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Message from Russia to Turkey

Ali,

Roberto is claiming that he saw no way to get
you to support Gal-Bud because you didn't want me
to get a build. Since that would be a remarkably
pro-German position, and since a Turkey with only
one Fleet should not want a strong German presence
in Russia, I find this hard to believe, but that is
what he's saying. For this Spring, I'd suggest:

War-Mos
Gal-Ukr
Ank-Arm
Ser-Bud
Bul-Rum
Smy-Con
Bla S Bul-Rum

This will destroy the Austrian Army in Sevastopol,
with minimal risk to you, since you will have
support attacks on Bul, Smy in the Fall, if
Austria happens to guess right with F Aeg this
Spring, and a supported attack on Bud this Fall,
no matter what he does. What do you think?

Your Friend,

Nick.



Message from Italy to Turkey

> Austria: Removes the army in Vienna.

I never saw that coming! Can I rollback the turn and build a fleet?

I haven't had time to study the map in great detail but I would like to
discuss the Aegean fleet. Would it be to your advantage if I ordered Ion s
Gre-Aeg? A self-bounce in CON would force the fleet to the EAS Med where in
the fall you would only have to worry about Smyrna as opposed to
SMY/CON/BUL. Just a thought.

Let me know if the plan of BUD->Italy and SEV-Turkey changes. Both are
easily within reach I think.

Life is Beautiful,

Roberto



Message from Italy to Turkey

> If you could give me something to tell Ivy, it
> might help glean information on what Nth is up to.
>

With the Aegean fleet still in existence, I plan on telling Ivy that, at
least for the spring, I intend on supporting the French position and I would
reevaluate in the fall. I do not plan on supporting France into the MAO as
I don't want to 'force' a retreat to North Africa.

If you would prefer a different plan of attack, let me know.

Life is Beautiful,

Roberto



Message from Turkey to Russia

Nick,

> Roberto is claiming that he saw no way to get
> you to support Gal-Bud because you didn't want me
> to get a build. Since that would be a remarkably
> pro-German position, and since a Turkey with only
> one Fleet should not want a strong German presence
> in Russia, I find this hard to believe, but that is
> what he's saying.

Well, he tells you this, I tell you that. I don't normally pass press, but if
you want to see what it was I was hearing from Italy, let me know. The bottom
line is that holding Tri was a big deal to him, and he expressed no concern to
me whether you built or not.

The bottom line is also that I'm eventually going to have to start building
fleets, and when I do, I'm going to need friendly units in Russia. As you
point out, Germany is not that ally. I know I did damage to our relations
with my choices last fall, which I sincerely regret. But my enemy remains
Austria, and I'm more than happy to continue working with you against him if
you're still on board.

> For this Spring, I'd suggest:
>
> War-Mos
> Gal-Ukr
> Ank-Arm
> Ser-Bud
> Bul-Rum
> Smy-Con
> Bla S Bul-Rum

You didn't mention what Rum would be doing; it could either try moving to Gal,
or could support Gal-Ukr or Ser-Bud. In any case, I'm planning to order
somthing along those lines. I may self-bounce in Con with Bul/Smy, since I
can't afford to vacate Bul while Austria is in Aeg.

> This will destroy the Austrian Army in Sevastopol,
> with minimal risk to you, since you will have
> support attacks on Bul, Smy in the Fall, if
> Austria happens to guess right with F Aeg this
> Spring, and a supported attack on Bud this Fall,
> no matter what he does. What do you think?

Something along those lines will definitely work for me. I hope that
supporting you back to Sev might make up for my lack of support last turn.
Let me know what you think of the above.

Regards,

Ali



Message from Russia to Turkey

> > For this Spring, I'd suggest:
> >
> > War-Mos
> > Gal-Ukr
> > Ank-Arm
> > Ser-Bud
> > Bul-Rum
> > Smy-Con
> > Bla S Bul-Rum
>
>You didn't mention what Rum would be doing;

Whoops, that should have been Bal S Rum-Sev. We
can destroy A Sev this Spring without moving something
in there. Given Ser-Bud, Bud S Sev-Rum would be cut,
and given Bla S Rum-Sev, Sev S Bud-Rum would be cut,
because it will be dislodged, so you'd hold Rum, no
matter what. You don't need to worry about F Aeg,
this Spring, because if Bul-Rum and Aeg-Bul/SC succeed,
you'll retake Bul with Bla S Con-Bul, or Con S Arm-Bul,
Bla C Arm-Bul, and if he orders Aeg-Smy, Con S Arm-Smy
will dislodge him.

Nick.



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

> I never saw that coming! Can I rollback the turn and build a fleet?

Heh heh. Actually that's what I was guessing he would disband, on the premise
that I'm now the bad guy. Disbanding Aeg or Sev would have given me much more
flexibility, and he can't hope to hold Vie and Bud anyway. So this way he
gets to be a P.I.A. to anyone in the region, depending on his whim.

> I haven't had time to study the map in great detail but I would like to
> discuss the Aegean fleet. Would it be to your advantage if I ordered Ion s
> Gre-Aeg? A self-bounce in CON would force the fleet to the EAS Med where in
> the fall you would only have to worry about Smyrna as opposed to
> SMY/CON/BUL. Just a thought.

Yes, that would be quite welcome. Austria's fleet would be much less
troublesome in EMS than Aeg. Hopefully Austria will be gone soon, and so will
his fleet.

> Let me know if the plan of BUD->Italy and SEV-Turkey changes. Both are
> easily within reach I think.

Russia tells me he's thinking of War-Mos, Gal-Ukr, in which case I might not
have a sure shot at Sev in the fall if Rum's support were cut (assuming
Ank-Arm doesn't bounce). In a second press, though, he suggests Bla S
Rum-Sev, so I'm not sure what he has in mind.

So I'd like to get more intelligence from Russia before committing one way or
another, but either Bud->Italy, Sev->Turkey, or Vie->Italy, Bud->Turkey works
for me. I'd like to do maximum damage to Austria this year; if that means
letting Russia back into Sev, that might not be so bad, depending on what
Germany does. However, I'm still leaning toward going for Sev this year.
Either way, it should be easy to get us each a build.

> With the Aegean fleet still in existence, I plan on telling Ivy that, at
> least for the spring, I intend on supporting the French position and I would
> reevaluate in the fall. I do not plan on supporting France into the MAO as
> I don't want to 'force' a retreat to North Africa.

Fair enough, I'll pass this along. If I can glean any info on where F Nth is
going, I'll let you know. I'm getting conflicting reports about how concerned
Germany is about F Nth. He tells me it may "delay" his Russian offensive, but
I'm not entirely sure it isn't just window dressing to downplay EG solidarity.

> If you would prefer a different plan of attack, let me know.

How do these ideas grab you:

Ven S Tri - Tyr
Alb - Tri
Ion S Gre - Aeg
Rum S Ser - Bud (or Rum - Sev)
Bla S Rum (or S Rum - Sev)
Ank - Arm
Bul - Con
Smy - Con

This would give you pressure against either Vie or Bud in the fall, and still
allow Ven-Pie if you wish. Russia's proposal is Bla S Rum-Sev, Smy-Con,
Bul-Rum, Ser-Bud, War-Mos, Gal-Ukr. His argument is that this will ensure the
destruction of A Sev, and still enable me to regain Bul or Smy if Austria
guesses right with the fleet. Actually, my guess is Aeg-Bul, to cut support
for an attack on Rum. Anyway, if Russia's really on board for seeing a
Turkish army destroy Austrian A Sev in the spring, that would be my first
choice. I find it hard to believe that's what he really wants, though.

I'm still pretty uncertain about Russian intentions. I can't rule out the
possibility that they'll conspire to destroy Rum, with Bul/Gal S Sev-Rum,
War-Ukr. Of course, that doesn't jive with his suggestion of Ser-Bud, but the
paranoid side of me still has to wonder about AR. In any case, I'd love to
hear what you're getting from him these days.

Best regards,

Ali



Message from Turkey to Russia

Nick,

> Whoops, that should have been Bal S Rum-Sev. We
> can destroy A Sev this Spring without moving something
> in there. Given Ser-Bud, Bud S Sev-Rum would be cut,
> and given Bla S Rum-Sev, Sev S Bud-Rum would be cut,
> because it will be dislodged, so you'd hold Rum, no
> matter what. You don't need to worry about F Aeg,
> this Spring, because if Bul-Rum and Aeg-Bul/SC succeed,
> you'll retake Bul with Bla S Con-Bul, or Con S Arm-Bul,
> Bla C Arm-Bul, and if he orders Aeg-Smy, Con S Arm-Smy
> will dislodge him.

That certainly does put a different spin on things. I had approached your
first press with an eye toward supporting you to Sev in the fall. As you
point out, there are numerous tactical advantages to what you suggest. Only
problem is, it puts me in Sev instead of you. I'm assuming that long-term,
you're going to want to recover Sev yourself. How do you see that taking
place?

Ali



Message from Russia to Turkey

>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
Ali,

>That certainly does put a different spin on things. Only problem is, it
>puts me in Sev instead of you. I'm assuming that long-term, you're going
>to want to recover Sev yourself. How do you see that taking place?

That depends in large part on what Germany
and England do in the Spring. Bla S Sev-Rum,
Ukr-Sev in the Fall is possible, if Germany isn't
threatening Warsaw, but Mos S RA Ukr-War, TA Sev-Ukr,
A Arm-Sev may be necessary to block the German
advance. It's actually possible for Russia to
prosper without Sev, so I don't rule out leaving
it Turkish, but if I'm going to counter-attack
against Germany, I'll probably look for a way for
you to move West, so that I can retake it and Build
a 2nd Fleet in StP.

Nick.



Message from France to Turkey

Ali:

Greetings from your friend in France. I have not heard
from you lately. Please write as I am lonely. A single
message from Italy has kept the dust from overrunning my
mailbox.

Do you think that Italy will indeed help me or will he
turn on me?

I hope that things are going well for you. I am cheering
for you.

-- Prince Boar



Message from France to all

Spring 1904 Symposium on Philosophy, Europe and
Everything.
- by Prince Xavier Boar

[This is Stuart Scott here. Surprisingly I did not lose
my job. I think that the brothers are too busy trying to
defend France to worry about me. They definitely could
use a better middle linebacker, that guy in Burgundy
folded like a freshly dried bath towel. Maybe they
should try to trade for Ray Lewis.]

[Let's role the clip on the uncensored parts of Prince
Boar's speech.]

Countrymen, life in France remains hard. The English and
the Germans continue to press our borders. With horror
we witnessed the deaths of some brave lads in Burgundy.
The Dauphin tells me that their sacrifice was necessary
and will not go in vain, but it was a tragedy
nonetheless. The Dauphin and I will continue to do
everything we can to turn back the English fleets and
slow down, if we can, the German armies.

We do welcome the arrival of the Italian fleet. Its
presence may allow us to hold out for as long as
possible.

[Was the disaster in Burgundy really a sacrifice for that
new fleet or are they just trying to cover up their
blunder? He mentioned some private stuff to give the
French people hope. Hope that he will stop talking that
is! Here is his customary pedantic philosophy portion.
Hey, alliteration. I have to find a way to use that one
on SportsCenter. Boomer will be so jealous.]

Philosophy
Today's lecture is on the topic of doubt and will feature
a great French philosopher, Rene Descartes. Descartes is
best know for his classic conclusion: Cogito ergo sum, or
in French: Je pense donc je suis. For the benefit of our
English speaking brethren: I think, therefore I exist.
The Dauphin likes to modify this philosophy to: I fight
therefore I exist. But the important part of this
philosophy is that Descartes arrived at it from a
foundation of doubt.

Descartes sought a method for seeing the truth of things
based on reason alone. He suspended belief in everything
he learned from childhood, doubted everything, as a
deliberate strategy toward certainty. My failure to
France was not starting for this same location. I should
have doubted the existence of an English alliance until
there was proof to support it. I put France at risk by
being blinded by faith without certainty. But no more.
The Dauphin and I pledge to continue to defend France as
if she will continue to be invaded by England and German.
No matter what the words we are hearing, we shall wait
for proof.

I am sure that many of you have noticed the Italian fleet
off our borders and recall my earlier words welcoming
them. You must be thinking, but you have not proof of
their intentions. I admit it is true. Only can a real
necessity or benefit allow us to risk trust without
proof. Therefore we must trust the Italian intentions.

[I think therefore I am, an interesting philosophy. I
know many a lineman who doesn't really think. I wonder
if they exist? If a Quarterbacks simply refuse to
believe in the existence of that 300 pound lineman, would
the bull pass right through him? Of course if he is
wrong, he will have plenty of time in a hospital bed to
ponder his philosophies.]

[Well, that is all folks. Until next year, if there is a
next year for France. I wish the Dauphin good luck. I
like coming to France. Where else do the women
continually kiss you on the cheeks whenever you walk into
the room?

Really, where else do they do that? I want to know. I
have some vacation time coming and need to plan a trip
somewhere!
Stuart]



Message [from France] to all

BG> Holey Baloney Diploman, the French sure are taking some pot shots at the
English. They do not seem to need our services.

DM> Boy Gambit, our role is to expose the betrayers in the world, it is up to
the powers to decide how to handle those betrayals. Perhaps the French are
just a bunch of whiners!

BG> Was that whiners or "winers"? They drink a lot of wine, get it?

DM> Yes, ahem. It is sure nice to be back in action now that everyone is back
from vacation.

BG> Why were we so silent? It was boring watching all those reruns on cable!

DM> Well Boy Gambit, we do not want to broadcast during known absences. By a
process of elimination our identities would be revealed.

BG> Holey Brainwaves Diploman, you certainly are smart. I never thought of
that.

DM> We have missed a bit of action during our silence. The blood was barely dry
on the knife and the Italian promptly stuck it in the back of the Austrian.

BG> Yes, they certainly are active. Who will be the next one to feel his knife?
The French?

DM> We shall see Boy Gambit, we will watch Boy Gambit. Anything else strike
you as being naughty.

BG> Well, I can't help but wonder if the Germans really invited the English back
into the North Sea. Was that a betrayal Diploman?

DM> We are currently investigating that one. It is up in the air pending
further information.

BG> The Germans may not have much to complain about. The Russia move to
Livonia last spring suggests that they expected something else from the Germans.

DM> Good point Boy Gambit. You grow in awareness each day.

BG> Holey Flattery Diploman, you embarrass me.



Message from Italy to Turkey

>
> Yes, that would be quite welcome. Austria's fleet would be much less
> troublesome in EMS than Aeg. Hopefully Austria will be gone
> soon, and so will his fleet.
>

Okay, ordering Gre-Aeg.

>
> How do these ideas grab you:
>
> Ven S Tri - Tyr
> Alb - Tri
> Ion S Gre - Aeg
> Rum S Ser - Bud (or Rum - Sev)
> Bla S Rum (or S Rum - Sev)
> Ank - Arm
> Bul - Con
> Smy - Con
>

As far as my moves, I don't think I need to support myself into Tyrolia.
Germany and I are in negotiations right now and it looks like Ven-Tyr will
have his blessing this spring. I think I'm going to order Ven-Tyr; Tri-Vie;
Alb-Tri unless you think those aren't wise moves. It's a beginning to a
demilitarization of the Balkans.

As for your moves, either option has my blessing although I'd lean more
towards Rum s Ser-Bud.

>
> I'm still pretty uncertain about Russian intentions. In any
> case, I'd love to hear what you're getting from him these days.
>

I asked Russia if he would like support into either Budapest or Vienna and
he turned me down siting the Austrian presence in Sev and the German threat.
He did not provide details of what he WAS going to do however.



Message from Russia to all

"St. Petersburg Pravda"
January, 1904
"Labor Unrest Worsens"

The work stoppages which have plagued the nation
since Production losses were anounced in 1902 have
worsened due to the flat economic results in 1903.
The employment crisis in Sevastopol, that was brought
about by the decommisioning of the Southern Fleet,
has been exacerbated by the garrisoning of the
Austrian 1st Calavry there last Fall. Czar Nicholas
has pledged that the Austrian 1st Cavalry will be
destroyed this Spring, and their horses slaughtered
to feed the residents of Sevastopol who were uprooted
from their homes last Fall. The Bolsheviks, always
the most radical memebers of the Union movement are
demanding a rethinking of the underlying unionization
strategy, and threatening revolution if there demands
are not met. There are rumors that the Czar's
personal guard are keeping the Royal Yacht, the
Standart, fully stocked, and prepared to leave port
at a moment's notice.



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

> As far as my moves, I don't think I need to support myself into Tyrolia.
> Germany and I are in negotiations right now and it looks like Ven-Tyr will
> have his blessing this spring.

Most interesting. Surely this means he's planning to cover Munich, either by
withdrawing from France or with Boh-Mun. That army never did do anything
effective; it might as well move back home. At least, it will most likely
move back to Mun or to Sil for an attack on Warsaw.

> I think I'm going to order Ven-Tyr; Tri-Vie;
> Alb-Tri unless you think those aren't wise moves. It's a beginning to a
> demilitarization of the Balkans.

No, I agree that's a better plan than what I proposed. It's quite possible
that both moves will succeed unopposed, and almost certain that one or the
other will. I thank you for Alb-Tri, and will likewise move toward
demilitarizing the Balkans ASAP.

> As for your moves, either option has my blessing although I'd lean more
> towards Rum s Ser-Bud.

I think there's a fairly high chance of Bud S Sev-Rum, Aeg-Bul, which would
defeat Rum's support. If Russia is to be believed, then I feel I should take
the opportunity to destroy Austria's army. Until we see what happens in the
north, it may be wisest to keep Russia alive; I'm strongly thinking about
going along with the Russian plan, which I outlined earlier, and then moving
Sev-Rum, Ser S Rum-Bud in the fall, leaving Sev for Russia.

The advantages to this plan are that Austria will be eliminated this year, it
will give us each a build, and prop up Russia a bit so that GE have at least
some opposition up north. The obvious drawback is that with Gre-Aeg, then F
Aeg is sure to retreat to Bul or Smy. This could be countered in Bul with
Bla/Con, and in Smy with Con/Arm, but this pretty well defeats the purpose of
Gre-Aeg, which was to drive the Austrian fleet to EMS.

Anyway, what would you think of such a plan? If you agree, then I'd ask that
you hold in Greece, rather than forcing Aeg. This would give me greater
flexibility going forward since I will finally have no foreign fleets off the
shores of Turkey. In any case, by all accounts Austria should cease to exist
this year, and his fleet will cease to be a problem.

I look forward to your reply at your earliest opportunity.

Ali



Message from Turkey to Russia

Nick,

> That depends in large part on what Germany
> and England do in the Spring.

I've not heard from either lately, so it's hard to say what will happen.
Germany did tell me after the Fall moves that he would "delay" his efforts
against you until F Nth was withdrawn. Italy seems to think he'll have
Germany's blessing for a move to Tyr, in which case Boh-Mun is a high
probability. It's all just rumor at this point, but if I learn anything
concrete I'll let you know.

> Bla S Sev-Rum,
> Ukr-Sev in the Fall is possible, if Germany isn't
> threatening Warsaw, but Mos S RA Ukr-War, TA Sev-Ukr,
> A Arm-Sev may be necessary to block the German
> advance.

Either of these presents good possibilities. At the moment I'm favoring
Sev-Rum in the fall, with Ser S Rum-Bud. It may be possible to enlist Italian
support for the Bud attack, leaving Sev vacant for you to move into. If
Boh-Sil, Pru-War, then there will be no way to regain Warsaw anyway, and I
would favor Ukr-Sev. I think that for the sake of stability, it would be far
better for each of R/T/I to gain a center from Austria this year, rather than
anyone taking two. Either way, I would very much like to see Austria
eliminated this year.

> It's actually possible for Russia to
> prosper without Sev, so I don't rule out leaving
> it Turkish, but if I'm going to counter-attack
> against Germany, I'll probably look for a way for
> you to move West, so that I can retake it and Build
> a 2nd Fleet in StP.

In the long run, I think Turkish posession of Sev would be a thorn in the side
of RT relations. Clearly, any new Russian fleets in the north, combined with
Turkish fleets in the south, would go a long way toward changing the face of
this game.

I've entered the orders you suggested with wait set. I'm still hoping to hear
some more out of Italy before the move; he had stated a preference for my
attacking Bud, and indeed that is what I had been planning. In any case I do
want to take steps in the fall to ensure that Bud does not fall to Italy.

I look forward to your reply,

Ali



Message from Russia to Turkey

Ali,

>Germany did tell me after the Fall moves that he would "delay" his efforts
>against you until F Nth was withdrawn.

That's good to hear. I was concerned about
Pru-War, Boh-Sil.


> > Sev-Rum, Ukr-Sev in the Fall is possible
> > but Mos S RA Ukr-War, TA Sev-Ukr, Arm-Sev may > be necessary to block
>the German advance.

>I'm favoring Sev-Rum in the fall, with Ser S Rum-Bud.

Yes, that would be better for both of us. It opens
up the possibility of Ukr-Sev, Disband F StP on retreat,
B A War.

>In the long run, I think Turkish posession of Sev would be a thorn in the
>side of RT relations.

Obviously I'd like to control Sev, but I don't
see Turkish control of Sev as a relationship breaker,
if you're there to keep Germany from overrunning me.

>I've entered the orders you suggested with wait set.

Hopefully the set including Bla S Rum-Sev. ;^)
War-Mos, Gal-Ukr are in as well. I'm still trying to
decide what, if anything, to do with my Fleet.

Nick.



Message from Turkey to Russia

Nick,

> That's good to hear. I was concerned about
> Pru-War, Boh-Sil.

Well it's still just speculation on my part, but it's something to hope for.

> >I've entered the orders you suggested with wait set.
>
> Hopefully the set including Bla S Rum-Sev. ;^)

Heheh, yep. Bla S Rum-Sev, Ser-Bud, Ank-Arm, Smy-Con, Bul-Rum.

> War-Mos, Gal-Ukr are in as well. I'm still trying to
> decide what, if anything, to do with my Fleet.

Tough call. If Germany does decide to counter an English threat, then
GOB-Swe, Lvn-Bal would be his only chance to recapture Denmark. In that case,
then StP-GOB could be very useful. On the other hand, something like GOB-Bal,
Lvn-StP would be disastrous if the fleet moved. I tend to think that Lvn-StP
would be ordered only with support anyway, but I'm still trying to figure out
what he was thinking with his fleet moves last turn. And, it's still possible
that it's all smoke and mirrors, and that we'll see Nth-Nor, GOB S Lvn-StP,
with Nor S StP, GOB-Swe in the fall.

I will write Germany again, though I haven't heard from him in a while. I'll
let you know what, if anything, I get from him.

Regards,

Ali



Message from Turkey to France

Prince Boar,

My apologies for my unseemly lack of communication. If it's any consolation,
my inbox has been rather dusty itself of late. Hopefully things will get
rolling again. In particular, I've heard nothing from either England or
Germany in a long while, which I find unsettling.

The word I'm getting from Roberto is that he plans to support you for the
immediate future. I would expect F WMS to do whatever it is you've requested
of it, except that as I understand it he won't support you to MAO for fear of
an English forward retreat to NAf. But to the best of my knowledge, he has no
immeditate plans to attack you.

My goal for the year is to see Austria eliminated. Hopefully, without Italy
becoming too strong as a result. My immediate goal for spring is to advance
my position so as to take some hand in the fate of Sev or Rum. I will surely
be attempting to take one or the other in the fall, though which one is still
the subject of some debate.

My sense is that it would be wise to keep Russia alive to the greatest degree
possible. Unfortunately, I rather damaged my relations with Russia when I
didn't support him to Bud last fall. That was a decision I may soon come to
regret, and I am attempting to mend that fence as best I can.

I have to say, your fleet build was certainly interesting. Not what I would
have expected from a defensive point of view. However, if hostilities break
out between England and Germany, then you'll be a lot better off if you can
depend on your own fleets, rather than those if Italy.

Regards,

Ali



Message from Turkey to England

Ivy,

Haven't heard from you in a bit. Hope all is well on your end.

The word I'm getting from Italy is that he will support France "until the
Austrian fleet has been dealt with". It is my sincere hope that Austria will
be eliminated this year, and if so it will give Roberto greater flexibility
where France is concerned. As I understand it, he will not support France to
MAO, for fear of an English forward retreat to NAf. So, my guess offhand is
WMS S Mar-Spa/sc, but that's just a guess.

For myself, my moves will come as no surprise to anybody. I'll be attempting
to advance my position so as to have a say in the disposition of Sev and Rum,
and will attempt to take one or the other this year. Which one has yet to be
determined, and will depend largely on what Germany does.

How are things with you and Germany, were you able to iron out the disposition
of F Nth? I'm not asking you to tell me what Nth has planned, but if you
could give me some indication as to whether you think Germany will continue
anti-Russian efforts or not, it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Ali



Message from Turkey to Germany

Fredd,

Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all is well on your end.

I have entered orders to begin attacking southern Russia. This should come as
no surprise to anyone. I would also like to have some say in the disposition
of Rum, though at the moment it's unclear what effect I'll be able to have.
Austria's disband choice tells me clearly that I'm his target du jour this
time around.

How have things gone with England, have you been able to iron out the
disposition of F Nth? Any hint at all as to whether or not you'll be able to
continue your anti-Russian offensive would be most welcome.

Regards,

Ali



Message from France to Turkey

Ali:

My fleet build is a statement that first and foremost, my priority will
be to defend against England over Germany. I cannot do both, so I will
put my effort where choose. If I can I will try to prevent England from
benefiting from his betrayal. If war does break out between England and
Germany, something I have basically given up hope on, I can reassess
then.

I am happy to hear that Italy plans to support me. Unfortunately he
refuses to do exactly what I wish him to do. I want support into the
MAO. I understand his concerns. But England could just as easily move
to North Africa if he really wanted it. Also it is just a fringe supply
center that could be defended, not his homeland :-) I doubt Ivy would
retreat there because he leaves an opening for me to get to his
homeland. Given my preference for seeing him suffer, could he take that
chance? I will try to change Italy's mind, but I fear that his help
will once again be very little help. I never really benefitted from his
being in Tyrolia. He would rather not help me than upset Germany. I
fear that the same will be true with England. Rather than cross a line
that England draws, no action against MAO, he will politely refuse me.
Anything that you can do to change his mind will be appreciated.

Thanks for your mail and good luck to you. Austria's disband also
surprised me. Maybe he has something unusual planned. It does tie down
your force a bit more than you would have liked.

-- Prince Boar



Message from Turkey to France

Prince Boar,

I have to admit, there have been few obvious cracks in the GE alliance so far.
The move to Nth could be all smoke and mirrors. However, I'd be surprised if
anyone in this game clings to such an alliance for very long. Even if Nth
moves to Norway or something, at least *some* English presence in the east
will cause Germany to be looking over his shoulder, which could have its own
domino effect.

I will encourage Roberto to agree to your requests, although to date I've had
little luck persuading him into any course of action. At present, I'm trying
to dissuade him from supporting Gre-Aeg; this would ostensibly be to drive
back the Austrian fleet, but I don't really want his fleets off my shores, and
if he combines it with Alb-Gre it could be a very bad thing. But I will try.

Is there a chance you might do me a favor on the diplomatic front? Russia has
proposed a plan to me, which I intend to accept (and to order). Of course, I
cannot rule out the possibility of AR collusion, and I'm not sure if Russia
will take my word for it. If you could "leak" to Russia that I am indeed
favoring his request, I would be greatly in your debt.

I think Austria's disband was pretty canny. Surely he knows that mutual
supports of Vie/Bud would ultimately be futile. And, he's no doubt upset that
I didn't support him to Trieste (which, perhaps foolishly, I promised him I
would do). He probably hopes that Germany and Italy will contest each other
over Vienna, which could certainly work to your advantage.

By all indications, it seems probable that Italy will attack Tyrolia. At
least, his build choice tells me he intends to assert Italian interests in the
center. Whether or not Germany goes for Vienna, such a move would surely
provide another point of contention between the two of them.

In any case, thank you for your warm wishes. Likewise, I wish you the best in
the coming year. It is my sincere hope that this year will bring about a
shake-up that is ultimately favorable to France.

Regards,

Ali



Message [from France] to all

>I think, therefore I exist.
On an evening such as this,
It's hard to believe that I exist
- Bare Naked Ladies

>Czar Nicholas
>has pledged that the Austrian 1st Cavalry will be
>destroyed this Spring, and their horses slaughtered
>to feed the residents of Sevastopol who were uprooted
>from their homes last Fall.
I heartily suggest that you choose the tail end of the horse. Everyone
knows that it is the best part. We enjoy it so much we often act like
one.
- Buck Naked Gentlemen



Message from England to Turkey

Ali,

>Haven't heard from you in a bit. Hope all is well on your end.

Sorry 'bout that. Is it well? I'm not sure.

>The word I'm getting from Italy is that he will support France "until the
>Austrian fleet has been dealt with". It is my sincere hope that Austria will
>be eliminated this year, and if so it will give Roberto greater flexibility
>where France is concerned. As I understand it, he will not support France to
>MAO, for fear of an English forward retreat to NAf. So, my guess offhand is
>WMS S Mar-Spa/sc, but that's just a guess.

This is the worst kept secret of the game. Even Italy has told me this much.

>For myself, my moves will come as no surprise to anybody. I'll be attempting
>to advance my position so as to have a say in the disposition of Sev and Rum,
>and will attempt to take one or the other this year. Which one has yet to be
>determined, and will depend largely on what Germany does.

Uh, you already own Rumania. Did you mean Budapest?

>How are things with you and Germany, were you able to iron out the disposition
>of F Nth? I'm not asking you to tell me what Nth has planned, but if you
>could give me some indication as to whether you think Germany will continue
>anti-Russian efforts or not, it would be greatly appreciated.

My guess is that Germany will continue his anti-Russian efforts. Only a
guess, because from the beginning of the game Germany has never disclosed
his eastern moves to me in advance.

It has been difficult to work out a North Sea move that pleases both
Germany and me. It is easy to find moves that would displease him. The
North Sea will be moving. That's the most I can say for now.

Good luck,
Ivy



Message [from Turkey] to all

DATELINE: CONSTANTINOPLE

The official Turkish news agency announced today
that Sultan Suleiman, the Turkish ceremonial head
of state, is dead. The circumstances surrounding
the Sultan's death were not immediately made public.
Several witnesses to the elaborate state funeral
claim that the corpse on display, while bearing a
resemblance to the Sultan, was not actually that of
Suleiman himself.
The surprise announcement comes at a time when
the Turkish countryside is being ravaged by civil
war, and amidst growing concern about the mental
stability of Ali Baba, who continues to hold power
under the declaration of martial law following
last year's riots. Baba has been seen in public
muttering about how his "voices" will guide his
hand in military affairs, and several top generals
within the Turkish armed forces have either been
placed under house arrest or have fled the country.
Baba's personal security forces continue to
control the capital city, despite growing public
opinion against him. Though most Turks have been
hard-hit by rampant inflation as a result of the
war, Baba has repeatedly imposed harsh new taxes
to fund his military machine. The plight of the
Turkish peasants, many of whom are starving, stands
in sharp contrast to the lavish parties that have
frequently been held for top Italian officials.
Meanwhile, accusations of rampant corruption
within Baba's government are widespread. Many of
Baba's relatives and political supporters have been
installed in Turkey's recently-nationalized ship-
building industry, and are reportedly receiving
lucrative paychecks despite the fact that Turkish
shipyards have been mothballed for years.
Disturbing reports have also reached the city
that rival warlords have begun fighting openly
throughout the Turkish countryside. In one such
outbreak in Ankara, Baba's forces moved in to
observe but did nothing to resolve the conflict.
As the warring factions fought each other to a
standstill, it appeared that Baba was content to
let both sides demolish each other. Once the
bloodshed had ended, soldiers from both sides were
quickly conscripted into a new regular army unit.
Although Baba claims that the new force will be
used to help "liberate" southern Russia from its
Austrian occupation forces, outside observers have
noted that the commanders, chosen personally by
Baba, are generally believed to be responsible for
most of the pillaging, looting and other atrocities
committed during the Ankara conflict. In addition,
sources in Vienna now claim that European leaders
are closer than ever to charging Baba himself with
crimes against humanity.



Message from Turkey to England

Ivy,

Thanks for your reply.

I have the sense that the tone of your recent presses have been somewhat cool
lately. Moreso than earlier in the game, at any rate. As you know, I'm
looking to England as a long-term ally. So, if I've done something to offend,
I hope you will tell me so that I might correct my error.

Sincerely,

Ali



Message from Italy to Turkey

>
> I think there's a fairly high chance of Bud S Sev-Rum,
> Aeg-Bul, which would defeat Rum's support.

That would appear to be the most obvious move; but, then again, when has
Austria made the most obvious move?

> If Russia is to be believed, then I feel I should take
> the opportunity to destroy Austria's army.
>

I'm a bit hesitant to believe Russia will order War-Mos; Gal-Ukr. Germany
can guarantee STP with Pru-War; Gob s Lvn-STP. I highly doubt Russia is
willing to give up two centers to Germany just to seek revenge against
Austria all with the hope that you'll give him SEV in the fall for what, to
have to remove a unit anyway. Something just doesn't add up here.

> Until we see what happens in the north, it may be wisest
> to keep Russia alive;

I definitely think Russia can be a useful resource but I don't think he's
going to fight off Germany just to have your armies march up his rear-end.
He's been unusually silent about his moves this spring which leads me to
believe he doesn't want me to pass on information to you. I smell a rat but
that just might be this morning's road-kill still in my nose.

What Russia would do other than follow the outlined plan is anybody's guess.
I would be shocked to see any cooperation between Austria and Russia this
year. However, I don't think anyone in this game will just throw their
hands up and quit. We'll all fight to the bitter end.

>
> The advantages to this plan are that Austria will be
> eliminated this year,
>

I would be in favor of any plan that eliminated Austria this year.

>
> then I'd ask that you hold in Greece, rather than forcing Aeg.
>

I'll do what you want with Greece/Ion. I've altered their orders to
hold/support. Let me know if you want me to change them back to force the
Aegean.

As I talk with England/France, I'd actually prefer to force Austria to the
EMS.

That would enable me to move Ion-Tun; Aeg-Ion and I wouldn't have to worry
about an English retreat to NAF as much were it dislodged.

Life is Beautiful,

Roberto



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

Thanks for your reply. You raise some good points, and I have been wondering
myself why Russia would act as he says he's going to.

On the other hand, the Turkish orders that Russia is requesting don't seem to
put me at risk. At worst would be Gal S Bud-Rum, but that just trades Rum for
Sev, and I don't see Austria abandoning Bud that way. Also, what would Russia
gain from it?

In terms of Ion-Tun, Aeg-Ion in the fall, that would be jeopardized should
Austria end up in Bul as I expect. So, if we go with the Gre-Aeg plan, then
I'll clearly need to bounce in Con or something so that EMS is the only
retreat option.

The best-case scenario under Russia's plan would be Aeg-Smy. That could be
harmlessly dislodged in the fall, and still allow Ion-Tun, Gre-Ion. Any
thoughts on how we might leak word to Austria that Smy will be vacated in the
spring?

In any case, I appreciate your flexibility. Let's sleep on it and see if we
get any further intelligence from the others. I will write again tomorrow, or
sooner if I hear anything of value.

Best regards,

Ali



Message from Italy to Turkey

>
> In any case, I appreciate your flexibility. Let's sleep on
> it and see if we get any further intelligence from the
> others. I will write again tomorrow, or
> sooner if I hear anything of value.
>

The deadline is tonight! No sleeping on it unfortunately.

I've lost track. Remind me again of what Russia has asked for?

What are the drawbacks to the following orders (if any):

rum-sev
bla s rum-sev
ank-arm
bul-con
arm-con
ser-bud

gre-aeg
ion s gre-aeg
tri-vie
ven-tyr
alb-tri

Is Bud-Rum a problem under this scenario? There would seem to be more fire
power than necessary to kick him out in the fall.

Am I looking at the map thru rose-colored glasses?

Roberto



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

> The deadline is tonight! No sleeping on it unfortunately.

Egad! Thanks, I was just looking at the date and not paying enough attention
to the time.

> I've lost track. Remind me again of what Russia has asked for?

Russia's proposal:

War - Mos
Gal - Ukr
Bla S Rum - Sev
Bul - Rum
Ank - Arm
Smy - Con
Ser - Bud

The premise is that Austrian A Sev is destroyed, and A Bud is unable to move
to any supply center. If Aeg-Bul, then I counter with Bla/Con against Bul.
If Aeg-Smy, then I counter with Con/Arm.

> What are the drawbacks to the following orders (if any):
>
> rum-sev
> bla s rum-sev
> ank-arm
> bul-con
> arm-con
> ser-bud
>
> gre-aeg
> ion s gre-aeg
> tri-vie
> ven-tyr
> alb-tri
>
> Is Bud-Rum a problem under this scenario? There would seem to be more fire
> power than necessary to kick him out in the fall.

No drawbacks at all, given IT considerations. But it gives me no supported
shot on Bud in the fall, and Ser S Rum-Bud would allow me to vacate Sev to
Russia.

> Am I looking at the map thru rose-colored glasses?

No, but perhaps I am. I agree that your plan is simpler, but it pretty well
requires that I hold onto Sev instead of possibly leaving it for Russia. Of
course, there's the chance that under the Russian plan, Bul-Rum might bounce
anyway. In any case, if Bul/Smy bounce in Con, it gives us less firepower on
Bud in the fall.

I dunno, am I making this too complicated?

Ali



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

Well I sent that last press about 4 hours ago, and only now got
confirmation. Seems the judge was down for a bit. At present my orders are
in as described in the "Russia" plan. If you'd rather go with our original
combination, please let me know. I'll be checking my mail several times
tonight.

Ali



Message from England to Turkey

Ali,

>I have the sense that the tone of your recent presses have been somewhat cool
>lately. Moreso than earlier in the game, at any rate. As you know, I'm
>looking to England as a long-term ally. So, if I've done something to offend,
>I hope you will tell me so that I might correct my error.

No, you have done nothing to offend.

It's interesting that you picked up on this, because I have felt lately
that my notes were inadequate. I think I have been committing the gravest
sin in Diplomacy. I have been dull.

My excuses: you and I have no moves to coordinate; I have been bogged down
in very difficult and, I fear, unprofitable discussions with Germany; my
occupation is somewhat seasonal and its pace is picking up; I am preparing
to leave town for three days.

It is mostly Germany that is on my mind, though. We are having some
difficulties. I am trying to manage our relationship so that he and I
remain balanced. This is tough.

Anyway, if I have no future, then there is little use in worrying about how
to coordinate that future with Turkey.

Wish me luck.

Ivy



Message from Turkey to England

Ivy,

I'm glad to get your response. I was worried that your attitude toward me
had shifted, and my relationship with you is among the most important to me.

I wouldn't worry too much about your future. Much of my long-term thinking
lately has been focused on how to keep an E/I/T end game from turning into
the classic north/south stalemate line, with England holding all of the
north. ;^)

I think the worst-case scenario for you is that Germany either turns around
and works against you, or that he sticks with your alliance and becomes too
large. In the first scenario, it will almost certainly mean E/I cooperation
in France. If the second, then everybody and his brother will jump on
Germany to beat him back down. Germany seems to be the power most prone to
"early leader syndrome", and I've seen many a powerful Kaiser brought to his
knees for just this reason.

In any case, I certainly understand that we have no immediate moves to
coordinate. Still, I've always believed that when considering a long-term
ally, it's good too keep goals in sync not only for the immediate turn, but
also in terms of how to guide events over the next several years.

I'm sure we both know that Roberto wants French centers, and will surely try
to manipulate France into moving so as to be exposed to Italian attack.
Once that happens, it's impossible to say how France will react. In any
case, assuming that France is eliminated, Italy will then have the choice of
gallavanting off into the Atlantic, in which case he leaves himself exposed
to sudden Turkish fleet builds (which I dearly want to build ASAP), or he
attacks me outright, in which case he risks war on both fronts and you
holding all the cards in the north.

Unless something dramatic happens, we're headed for an E/G/I/T-dominated
mid-game, which I expect (hope) to resolve into an E/I/T end-game. And now
we're back to how to accomplish it without you having the lion's share of
the north!

Of course anything can happen. Mostly I'm sitting here fretting about my
choices for the turn, as I often do, so I guess I'm rambling a bit. Thanks
for your reassurance, and best of luck to you in the result.

Ali



Message from France to Turkey

Ali Baba:

With this letter I am sending the following to Russia:
****
Turkey tells me that he feels badly about not supporting
you last turn and suggests that he will try to make it
up to you. Perhaps the time is ripe to ask for some
help from him, he just might help you out. I am sure
that he wants to eliminate Austria and have an ally in
case Italy gets greedy.
*****

I hope that this helps you out.

In return can you pass on to England (without mentioned
that I requested it) that I told you that I will focus
my efforts on him over Germany. Thanks.

If you tried to talk to Italy thanks. He unfortunately
is putting his needs above mine. I understand that is a
natural thing to do. I just get tired of always hearing
next season, if .... but no follow through. Thanks for
listening to my problems.

-- Prince Boar



Message from England to Turkey

Ali,

>Unless something dramatic happens, we're headed for an E/G/I/T-dominated
>mid-game, which I expect (hope) to resolve into an E/I/T end-game.

Sounds like heaven.


>And now we're back to how to accomplish it without you having the lion's
>share of the north!

But Ali, how does E/G/I/T become E/I/T, especially when G is at 7 or 8 or 9
centers? Answer: EI&T have to team up and take out Germany. And that
leaves both Italian and Turkish units on "my" side of the classic east/west
stalemate line.

So my dilemma and your dilemma are the same. How do I get you back on your
side of the stalemate line in the northeast while you gobble up Italy?
Also, how do I help you gobble up Italy without crossing over to your side
of the stalemate line in the Mediterrean?

I want these problems! I would give anything to have these problems! Just
get us there and we will work on them together! 8-)

More seriously, how do we get Italy to work against Germany, when Italy can
see from a mile away that he is likely to be caught between us afterwards?

If we get there, and our problems are not resolvable, we always have the
14-14-6 option. The two 14s would be declared co-champs under Doug's
rules. The spectators deserve something bloodier than this, but at lease
we need to keep all options open.

Ivy



Message from Italy to Turkey

> At present my orders are in as described in the "Russia" plan.
> If you'd rather go with our original combination, please let me
> know. I'll be checking my mail several times tonight.

Greece hold; Ionean support Greece have been ordered.

Let's hope our results are as positive as they have been in the past.

Roberto



Message from Turkey to Italy

Roberto,

Message received.

> Let's hope our results are as positive as they have been in the past.

I'm feeling fairly confident they will be. Worst case scenario is that you
bounce Tyr or Vie, and I either bounce Sev or lose Rum. Neither condidion
prevents my supporting you to Bud in the fall and also making another
attempt from Arm. And, my sense is that this gives us the best shot of
eliminating Austria outright this year. Whatever happens, we should be in
good shape for fall.

Best regards,

Ali



Message from Turkey to Russia

Nick,

Just confirming, my orders are in as previously described. I've still heard
nothing from Germany, I have no idea what he's thinking. England professes
to have had "difficult" discussions with Germany lately. However, England's
tone seems somewhat reserved, so I don't know if he's feeding me a line or
not. All he would say was that Nth was moving, but wouldn't say where.

Sorry I don't have more. Best of luck in the result.

Ali



Message from England to all

>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.


What is this? A novice game?



Message from Germany to Turkey

Ali:
So sorry that I haven't written lately. I've been writing, but I guess
it's all gone to England.
Surprisingly enough even though I wrote a support order in Austria's
favor last turn, he has not written since. Oh well.

I plan on continuing my attack on Russia, and at the same time suspend
the attack. I guess you'll have to see the moves.

Talk to you soon.

Fredd



Message [from Germany] to all

His royal majesty King Frederick XXXVILLMCMMM would like to add to the
outstanding press reports originating in other neighboring countries.

We have good beer.

Our girls are cute, and wear short skirts.

Yes indeedy

Tah



Message from England to all

>What is this? A novice game?


Oops. That was supposed to be a gray broadcast.

The jury is instructed to disregard ...



Message from England to Turkey

Ali,

I will be out of town from about noon today through Sunday evening. Please
mind the store.

Ivy



Message from England to all

I am off to visit my citizens in Aquitaine. Be back Sunday evening.

Ivy



Message from France to all

>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some
>power's orders.
What the???????

I have at least a half dozen reply messages from the
Judge in my mail box that say:
>: Judge: USIN Game: Titleist Variant: Standard Gunboat
>: Deadline: S1904M Thu Aug 23 2001 04:30:00 +0000
I am late because I specifically planned for a thursday
deadline. I checked several times on Wednesday to verify
that I had a Thursday deadline. The judge went down Wed
evening and when it came up the deadline was suddenly Wed
and not Thur!!

Did anyone esle notice this?

What is going on??

Can we reset the deadline for tonight?

I was up most the night with work and just crawled out of
bed, blurry-eye to find this mess.

France



Message [from Russia] to all

>Broadcast message from France in 'titleist':
>
> >Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some
> >power's orders.

>What the???????
>
>I have at least a half dozen reply messages from the
>Judge in my mail box that say:

> >: Judge: USIN Game: Titleist Variant: Standard Gunboat
> >: Deadline: S1904M Thu Aug 23 2001 04:30:00 +0000

>I am late because I specifically planned for a thursday
>deadline. What is going on??

04:30 +0000 Thursday is 11:30 pm Wednesday Eastern time.
Perhaps you should update your registration and set your
timezone.



Message from Master to all

The F1903B orders processed at 00:24:44 on Aug 21. The new deadline
was set for 23:30:00 on Aug 22, in accordance with the 47 hour deadlines.

Everyone's moves are due, please submit them with promptly.

Doug



Message from France to all

My link to my e-mail is down.
I am sneaking this message out a different way.
I have not seen any mail since I sent my last broadcast

I hope it will be fixed this afternoon.
Otherwise I will be out of touch until
I get home tonight.

France



Message from France to all

OK, I got connected to my e-mail. I am sending in orders
with this message. Sorry for the delay.

Can someone give the idiot's guide explanation for this:

>04:30 +0000 Thursday is 11:30 pm Wednesday Eastern time.
>Perhaps you should update your registration and set your
>timezone.
Do you mean the registration with the judge? Or is there
something on my computer that I need to do.

I have never noticed this difference before. It might be
something between home and work.

Thanks,
France



Message from Turkey to France

> Can someone give the idiot's guide explanation for this:
>
> >04:30 +0000 Thursday is 11:30 pm Wednesday Eastern time.
> >Perhaps you should update your registration and set your
> >timezone.
> Do you mean the registration with the judge? Or is there
> something on my computer that I need to do.

Yes, with the judge. Send an email to the judge and type "whois
<your-email-address>", it will reply with your registration info. One of
those fields is "Timezone", which I had never really noticed before, or at
least I never knew it affected any timestamps from the judge. I'm still not
sure it does.

The date stamp we get back from the judge is a little confusing. The trick is
to determine the time zone, which you get from the +/- number in the date (the
number of hours before or after Grenwich Mean Time). So, "Thu Aug 23 2001
04:30:00 +0000" is 4:30 AM on 8/23, GMT, which equates to "Wed Aug 22
23:30:00 -0500", i.e. 11:30 PM on 8/22 Eastern time.

I've been confused by this myself, before. In particular, I often go by the
"wait" message, which in this case is "You have set 'wait' status so orders
will not be processed before Thu Aug 23 2001 04:30:00 +0000"... though when I
list the game, it shows it in Eastern time! Because of this, I also was
thinking the deadline was Thursday, until another player corrected me.

Hope this helps,

Ali


Map Spring 1904 Movement

Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Sevastopol → Moscow (*bounce, destroyed*)

England: Army Belgium SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Picardy
England: Fleet English Channel → Picardy
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel (*bounce*)

France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Fleet Marseilles → Spain (south coast)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT German Army Burgundy → Belgium (*void, dislodged*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)

Germany: Army Bohemia → Silesia
Germany: Army Burgundy → Ruhr
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Army Prussia → Livonia
Germany: Fleet Livonia → Baltic Sea
Germany: Army Prussia → Livonia
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel

Italy: Army Albania → Trieste
Italy: Fleet Greece HOLD
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Greece
Italy: Army Trieste → Vienna
Italy: Army Venice → Tyrolia
Italy: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT French Fleet Marseilles → Spain (south coast)

Russia: Army Galicia → Ukraine
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) CONVOY English Army Belgium → Berlin
Russia: Army Warsaw → Moscow (*bounce*)

Turkey: Army Ankara → Armenia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania → Sevastopol
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Rumania → Sevastopol
Turkey: Army Serbia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Constantinople