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Germany: Builds 1 unit
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Germany to Master
> usin@thekleimans.com said:
> >Maybe we could change the rules. I don't see why not. If it were a
> >two way, we could sit and sit and not set draw. Doug might go along.
> >(Right Doug?)
>
> Wrong.
>
> Doug
>
> (Do you do this just to see if I'm reading along?)
Maybe ;-)
Message from Germany to England
Ivy
So a draw is a draw.
Ruhr will support Belgium to hold in the spring.
Bohemia. There's a lot of options there. Coordinate with Russia
against VIE. Try to push Italy out of TYR. Coordinate with Turkey on
something? Or move over toward WAR and support Russia back in in the
fall.
All that and it'll probably just hold. and support Munich. But we
shall see. I haven't made up my mind yet. It'd be great if someone
approached me with a plan, and the plan includes a component where I get
something in return for my help now. I just might sit and wait to see
if such an offer materializes.
Greddy (Greedy?)
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
Gee, I'd hate to see your reaction if I were to suggest putting one of
my armies next to one of your home centers. Because you seemed to get
completely bent out of shape because I suggested that you move your army
away from my home center.
How about this? You move out of TYR and I'll move in. But don't worry
I'll send lots of press saying that Venice is safe from me. "It will be
my belief that we can coexist peacefully with me in TYR" Why do I think
that you wouldn't like that????? But for some reason you think it's
insulting for me to not want an Italian army on my border. I'll call
bull on that one. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
It's my personal hope that we can be allies through the mid-game and
even into the endgame (should we both last that long) If you can't see
the threat that you pose to me by just 'sitting' on my border then
perhaps I'd better rethink that strategy. I look out for my allies, and
I try not to antagonize them. For an example look how England and I have
disengaged.
Can you give me one good reason why you should remain in TYR? You said
earlier that you were going to attack Russia. I missed see your
advance. Attack Austria? Attack Germany? Defend yourself? From
whom? Austria would swing right around underneath TYR. So you can only
defend yourself from me. But why would I attack you? With Austrian help
I suppose it's possible, but if I have Austrian help, you're toast. A
case can be made that you don't want me to go from TYR - PIE and attack
France. But I would think that I'd have to ask for permission for that
first, or you'll see it as an attack even if it's not. So my friend
(?) that army can only be used in an offensive sense. Hardly paranoia.
As an attempt to calm you down I will give you one piece of
information. I'm fine with England taking all of France. I see EG
being broken in two ways. One is if England attacks me before France is
eliminated. The other is that once France is gone, EG will have to be
reevaluated. The possibility that I've been mulling over at that point
is GI sweeping in both directions. East and West Simultaneously.
Fredd
Message from Germany to Turkey
> How is your relationship with Italy? Any chance he can be turned?
My relationship with Italy is going downhill. I want him to move that
army out of TYR, and he doesn't want to. I thought that I made a good
logical argument. I don't know maybe I was wrong, but having an army
sitting on the border just doesn't strike me as the way to behave toward
your 'allies'. But he seems to think that my paranoia is insulting to
him. Err I don't think so.
Of course, I do realize that having that army sit there is a great
strategic advantage for him, and that he'll be reluctant to move it. On
the other hand I'm quite sure that with a French army in BUR I can't
afford to have an Italian army in TYR. Somebody is going to get pushed
back. And it's not going to be me. (at least this turn)
Message from Germany to Austria
has somebody ran off with all the 'g' s on your keyboard? It's ok. You
can press to g.
I'm amazed that I have an army sitting on your border and you still
haven't written to me. Your last message is dated the 14th. Two weeks
ago.
Hello
Hello
Anyone there?
Fredd
Message from Austria to Germany
> I'm amazed that I have an army sitting on your border and you still
> haven't written to me. Your last message is dated the 14th. Two weeks
> ago.
> Hello
> Hello
> Anyone there?
You really didn't need to send an army to pick up messages. And your
last message before this one was also two weeks ago.
Nevertheless, your point is well-taken. Until your army came to
visit, the Archduke seems to have taken you for granted. Both in
bouncing Sweden, and then in taking it, you have acted as he expected
and as he hoped you would.
Your recent move had his ambassadors to Russia, England, and Italy working
overtime. France, of course, was urging that the army dislodged from
Galicia retreat to Silesia. In hopes that your intentions were less hostile
to Austria-Hungary than they appeared, and with communications disabled, the
army instead retreated to Vienna.
So, what are your intentions? What actions do you propose the Archduke
take, and how will they benefit Austria-Hungary?
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
>Actually, I stated up front that any players tied for the most SC's
>in a draw would be declared co-champions.
>
>Doug
Ooh, I missed that. This is interesting and it makes a 2-way a little
easier to live with. In fact the safest way to be declared co-champions
would be for EG to dominate the game but not eliminate a third player. If
we stopped at, say, 14-14-6 and forced a 3-way, then we would be co-champs
without risking the stab for solo that often ruins 2-way endings. Seems a
little cowardly, I know, but at least we might as well be aware of the
options.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Master to all
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>This is supposed to be a press game; is it unreasonable to wait until
>the judge delivers the mail before sending the order?
Not at all -- the Judge outage occurred a bit after I sent the
reminder. Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation and
(looking forward in my Inbox) I see that the retreat is already
in. Didn't mean to sound snippy! :-)
Thanks,
Doug
Message [from Russia] to all
>Broadcast message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master:
>
>Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation
*Engage RANT Mode*
One of my pet peeves with Joel Furr is his use
of StrictWait. Negotiating with Powers to influence
where they retreat to, or convincing them to disband
and rebuild rather than retreat is, in my opinion, an
under-used, but very effective tactic. (I interpret
the rulebook's restriction on negotiation during
Retreats/Adjustments as being an artifical limit
imposed to keep a F2F game from lasting three days,
rather than game "feature", so I see no reason to
impose it in a PBeM game.)
*EndRANT*
As an example for the Observers who are hoping
to learn something from 'titleist', consider Austria's
Retreat of Army Galicia this phase.
>The Austrian Army in Galicia can retreat to Ukraine
>or Vienna or Silesia.
France might lobby in favor of Silesia to distract
Germany. Italy, as part of AI vs. RT, might suggest
that Austria retreat to Ukraine to maintain pressure
on RT. Russia, of course, would suggest Vienna, to
improve his chances of retaking Warsaw. Strategy
articles routinely reccomend writing to everyone
every turn, and, in my opinion, influencing a retreat,
build, or disband is every bit as important as
influencing the Movement phase.
Message from Germany to Austria
Duke:
> You really didn't need to send an army to pick up messages. And your
> last message before this one was also two weeks ago.
I've got a message in my archives that I sent out dated one week ago.
As if that matters.
I'm not sure what to do with the army in BOH. It seems that all of my
neighbors, etc. are so busy talking amongst themselves about it that
they're forgotten to make any suggestions to me about it.
I will tell you how it got there. It was supposed to bounce with the
Italian army. A bit of skillful maneuvering on Turkey's part. I now
believe. Ali dropped a hint that he had heard through the grapevine
that Italy was planning TYR-BOH. This was totally believable as Roberto
has stated in the past that he intends to use that army against Russia.
Now if I were totally tied up in the west this wouldn't be a problem,
but you're probably noticed that I have designs of my own on Russian
soil. I didn't want an Italian army up in the Northeast to 'get in the
way'. The bottom line is that I didn't want to have to fight him for
Russian centers while cooperating somewhere else.
The rest of my moves followed MUN-BOH. I had to protect Munich in case
TYR-MUN, so KIE - MUN.
Now that I'm there what should I do? There are a lot of options. One
of them obviously is to cooperate with Russia or Italy and attack you in
VIE. That's not really all that high on my list. Another would be to
cooperate with you to attack Italy. Not that high either. And I doubt if
you have any intentions along those lines. I could just sit there. Italy
seems to think that having his army sitting on my border is totally
nonthreatening. I guess that I could make the same point to you. IE
that I'm protecting the back door to my homeland. But I wouldn't insult
you with such a transparent argument. Having an Italian army in TYR
creates opportunities like MUN-BOH. Having an army in BOH will cause you
to make the same kind of moves. In other words I realize that all your
orders now have to compensate for my army. It'll be a major pain in the
ass, even if I don't ever attack. Perhaps you could pass along these
feelings to your partner? He seems blind to the problems his army in TYR
causes me.
Perhaps we should stay in contact more often. The builds should be in
soon.
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
> Gee, I'd hate to see your reaction if I were to suggest
> putting one of my armies next to one of your home centers.
It seems to me, you were suggesting that. Perhaps I over-reacted. Perhaps
I missed quoted. Allow me to quote the sentence that caused the reaction.
> > The army in Tyrolia is beginning to worry me. I haven't
> > decided yet, but I'm considering trying to move it.
I read that as, I'm considering moving Tyrolia by force which would land you
next to one of my home centers as well as two of my ally. I would have
preferred an opening sentence discussing the pros/cons of DMZ'ing Tyrolia.
Keep in mind one of the biggest reasons I'm currently in Tyrolia is you
failed twice to answer my queries to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of
Ven-Tyr. Regarding Burgundy, you and England could have kept him out of
Burgundy but you chose instead to order Kiel support Holland rather than
move to Ruhr in the Spring. So, to say that you are now concerned about the
offensive possibilities of Tyrolia BECAUSE France is in Burgundy is, as you
put it, "bull on that one".
> I look out for my allies, and I try not to antagonize them.
> For an example look how England and I have disengaged.
>
> Can you give me one good reason why you should remain in TYR?
Several, but since you just asked for one. My ally, Austria (who I look out
for) asked me to move there just in case our German friend (?) moved to
Bohemia.
Now, can you give me one good reason why you moved to Bohemia?
> You said earlier that you were going to attack Russia.
You said earlier you were fine with either Austria or Italy occupying
Tyrolia as long as you knew about it in advance. So, why the concern now?
I was planning on moving north but Russia became so weak I didn't see the
point. Besides, I somehow doubt you'd be any more comfortable with me in
Silesia as you are with me in Tyrolia.
>
> So my friend (?) that army can only be used in an offensive sense.
>
If you truly think the above statement is true, there is nothing I can say
to change your mind so I won't try. I'll just say that I disagree with the
above statement and we can agree to disagree.
Now, I'm willing to discuss the future of Tyrolia. I'm even willing to
retreat from the position, but, it's going to cost you something. I'd like
to see you retreat from your Bohemian position to someplace a little further
north. I'm sure you can find interesting things to do in Northern Russia
without having to interfere with AI troop movements. Or, if you're truly
worried about the fate of Munich, you could move it back from wence it came
and stay out of the Eastern problems all together. Nobody in the east was
talking about Germany. Since your move to Bohemia, that's all that is
talked about. I'm willing to bet your retreat would see an end to those
talks and get the east re-focused on the east. It's your call though.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Germany
> I will tell you how it got there. It was supposed to bounce with the
> Italian army. A bit of skillful maneuvering on Turkey's part. I now
> believe. Ali dropped a hint that he had heard through the grapevine that
> Italy was planning TYR-BOH. This was totally believable as Roberto has
> stated in the past that he intends to use that army against Russia. Now if
> I were totally tied up in the west this wouldn't be a problem, but you're
> probably noticed that I have designs of my own on Russian soil. I didn't
> want an Italian army up in the Northeast to 'get in the way'. The bottom
> line is that I didn't want to have to fight him for Russian centers while
> cooperating somewhere else.
I would expect the army would be no more threatening to you in Bohemia
than in Tyrolia. And bouncing him from Bohemia doesn't seem
well-calculated to earn the cooperation you seek, by the army which would
then necessarily remain in Tyrolia. On the other hand, if you felt Italy
was too closely allied with France for cooperation with him to be
rewarded, perhaps Mun-Tyr, either with or without warning, would have been
your strongest move against Tyr-Boh.
As to eastern goals, Silesia seems a better location if your target is to
be Russia, while Bohemia certainly gives the appearance of hostility to
Austria-Hungary.
> In other words I realize that all your orders now have to compensate for
> my army. It'll be a major pain in the ass, even if I don't ever attack.
> Perhaps you could pass along these feelings to your partner? He seems
> blind to the problems his army in TYR causes me.
Austria-Hungary has its own discomfort with the Italian army in Tyrolia,
but with your army in Bohemia, the Italian army becomes more useful than
not.
Russia will presumably remove his northern fleet this winter. That allows
you to take StP by force: Bal-Lvn, Swe-Bot in the spring. If you also
move Ber-Pru, Boh-Sil, you will surely reap the northern Russian centers,
including Warsaw which is currently enjoying its recent liberation by
Austro-Hungarian troops. Can you discuss whether these moves are in your
plans?
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Sevastopol
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 5
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 5
Russia: 3
Turkey: 5
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