack.
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Boy that move to the North Sea really has turned out to have hurt us
both quite a bit. There's actually four fleets working on the MAO now.
Plus I have to consider a supported attack on HOL and MUN. Add in that
there's no way that you can take Brest now. Yuck.
Before you ask, I'm not going to give up HOL. I started writing that
I'd do it if and only if you took it from the North Sea. That move in
itself seems reasonable. It's when you go further that problems creep
in. For instance, what would that fleet do after it takes HOL? There's
really only one possibility - it goes back into the North Sea.
- time goes by as I look at the board----
What we could do is have me support BEL to BUR this turn. That'll go as
Paris has to support Brest. That puts you in BUR, and HOL could move to
BEL next turn.
Or I could just leave you with HOL and take Norway. Although I
suspect that I'll have to send the army that's about to take STP, south.
Think these things over. I have to get outta here right now. One
question that I haven't addressed is what would you do with a build?
Your four fleets don't have a lot of room to operate anyway. Where would
another fleet go? Or if you built an army how would it get convoyed?
By a fleet in NTH? There we go again. One of my fleets could become
available. But you've seen what I think of having your fleet in NTH, I
imagine that you feel the same way.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Turkey
Don't you just hate it. Italy puts a major stab on Austria, and instead
of fighting back Austria turns entirely toward you. This is how games
are won, and I hate it. If it were me, I'd attack you one turn, then
turn around and attack Italy the following turn. (But it's not me)
Well at least we should be down to 6 after the next turn. After that
everything is up for grabs. You and Italy will be right up against each
other, and there is some bad blood between you. Russia will be down to
two. Who knows what's going to happen in the west. England's move to
the NTH has returned to bite him in the ass. (I told him that if he
moved there I'd have to cover my ass - that's what I did.) Worse is
that he's still there. With the possibility to support an attack on
HOL. It's really stifling our attack on France.
What a mess. I love it.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
>I'll give you one thing, you're a tough nut to crack.
The Dauphin and I both thank you for your compliment
It is something we could be proud of if we were not
fighting for our lives.
Am I to read into this that you are still planning on
continuing the attack? Is there no way for you and I to
start over? With the east getting itself resolved, would
it not be better to eliminate England from out backs. If
Turkey/Italy start to press you, do you want your
backside exposed to England. Any new unit he builds are
near it. My new units would be at your flank. But they
would be concerned with the Italian units on my doorstep.
England never would have that problem of units on his
doorstep (like you and I would), unless those units were
yours and mine.
>Sorry I couldn't tell you that I was moving out. The
>reasoning is obvious though.
Surely, you did not want me to spill my guts to the
English. I understand. I am not complaining that you
did not tell me. On the contrary, I thank you for the
move no matter if you told me or not.
I did notice your movements near St. Petes. Were those
based on my messages or had you decided that earlier?
>You're quite right in pointing out that MAO didn't
>support NTH into ENG.
I thought that you would have insisted on Bel -> Pic and
Nth -> Bel. The army in Belgium is also a long term
threat to you. I would have thought that England would
have wanted it in France, not hanging out in the fringe.
so his movements surprised me.
>More important is that there is an English fleet in the
>North Sea on a fall turn. That's not going over well.
You can still cover your butt and take St. Petes. You
can always also support me to Belgium! :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
> I did notice your movements near St. Petes. Were those
> based on my messages or had you decided that earlier?
>
I phased in my orders for the spring right after the last fall moves
processed. I never changed them, although I considered it when Austria
disbanded VIE.
So great minds must think alike.
I think we should talk a little more seriously. Although I doubt that I
can agree to support you to Belgium. The simple truth is that I'm not
in position to take on England.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
Thanks for the note.
>I think we should talk a little more seriously.
I am always here to talk, seriously or not. Although I
do wish to seriously talk about the future.
>Although I doubt that I can agree to support you to
>Belgium. The simple truth is that I'm not
>in position to take on England.
Is the unlikeliness for your support to Beglium because
of other tactical needs or because you are not ready to
support me against England? It would help me formulate
our discussions to know which is the issue.
None of us, Germany, England, or France is well
positioned to take on the other. Certainly England has
some position against me. But that is likely to degrade
this year as I may take both MAO and Picardy back. He
has some position against you as well, but you can cover
it. You and I are about neutral against each other.
Taking a center from him would certainly hurt his
positions, hence help us. You will also get a build,
another fleet perhaps?
The longer we wait, the harder it gets. Also the less
time we will have (i.e. Turkey and Italy will clean up
the south).
France is not greedy. We are not seeking to be even with
you in Supply Centers. An even distribution of the
current English holdings would be plenty. We are fully
prepared to establish reasonable demilitarization of any
future borders with you and form a joint effort south and
east. England is too far away and out of position to
eventually help you with Italy. I have access. You know
my arguments about the locations of his new builds and
your exposure. I will beat those points to death.
I think that there are many advantages for us both to
work together. Also we have no serious history of bad
blood between us, that we must overcome.
Please give it some thought. Even if you are not ready
to take the plunge, at least talk hypothetically about
it, so we can flesh out the issues and potential
problems. Who knows what may come of it?
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> That's good news. Hopefully not to BOH either.
>
Nope. Either Piemont or Vienna or, I suppose, Venice. Do you have a
preference?
> Can I also count on you NOT supporting France to MUN this turn?
Asked and rejected already.
> I'm assuming that you guys will eliminate Austria this turn.
>
That's the hope. Neither Turkey or myself want to give the other guy the
extra build but I'm sure we'll work something out.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> > I know why England moved to the North Sea. No explanation
> necessary.
>
> What did he tell you? He told me that he needed to protect BEL.
> Unfortunately, it makes a nice jumping off point to attack DEN or HOL
> also.
>
There was a possibility that Russia would actually get a build last fall and
that he needed to defend Norway in case of a new unit in STP.
He actually said he needed to defend Belgium? That sounds like a real
bonehead thing to say to an ally.
Roberto
Message from Master to all
Extension due to player absence, for one additional day.
Doug
Message from Germany to Italy
> There was a possibility that Russia would actually get a build
> last fall and that he needed to defend Norway in case of a new
> unit in STP.
Actually Ivy used this excuse also. Mainly because I was pointing out
the danger from Russia. I was never really worried about that though,
as my prime objective was to make sure that Russia didn't put an army in
STP. One of my successes.
Piedmont would be an interesting place to go. But I don't know if you'd
support France or attack him.
It's getting close to the time that you have to look seriously at being
in a war with Turkey again. (I think) With Austris gone and Russia
getting very weak, Turkey's avenues of expansion are limited to coming
at me or you. You'll be a lot closer. Although it's possible that he
swing around you and your centers in Austria, it's highly unlikely.
Therefore I think that you and I will be battling to contain Turkey
in the not too distant future. We both know how difficult it is to
return the genie to the bottle once he's out.
Perhaps it's time to also talk about what else we would like to
happen in the West at the same time. Keep this to yourself, but what
about a stab of England, draw France North, followed by a stab of France
from the south? You're the stab king so far, care to go for three?
(You wouldn't actually be stabbing England)
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
>You know my arguments about the locations
>of his new builds and your exposure. I will
>beat those points to death.
I meant to write that I would NOT beat
those points to death.
Sorry, I was not trying to be obnoxious.
Did you have any comments on the rest of
that message?
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
> Did you have any comments on the rest of
> that message?
sorry for not responding. It's been a glorious weekend here. With Ivy
gone, I've been enjoying a little down time.
It's Sunday. I'll have something to say this evening.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
Enjoy your time off. So you did not get such a nice breather when I was
gone? :-)
I did want to take advantage of Ivy's absence to try and sway you to my
side, but I guess it is only fair that I must wait until he is around to
balance my arguments.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
What a fine kettle of fish we have here, Ollie!
> Boy that move to the North Sea really has turned out to have hurt us
>both quite a bit.
But at least you kept your word. That was very important to you.
>Plus I have to consider a supported attack on HOL and MUN. Add in that
>there's no way that you can take Brest now. Yuck.
There is no hesitation in my reaction. I am not going to turn against you.
I will not attack Holland and I will not attack Denmark. Never, never
intended to do anything like that. I am in this to the end. There is no
other course of action that makes sense to me in the long run.
>What we could do is have me support BEL to BUR this turn. That'll go as
>Paris has to support Brest. That puts you in BUR, and HOL could move to
>BEL next turn.
It is a little premature to know what to do. If for some reason you don't
trust me (my reassuring words last time didn't have much effect) then you
will want Ruhr to influence Holland. Or you may want Ruhr to affect
Munich. We need some intelligence. I don't think I will get anything out
of France, but Italy has always been very forthcoming with me. There is a
good chance I will get his actual moves (again), provided I take the right
approach.
> Or I could just leave you with HOL and take Norway. Although I
>suspect that I'll have to send the army that's about to take STP, south.
No matter what yur western plans, you have to be concerned about the vast
armies that Turkey is raising.
Most of the world may assume that you are about to join with France in an
attack on me. Surely you will consider it. Be a little careful. France
and Italy are not tight at all, and France now knows it. Italy refused to
support a French attack in MAO last turn. Italy wants Spain and Marseilles
and a dead France to prepare for his upcoming war against Turkey. It is
not France and Italy who are together, but France and Turkey are chummy.
Give a lot of thought to continuing an FIE assault on France. Talk Italy
into Tyrolia->Piedmont, for example. If Italy cannot be convinced that he
should stay the course (against France), then he will unite with France and
go after Munich while trying to get you and me to squabble.
Italy is key here. He knows he cannot be anti England. He has to choose
between hitting you with French help or hitting France with our help.
I just got home. More tomorrow probably.
Ivy
Message from Germany to England
> Most of the world may assume that you are about to join with
> France in an attack on me. Surely you will consider it.
They'd be wrong. The advantages of joining France over you are?.....
But of course I considered it. Which is why I'm not going to do that. I
don't see any advantage. I do see a couple of disadvantages. The main
one being that I'd have to start building fleets. What good are fleets
going to be against Italy or Turkey? Not much. They're be good against
you, and then against France. They'd leave me weaker on the Russian
Steppes
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Have you come up with a suggested plan of action yet?
What I see is this.
You're going to get ejected from the MAO. (Unless Italy supports you to
Spain) Why would he do that? If he did that, you'd be stronger with
France weaker. Barring a stab I'll build one. (an army BTW) It could be
that Italy would like to see a stronger England to counter me. At
least that's the tack that I'd use to encourage him to help you.
You also could be pushed out of PIC.
BUR-PIC
BRE s BUR-PIC
PAR s BRE
Or France could attack MUN.
I'm willing to trust you a little. I can support BEL-BUR if you want.
That will leave me open to a supported attack on HOL. You've said that
you're not going to attack there, and I'm going to believe you. (I
reserve the right to move KIE-HOL anyway. I also reserve the right NOT
to move KIE-HOL.
Certainly I'll cover MUN. Whether with or without support.
I return I'd like you to get out of the North Sea. Belgium would be a
good place to go. Or the Channel.
Or I'll listen to any other thoughts or ideas that you might have.
Fredd
Message from Germany to France
PB:
I'm going to do a lot of thinking out loud here, so please bear
with me.
Naturally I'm considering switching alliances (if you'll have me ;-)
Before doing that though I want to weight the pros and cons.
If I switched this turn we could:
force England from MAO.
take Belgium. (Only because he wouldn't know it's coming and won't be
supporting it)
Those are both advantages for you. The advantage for me would be...
Well I wouldn't expect you to hand BEL over to me anytime soon....
I could be in NWY in the spring. Thereby giving myself another build...
But I'd have to build another fleet, fairly soon.
I'd also be diverted from pursuing a ground war in Russia.
It's not Russia that I'm worried about. It's Turkey and Italy.
If I switch alliances would they be more or less inclined to fight
amoungst themselves?
There's a topic of discussion. Realistically, strategically having you
or Ivy as a partner doesn't matter much. I currently have no designs on
your centers. I suppose that I'm want one of IVY's. And I'd want to be
unthreatened in the North Sea.
The $64,000 question is what would Italy and Turkey do if I switched
sides?
Fredd
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
I have a question for you. I'm a little too close to the action.
I think that I can't see the forest through the trees.
If you were me, who would you ally with, France or England? I'm
only thinking in a strategic sense. Discount personalities.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
I have a question for you. I'm a little too close to the action.
I think that I can't see the forest through the trees.
If you were me, who would you ally with, France or England? I'm
only thinking in a strategic sense. Discount personalities.
Fredd
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
I thought that you should be aware of this. I just sent a message to
Italy and Turkey individually. I asked each of them if I should ally
with you or France. Strickly based on strategy. I'd be interested in
knowing how fast one of them spills the beans to you that "I'm looking
at switching alliances."
The reality is that I intend to stick with you. I, for one, see no
strategic advantage in stabbing you. However, I'd really like to see
Italy and Turkey fighting. (and I suspect that would benefit you also)
If they think that the EG juggernaut rolls on, then they could stay
together. If they think that we're breaking up, maybe we'll see some
sparks fly.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Master
Germany 1903 EOY statement
There wasn't a lot happening this year for me.
I really didn't want to build (this year)
If I did then I would have been the big guy on the block. I'd rather
keep a low profile for awhile longer.
In the spring Italy was still in Tyrolia, so I was concerned about that
and supported Munich. I also had to support England in BEL from French
attack. I also began a slow march on STP. It's possible I guess that I
could make bolder moves, but then I might get it.
In the fall, I managed to move into BUR. This is good and bad. I
actually have no intention of proceeding further into France. My mission
is to help England in. Our original deal is that he gets all of
France. I still have no problem with that.
What I did have a problem with is his move to the North Sea. I have two
open centers bordering NTH. HOL and DEN. I now have to cover those
centers. This means that I won't be able to help England in France. So
he won't be making any gains there.
I have seen moves like England's North Sea move many, many times. A
move like that is always accompanied with a lot of sincere press saying
how his real intention is something else, then on the next move we see
the stab. I will not be leaving my centers unguarded. This will slow
my advance into Russia. I believe that was England's real intention. To
slow me down, but not to stab me. It works, but it'll slow him down
also.
I also gave Austria a support move. He didn't take advantage of
it. That was a waste on my part. On the othe hand I would have just
held in BOH anyway.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
Thanks for the note. I will try to be objective, but I
of course want you to side with me rather than against
me. (In reality I will side with whomever acts first,
you or England. I cannot be choosy. But I do prefer
that it be you.)
So let me be honest about my goal and state that I will
try to argue why Italy and Turkey might be more likely to
fight, if you side with me.
If you and England continue your attack on me, Italy will
eventually feel secure enough to join in the attack. He
will send over a couple of more fleets and take some of
my centers for himself. This means that he can delay his
battle with Turkey for a while. Hence, they will
continue to cooperate. Also, everyone is already aware
of and concerned about the EG alliance. If you continue
it that will force IT to stick together solidly. If EG
cracks, then IT will be looking more locally and thinking
about dominating their side of the board.
Turkey will therefore be more wary of Italy if he has not
obvious outlet for his forces (France). This will cause
friction between them. He will therefore be more
focussed in the south and not likely to rush armies North
into Russia and the heartland, making you nervous.
Bottom line: Italy will probably build a fleet. If
there is a France under duress, it will head that way,
allowing Turkey to build another army. But if France is
alive enough to make an Italy invasion fruitless, but
that France is embattled with an invasion of England,
Turkey must worry that the Italian fleet will join the
other two and head his way. He will have to build a
fleet. He knows the history of what Roberto has done to
him and Austria. I will certain argue with Turkey to
build that fleet.
As for Belgium and England. Yes, I do want Belgium this
turn. But I expect that it will eventually be yours in
exchange for the British Isles. This is 100% negotiable
and I am open to any reasonable distribution that makes
sense at the time. But it makes more sense now for our
centers to be as separate as possible. I do not want to
have to worry about defending Belgium and you do not want
one of my armies sitting there, to defend it.
As long as we can put a reasonable and minimal defense in
the North together, we will each feel secure. You will
want to prevent my entry into the North Sea, I will want
to defend the Island. This could be accomplish with
something like:
German F Hol hold
German F Den -> Nth
French F Edi -> Nth
French A Lon hold
Your second fleet holding in Holland is there as a future
defense to my trying to sneak a second fleet in place to
grab the North Sea. If you grab the North Sea, I will at
least have the army in place to help with defense. That
seems pretty stable.
If England was your ally, you would always be worried
about that second or third fleet suddenly appearing in
London and/or Edinburgh (during an adjustment) and your
having no time to react to it.
Sorry for the long note. But I had a lot to cover :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
One last thing. You told me something in the beginning
of the game that I have remembered. You said that you
would lie through your teeth just before the big stab,
but would not lie otherwise. I thought that a pretty
good plan.
Is not there a similar statement that one should not
betray an ally unless it is a real stab. For example I
did not support myself to Burgundy in spring 01 and you
told me that you were going for Bur in Fall 01 (to
bounce me). Also, I did not move to the MAO in the fall
of 02. I would have been better off in MAO if England
betrayed me, which he did. But since I was hoping to
ally with England, I did not want even a little betrayal,
that I hoped I could talk my way out of, to be on my
record. It breaks the necessary trust for the little
things (the big stab is always there).
I view Ivy's move to the North Sea as one of those litle
betrayals. Yes he did not take a center, but he acted
without regard to the trust between you. Will he
continue to make those little breaches of trust, that are
not stabs, but continually improve his position relative
to your own?
-- Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
Extension to Wednesday evening, due to judge outage.
Doug
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
>Have you come up with a suggested plan of action yet?
No. I have not heard yet from Italy. Has he written to you?
I don't even know when you will receive this message. It is 9:00 am now,
but I think USIN is once again down. Very frustrating.
> What I see is this.
>You're going to get ejected from the MAO. (Unless Italy supports you to
>Spain) Why would he do that? If he did that, you'd be stronger with
>France weaker.
That's what Italy wanted before the last moves. He wanted France weaker so
he could grab Marseilles and Spain. He may reconsider now that the EG
attack on France has been weakened.
>Or France could attack MUN.
Or Italy could. Or both.
>I'm willing to trust you a little.
A little. 8-)
I think that what you did last turn set us back much further than my move
to the North Sea. But I just shrug my shoulders, smile, and
continue. That's the way that I am. EG still makes the most sense to me,
and I have always profited in the past by sticking to a game plan. We all
have our styles, and we all have been successful with our styles.
> I can support BEL-BUR if you want.
Until I hear from Italy, I am not sure what to do. Bel supp Pic may be the
preferred alternative.
>I return I'd like you to get out of the North Sea. Belgium would be a
>good place to go. Or the Channel.
Belgium would probably bounce, unless Bel->Bur has succeeded. But that
probably means that France will have gotten into Picardy, so Picardy would
retreat to Channel.
Anyway, I do understand the reason behind your request. I will try, once
again, to move Nth south.
Are you aware that Turkey is supposed to give Sevastopol to Russia this
fall? Russia is not dead. Expect Russia to move War->Mos and Ukr->Sev.
This is actually good news for you. It suggests that Turkey will go after
Italy and leave Russia to harass you. Being harassed by Russia is far
better than having TI coming after you in force. I agree that you need
another army. Your southeast by far your most vulnerable spot. There is
some obvious self-serving in this, but I do think it is best that you take
StP with a fleet. Your army will remain one step closer to where it is
going to be sorely needed.
More later. I can communicate up to the last minute today, if only USIN
cooperates. It seems to be down again. If it stays down again for most
of the day, I may have to ask Doug for another one-day extension.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
One more thing. Did you ever get the following message? I received an
e-mail saying that it was undeliverable -- obviously due to USIN problems.
Ivy
***************
Fredd,
>But of course I considered it. Which is why I'm not going to do that. I
>don't see any advantage. I do see a couple of disadvantages. The main
>one being that I'd have to start building fleets. What good are fleets
>going to be against Italy or Turkey? Not much. They're be good against
>you, and then against France. They'd leave me weaker on the Russian
>Steppes
I hadn't even thought of that, but then I have been totally out of it for
several days now.
I wrote Italy. He is still the key. That one army. There is a world of
difference between Tyrolia->Munich and Tyrolia->Piedmont.
Once I here from him I will try to put together some moves and we can
communicate in more detail.
Ivy
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I may not be around much tonight, but will check
messages. I should be around this afternoon if you want
to carry on a dialogue, and can arrange to find time
tonight if you find it useful.
If you do not get time for much discussion, please at
least let me know whether you will support Bur to Bel.
If you choose not to, I have other options for A Burgundy
(like just supporting it to hold from Paris).
Thanks.
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Germany
> If you were me, who would you ally with, France or England? I'm
> only thinking in a strategic sense. Discount personalities.
>
Very tough question. From a purely tactical sense, probably England. Ivy
can pull back from France and defend against a German attack if he wants -
France doesn't have the luxury of being able to defend against an EG attack.
Allying with France, you could find yourself fighting multiple fronts.
Were Russia eliminated and IT in war, the answer would probably be
different.
Hope
Message [from Russia] to all
"Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3... " (*THONK*) (The sound of a microphone being
tapped.) "I know you're out there, I can hear you breathing..."
Message from Germany to England
No I never got that one.
............................
> One more thing. Did you ever get the following message? I received
> an e-mail saying that it was undeliverable -- obviously due to USIN
> problems.
>
> Ivy
>
> ***************
>
> Fredd,
>
> >But of course I considered it. Which is why I'm not going to do that. I
> >don't see any advantage. I do see a couple of disadvantages. The main
> >one being that I'd have to start building fleets. What good are fleets
> >going to be against Italy or Turkey? Not much. They're be good against
> >you, and then against France. They'd leave me weaker on the Russian
> >Steppes
>
> I hadn't even thought of that, but then I have been totally out of it for
> several days now.
>
> I wrote Italy. He is still the key. That one army. There is a world of
> difference between Tyrolia->Munich and Tyrolia->Piedmont.
>
> Once I here from him I will try to put together some moves and we can
> communicate in more detail.
>
> Ivy
Message from Germany to England
> No. I have not heard yet from Italy. Has he written to you?
One short note. No substance.
> I think that what you did last turn set us back much further than
> my move to the North Sea.
Excuse me while I beat my dead horse. 'But I wouldn't have made my move
if you hadn't gone to the North Sea.' The horse is sufficiently dead
now I should think. Let's move on.
> Are you aware that Turkey is supposed to give Sevastopol to Russia
> this fall? Russia is not dead. Expect Russia to move War->Mos
> and Ukr->Sev.
Interesting. I hadn't heard that. It does make sense though doesn't
it. I and R announced the 'juggernaut' a long time ago. It just hasn't
been strong enough to get any attention. Plus Turkey has told me at
least twice that he's starting a ground campaign against southern
Russia. I wonder if this means that Turkey is the one that is supposed
to get VIE? Hence T, I, and R all build one. An interesting trio.
(turkey behind both - that'll never last)
I've been planning on Russia disbanding that fleet, finally. I guess
this means that it could still hang around. This means that I'd best
take STP with the army. Keeping the fleet to counter Russia's fleet
retreat.
I have no designs on taking Norway before you're ready.
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
Ah, finally the judge appears to be working. Now we can
continue our discussions. I believe that you got at
least one copy of all of my messages, therefore I will
not repeat them. I will wait for you to let me know that
you have time.
The most important topic is whether you might support
Burgundy to Belgium. But I am available to negotiate
anything that concerns you.
Ivy is a little frustrated, don't you think?
-- Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
Extending the deadline one more day, now that USIN seems to be back
with us for good.
Doug
Message from England to Germany
> > Are you aware that Turkey is supposed to give Sevastopol to Russia
> > this fall? Russia is not dead. Expect Russia to move War->Mos
> > and Ukr->Sev.
>
>Interesting. I hadn't heard that. It does make sense though doesn't
>it. I and R announced the 'juggernaut' a long time ago. It just hasn't
>been strong enough to get any attention. Plus Turkey has told me at
>least twice that he's starting a ground campaign against southern
>Russia. I wonder if this means that Turkey is the one that is supposed
>to get VIE? Hence T, I, and R all build one. An interesting trio.
>(turkey behind both - that'll never last)
No, it will never last. Turkey will choose between attacking Russia or
Italy. I think that what he does in Sevastopol will tell us which.
Still no word from Italy. What is this guy up to? I can't think of any
good reason why he doesn't want to communicate with me.
It has gotten to the point where I must make plans without his input. So,
here goes (but stay tuned later in the day).
First, do not support Belgium to Burgundy. My gut feeling is that, in the
final analysis, you will want Ruhr to defend Holland or Munich. I am
leaning toward NAO s MAO; MAO s Nth->Eng; Pic s Nth-Eng; Bel s Pic.
To be honest I also have to at least consider Nth s Bel. I know this could
really mess us up. I don't think you would help France gain ascendancy in
the Atlantic. In attacking France my fleets are drawn to the south. But
if France attacks me (with your help) his fleets are drawn to the
north. In the aftermath there is a big difference in the position of
Atlantic fleets.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to Germany
Fredd,
> I have a question for you. I'm a little too close to the action.
> I think that I can't see the forest through the trees.
> If you were me, who would you ally with, France or England? I'm
> only thinking in a strategic sense. Discount personalities.
Man, that's a really difficult question to answer, especially since I usually
consider personality before geography.
Empirically, when I play Germany I have generally had greater success by
allying with France, since FG have more clearly defined borders along the
Maginot line. The problem then becomes dividing up England, and Germany won't
want to let France have Beglium. If France doesn't have Belgium, he'll want
London. Either way, alliance with France against England will mean you'll
need to build up some fleet strength to counter-balance French fleets.
Alliance with England makes it more difficult to establish defensible borders
(as his fleet in Nth makes clear). However, given the current board position,
turning around to attack England now might be difficult, and might take some
time. It would definitely detract from your ability to hit Russia, and would
mean a bigger focus on fleet builds, which weakens your position in the
center. So I guess if it were me, I'd stick with England for now *if* I felt
he could be trusted. But that's a pretty big "if", which only you can answer.
Sorry I haven't given you a definitive answer, but that's a pretty tough
question! What you ultimately decide is up to you, and I'll still seek
alliance with Germany either way. However, your decision does have a
far-reaching on my own plans, so I hope you'll give me some hint as to your
decision.
Regards,
Ali
Message from France to Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just to let you know that I will be pretty busy today.
The Dauphin has me doing some experiments in the dungeon
on some English prisoners. Therefore I may be slow in
getting back to you. But do not hesitate to write me, I
will write back, just a little delay during the day.
Now, off to my job. I wonder what this long pointed
thing with the three curved blades does?
--Prince Boar
Message from Turkey to Germany
Fredd,
I know we've been having problems with the judge, but I'm desperate for some
word from you. Will you be attacking Russia this turn? If so, are you
attacking Moscow? I ask because I am considering Mos myself; and the last
thing I want to see is you and me bouncing there due to miscommunication.
Of course I ask that you keep this information strictly confidential! And I
pledge to do the same.
Please write at your earliest convenience. Whatever we do, let's not screw
each other up now.
Ali
Message from Germany to Master
Doug:
Can I have an extension until Tuesday nite? Big weekend.
Fredd
Message from Germany to all
The US Labor Day weekend is upon us. I'm afraid that I'll be out of
touch until Tuesday. (you can talk about me now)
Fredd
Message from Master to all
Not sure if any of these emails are getting through . . .
I'm have extreme email difficulty with my usual conduit -- if you've sent
me any email in the last day or so, please send it directly to
dtmasse@us.ibm.com
I'm assuming we can process orders tonight?
Doug
Message from Turkey to all
To whom it may concern:
I have declared a national holiday throughout Turkey. As a result, the
Turkish diplomatic office will be closed as our people celebrate three days of
drunken debauchery, ah, that is to say, prayer and meditation.
Our diplomatic corps will resume their work in three days. Until then, may
Allah smile on you all.
Ali Baba
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea → Smyrna (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Turkish Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*void, dislodged*)
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT Fleet Picardy (*cut*)
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Irish Sea
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Fleet Picardy SUPPORT Army Belgium (*cut, dislodged*)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Paris → Picardy
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Picardy
France: Fleet Portugal SUPPORT Fleet Spain (south coast) → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea → Denmark
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Army Livonia → St Petersburg
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland
Germany: Army Livonia → St Petersburg (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Silesia → Munich
Germany: Army Silesia → Munich
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
Italy: Army Trieste → Serbia
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Trieste
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Turkish Army Serbia → Budapest
Italy: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT French Fleet Spain (south coast) → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Livonia (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Livonia
Turkey: Army Armenia → Smyrna (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Bulgaria (east coast)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Smyrna (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Serbia → Budapest
Turkey: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*cut*)
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