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Austria: Army Galicia can retreat to Silesia or Ukraine or Vienna
Turkey: Army Smyrna can retreat to Ankara or Armenia or Constantinople or Syria
Message from France to England
Wingo:
> I had asked you about Norway->StP, and you
>asked me not to do it. I accepted that, even
>though I worried about your motivation for keeping
>Russia strong.
Prince Boar asked you not to take St. Petes in the
spring. He said that you could reassess in the fall. My
reasons, as I sent through him, were pretty sound. They
involved slowing down the south east and keeping
Germany distracted for the fall season.
I do not recall my brother forcing his opinion on you.
He argued his point and explictly stated that he wanted
to hear your point of view.
If you doubted my motives, why are you following my plan
even while you are at war with me? Does it make you
feel less guilty about betraying France if you can assign
some less than honor motives to ourselves?
Le DAUPHIN
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
What an OPPORTUNITY you wasted with the North Sea wide
open. How often does Germany get an opportunity to just
walk in at this stage of the game?
Ivy is pointed my way and will certainly be even more
focus on the other side of his island during the spring
move. There is still time to get into place!
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Austria and Italy
Potential Allies:
Did you consider my application? I hope that you will
take me in.
While I am waiting, can you explain the hold in Serbia to
me. My brother has the tactical brains in the family and
he is busy right now. I understand that you had a
guessing game around Greece and Serbia. But wouldn't
Ser-Bul be better than a hold in Ser? Maybe there is
something to do with Rumania that I am missing?
That Turkish build will be a set back for the team. I am
just as disappointed. I wanted Germany and England to
see that they could not finish me off before Turkey fell.
Now, if Turkey is getting builds, that hurts my
arguments :-)
It is a shame that you cannot afford to retreat to
Silesia. Germany deserves it. But you kind of need to
defend Vienna.
What about bringing Russia into the fold. Germany and
England suddenly look scary and they have 2-on-1 versus
your 2-on-2. Russia needs friends. If you offer a
position at your firm, he is sure to jump at it. He is
ticked at Germany and friendly with me. FIAR vs EG and
T?
What are the chances of getting that Fleet in the Ionian
to come over and help me defend France?
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
It looks like we are dead meat. The only hope I see is
our joining up with IA to fight EG and you offer up
Turkey as the price of peace. Germany's move to Bohemia
must tick Austria off. They did a nice job of clearing
out so I have little opportunity to suggest a stab to
anyone.
I admit that I was surprised that Ivy did not go for St.
Petes. But I guess that fleet from Norway to Norwegian
Sea accomplishes the same thing and keeps you more
viable. But Germany is position to come take St. Petes
now. He is not so reasonable as Ivy.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Austria and Italy
Ms. Felicia:
I just thought of something. If you are willing to make
peace with Russia, then the retreat to Sileisa may make a
lot of sense. You can get Russia to agree to let you
have Warsaw and you allow him into Budapest. That will
allow you to move to protect Vienna and Budapest will be
protected from Turkey, whom we want to crumble.
At least think about it before you make the retreat. I
image that you have until Monday to consider it. Take
your time.
I guess an alternative is War -> Pru and Gal -> Sil, but
there is no support for these and a new army in Berlin is
sure to bounce at least one of them.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 18&19 Results:
Due to technical difficulties with the communication
system, yesterday's stage update had to be delayed. This
report covers two stages.
Stage 18
Lance Armstrong not only protected his lead but extended
during Friday's time trial. Lance is headed to Paris in
style by winning another stage. This extend England's
lead and with the Yellow Jersey all but wrapped up, he is
sure to win the game.
Stage 19
Erik Zabel improved his bid to win a record
sixth-straight green jersey as the best sprinter of the
Tour de France. He won both the stage and the
intermediate sprint and cut O'Grady's lead to just two
points leading into the final stage. The final sprint
into Paris will surely decide the matter. Zabel should
be considered the favorite. This puts Germany in second
place in points and with the Green Jersey points to
follow, he is sure to take a strong second to England.
Is this a sign of things to come in the real game?
Also, the Polka Dot Jersey (King of the Mountain) will go
to Jalabert of CSC. This should place Turkey in third
place in the TdF game.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 40 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 30 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP) 82 hours, 20 minutes, 00 seconds
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 6 minutes, 44 seconds
3. Joseba Beloki (ONC) @ 9:05
Green Jersey:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 212 points
2. Erik Zabel (TEL) 210
Polka Dot Jersey:
1. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) 257 points
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) 211
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar:
I'm aware that there was a great opportunity for me to stab into the
North Sea. But I'm looking beyond that. I'm looking at Austria (and
Italy) It's my feeling that these two won't stab each other until
Turkey or Russia are gone (or down to one)
Therefore we need to counter them. I can't do that effectively if I
change sides often. Last turn England and I pulled a fast one on you in
Burgundy. If I were to stab Ivy this turn, would either of you ever
trust me again? Not likely. The result would be a very slow resolution
of EFG. Not something that we can afford with Austria and Italy growing
so quickly.
Fredd
Message from France to England
Ivy:
It does look like things are going your way.
>I think you will get some satisfaction from knowing
>that Germany did not send me any note after the last
>set of moves until after 11pm last night.
I am sure that this will cost you on some critical turn
in the future. In fact I just do not know how you could
negotiate such a definative separation of forces in a
half hour. I doubt you were waiting by the computer for
his message.
>I am going to try sticking with Germany and see how
>it goes.
Good, rather bad, ummm. Well just luck I guess.
Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
Congratulations on turning around your fortunes. An
excellent guess on your part, or rather a bad guess on
Austria's part. I think that you saved your life. Of
course that probably will cost me mine. Can you send
some magic or words of wisdom to me?
How about predicting what England might do?
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I understand your goal for resolving EFG quickly. That
was always my goal as well. I just disagree that EG can
finsh France more quickly than FG could finish E. This
is especially true if you cost England a unit and were in
the North Sea.
I think that you either were not paying attention to my
messages or did not believe them. But I really did not
take your move to Burgundy as a stab. An attack yes, but
a betrayal no. We had no relationship to betray.
England on the other hand lied to me and set me up big
time. He is the one I would not trust. There was no
chance that I would then side with him against you.
Oh well, that is water under the bridge now. I am
resigned to my fate. It probably would have been
frustrating trying tp work with you long term anyway.
Good luck,
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
PB:
> I think that you either were not paying attention to my
> messages or did not believe them. But I really did not
> take your move to Burgundy as a stab. An attack yes, but
> a betrayal no. We had no relationship to betray.
> England on the other hand lied to me and set me up big
> time. He is the one I would not trust. There was no
> chance that I would then side with him against you.
>
> Oh well, that is water under the bridge now. I am
> resigned to my fate. It probably would have been
> frustrating trying tp work with you long term anyway.
That's a bit of a contradiction. In on paragraph you still to work with
me, in the other maybe not so much.
Be that as it may, I still will be very surprised if we don't work
together at some point, somehow.
Fredd
Message from Russia to France
> It looks like we are dead meat. The only hope I see is
> our joining up with IA to fight EG and you offer up
> Turkey as the price of peace.
I offered them Turkey in 1901, Austria isn't interested, and Italy
is taking Turkey without my help. It will take England at least a
year to get into position to crack your defenses. We'll see what
happens in that time.
> Germany's move to Bohemia must tick Austria off.
I certainly hope so! I'll be emphasizing Tyl-Tri, Boh-Vie in my
next letter to him. 8-)
> I have little opportunity to suggest a stab to anyone.
Bel-Hol is still England's only hope for a build this year, while
Germany could build three. Does Ivy trust Fredd that much?
> I guess that fleet from Norway to Norwegian Sea accomplishes
> the same thing and keeps you more viable.
That was his position, too. I'm not sure what I did to earn Ivy's
goodwill, but I'm not going to complain about the only good luck
that I've had this century.
> But Germany is position to come take St. Petes now. He is not
> so reasonable as Ivy.
Yeah, but there's nothing I can do about that, and I don't think
GoB-StP would have deflected Germany in the least.
Nick.
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
> If you doubted my motives, ...
I assume that the motive of the player is to have fun. I assume that,
within the game context, almost all opponents are devilishly and
appropriately selfish. I would have been reasonable for you to want a
strong Russia for all sorts of reasons, even if you actually did not want a
strong Russia.
> Does it make you
>feel less guilty about betraying France if you can assign
>some less than honor motives to ourselves?
No one's honor is at stake; it's just a game.
It's just a game, so why DO I feel guilt at times? It's a strange,
fabulous game that simulates certain real world entanglements that I would
never want to be part of.
For the record: I expect to be completely loyal to Germany as long as the
game is on its present course. I'm not sure I can define "present course."
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
I do not see a contradiction at all. I said first that I
would only have considered working with you. I then said
that I expected it to have been frustrating.
As for our working together some time. I am less
optimistic. I see IA and EG and the rest of us getting
squashed. I suppose if England got too big that you
might have to try to make peace with me. But you would
first have to make peace with Austria. Then what about
Italy taking advantage of my back and possibly Russia
yours. Sure there might be a time that we have to
cooperate a bit. But I do not see it being very
significant. I just do not see this game being the stab
happy shifting alliances that you forsee. But what do I
know, I have been very wrong so far.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
Well, in 1901 Austria and Italy may not have needed your
help as things look comfortable for them and Austria
coveted your centers. Now with England and Germany in
their face and looking like the dominate power, and
Turkey making a recovery, they must reconsider their
path.
I have pointed this out to them. I have not hear their
reply.
I believe that a FAIR alliance is our only hope for the
future.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Wingo:
I find my honor important. As my lands and cities are
taken, it will be all that I have left.
Whether you will be loyal to Germany or not will be
revealed. I certainly have no plans to tell him that you
told me that you will be loyal to him. Will he be loyal
to you, or can you continue to be loyal to him, when he
grows faster than you? An interesting dynamic that may
get played out on the face of Europe. Fredd has told me
several times that he does not forsee any alliances
lasting more than a couple of game years. I was looking
forward to proving him wrong. Now someone else will have
to do that.
You must be gleeful that Turkey outguessed Austria. That
will make a huge impact on the future. Does it help you
and Germany or weaken the necessity that drove you to a
complete trustful alignment. A question for
philosophers, not myself.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 20 and Final Results:
Lance Armstrong rode into Paris, wearing the Yellow
Jersey on the final stage. This is his third Tour de
France victory in as many years. Jan Svorada of team
Lampre won today's stage. The Green Jersey goes to Erik
Zabel of Telekom and the Polka Dot Jersey to Laurent
Jalabert of CSC World something or other. At least each
Jersey was won by a team representing one of our great
powers in Europe. Of the 20 stages and the Prologue, 13
were won by our teams.
England wins the game the Grand Prize of having Ivy
Wingo's sister get a date with the Dauphin. Knowing that
the relations between England and France are a bit shaky
right now, we will allow Ivy to escort his sister
throughout the evening. Do not worry, you will be
perfectly safe in France. Our word is as good as yours.
Second Place goes to Germany. He wins the prize of
having the Dauphin call his sister and wish her well.
Turkey, in third place gets an autographed picture of the
Dauphin with Lance Armstrong. The autograph is the
Dauphin's not Lance's.
I truly thank everyone fror playing and putting up with
my game. I especially appreciate those who made
references to it during Titleist. Personally, I am
looking forward to the break from reporting on it. :-)
Final Tally:
England (USPS): 90 points
Germany (Telekom): 50 points
Turkey (CSC): 40 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
> with England and Germany in their face and looking
> like the dominate power, and Turkey making a
> recovery, they must reconsider their path. I have
> pointed this out to them. I have not hear their reply.
> I believe that a FAIR alliance is our only hope for
> the future.
I doubt that AI see EG as quite the threat that you
do, though that may change once Germany sends a
second Army east. If you can convince Austria to
retreat to Vie, and disband War once I retake it, I
am willing to consider FAIR vs. GT, though.
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Russia to all
> Tour de France Stage 20 and Final Results:
> Final Tally:
> England (USPS): 90 points
> Germany (Telekom): 50 points
> Turkey (CSC): 40 points
> Russia (Robobank): 20 points
110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any non-union
team. Go Union!
V.I. Lenin.
European Economic Union Steward for Russia.
Message [from Austria] to all
> Final Tally:
> England (USPS): 90 points
> Germany (Telekom): 50 points
> Turkey (CSC): 40 points
> Russia (Robobank): 20 points
110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any non-union
team. Go Union!
And Russia is the least of the Union. C'est dommage.
Message from Russia to all
> > Final Tally:
> > England (USPS): 90 points
> > Russia (Robobank): 20 points
>
> > 110 points for Union Riders! More than twice the total of any
> > non-union team. Go Union!
>
> And Russia is the least of the Union. C'est dommage.
Russia merely leads the EEU from behind.
V. I. Lenin,
Hindmost (with thanks to Larry Niven)
Message from Germany to France
> I just do not see this game being the stab
> happy shifting alliances that you forsee. But what do I
> know, I have been very wrong so far.
Let's see, so far:
Austria stabbed Russia
Italy stabbed Turkey
England stabbed France
But you're right, there has only been one shifted alliance so far.
Russia was originally in bed with Austria. The rest weren't quite
stabs.
Personally I hope that you're right.
Fredd
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
I've yet to hear from Italy or Turkey, but Austria actually seems
somewhat troubled by his position. Perhaps you should contact him
again and suggest that retreating Gal-Vie would go a long way toward
making FAIR possible, not to mention giving him some hope of
defending his Home Centres.
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from France to Austria, Italy, and Russia
Mes Amis
I have individual written discussion the possible
formation of an alliance between ourselves. My proposal
certainly is motivated by my position. But I am not
randomly suggesting any proposal. I choose this one
because it is the most appropriate one to suggest. I
believe that we will all benefit.
England and Germany are strongly aligned, as evidented by
the complete demilitarization of their common border.
England has told me that he will not stab Germany for a
long long time. The North Sea is open and there are no
German fleets within range of it. What more of a
statement do you need. RT can fight AI for quite some
time and not get very far. Meanwhile England and Germany
will grow by 6 centers. Germany has already stated his
position by crossing into the heartlands.
Perhaps some of you are counting on their fighting
eventually. Certainly this may happen, but all this
would accomplish is turning the victor into a
frigtheningly large power that is near victory.
Our best course of action is to band together and prevent
their dominance. My motivation is clear, survival.
Austria's motivation should be to get out of the bind he
appears to be in with forces surrounding his centers and
difficulty in defending them. Russia's motivation is
growth as opposed to merely trying to hang on. (England
and Germany certainly are not offering that.) Italy's
motivation would be growth as well.
Turkey is the key. He is behind the three of you and can
cause trouble. I am certain that he sees the strong EG
alliance as a good thing and a possible route to a 3-way
draw for himself. He figures that he just needs to bide
his time and wait until EG start pressing and then nip at
your backs to a nice size that makes it impossible to
eliminate him. This opportunity is almost here for him.
The three of you must band together to both eliminate
Turkey and to help for a front to contain Germany. I
will do the best that I can to slow down England, but I
will need some help from Italy.
There is the question of the Austrian retreat from
Galicia. I proposed that this army go to Silesia, but
Russia wants it to go to Vienna. Silesia is a stronger
move, but creates problems with defending
Budapest-likely requiring Russia occupation. It would
get messy to have Russia and Austria holding each other's
territories. Therefore it is possible that Vienna is the
best choice.
My question for you all is that do you agree that the
FAIR alliance makes sense for us all? What would be the
difficulties with it?
-- Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
I'd like to take a moment to encourage all the players to submit
"End of Year" statements by 'press to m', for use in the "Showcase"
of this game.
Doug
Message from Italy to France
>
> Message from France to Russia, Italy and Austria in 'titleist':
>
> Mes Amis
>
> I have individual written discussion the possible
> formation of an alliance between ourselves.
>
Make it FAIT and I think you'll get a favorable response. Austria has
burned his bridges with RT and I'm not happy that he failed to concentrate
solely on Turkey this past year and instead diverted too much energy into a
already weakended Russia.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Make it FAIT and I think you'll get a favorable
>response. Austria has burned his bridges with RT
Are you saying that Austria would prefer to work with
Turkey than with Russia? That seems less desirable for
you as Turkey would be a danger. But if you are willing
to propose it to myself and Austria, I am willing to
agree to it. Would Turkey and Italy be willing to give
you Greece so that you have something to compensate for
handing Smyrna back?
I do think that FAIT would have a better chance at
succeeding quickly in that Russia appears that he will
refuse to attack England. Also, with Germany lined up
to go after St. Petes, Russia will fall anyway. And
trying to eliminate Turkey with Russia and Austria not
getting along very well, and the potential for Turkey to
work with Germany, would be hard.
Can you start the ball rolling?
Are you considering building an army in Venice? I may be
willing to see it move to Piedmont. I admit that I am
nervous about asking two of your forces to come my way.
But I need the help and I hope to convince you that the
longer term needs of keeping me viable will outweigh the
shorter term gains of getting a center or two. Besides,
you would probably not be able to hold those centers from
the joint German-English forces. There is always the
chance we can get you into the Atlantic, but England
seems pretty well positioned to take MAO.
>I'm not happy that he failed to concentrate
>solely on Turkey this past year and instead diverted
>too much energy into a already weakended Russia.
I agree with you. Turkey should have been the first
priotity. Russia has problems on his other side. I am
certainly not the best tactician in the game, but it
seemed like there were better choices for Austria's
forces. They were too static. But that is behind us,
let's go forward.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Austria, France, and Italy
Gentlemen,
>Message from France to Russia, Italy and Austria in 'titleist':
>There is the question of the Austrian retreat from
>Galicia. I proposed that this army go to Silesia, but Russia wants it to
>go to Vienna. Silesia is a stronger move, but creates problems with
>defending
>Budapest-likely requiring Russia occupation. It would get messy to have
>Russia and Austria holding
>each other's territories. Therefore it is possible that Vienna is the best
>choice.
I can accept Gal-Sil, as long as it is followed
by Sil S War-Pru in S1903M. Vie and Bud should be secure,
as long as GIRT do not coordinate an attack upon Austria,
and Italy maintains his pressure on Turkey.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to France
>
> >Make it FAIT and I think you'll get a favorable
> >response. Austria has burned his bridges with RT
> Are you saying that Austria would prefer to work with
> Turkey than with Russia?
Ooops, I mis-typed. I meant FIRT. Austria would not be part of the
alliance and would be eliminated. Turkish armies would take the place of
Austrian armies.
> Would Turkey and Italy be willing to give
> you Greece so that you have something to compensate for
> handing Smyrna back?
>
Discussions are under way. Nothing has been settled yet.
>
> Are you considering building an army in Venice? I may be
> willing to see it move to Piedmont.
>
I'm not sure what I will build yet. I can see arguments for both an army
and a fleet. If my negotiations go well in the east, I will be sending at
least one unit your direction as you requested.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I can accept the FIRT alliance as well. I would imagine
that it would be best to get Austria to retreat to
Silesia in that instance. He would be out of position.
I expect that Turkey should retreat to Smyrna and
possibly build a fleet in Constantinople. That would
allow you to move Ionian to TyS and and Eme to Ionian?
Let me know what I can do to help!!!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Let me know what I can do to help!!!
>
Sure, help convince Turkey to build an army rather than a fleet.
Roberto
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I got in a lucky guess indeed.
Unfortunately I've no way to support my advances, and my only ally is
hard-hit; but all in all things went about as well as could be expected
under the circumstances.
Unfortunately I have no words of wisdom to offer regarding the west.
England is cordial, but he's spurned my suggestions that Germany might be a
better target for him. He's given me no indication of his intentions, other
than that he'll continue against France. However, he does seem a bit
discouraged about how long it might take to make gains against you. I'm
sure you've been illustrating to him the greater potential for English
growth in Scandinavia and Germany.
What is your relationship with the Italian? Perhaps if you put the fear of
EG into him, he'll realize his associations with Austria are not in his best
interest. Unfortunately my overtures to that effect seem to have fallen on
deaf ears, but it's worth trying.
In any case, best of luck to you and let's stay in touch.
Ali Baba
Austria: Army Galicia → Vienna
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Ankara
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