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Message from Turkey to Italy
So what is it with you? Why this vendetta against me? What the hell did I
ever do to you, except try to be your ally?
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> So what is it with you? Why this vendetta against me? What
> the hell did I ever do to you, except try to be your ally?
>
Nothing but it seems the only way I'm going to get people to stop attacking
me is to become less of a threat to win the game. One of the ways to do that
is to give some centers away. I tried to give them to you but that didn't
work out. France seems willing to oblige.
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
> Nothing but it seems the only way I'm going to get people to stop
attacking
> me is to become less of a threat to win the game. One of the ways to do
that
> is to give some centers away. I tried to give them to you but that didn't
> work out. France seems willing to oblige.
Really. And what demand did you make of him, that he agreed to? Disbanding
half his fleet force, like you asked of me?
Message from Turkey to Italy
> Nothing but it seems the only way I'm going to get people to stop
attacking
> me is to become less of a threat to win the game. One of the ways to do
that
> is to give some centers away. I tried to give them to you but that didn't
> work out. France seems willing to oblige.
By the way, the only "people" attacking you is France. I'm just defending
myself. The idea that you can get France to stop attacking you by giving
centers to France is preposterous.
Message from Italy to Turkey
Frustrating as hell when you're playing with a crazed lunatic, eh?
Buckle up because it'll get worse before it gets better.
Idalia, by the good graces of the ArchDuke
Message from Turkey to Italy
> Frustrating as hell when you're playing with a crazed lunatic, eh?
Yes it is. I agree with your assessment. I believe I know what's motivating
your grudge attacks. I hope you will at least be honest in your EOY/EOG
statements about your true motivations.
I will continue to defend myself as best I can, for as long as I can.
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> I believe I know what's motivating your grudge attacks.
>
Cool! Tell me so we both know.
> I hope you will at least be honest in your EOY/EOG
> statements about your true motivations.
>
This implies that I'm not being honest right now.
> I will continue to defend myself as best I can, for as
> long as I can.
You're doing an admirable job. Your best bet is to hope that France
continues to take centers from me. If he takes too many, then I will
eventually have to disband units from the Turkish front which will let you
off the hook. So, if I were you, I'd be encouraging France to take as many
units from me as physically possible. If he gets too greedy, you will be
the recipient of the Balkan/Austrian region.
Message from Turkey to Italy
> This implies that I'm not being honest right now.
I will at least say, I certainly don't believe I'm hearing the whole story.
"Crazed lunatic" or not, you've got *some* motivation for acting as you are.
You've chosen to hand France your centers on a silver platter, while you
continue to attack only me. You've not yet told me why. Nor have you told me
why you now paint yourself as a crazed lunatic; what happened?
The argument that it's all because I didn't play ball with your request to
disband my fleet doesn't seem to hold water, since you've apparently made no
such demands of France. You certainly can't claim Turkey has been an
aggressor nation against Italy. So, I can't help but wonder what motivates
you to lash out against me exclusively.
> You're doing an admirable job. Your best bet is to hope that France
> continues to take centers from me. If he takes too many, then I will
> eventually have to disband units from the Turkish front which will let you
> off the hook. So, if I were you, I'd be encouraging France to take as many
> units from me as physically possible. If he gets too greedy, you will be
> the recipient of the Balkan/Austrian region.
I don't believe this is a game where my best bet is simply to hang on and hope
for the best. My tendency is to believe that my best bet is to engage you in
a dialogue, and try to somehow end our conflict through diplomatic means. But
these effots only hit a brick wall, and I don't understand why that wall is
there. Only you know for sure why I am your only enemy, and you haven't given
me any hint of it yet.
So I ask again, why am I the bad guy here?
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
It looks like Italy is going to make good on his threat to fight you while
letting France walk in. He now tells me, and I believe him, that he will
move the Ionian fleet to Eastern Med this fall and will destroy Rome this
winter. Those of us who are surviving -- I guess that's you, me, and
Russia -- may have to ask France to go slow if he doesn't want to be
diplomatically isolated after the demise of Italy and Germany.
I think it is likely that Russia will ask me to let him slip into StP this
fall. I wasn't supposed to be there; I was just supposed to cut the German
army there. Consequently, he may ask you to support Warsaw. What should
we do here? I wasn't ready to turn him into an enemy so soon. On the
other hand, I don't want him to be too strong. His intention is to build
an army in Moscow and pressure you for the return of Sevastopol.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Your assessment matches my own. I've been trying to get Roberto to tell my
why I'm the bad guy here. So far, nothing constructive. He seems only to
want to rub my nose in my own frustration. If you can glean from him any
motivations for making me the enemy, please let me know.
I also share your view on Russia. The last thing I want or need is for him to
rebuild and start looking at Sevastopol. My position is steadily
deteriorating, and I can't afford to lose any centers. At the same time, it
looks like France is heading for substantial growth, though he probably
(hopefully) won't build more than one this year. Still, it increases the need
for you to build to counter-balance that growth. And, in the long run, you'll
probably be better off if Russia loses the ability to build in the north.
Right offhand, I'd say my preference would be to see you stay in StP. I have
so far only seen one combination that ensures I'll hold even this year, and it
requires the use of all my units, so I can't see how I could agree to support
Warsaw. Meanwhile, it seems likely that Germany could regain Sweden as well,
which means F Swe could retreat to Norway.
Not a good scenario.
We've got the weekend to think things through, but at the moment I don't see a
lot of pleasant options. So far I've not received any requests from Russia,
nor have I heard from France. I will certainly write at once if I can come up
with anything positive, and/or if I hear from any of the others.
Best regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali, My Friend,
Well, Germany's moves came as a surprise. He claims they were arranged
with Ivy, but Ivy stabbed him for Hol, and he may be right. Still Fredd
insists
on trying to take my Centers, rather than letting me grow to help him fight
Ivy,
so I have little sympathy for him.
Would you be willing to order Gal S War? If so, I'll try to convince
Ivy to
not attack Gal. Neither one of you has much reason to lie to me, and both
of
you want me to grow, (though for different reasons), so I'm hoping that I
can
free up Lvn to do something else.
Thanks,
Nick.
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
Was that satisfactory?
So what do you think about England. He is poised to
grow quickly. Is this a threat? If he does, then it
will be harder for me to help you beat down Italy. In
fact, if he stabs you, I will have to turn away from
Italy and then he will likely finish you off. I hope to
avoid that, but pointing out to England that it would be
a very bad long term move for him, to create a 13 center
Italy. Do you see it the same way?
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
One day extension due to a player absence.
Doug
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>Your assessment matches my own. I've been trying to get Roberto to tell me
>why I'm the bad guy here.
You are not the bad guy. Italy's decision has a certain logic to it. If
he defends against France, then there is absolutely no one who can put
pressure on you to stop you from devouring Italy in the rear. With Italy
defending against you, though, he hopes to talk me into attacking
France. In spite of his size, Italy is in deep trouble.
A lesser reason may be the history between France and Italy. They were
close for a long time. I tried and tried to get Italy to attack France,
but he wouldn't do it. It wouldn't surprise me if France's masterly
correspondence has had an effect on Italy.
>I also share your view on Russia.
I thought you would. I still don't know what to do up there. Russia has
been quiet.
>I have so far only seen one combination that ensures I'll hold even this
>year, and it
>requires the use of all my units, so I can't see how I could agree to support
>Warsaw.
I see a combination; it may be the same. Attack Budapest with Galicia and
Serbia with Bulgaria. That saves Rumania. Then Rumania->Bulgaria with the
support of the Black Sea and Constantinople will save Bulgaria.
I'll be in touch again before Tuesday.
Ivy
Message [from Turkey] to all
DATELINE: CONSTANTINOPLE
In a surprise announcement to global press
organizations, Turkey today revealed that Ali Baba, the
Turkish leader thought to have been killed in the
recent naval disaster in Bulgaria, is still alive and
continues to control the government. Apparently, Baba
was found unconscious in the wreckage, and was spirited
away by loyalist followers.
Baba apologized to Turkish citizens for his
previously erratic and unexplainable behavior, accusing
Italian operatives of poisoning his food with
psychotropic drugs. Baba's love for Italian food had
resulted in a large number of foreign nationals among
his kitchen staff, many of whom turned out to be agents
of the Italian regime.
"Though this represents a clear failure on the part
of our intelligence apparatus," Baba said, "we have
taken appropriate and prudent steps to tighten
security, and we now believe that most of the foreign
elements have been eliminated." Baba refused to
clarify what he meant by "eliminated."
Since the Bulgarian catastrophe, Turkish officials
have accused Italy of harboring fanatical zealots who
have carried out a number of suicide attacks against
Turkish interests, resulting in unprecedented loss of
civilian lives.
Referring to Italian leader Roberto as a "crazed
lunatic", Baba's government has attempted to form a
global coalition to fight what he calls a threat to
humanity. "These suicide attacks are an affront to
civilized people everywhere, and we call on the nations
of the world to stand with us against these terrorist
fanatics," Baba said.
"They wish to see us demoralized, but the result has
been an unprecedented level of unity among the Turkish
people," Baba claimed, displaying visible emotion
during the press conference. Outside observers have
confirmed that clashes between rival warlords seem to
have abated. Though many tribal leaders were recently
bitter enemies, most have joined forces in a display of
national unity.
However, some observers inside Turkey, who spoke
only on condition of anonymity, remain pessimistic that
these efforts can save Baba's government. As one
official put it, "if someone is so fervently
anti-Turkish that he is willing to give up his own life
to destroy us, there is really very little we can do to
counter such attacks."
Nevertheless, most Turkish military authorities
remain strong in their resolve to combat this new form
of warfare. "Apparently, these fanatics believe they
will receive greater rewards in the afterlife if they
kill our people in the process," one source in the
Turkish War Ministry proclaimed. "If that's their
belief, then we can only endeavor to send them to that
afterlife as speedily as possible."
So far, reaction from Western governments have been
mixed. One French official has reportedly assured Baba
that his nation stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the
Turkish people, and has vowed to do his part to punish
those responsible for these "atrocities". However, it
appears that French assistance may come only in the
form of humanitarian aid, rather than direct military
assistance.
The effect on this war-torn nation has been
significant and remarkable. Though tensions run high,
most Turks remain grimly resolved. "We will fight to
the last man," said one resident of Constantinople.
"They may have superior technology, but they will never
crush the Turkish spirit."
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
> Well, Germany's moves came as a surprise. He claims they were arranged
> with Ivy, but Ivy stabbed him for Hol, and he may be right. Still Fredd
> insists
> on trying to take my Centers, rather than letting me grow to help him fight
> Ivy,
> so I have little sympathy for him.
Indeed. I was glad to see you and Ivy continuing to cooperate. It looks like
Germany is in some trouble, which can only be good news for Russia.
> Would you be willing to order Gal S War? If so, I'll try to convince
> Ivy to
> not attack Gal. Neither one of you has much reason to lie to me, and both
> of
> you want me to grow, (though for different reasons), so I'm hoping that I
> can
> free up Lvn to do something else.
That's a tough request. So far I only see one way to prevent Italy from
taking another center from me, and it requires the use of Gal elsewhere. I
also sicerely doubt that you could convince Roberto not to attack Gal. (I
assume you meant Roberto, not Ivy). His move to Boh seems pretty obvious, and
I fully expect to be dislodged from Gal this turn. If you have some influence
with Roberto, you might ask him to order Boh-Sil, which along with Lvn-Pru
would be much more likely to save Warsaw than any easily-cuttable support from
Gal.
Looks like we've got a few days before the deadline, and I'll continue to
study the board. Hopefully there's something I haven't seen yet. I do want
you to prevail against Germany; but from my perspective I'm still under
ever-increasing threat from Italy, and he continues to present a much stronger
threat than Fredd does. So I won't rule out your request, but I'm having a
hard time envisioning how I can help without sacrificing either Rum or Bul.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>His move to Boh seems pretty obvious, and
>I fully expect to be dislodged from Gal this turn.
Roberto indicated that he offered Boh S Bur-Mun
to Prince Boar. I'll seek confirmation. I do
understand your concerns, though.
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Well, my arguments seem to be falling on deaf ears, but I will continue to
make them nevertheless.
In trying to assess your motivations, I can see two probabilities. One, you
simply want out of the game, and are taking the quickest route possible
toward that goal. Two, you no longer wish to be percieved as the principal
threat, and want France to be in that role instead.
If one, then you're on the right track.
If two, then I think you're overlooking a big part of the equation. There
is a significant difference between losing centers to Turkey versus losing
centers to France. Namely, if you give up centers to Turkey, those centers
are in the Balkans and/or Austria. But the centers France will take will be
your home centers. And once you've lost those, you've essentially lost the
game.
If you really just want to suicide out of the game, there's not much I can
do about it. My attempts at engaging in a logical discussions have so far
been met only with resistance on your part. Again, I will defend as best I
can, for as long as I can. However, if you change your mind, then I repeat
that I will not simply come gunning for you out of a blind thirst for
revenge. Rather, I will continue my previous efforts to work with you for
mutual stability.
Ali
Message from France to England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just to let you know that I will be out of the
country Sat, Sun, and Mon. Do write and I
will try to respond Monday night. Tuesday will
be a humdinger of a day, but I *will* find time on
Tuesday. I do not want to cause more than the
minimum delay.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Is it correct that there seems to be no hope of you and Italy agreeing on a
truce line? Is Roberto as uncompromising with you as he is with me? I am
trying to imagine what I must do, and when I must do it, if France tries
to make a run for a huge number of centers.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Is it correct that there seems to be no hope of you and Italy agreeing on
a
> truce line?
I'm afraid that seems to be the case, I've seen nothing hopeful at all from
him. I've tried logic, pushing, pulling, nothing works. My last two
presses have gone unanswered, which is about my limit in a single diplomacy
phase.
> Is Roberto as uncompromising with you as he is with me?
Is he uncompromising with you in every respect? That's how he is with me.
> I am
> trying to imagine what I must do, and when I must do it, if France tries
> to make a run for a huge number of centers.
Unfortunately, you attacking France is *exactly* what Roberto wants. I
would urge patience, France has much more to gain if he takes it slow and
stays on your side, which is precisely what I'm telling him. Meanwhile,
you've got some potential gains of your own, which France may have concerns
about. In the words of Bush the senior, I urge you to stay the course.
[Thousand points of light. Stay the course. Thousand points of light.]
All rhetoric aside, I'm hoping Italy won't get what he wants, which is EF
conflict.
Have you made any decision about Russia?
Ali
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>Is he uncompromising with you in every respect? That's how he is with me.
Yes, his tone is so extreme that it hardly seems worth the trouble to try
with him. There is some logic in his stance. Namely, his position is
hopeless unless I attack France fairly soon.
>Unfortunately, you attacking France is *exactly* what Roberto wants. I
>would urge patience, France has much more to gain if he takes it slow and
>stays on your side, which is precisely what I'm telling him.
I'm not sure this is best for you, though. If France is too slow then
Italy may be able to get another center or two from you before dying. If
France crushes Italy by walking into Rome and Naples next year, then you
may survive relatively unscathed.
For selfish reasons, I prefer that you be strong enough to throw your
weight around in an end game. An ET ending is safer for me than an EF
ending, for example.
>All rhetoric aside, I'm hoping Italy won't get what he wants, which is EF
>conflict.
I am not attacking France and will not attack him for quite some
time, provided he and I can maintain relatively equal strength.
>Have you made any decision about Russia?
Yes, Nick has been very agreeable. I will sit in StP, because there is no
reasonable way for Nick to take it himself.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Yes, his tone is so extreme that it hardly seems worth the trouble to try
> with him. There is some logic in his stance. Namely, his position is
> hopeless unless I attack France fairly soon.
There's something about the suicide ploy that just rubs me the wrong way.
My usual response is to not play their game, try to get them taken out ASAP,
then see how they liked it.
> I'm not sure this is best for you, though. If France is too slow then
> Italy may be able to get another center or two from you before dying. If
> France crushes Italy by walking into Rome and Naples next year, then you
> may survive relatively unscathed.
My only real hope is that if France takes Italian home centers, but I can
hold onto my own, then Roberto will be eliminated and I'll have the chance
for a comeback. Naturally, I would prefer to be able to maintain position
and not lose anything... but if Roberto goes after me full-force, as he
seems determined to do at his own expense, then my best bet is clearly to
see France succeed spectacularly against Italy. Thus, it becomes important
to see you succeed spectacularly against Germany.
> For selfish reasons, I prefer that you be strong enough to throw your
> weight around in an end game. An ET ending is safer for me than an EF
> ending, for example.
For selfish reasons, I concur wholeheartedly.
> Yes, Nick has been very agreeable. I will sit in StP, because there is no
> reasonable way for Nick to take it himself.
That is good. I told Nick that I was unable to help him with Warsaw since I
saw no way to do it without sacrificing Rum or Bul, and he seemed to
understand.
Not much I can do but cross my fingers on this one...
Ali
England: Fleet English Channel HOLD
England: Army Holland → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Russian Fleet Sweden → Denmark
England: Fleet St Petersburg (north coast) HOLD
France: Army Belgium → Ruhr
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Tuscany
France: Fleet North Africa → Western Mediterranean
France: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany: Fleet Denmark → North Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Livonia (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Denmark (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Prussia → Warsaw
Germany: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Prussia → Warsaw
Germany: Army Tyrolia → Munich (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bohemia → Galicia
Italy: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania (*cut*)
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Rome → Naples
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Bohemia → Galicia
Russia: Army Livonia SUPPORT Army Warsaw (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Denmark
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Turkish Army Galicia (*void, dislodged*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Serbia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce, dislodged*)
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
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