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Message from Master to all
Welcome to 'titleist', the championship game of the 2000-01
Vermont Group Full Press Tournament. The first round reduced
49 players down to 21 and the second round reduced us down to
these seven. They've earned their way into the final and I
wish them the best.
The name 'titleist' refers to the fact that the winner will
consider himself the champion or title-holder for full-press
Diplomacy in the Vermont Group. This winner will be a soloist,
or the largest member of a draw. If the two largest members
of a draw are of equal size, they will be declared co-titleists.
'titleist' is also a very popular brand of golf balls and
golf equipment, which fits in well with the tendencies of your
game master. :-)
I'm capturing all partial press for display as a showcase game,
so keep in mind that your words will be recorded for posterity.
Keep the potty mouth to a minimum. ;-)
I've set the press to WGP-, and moved the first deadline to Friday,
July 13. There are two players who are in and out a bit early
on, so I don't want anyone short changed in the first season.
Let's come out swinging!
Doug
Message from France to all
Bonjour Europe and La Grande Assemblage of Observers.
Je m'appelle Prince Xavier Boar!
My father has grown ill and my brother, the Dauphin, has
taken over the day to day running of France. Since the
eldest tends to inherit the property and titles, most
often the second eldest turns to a religious education.
I am no different. But being the son of the King of
France, I could not follow a career in the Clergy,
therefore I have settled for being the spiritual leader
of France. I leave the teaching of religion to our
Bishops and the Church; I focus instead on philosophy and
the arts. Given that I am a "people person", by brother
has allowed me the privilege of being France's embassy to
Europe.
I pledge to take up this office with vigor and faithfully
fulfill my duty to both France and my neighbors in
Europe. I leave you with this motto which describes
myself, my brother, and our father.
France, her pen, her sword, and her legacy.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Turkey:
I send my warmest greetings to you. Of all the great
powers, I realize that we will have the least amount of
interaction in the near term. However, the day may soon
come, our mutual gods willing, when we may be able to
interact. I pledge to continue to talk with you until
that glorious day arrives. Meanwhile we can share
information and a good oaths when things go poorly.
I hope that you will not attempt to turn Italy my way. I
will pledge to not do the opposite. Perhaps you can talk
Italy into attacking Austria? Anyone but one of us!
Best of luck to you.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to all
Hear Ye. Hear Ye. The Great Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire
Frederick XXXIV extends his well wishes and salutations to all the
other noble rulers of Europe. Emissaries of the higher order are on
their way to your capitals. They bear gifts of great value and mystery.
Please receive them with kindness and wisdom.
Emperor Frederick.
Message from England to Turkey
My dearest Turkey,
I believe it is traditional for England and Turkey to agree to meet in,
say, Warsaw around 1910 or thereabouts. Sounds good to me. Our immediate
common interests are few, maybe Russia, maybe even Italy. Should we have
such business to discuss, I hope you can count on me to listen to your
concerns and ideas.
Am I overlooking anything important?
Courteously,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to all
To: diplomats of Europe
From: Ivy Wingo
My nom de guerre, "Ivy Wingo" may be odd in that it has nothing to do with
war or diplomacy or politics. However, I like its somewhat romantic ring,
suggestive, perhaps, of characteristics of my true persona: honesty, honor,
harmlessness, faithfulness, integrity, loyalty, and innocence.
Let's have a wee contest. An actual, tangible, prize awaits the first
person to identify the real Ivy Wingo. Who is/was he? You are on your
honor (yes, honor!) not to consult any references whatsoever. Either you
know of Ivy Wingo or you don't. Surely, someone out there must be familiar
with him.
Remember, a real prize awaits the first to tell me who I am. Offer expires
if I expire.
Message from Master to all
Okay, I just posted this to r.g.d:
Observers to this game can't comment on the game on USIN, but members
of 'vgfp_titleist' on yahoogroups.com can kibbitz all they like -- the
players are the only ones who won't be permitted to join the mailing
list. So if you'd like to discuss the game with others, join that
mailing list.
I should have included the list of participants (all JDPR's referenced
are as of March 7, which sucks, but is still relevant. They don't
include the semi-final results and are thus likely to be even higher
than listed):
Allen Schweinsberg: his 1716 JDPR rating is ninth among active players.
He's played 14 games on record, with victories in 'highland' and
'pinecone' on USEF, 'samband' on TWUT, and 'vgfp0005' on USIN in the
first round of the tournament, as well as five draws. Focuses largely
on full-press games and was ranked #6 on that list at the end of 2000.
Eric Hunter: 1535 JDPR, rank #23. Three full-game and one partial-game
press solos ('juteland' on USWA, 'eden' on USIN, 'unortho1' on
USBR, and 'rachel' on USIN), along with 11 draws, including a 2WD in
'vgfp0001' in the first round. Plays all types of press; was #19 on
the YE2000 full-press list.
Jeff Stephens: 1379 JDPR, ranked in the top 100. 54 official games
played, mostly full press, dating back to 1995. Three full solos and two
partials ('dilsey3' and 'mudcats' on USWI, 'samakama' on USEF, 'adv1'
on USIN, and 'exp2' on USEF), as well as 23 draws -- including a 2WD
in 'vgfp0012' on USVG and a 3WD in 'vgfp0006' on USIN in the first round.
#28 on the YE2000 full-press list.
Ken Lofgren: 1714 JDPR, #10 amongst active players and on YE2000
full-press list. 58 official games played, with 4 victories ('rubicon'
on USEF, 'test0' on USCA, 'tech4' and 'squash' on USEF) in games with
press, along with many draws, including a 3WD in 'vgfp0014' on USVG.
Mixes no-press tournaments and variants in with a steady diet of
full-press games.
Randy Hudson: 1733 JDPR, ranked #8. 77 games played, primarily no-press
and real-time, with lots of variants thrown in as well. Full-press
victories in 'flyer' and 'burnoff' on USEF, as well as the first round
game 'vgfp0009' on USVG and four no-press games. Only two career losses
in full-press game starts.
Rich Olver: 1271 JDPR. The underdog. :-) Normally, that rating is
one of the top one or two in a game, but not here. Played 34 games,
mostly no-press in recent years. Full-press wins in 'winooski' on USIN,
'vergenne' on USEF, and a 2WD in 'vgfp0008' on USVG in the first round.
JDPR peaked at 1471, before the 1999 and 2000 Vermont Group no-press
tournaments (which didn't go so well).
Roger Yonkoski: 1818 JDPR, #4 amongst active players. Also ranked #3
on YE2000 full-press list with 1825 rating. 25 games played, with
full-press solos in 'primary' on USEF, 'braves' on USNM, 'pride' on
USCA, 'horse' on USWI, 'truth' and 'abby' on USEF, plus a dozen or more
draws. 2WD in 'vgfp0013' in the first round. His loss in 'vgfp0004'
was his first loss, ever, in a full-press game he started. The favorite.
The average JDPR of the players in this game will be calculated at
then end of the game (that's the measurement point for all games).
Given that these players' successes in the second round (not to be
revealed until the final is finished), this is likely to be the
highest rated game in Judge history.
Doug
Message [from England] to all
What is most amazing about the list of players are the missing names.
Where is Ron Poet, #1 in the March ratings and #2 in this tournament after
the preliminary games? Where is Karlis Povisils, former #1 in the world,
currently #2, and #1 in this tournament after the preliminaries? Where is
Michael Andresen, currently #6 in the March ratings, and #3 in this
tournament after the preliminaries?
Arguably, the three best players going into the semifinal round did not
survive.
This is a most dangerous world. Get me out of here!
[Perhaps Rich Olver is the real favorite.]
Message from Russia to all
(St. Petersburg, Russia, Dec. 1900)
"St.
Petersburg Pravda"
"A New Century, A New
Russia, and a New Europe"
In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II, the
Czar-Liberator, outlined his ideas regarding Russia in the 20th Century.
Here is the text of his speech.
With the ever increasing rate of industrialization in Russia and the
rest Europe, it has become clear that some manner of continental control is
necessary to ensure worker safety, to increase worker salaries, and to allow
their involvement in production decisions, in order to increase worker
satisfaction. Doing so will increase both productivity and profits.
Continental control of production centres will also increase profit and
productivity through the application of economies of scale, and make sure
that the natural resources needed for maintaining these newly achieved
levels of production can be cheaply and efficiently obtained. I, therefore,
propose the formation of a cooperative council to implement and oversee the
achievement of this European Economic Union, and lay out the following
proposed declaration of principles for the EEU.
Declaration of Principles
The fundamental tenets of the EEU movement are that more centralized control
of Production Centers will result in increased productivity and profits.
Secondly, worker unionization will improve safety, worker involvement in
production decisions, worker salaries, and worker satisfaction, and
therefore also increase productivity, thus a more efficient and profitable
economy will develop.
1) The 34 major Production Centers in Europe must be controlled by EEU
Member states.
2) Workers in Europe, both Agricultural, and Manufacturing, must be
Unionized.
3) Worker Unions and Management must negotiate equitable contracts that
protect worker safety, encourage worker innovation, and improve
productivity, and therefore improve management profits, and worker salaries.
4) If Management and Unions cannot agree on a Contract, they will submit to
the decision of the EEU Board of Arbitration.
5) The EEU will not interfere in the internal political, and social, affairs
of its member states.
6) All EEU member states will come to the aid of another member state, if
any member state is threatened by an outside state.
7) Conflicts between member states will be resolved through negotiation, not
the use of force.
8) Overall economic goals and policies will be set by the Union House, which
will have per capita representation from each union, and the Management
House, which will have a representative from each production area that must
negotiate with a union.
9) This overall economic policy will be subject to review by the EEU
Assembly, (a member from each EEU state), and final approval by the three
member Executive Council (Russia, and two members, yet to be determined.)
. These guiding principles are not yet set in stone, and are subject to
amendment by the Executive Council once it is formed, and I am more than
willing to consider the concerns of prospective members of the EEU. Rulers
of Europe, I look forward to speaking with each of you, and I hope to
establish close working relationships with those of you who see the
advantages that the EEU represents for our nations, our workers, and the
world.
Message from England to all
>In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II, the
>Czar-Liberator, outlined his ideas regarding Russia in the 20th Century.
>Here is the text of his speech.
>
> With the ever increasing rate of industrialization in Russia and the
>rest Europe, it has become clear that some manner of continental control is
>necessary to ensure worker safety,
blah, blah, blah ...
>Declaration of Principles
blah, blah, blah ...
Just conquer the world and get on with it, man. 8-)
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
>
> >In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II,
>
> blah, blah, blah ...
>
> >Declaration of Principles
>
> blah, blah, blah ...
>
> Just conquer the world and get on with it, man. 8-)
Well, I could have given the standard, "I welcome your ambassadors, and
hope we can all be friends." speech, but I didn't figure anyone would buy
that, either. ;-) I do apologize for the length of my opening broadcast
though. I neglected to write it ahead of time, so it was rather
long-winded.
Nicky.
Message from England to all
Nicky,
> Well, I could have given the standard, "I welcome your ambassadors, and
>hope we can all be friends." speech, but I didn't figure anyone would buy
>that, either. ;-) I do apologize for the length of my opening broadcast
>though.
Heavens, I hope I didn't suggest the need for an apology. With my 20th
Century hindsight, I tend to suspect that Russians are long on the pen, but
put their faith in the sword. Actually I like the "I hope we all can be
friends" approach, at least afterwards. When this is all over, perhaps we
can drink a toast to friendship. If the drinks are contaminated with a wee
drop of blood, well, what's a little blood between friends?
Ivy
Message from Russia to Turkey
Greetings from St. Petersburg:
Your Ambassador has not yet arrived here, so I thought I would take a
moment to initiate contact between our two Great Powers. As I gaze
westward, I see the opportunity for years of cooperation between us, but for
that to occur we must first establish a measure of trust and communication.
I hope to hear from you soon, and welcome any questions you may have about
the EEU. I have not yet heard from any of the Eastern Powers, but both
England and France seem more than competent. Have you heard from anyone,
and would you care to exchange impressions?
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to all
The great state of Italy welcomes all participants. We look forward to
discussing the future of Europe with all of you. blah, blah, friends, blah,
blah, blood, blah, blah, blah....
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto Benigni
ps: We are currently celebrating the American holiday known as the 4th of
July and are a bit busy with barbeques and sparklers and fireworks.
Tomorrow morning (Thurs), I will send more detailed press privately.
Message from Austria to Turkey
To all who see these presents, Greetings!
Know ye that, reposing special trust and confidence in the fidelities
and abilities of Tamara Hapsburg Schmidt, we do appoint her our ambassador
to your nation, in plenipotentiary.
We hope her service will serve to further enhance communication and
cooperation between our nations.
Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to all
The Sultanate of Turkey sends its warmest regards to our fellow leaders.
The Sultan himself has been imprisoned, ah, I mean, is temporarily
indisposed, and I now represent the armed forces of Turkey. We have sent
our spies, ah, that is, envoys and diplomats, throughout Europe. We look
forward to penetrating the defenses, that is to say, building on the mutual
security of our fellow Powers. We look forward to a lively dialogue while
the peasants beat their plowshares into swords.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
Ali,
Good to hear from you sir.
Now, I've played, moderated, and observed hundreds of games and I still
can't recall Italy and Turkey ever being allies. Seems to me, our two
nations always end up in conflict. There must be a scenario where Turkey
and Italy can be friends. This game is filled with quality diplomats any
one of which is capable of a solo. But, the other six will be so good at
preventing a solo I firmly believe it's going to take a special effort,
something spectacular, something unexpected to achieve ultimate success in
this game. Perhaps something as bold as an Italian/Turkish alliance. Is it
possible? Can it be done?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
Thank you for your letter; I hope you will accept my heartfelt apologies
that I didn't write sooner. I, too, see many great opportunities for RT
cooperation. Indeed, I am greatly interested in building and strengthening
our relations. I hope and trust that you're already familiar with the great
power that we could share, if we can trust each other and work together
effectively.
The first order of business, of course, is the disposition of the Black Sea,
and of your southern fleet. There are three choices that come to mind: we
could bounce in Bla, DMZ Bla, or if you're feeling adventurous, we could try
something exotic such as the Slingshot. Myself, I think that the bounce is
counter-productive for both of us. Whether or not we can agree to an
immediate DMZ will be determined as our talks continue, I'm sure. I would
actually prefer the latter option, as I like to stir the pot, so to speak.
In addition to specifics, I'd like to hear more about how you envision a
possible RT shaking out. Do you prefer the cloak & dagger, attempting to
hide RT from the others until it's underway? Would you feel comfortable
opening with an overt alliance?
As for the others, so far I've only received the usual introductory
greetings. However, it is my hope that conversations will begin to
flourish, and I sincerely look forward to our comparing notes as the
diploming progresses.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Italy
My dear Roberto,
Many thanks for your letter. To answer your question, yes IT can and has
been done. I have seen (and participated in) such alliances before, and
they can work out quite well. The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless strugles for control
of the seas. My experience is that to make it work, Turkey must embark on
the course of a land-based power. I certainly understand the need for Italy
to control the western Mediterranean seas for defensive reasons.
This may seem a small matter, but it can often become a stumbling block.
After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval resources for
defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can sometimes make
Italian admirals nervous. Another matter to be resolved would be who should
be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
necessarily be the same power).
However, if we can get past these initial obstacles, the benefit to each of
us is tremendous. It would free you of the need to cling to an Austrian
ally, thereby giving you another avenue for growth (not to mention resolving
the Ven/Tri situation). A land-based Turkey would give you the naval
flexibility to get the better of any conflicts with France. And a secure
western front would enable me to form a strong position and challenge
Austria and Germany for control of the center.
Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say "this-power and
that-power are always enemies, they can never get along." Doing so, I feel,
robs one of a potentially valuable ally. I urge you to judge me by my
nature and my actions, rather than the color of my pieces on the board.
In any case, I'm quite delighted to hear from you. I eagerly await your
thoughts on the above... or any other topic that comes to mind.
Sincerely,
Ali
Message from Turkey to Austria
Greetings from Turkey,
I'm writing to open a dialogue between us. We have received your
proclamation that Tamara Hapsburg Schmidt has been installed as your
ambassador, and we therefore extend our invitation to the very inner sanctum
of our military machine.
It has been my experience that Austria and Turkey have many opportunities to
work well together. Naturally, we potentially have common enemies in Russia
and Italy. And, if Turkey focuses on fleet strength, and Austria on land,
then there are few ways we can really get in each other's way.
I hope you feel the same way; I am ready, willing and eager to discuss any
propositions or proposals put forth by your noble Archduke.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
I welcome you to the game. I look forward to meeting
your emissaries.
I have arranged a special Diplomatic processing center on
the Island of Corsica. I know that it is off the
mainland, but it is very nice. Tell them to look for the
large tent and long wooden table. I know that it does
not sound like very much, but it is a very plush tent.
Tell them not to mind the metal detectors when they get
off the plane or boat.
Feel proud, the other Emissaries are stuck on the
Mainland and do not get such royal treatment. Of course
they are the boring types that are not out spying and
penetrating defenses. How trite of them.
Tell the Sultan that we wish him well. Perhaps he and my
father can converse or play backgammon while you and I
work out the real issues.
-- Prince Boar
PS: The Dauphin sends his best and says that he is
keeping an eye on you. How lucky for you.
Message from France to Austria, England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Mes Amis:
I shall be away the next two days. I will be hiking and
meditating in the French Alps. I hear that there is an
astrologer hermit in the Mountains and I aslo wish to
consult him on some things that I have read in the stars.
I am letting you know this for two reasons. The first is
that I do not want you to think that I am ignoring you if
I do not immediately return mail. The second is that I
am willing to consult the hermit on your behalf.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
It is with great pleasure that I announce the beginning
of the Tour de France. I will be at the official start
of the race tomorrow.
As it is such a national treasure and a point of pride
for France, I will endeavor to keep you informed of the
Progress.
I imagine that Germany will be pulling for Team Deustche
Telekom
England may wish to adopt the American USPS team, as they
share a common language.
Italy should choose one of the Italian Teams:
Fassa Bortolo
Lampre - Daikin
Mapei - Quick Step
I will choose a French team, say:
Festina
The remainder of you (Turkey, Austria, and Russia) can
choose one of:
*Rabobank from the Netherlands
*Domo - Farm Frites from Belgium
*CSC - World Online from Denmark
*O.N.C.E. from Spain
(first come first serve, send me your preferences in
order as I may not see them before the race begins)
Please let me know your choice. I will then award points
according to the following:
10 points for winning a stage
20 points for winning the Green or Polka Dot Jersey
50 Points for winning the race
Who ever gets the most points is the winner and wins the
following grande prize:
A date for their sister with the Dauphin.
(not to mention a great deal of bragging rights)
I hope that you will all participate. It will be fun, I
promise. Just imaging the fame you will receive as your
adopted team wins a stage. Power, Fame, Dates, they will
all be yours.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to all
It is with great pride that I make the team of Fassa Bortolo my Tour de
France selection.
Life is Beautiful - as is the ride to Paris
Roberto
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali Baba ,
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>I hope you will accept my heartfelt apologies that
>I didn't write sooner.
No apology is necessary. I certainly understand how
domestic concerns can interfere with foreign affairs.
>The first order of business, of course, is the disposition of the Black
>Sea, and of your southern fleet. There are three choices that come to
>mind: we could bounce in Bla, DMZ Bla, or if you're feeling adventurous, we
>could try something exotic such as the Slingshot. Myself, I think that the
>bounce is counter-productive for both of us.
The Slingshot certainly has advantages, but would
almost certainly be recognized at this level as an
attempt to conceal the Juggernaut. This, of course,
begs the question of how Powers at this level would
react to a Juggernaut. What do you think? Another
possibility would be to combine a Turkish Hedgehog
(Con-Bul, Smy-Arm, Ank-Con), with the Turkish Attack
variant of the Southern System (Sev-Bla, Mos-Sev,
StP-Bot, War-Ukr/Gal), and then Convoy Arm to Bul or
Rum in 1902. This would probably be the only way to
hide the Juggernaut.
>I'd like to hear more about how you envision a
>possible RT shaking out. Do you prefer the cloak & dagger, attempting to
>hide RT from the others until it's underway? Would you feel comfortable
>opening with an overt alliance?
I'm not sure. Conventional wisdom says that Ank-Con,
Sev C Smy-Vie in S'01 will result in AI & a Western
Triple all headed East, but the conventional wisdom
also says that the Juggernaut is much better for
Russia than it is for Turkey, and that's just not the
case as long as Russia builds in the North instead of
the South. If we play into the conventional wisdom,
though, and you tell everyone that once Austria's
gone, you intend to stab me, the West will probably
let us roll over Austria. Please let me know what you
think.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Turkey
Dear Turkey
Forgive me, I am at home and I do not have a copy of your introductory
broadcast, so I forget your proper name.
Here is some information that may be of use to you, and passing it on does
me no harm. Who knows, perhaps you can return the favor some day.
Simply this: Roberto the Italian and I have exchanged some initial
observations, and he appears favorably impressed with your opening
correspondence with him. Hence, I think you may be able to persuade him to
become an ally or at least remain neutral with respect to Turkey. I have
read that the Lepanto is falling out of favor, and it may be that Italians
these days are more predisposed to consider Turkey as a possible friend.
Anyway, I know that you dare not have more than one enemy among Russia,
Austria, and Italy, so that Italian good will may be good news indeed.
Good luck,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Germany to all
I will adopt Team Deutsche Telekom and Jan Ullrich. Although my heart
will be with Lance again. We finally have live TV coverage here in
the US. On OLN (Outdoor life network) Finally there's a reason to pay
for cable TV.
Fred
> I imagine that Germany will be pulling for Team Deustche
> Telekom
Message from Russia to all
I'll take Rabobank since it starts with R. 8-)
Nicky.
Message [from Germany] to all
What can I say. Obviously I don't stand a chance. ;-)
My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
years. So my rating will probably sink even further.
I guess I'm just really bad at strategy.
> Rich Olver: 1271 JDPR. The underdog. :-) Normally, that rating is
> one of the top one or two in a game, but not here. Played 34 games,
> mostly no-press in recent years. Full-press wins in 'winooski' on USIN,
> 'vergenne' on USEF, and a 2WD in 'vgfp0008' on USVG in the first round.
> JDPR peaked at 1471, before the 1999 and 2000 Vermont Group no-press
> tournaments (which didn't go so well).
Message [from Russia] to all
> Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
> My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
> years. So my rating will probably sink even further. I guess I'm just
> really bad at strategy.
No, that's not an accurate conclusion. My rating is pretty evenly
the result of my press ability and my strategy and tactics, but so far
I've lost four games in the 2001-VGNP. I did not lose because I
was outplayed, but because someone else did something stupid like
stabbing for a single Center, or failing to recognize that it was
necessary to form a "Stop the Leader" alliance, in spite of repeated
Convoys of his Armies to the Leader's capital. It doesn't matter how
well you play if the people near you do dumb things that hurt you and
help someone else.
Message [from Germany] to all
>
> > Broadcast message in 'titleist':
> >
> > My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
> > years. So my rating will probably sink even further. I guess I'm just
> > really bad at strategy.
>
> No, that's not an accurate conclusion. My rating is pretty evenly
> the result of my press ability and my strategy and tactics, but so far
> I've lost four games in the 2001-VGNP. I did not lose because I
> was outplayed, but because someone else did something stupid like
> stabbing for a single Center, or failing to recognize that it was
> necessary to form a "Stop the Leader" alliance, in spite of repeated
> Convoys of his Armies to the Leader's capital. It doesn't matter how
> well you play if the people near you do dumb things that hurt you and
> help someone else.
Oh don't get me started on my bad luck for neighbors. I swear this is
what happened one year. When I was Russia, Turkey opened to Armenia.
When I was Germany, England left himself WIDE open to France, and never
responded after being stabbed. When I was France, England made his 1st
build a fleet in Liverpool. When I was Austria, Italy opened to Trieste.
I will admit culpability though. I tend to trust people entirely too
much. In the NoPress tournaments there seems to be a lot of stabbing
going on just for the sake of the stab. I've never changed tactics to
match this. Guess I'm just too much of a nice guy. Note my two way
win. My partner didn't come through, so I guess it's ok to say that I
carried him over the finish line. I basically put a gun to his head and
said that he'll take the two way, my way. (Maybe I'm not that nice)
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
How is it in the southern climes? It's HOT here. HOT, HOT, HOT.
I thought it would be prudent to open a line of communication between
us. It's been my experience that I get along the best with the powers
who are farthest from me. I can't imagine why that is. Ha.
Anyway, I look forward to discussing issues, ideology, and tactics with
you as the game rolls on. I doubt that discussing our mutual neighbors
will do much good. They're not about to tell me anything about what
their intentions are toward you. Although Russia could be a subject
that we discuss the most. As he'll certainly concentrate on the south or
the north. I hope he moves south, while you hope the opposite, I'm
sure. However, perhaps we'll have the opportunity to coordinate a
joint move against him at some future time.
Frederick MCMXXV
Message from Austria to Turkey
My Dearest Ali,
What a week this has been! I apologize for taking so long to journey to
Constantinople to represent my Archduke; he was travelling, and barely
had time to appoint me before moving on. And I was so surprised! It
took me *days* to get myself together.
Anyway, I'm here now.
In my readings, I've learned that some Turkish leaders feels they have
no good alternative to an alliance with Russia. Your predecessor may
have felt that way, but as you've clearly taken a new direction, I hope
that you can see how well an alliance between Turkey and Austria-Hungary
can work.
Essentially, if we work together, Russia can be easily dispatched.
After that, Turkey has an easy naval path of expansion, while Austria
keeps to land. As Turkey need build only fleets, and Austria only
armies, they have some assurance against stabs. The Italian centers
and/or the centers along the Black Sea coast can be passed back and
forth to maintain strategic balance, making fearful stabs unnecessary.
Does any of this make sense to you?
Yours Truly,
Tamara
Message [from Austria] to all
> England may wish to adopt the American USPS team, as they
> share a common language.
surely you must be joking
Message [from Austria] to all
> Note my two way
> win. My partner didn't come through, so I guess it's ok to say that I
> carried him over the finish line. I basically put a gun to his head and
> said that he'll take the two way, my way.
dale didnt make it to the finals just you your better
than him right
Message from France to all
Well, that was an exciting opening to the First Stage of
the Tour de France. After opening ceremony, I was
distracted by an argument over whether the middleclass
truly has freedom. So I will reply on the following
excerpt from the offical royal coverage of the race:
Festina rider Christophe Moreau, winner of the
recent Dauphine Libere stage race, has stunned the
Tour de France by winning the prologue by an
outstanding three seconds. Defending champion
Lance Armstrong (USPS) finished the 8.2 kilometer
test just four seconds behind Moreau.
He went on to add that the Festina rider was helped when
a team mate grabbed a spoke from his wheel and poked
Lance Armstrong while he was making his move. I have
discounted this claim of course. It is not that I think
that there would be no stabbing going on, I think that
amounts to a minor fine. I just do not believe one can
remove spoke from a wheel at high speeds.
Well, with this first victory, my team Festina takes the
first points! Vivre la France! That does pose a dilema
however. If Festina wins, that means my sister wins a
date with my brother, the Dauphin. Well, I do not mind
punishing my brother like that, but my sister deserves
something better. Perhaps I can give the Dauphin too
much wine and send him off with the 90 year old chamber
maid who assists my sister.
Official Tally:
(note that I assigned teams to Austria and Turkey)
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 0 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 0 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
I will try to send more diplomacy related mail later
today after I do some mundane things like go hunting
(take a trip to the grocery store).
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
"St. Petersburg Pravda"
"A Slow Start for Team Robobank"
> Well, that was an exciting opening to the First Stage of the Tour de
France.
> Official Tally:
> Russia (Robobank): 0 points
It was learned today that the members of Team Robobank were delayed by
Union Steward V. I. Lenin, who was attempting to explain the benefits that
unionization would present to both bank workers and bicyclists. Union
Steward Lenin has been encouraged to attempt to unionize other teams before
the next stage, and to speak with Team Robobank only after the stage has
been completed.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 1 Results:
With a perfectly timed sprint, German Sprinter Erik Zabel
wins the first Stage of the Tour de France. (Note that
yesterday's race was the Prologue.)
This gives 10 points to Germany and puts Zabel as the
favorite to win the Green Jersey (best sprinter).
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 0 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Christophe Moreau (FES) 5 hrs 4 min 35 secs
2. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :03 secs
3. Lance Armstrong (USPS) :04
5. Jan Ullrich (TEL) :07
6. Florent Brard (FES) :07
10. Joseba Beloki (ONC) :13
Message from England to all
To: diplomats far and wide.
From: Ivy Wingo
The identify Ivy Wingo contest is over. Amazingly, the winner prefers to
remain anonymous! Since I don't yet want to antagonize any of our good
fellows, I must respect this shy man's request. However, if he ever
performs a dasterdly deed I shall expose him without remorse.
Ivy Wingo was a catcher for the St. Louis Cardinals and Cincinnati Reds. I
chose the name only because I was fond of its wacky sound. It was tempting
to go with the even wackier Van Lingle Mungo, but that player has already
been celebrated in song.
Now for the prize. The prize is Belgium. The winner, although
unidentified, is free to travel to Belgium to make his claim. He may wish
travel afloat, but a land route would be quicker. I am sure that my good
friends Prince Boar and/or Freddy will issue the necessary visas upon request.
What's this I hear? I can't believe my ears. "We don't need no stinkin'
visas!"
Well, what ever happened to civility? And I thought I was playing with
gentlemen. It is indeed best that this rogue not be known by name. But
beware the snake who crawls into Belgium.
Message from Italy to Turkey
You gave me a lot to think about over the weekend.
>
> yes IT can and has been done. I have seen (and participated
> in) such alliances before, and they can work out quite well.
>
I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with, quite frankly,
less experienced players. Turkey has only 3 routes to expand and two of
those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to 4 routes of
expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I think it just
the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1 of the routes
that causes conflict.
> The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
> we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless
> struggles for control of the seas.
This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing, let me just
say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly give up control
of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly give up control
of the Aegean or Eastern Med. I think as long as we understand these
issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but we also need
them for offensive possibilities as well.
> My experience is that to make it work, Turkey
> must embark on the course of a land-based power.
I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than to see Turkey
become a land-based power.
> After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval resources for
> defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can sometimes make
> Italian admirals nervous.
Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will probably, emphasis
on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
> Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> necessarily be the same power).
>
I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will probably depend on
the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
regardless of owner.
>
> Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> never get along."
I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But, just
from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power for a couple of
reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2) there are just not
a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of patience. The
rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
Roberto
Message from France to all
Sorry, this will be brief. I still need to catch up on
my other mail.
Tour de France Stage 2 Results:
After riding in a break of 16 for the last 20 kilometers
Rabobank rider Marc Wauters took the victory in Stage 2
of the 2001 Tour de France today. The expected contenders
for the overall victory--Moreau, defending champion Lance
Armstrong and Jan Ullrich--all survived the day without
incident.
This gives 10 points to Russia and puts Wauters in the
Yellow Jersey. Can he hold on for the Tour de France
victory? Time will tell.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Marc Wauters (RAB) 9 hours 40 minutes 17 seconds
3. Servais Knaven (DFF) @ :27
4. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :27
9. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :30
11. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :31
12. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :34
13. Florent Brard (FES) @ :34
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
I have not heard from you lately. I trust that you were
not insulted by my teasing that your diplomats had to
stay on Corsica. They are welcome in Paris at any time.
In fact, we will not even count the towels in their
hotel rooms. We will just trust them.
Are you running into the same phenomena that I am. The
top seeds from Round 2 must have chosen France and
Turkey, therefore they are the most dangerous. We should
eliminate them. I have not heard these exact words, but
close enough to read between the lines. Too bad we
cannot band together; we are too far apart. But perhaps
we can share ideas on how to get through the early going
and put this danger behind us. Once the game gets to
1903, everyone will have forgotten about this issue. But
for now it is alive and dangerous.
I have tried to point out that all the players are
dangerous and that the top seeds may have taken other
powers to hide themselves. Any other ideas?
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
>I am sure that my good friends Prince Boar and/or
>Freddy will issue the necessary visas upon request
I would gladly issue Visas for the winner to travel to
Belgium. Simply pass through Munich and Ruhr and
everything will be just fine.
> Go Team O.N.C.E!
>Doug
That's the spirit!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
> Rabobank rider Marc Wauters took the victory in Stage 2
> of the 2001 Tour de France today. This gives 10 points
> to Russia and puts Wauters in the Yellow Jersey. Can he
> hold on for the Tour de France victory? Time will tell.
Marc, Marc, he's our man, if he can't do it, well then
Lance can! (The United States Postal Service is unionized,
after all.)
V. I. Lenin,
European Union Steward for Russia.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Negotiations Diploman, things seem to heating up, but so far the
negotiations have been slow.
DM> Yes, Boy Gambit, things have been a bit slow.
BG> But one guy rambles on about unions, another goes on and on about a bike
race, and a third says nothing but blahs. Don't they know there is a game of
Diplomacy going on?
DM> Well, relationships take time to build. Besides, some people insist on
taking all the time allotted.
BG> Well, myself and the other observers are falling asleep here. I wish that
they would just get on with it.
DM> Be patient Boy Gambit. You know that we must be ever vigilant to seek out
the betrayer, the liar, the stabber and bring them to justice. That is our
role.
BG>ZZZZZZZzzzzz
Message from Turkey to all
My fellow conspirators,
I have been having ISP problems that have prevented me from replying to
press, and in some cases prevented me from receiving them. I am using
alternate methods to get this message through. The scoundrels that formerly
provided these so-called "services" have been executed and replaced, and our
communications centre will be in full operating status by this evening. If
you have sent anything to me in the last few days, please re-send.
Apologies for this untimely inconvenience.
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
Just in case you didn't get this the first time. My apologies for not
removing the '>'.
>
> You gave me a lot to think about over the weekend.
>
> >
> > yes IT can and has been done. I have seen (and participated
> > in) such alliances before, and they can work out quite well.
> >
>
> I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with,
> quite frankly,
> less experienced players. Turkey has only 3 routes to expand
> and two of
> those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to
> 4 routes of
> expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I
> think it just
> the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1
> of the routes
> that causes conflict.
>
> > The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
> > we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless
> > struggles for control of the seas.
>
> This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing,
> let me just
> say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly
> give up control
> of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly
> give up control
> of the Aegean or Eastern Med. I think as long as we understand these
> issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
> constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but
> we also need
> them for offensive possibilities as well.
>
> > My experience is that to make it work, Turkey
> > must embark on the course of a land-based power.
>
> I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than
> to see Turkey
> become a land-based power.
>
> > After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval
> resources for
> > defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can
> sometimes make
> > Italian admirals nervous.
>
> Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will
> probably, emphasis
> on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
>
> > Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> > be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> > necessarily be the same power).
> >
>
> I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will
> probably depend on
> the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
> regardless of owner.
>
> >
> > Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> > "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> > never get along."
>
> I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
> couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
> But, just
> from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
> occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power
> for a couple of
> reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2)
> there are just not
> a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
> alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of
> patience. The
> rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
>
> Roberto
>
> End of message.
>
Message from England to Turkey
Sent earlier:
Here is some information that may be of use to you, and passing it on does
me no harm. Who knows, perhaps you can return the favor some day.
Simply this: Roberto the Italian and I have exchanged some initial
observations, and he appears favorably impressed with your opening
correspondence with him. Hence, I think you may be able to persuade him to
become an ally or at least remain neutral with respect to Turkey. I have
read that the Lepanto is falling out of favor, and it may be that Italians
these days are more predisposed to consider Turkey as a possible friend.
Anyway, I know that you dare not have more than one enemy among Russia,
Austria, and Italy, so that Italian good will may be good news indeed.
Broadcast earlier:
To: diplomats far and wide.
From: Ivy Wingo
The identify Ivy Wingo contest is over. Amazingly, the winner prefers to
remain anonymous! Since I don't yet want to antagonize any of our good
fellows, I must respect this shy man's request. However, if he ever
performs a dasterdly deed I shall expose him without remorse.
Ivy Wingo was a catcher for the St. Louis Cardinals and Cincinnati Reds. I
chose the name only because I was fond of its wacky sound. It was tempting
to go with the even wackier Van Lingle Mungo, but that player has already
been celebrated in song.
Now for the prize. The prize is Belgium. The winner, although
unidentified, is free to travel to Belgium to make his claim. He may wish
travel afloat, but a land route would be quicker. I am sure that my good
friends Prince Boar and/or Freddy will issue the necessary visas upon request.
What's this I hear? I can't believe my ears. "We don't need no stinkin'
visas!"
Well, what ever happened to civility? And I thought I was playing with
gentlemen. It is indeed best that this rogue not be known by name. But
beware the snake who crawls into Belgium.
Good luck,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> Just in case you didn't get this the first time. My apologies for not
> removing the '>'.
Thanks, I hadn't seen this. No apology needed of course!
> > I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with,
> > quite frankly,
> > less experienced players.
This may be... but on the other hand, part of my experience stems from a
very successful game I once had as Italy, with a strong Turkish ally. He
and I hit it off, and this was early enough in my career that I didn't
"know" that Italy and Turkey are supposed to be enemies. The game ended in
an EIT draw.
> > Turkey has only 3 routes to expand
> > and two of
> > those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to
> > 4 routes of
> > expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I
> > think it just
> > the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1
> > of the routes
> > that causes conflict.
That can be said of any two neighbors on the board. I assume that by 3
avenues for Turkish expansion, you mean through Italy, through Austria, or
through Russia. As I see it, it need not (and likely will not) be
all-or-nothing. In an IT alliance, I envision a sharing of Austrian
resources, rather than either of us controlling Austria entirely.
> > This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing,
> > let me just
> > say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly
> > give up control
> > of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly
> > give up control
> > of the Aegean or Eastern Med.
Depends on how you define "control". If you mean, Turkey never tries to get
a fleet into Ion, then I agree. If you mean, Italy must station a fleet
permanently in Ion, then I disagree, at least long-term. Appropriate
demilitarization is part of any alliance, and I would really foresee Italian
fleets in the Adriatic and pressing France and Iberia. Meanwhile, my
primary fleet requirement would be a permanent station in the Black Sea and
perhaps one to defend the eastern Med; but in any case, not in any position
to threaten Italian holdings.
> > I think as long as we understand these
> > issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
> > constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but
> > we also need
> > them for offensive possibilities as well.
See, that's just my point. As soon as you take it for granted that Turkey
needs fleets for "offensive purposes", we run into trouble; such fleets
could only be used against Italy.
> > I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than
> > to see Turkey
> > become a land-based power.
Heh heh I don't doubt it. Likewise, nothing would make me happier than to
have such good relations with Italy that I've got the freedom to embark on
such a course. Too many Italians force my hand with Leponto openings,
driving me into Russian arms whether I like it or not.
> > > After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval
> > resources for
> > > defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can
> > sometimes make
> > > Italian admirals nervous.
> >
> > Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will
> > probably, emphasis
> > on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
I think you've read more than was there, but my first reaction is that I'm
glad you read between the lines, and I'm glad you brought it up. Forming
and maintaining a good alliance requires that we each clearly ascertain what
the other is thinking, and that we both feel free to voice our concerns.
In any case, I have not even given any thought to what my first build might
be, nor will I do so until the fall movement has shaken out. But I've
sometimes been approached by Italians with "I'll be your ally if you promise
not to build any fleets", which I don't feel is a reasonable demand.
> > > Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> > > be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> > > necessarily be the same power).
> > >
> >
> > I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will
> > probably depend on
> > the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
> > regardless of owner.
Agreed. One tactic is to get Turkish armies in Gre and Bul, then have Italy
move into Greece as Bul supports Gre-Ser.
This brings to mind another aspect that I forgot to mention, but that I feel
is important. I am firmly committed to the principles of mutual growth and
size. Italy and Turkey are powers that often build only one in the first
year. It will be crucial for us to grow in such a way that neither of us
outpaces the other, and we will have to coordinate our growth as carefully
as we coordinate our efforts on the battlefield.
> > > Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> > > "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> > > never get along."
> >
> > I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
> > couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Glad to hear it. =)
> > But, just
> > from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
> > occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power
> > for a couple of
> > reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2)
> > there are just not
> > a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
> > alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of
> > patience. The
> > rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
I agree with the last two sentences. However, as for point (1), this can be
controlled and need not be immediate. And as for point (2), it's true that
Turkey doesn't have any immediate easy centres; but by the same token, that
fact remains whether I'm anti-Italian or not, so I don't see it as a factor.
Once IT can get established, I think we've got good prospects. Between us
lies the Balkan region, with enough SCs for both of us. Combined IT efforts
can be very effective in the Balkans, and gains there can easily fuel
expeditions into Austria, Russia and France.
My goals for the immediate future are simple. I want to open to a flexible,
defensive position and see how the first year shakes out. I make no secret
of the fact that I'll be looking for a strong ally among my neighbors. Our
discussions have had the greatest promise so far, and I very much look
forward to continuing our discussions.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
Thank you for your reply. Sorry for the delay in my response; I've had
trouble with my communications apparatus. Anyway, down to business.
> The Slingshot certainly has advantages, but would
> almost certainly be recognized at this level as an
> attempt to conceal the Juggernaut. This, of course,
> begs the question of how Powers at this level would
> react to a Juggernaut. What do you think?
That was the main reason I asked whether you'd be open to an overt RT
alliance. I expect that the Slingshot would be recognized right away. The
main thing I like about it is that it effectively deals with the issue of
your southern fleet, which can often be a thorn in the side of RT relations
down the road, and it gives you another army, thereby greatly improving your
position in the center.
> Another
> possibility would be to combine a Turkish Hedgehog
> (Con-Bul, Smy-Arm, Ank-Con), with the Turkish Attack
> variant of the Southern System (Sev-Bla, Mos-Sev,
> StP-Bot, War-Ukr/Gal), and then Convoy Arm to Bul or
> Rum in 1902. This would probably be the only way to
> hide the Juggernaut.
That could work. Offhand my concern would be that I'd need to defend both
home centers this fall, meaning my fleet couldn't get out to Aeg, which is
one of the compelling arguments in favor of Ank-Con. Also I think a Turkish
landing in Rum would only be temporary, as Rum must clearly be a Russian
centre in the long term.
> I'm not sure. Conventional wisdom says that Ank-Con,
> Sev C Smy-Vie in S'01 will result in AI & a Western
> Triple all headed East, but the conventional wisdom
> also says that the Juggernaut is much better for
> Russia than it is for Turkey, and that's just not the
> case as long as Russia builds in the North instead of
> the South.
Hm, I don't think I'm following you here. A western triple would imply F/I
conflict, which would be welcome. Indeed, I think if an EF alliance were to
form, they would likely welcome an RT, since Germany, Austria and Italy
would be quickly crushed between hammer and anvil.
I don't agree that RT favors Russia over Turkey, at least as long as the
southern fleet question can be resolved. In my experience, once that's done
we've both got good avenues for growth as well as good mutual security. I
also think that Russia benefits from not having to choose between North and
South, but instead focuses on opposing Austria and Germany for the center.
Of course, I defer to your greater judgement on how Russian interests can
best be served.
> If we play into the conventional wisdom,
> though, and you tell everyone that once Austria's
> gone, you intend to stab me, the West will probably
> let us roll over Austria. Please let me know what you
> think.
My sense is that conventional wisdom is of limited use. For one thing, some
of my best successes have come from bucking "conventional wisdom". For
another, I expect that we've got an exceptional group of players here, and
conventional wisdom may not even apply. From what I've seen, I'm not the
only one looking for a unique or unexpected approach.
I again apologize for my untimely (yet unavoidable) silence. I'm eager to
get our conversation going in full force, so that we can open without any
misunderstandings. It seems at present that neither of us is comfortable
with the other controlling the Black in the opening move. I will consider
your proposal in greater depth when I am able, but off the bat it makes me a
bit uncomfortable. If we cannot come to some such agreement, do you favor a
bounce in Bla or DMZ there?
Looking forward to your reply,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
Sorry, I realized I didn't quite answer your question here:
> If we play into the conventional wisdom,
> though, and you tell everyone that once Austria's
> gone, you intend to stab me, the West will probably
> let us roll over Austria. Please let me know what you
> think.
I agree this is a promising approach. Particularly, if we can arrange ITR
cooperation against Austria, then I might convince Italy I'll attack you
next. If some conflict erupts in the Western triangle, as seems likely,
then you're right that Austria would probably receive little help.
My concern then, of course, might be an IR effort to eliminate Turkey.
However, I'm confident that by that time I'll have convinced you that I'm
the more worthy ally.
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Austria
My dearest Tamara,
Many thanks for your reply. Now that my communication apparatus has been
restored, I'm eager to continue our dialogue.
> In my readings, I've learned that some Turkish leaders feels they have
> no good alternative to an alliance with Russia. Your predecessor may
> have felt that way, but as you've clearly taken a new direction, I hope
> that you can see how well an alliance between Turkey and Austria-Hungary
> can work.
Indeed, Turkey has many viable alternatives to alliance with Russia. In many
ways, alliance with Austria is preferable, since it removes the difficulty
of Russia's southern fleet. Likewise, AT cooperation against Italy is
advantagous for Austria, since it resolves the Ven/Tri issue. So you needn't
convince me that together we could work very effectively.
> Essentially, if we work together, Russia can be easily dispatched.
> After that, Turkey has an easy naval path of expansion, while Austria
> keeps to land. As Turkey need build only fleets, and Austria only
> armies, they have some assurance against stabs. The Italian centers
> and/or the centers along the Black Sea coast can be passed back and
> forth to maintain strategic balance, making fearful stabs unnecessary.
>
> Does any of this make sense to you?
Absolutely. The only concern I see is that Italy won't stand idly by while
you and I dismantle Russia, and he's surely not going to be happy to see me
build fleets. I suspect that AT collusion would likely have to be carried
out against Russia and Italy simultaneously, or very nearly so. Not that I
don't think we could prevail in such a scenario, of course.
Of crucial importance to any anti-Italian naval effort is the province of
Greece. I understand that Greece is naturally an early Austrian conquest. I
hope, though, that you can appreciate its vital strategic importance when
considering naval attacks into the Ionian. Might you agree to Turkish
control of Greece in '02 or '03 in exchange for support into Rumania? Any
thoughts at all concerning this matter?
In any case, we have much to discuss. I look forward to hearing from you at
your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Thanks for your press, and thanks for the information you sent. Sorry it's
taken me so long to reply, but I'm confident that my communication
difficulties have been resolved.
Indeed, England and Turkey form a special relationship. I can genuinely say
I'd be happy to see successful English advances, and I hope you feel the
same way. Naturally, Russia is a likely topic of conversation, but in the
long term I think we'll each be better off if we're both doing well.
As for Russia, I've not yet had any indication of how he intends to open.
Negotiations are ongoing regarding the Black Sea, but the issue is as yet
unresolved. As you know, I've had some favorable correspondence with Italy;
nothing yet from Austria but the usual warm & fuzzies.
How are things going in the north? I've had little word from France, except
for is request that I not try to send Italy his way. Why he suspects I
might do such a dastardly thing, I've no idea. As you might imagine, our
strategists are dying for word of the Western Triangle.
Anyway, thanks again for your good news. I look forward to what I hope will
be a long and mutually rewarding relationship between us.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
Many thanks for your letters of introduction. I truly regret that the
failure of my communication apparatus cause me to miss out on your kind
invitation to Corsica. I trust that your metal detectors have been put to
some other good use. In any case, I assure you I would never have brought
anything that would have set off a metal detector.
Unfortunately, my technical difficulties have apparently disrupted my spy
network. Not a single one reported any of the "top seed" rumors you
expressed. Whatever would make anyone think such a thing? In any case, I
must say that I approve of your conclusions: that we should simply eliminate
them. I like the way you think; and I'd love to hear more about any such
plan.
I assure you I have done nothing to encourage Italy to open anti-French. I
hope and trust that likewise you have not been pointing him my way. I agree
that an Italian focus against Austria might work to our mutual advantage,
but how to accomplish it? Austria has encouraged me to build fleets and go
after Italy, but if I leak such a thing, what's to convince Italy that it's
true? Such a blatant move could easily backfire.
I have so far not received much beyond the usual warm & fuzzies from my
neighbors, and many of my negotiations remain unresolved. I'll be glad to
keep you posted as things evolve, and I hope you might slip me some word of
activity in the Western Triangle.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
My dearest Frederick,
Sorry to hear of your unseasonable weather in the Reichland. It has been no
less unbearable down here, made more unpleasant by my technical
difficulties, which have disrupted not only my communications but the air
conditioning as well. Our technicians are blaming the whole mess on
inferior Russian workmanship.
I, too, look forward to many interesting and enlightening conversations as
we go forward. As you say, Russia is a likely topic of conversation. As
yet, he has given me no real indication of his intentions. Austria, for his
part, proposed immediate anti-Russian efforts, but the issue of what Italy
will do while this goes on is unresolved.
I am attempting to open fairly neutrally, and not really commit until the
first year shakes out. At this point I can honestly say I have not yet
chosen a particular ally over the others. This may change if ongoing
diplomacy develops strongly, of course, but essentially I'm not eager to
commit in move one. Of course, if England were to be involved in an
anti-Russian action, I'd be eager to learn of it. What can you tell me of
the English?
Other than that, I have little to report. However, I agree with your
premise that it's good to make friends with the folks just the other side of
your immediate neighbors. If you and I both survive the initial shake-out,
we would both be well-served by having a good working relationship. I look
forward to hearing your thoughts.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 3 Results:
Erik Zabel (Telekom) proved again
why he's been the winner of the
Tour's green jersey for best
sprinter five times as he blew
through an uphill sprint at the end
of today's stage Seen at
the front of the race in the late
going were defending Tour champ
Lance Armstrong (USPS), and
hopefuls Jan Ullrich (Telekom) and
Christophe Moreau.
I thought that the TdF was a long haul race and not one
for sprinters. But it looks like a sprinter is stealing
the show for now. Can Zabel avoid the early leader
syndrom and not have all the other powers conspiring to
beat him down! Emperor Frederick best watch out. This
may work against him :-)
This gives 10 more points to Germany and likely sets him
up for 20 more points for the Green Jersey.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.)14-hours 15-minutes 44-seconds
2. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :17-seconds
5. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :20
7. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :21
8. Erik Zabel (TEL) @ :23
9. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :24
10. Florent Brard (FES) @ :24
12. Joseba Beloki (ONC) @ :30
-- Prince Boar
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Absolutely. The only concern I see is that Italy won't stand idly by
> while you and I dismantle Russia, and he's surely not going to be
> happy to see me build fleets. I suspect that AT collusion would likely
> have to be carried out against Russia and Italy simultaneously, or
> very nearly so. Not that I don't think we could prevail in such a
> scenario, of course.
I also think that AT can beat IR, in part because of AT's relatively
interior lines. IR's recourse will be to concentrate their attacks on
just one of the other two, in hopes that that one will accept a
different arrangement than a continued AT. I suspect that
Austria-Hungary would be chosen for that target; I also believe that an
Austria between an allied IR will be living on borrowed time only,
whatever promises might have been made.
With proper Diplomacy, however, the situation shouldn't degenerate into
AT vs IR so quickly. Italy rarely starts by attacking Austria. If he
starts by attacking Turkey, he will initially be happy to see RT at war.
And if he starts by heading west, we can certainly avoid discouraging
that; while R will beg Italy to return and attack Austria-Hungary, if he
is making progress against France, it would cost him several turns to
redeploy eastwards, by which time it should be too late.
> Of crucial importance to any anti-Italian naval effort is the province
> of Greece. I understand that Greece is naturally an early Austrian
> conquest. I hope, though, that you can appreciate its vital strategic
> importance when considering naval attacks into the Ionian. Might you
> agree to Turkish control of Greece in '02 or '03 in exchange for
> support into Rumania? Any thoughts at all concerning this matter?
Greece is best occupied by a fleet, certainly. In the long term, that
makes it most comfortably a Turkish holding. In the short term, as in
1901, I would prefer to occupy it myself in order to build two armies.
In the medium term, tactical considerations will probably govern; but if
Turkey is carrying the brunt of a naval assault into the Med, while
Austria-Hungary is attacking Russia's inland centers, then it is likely
that Greece will be more useful in Turkish hands.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
>In any case, I assure you I would never have brought
>anything that would have set off a metal detector.
Well, the German officials helmets, you know the ones
with the spikey points on them, set off the alarms. Even
after they rooms the caps, the plates in their ends still
set off the darn things. Sigh, technology brings more
problems than it is worth some times.
I am glad that you have not been running into the "top
seed dangerous issue". Perhaps it is only France that
gets it. Or maybe, you have just not snuffed it out.
Beware! :-0 OK, maybe I am just more paranoid than you.
But I did like your interpretation of my statements.
Let's just wipe them out. It was not exactly what I
meant, but I like it just the same. The only problem is
that you are over there, and I am over here. Perhaps it
is a good long term goal however.
It is interesting that Austria wants you to send your
fleets towards Italy. Perhaps that means that Italy is
headed my way, at least Austria thinks so. Well, I am
all for you moving fleets out into the open waters. It
will get Italy's attention at least. Perhaps it is a
good idea to be on Russia's good side?
I am not trying to sick Italy on you. I am merely trying
to negotiate neutrality. I really do not care if he
attacks Austria or you. Although it would hamper our
long term goal of a FT two-way if he attacked you. I
trust that you can effectively manipulate the situation
in your favor.
Finally, what is happening the west? Well, everyone is
being real coy and cautious. I do not expect anything
dramatic to happen early. I think that people are
nervous about the competition and do not want to make a
stupide mistake, like attacking Russia when he was siding
with you, but Austria attack you. Simply substitute
England, Germany, and France for Austria, Turkey, and
Russia (in any arrangement) and you get the same thing.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
Major thunderstorm fried my modem. The replacement is working, finally,
but it's late, and I'm annoyed, so I'll try to contact everyone tomorrow.
Russia.
Message from Germany to all
It's that one two punch. Or is that a one-a and a two-a?
Zabel will win more stages and the green jersey. In the mountains we
have Ullrich. Can Team Telekom be stopped? Time will tell.
> I thought that the TdF was a long haul race and not one
> for sprinters. But it looks like a sprinter is stealing
> the show for now. Can Zabel avoid the early leader
> syndrom and not have all the other powers conspiring to
> beat him down! Emperor Frederick best watch out. This
> may work against him :-)
>
> This gives 10 more points to Germany and likely sets him
> up for 20 more points for the Green Jersey.
Message from Russia to Turkey
> Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>
> Thank you for your reply. Sorry for the delay in my response; I've had
> trouble with my communications apparatus.
It seems to be spreading... 8-(
> That could work. Offhand my concern would be that I'd need to defend both
> home centers this fall, meaning my fleet couldn't get out to Aeg, which is
> one of the compelling arguments in favor of Ank-Con.
I do agree that the Slingshot greatly increases your security, and as long
as I build Armies and you build Fleets, the stab potential between us is
minimized. The only real advantages of the Turkish Attack/Hedgehog are
that no-one is going to suspect we're allied, and it gets your Fleet to the
Aegean in F1901, short-circuiting the Lepanto. This does assume that you
trust me enough to move Con-Aeg with my Fleet in Bla, but given that
A Arm, A Bul, A Ser, and F Con could cooperate to take Rum in F'01,
that trust question really goes both ways.
> I think a Turkish landing in Rum would only be temporary, as Rum must
> clearly be a Russian centre in the long term.
Actually, if we want to extend the Juggeraut to its natural conclusion, the
Balkans, Austria, Italy, Tun, Mar and Iberia would be yours, while Germany,
Scandinavia, Engand, the Low Countries, Par and Bre would be mine, but
Rum and Por are flexible.
> Hm, I don't think I'm following you here. A western triple would imply
F/I
> conflict, which would be welcome.
Welcome for you, certainly, but I'd find myself facing EG in Scandinavia,
something I'm hoping to avoid. 8-)
> I don't agree that RT favors Russia over Turkey,
I don't either, actually, but most of the articles seem to think so. It is
certainly possible for Russia to demand large chucks of Austria, and
choke off Turkey growth/expansion path, but it seems rather pointless
to try to arrange an RT and then do that.
> It seems at present that neither of us is comfortable with the other
> controlling the Black in the opening move. I will consider your
> proposal in greater depth when I am able, but it makes me a
> bit uncomfortable. If we cannot come to some such agreement,
> do you favor a bounce in Bla or DMZ there?
I'm not ruling out the Slingshot. I thought you were looking for a
way to conceal the RT, and didn't feel the Slingshot would do so,
and offered an alternative that would.
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
> I do agree that the Slingshot greatly increases your security, and as long
> as I build Armies and you build Fleets, the stab potential between us is
> minimized. The only real advantages of the Turkish Attack/Hedgehog are
> that no-one is going to suspect we're allied, and it gets your Fleet to
the
> Aegean in F1901, short-circuiting the Lepanto. This does assume that you
> trust me enough to move Con-Aeg with my Fleet in Bla, but given that
> A Arm, A Bul, A Ser, and F Con could cooperate to take Rum in F'01,
> that trust question really goes both ways.
Yes, I realize that any such "exotic" opening will likely involve some
amount of trust on both sides. One thing that you didn't address was what
ultimately becomes of your southern fleet. Are you reluctant to lose it?
Please let me know your feelings on the matter; as I said, it's one of the
reasons the slingshot appeals to me so much.
> Actually, if we want to extend the Juggeraut to its natural conclusion,
the
> Balkans, Austria, Italy, Tun, Mar and Iberia would be yours, while
Germany,
> Scandinavia, Engand, the Low Countries, Par and Bre would be mine, but
> Rum and Por are flexible.
I suppose this is true, in the long run. To be honest I hadn't thought that
far ahead. I do think that in the near term, at least, it's not realistic
for me to own Rum since it borders a Russian home center. But of course,
we'll have a fair bit of flexibility going forward, and we can certainly
trade centers to keep an even balance.
> Welcome for you, certainly, but I'd find myself facing EG in Scandinavia,
> something I'm hoping to avoid. 8-)
Yes, true story. For what it's worth, France seems to be quite concerned
that his border with Italy is peaceful. This probably means he's planning
to attack either E or G, which would certainly take pressure off
Scandinavia. And, as I mentioned, if an EF turns up it'll be good news all
around.
> I don't either, actually, but most of the articles seem to think so. It
is
> certainly possible for Russia to demand large chucks of Austria, and
> choke off Turkey growth/expansion path, but it seems rather pointless
> to try to arrange an RT and then do that.
Actually, I see you owning all of Austria save Trieste. As you know, I
foresee Russian strength in the center, and my expansion route would mainly
be through sea lanes.
> I'm not ruling out the Slingshot. I thought you were looking for a
> way to conceal the RT, and didn't feel the Slingshot would do so,
> and offered an alternative that would.
I'm not necessarily that worried about hiding the RT. My main interests are
in finding a solution for the southern Russian fleet, and building an overt
RT. The slingshot becomes a different strategic move once you assume it
will be recognized. The fact that it will likely be recognized probably
gives Russia a bit more security, since an apparent RT pretty well rules out
any Turkish alliances with Austria or Italy.
In any case it isn't the only choice. I'm still curious about how you feel
about losing the southern fleet, or what you foresee doing with it if it
isn't converted to an army. Also, what are your feelings on whether to come
out in the open or try to hide our alliance? You seem to be favoring
"hide"... is this true?
Looking forward to your reply,
Ali Baba
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 3 Results:
Official Report:
Former UCI #1 rider Laurent Jalabert (CSC), proved to be
too strong for breakaway partner Ludo Dierckxens (Lampre)
as he took the two-man sprint to win the 215-kilometer
fourth stage of the 2001 Tour de France from Huy to
Verdun.
Aussie Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) managed to keep his the
yellow leader's jersey that he won yesterday, despite a
number of serious breakaways thoughout the day. Defending
champ Lance Armstrong (USPS) stayed clear of trouble and
is still in a good position to vie for a third
consecutive win.
Prince Boar's commentary:
I wonder why they keep talking about Lance And Jan
Ullrich as favorites when they cannot manage to even
break into the top 5. Perhaps when the road gets tough
in the Pyrenees. It is clear that Moreau of Team Festina
is the true favorite! :-)
Atleast a new great power gather some points as the
Turks' team, CSC takes the stage! Congratulations to Ali
Baba.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 10 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 19-hours 32-minutes 49-seconds
3. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :23
5. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :26
7. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :27
8. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :30
9. Florent Brard (FES) @ :30
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Turkey
Oh you're NOT going to tell me your exact alliances? Ok, I'll guess.
No I didn't really expect you to have your alliances nailed down yet, or
to tell me if you did.
I'm in the same boat. Talking a lot, not saying much. Both France and
England communicate well. Russia less so. For instance, I had to prod
him twice to get anything out of him on what he would build if I let him
into Sweden. I guess he's keeping all his options open.
Naturally if I do let him in, he'll have told me that he'll either will
use the build in your neck of the woods, or against England. Again
this is not news.
Anybody making any sounds about doing the unexpected and moving toward
TYR, BOH, SIL, PRU?
Your friend
Frederick CIXV
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
> One thing that you didn't address was what ultimately becomes of your
> southern fleet. Are you reluctant to lose it
Ummm, as far as I know, the Attack/Hedgehog combo has never been
tried as a Juggernaut cover, so I'm making this up as I go along. 8-) I
suppose the most logical thing to do with F Sev would be to send it to
Con in S'02 or S'03, and then into the Med for a speed run to the Atlantic,
or to have it act as a virtual-proxy to you, and support your expansion into
the Med. I'm not reluctant to trade F Sev in for A War or F StP/NC, but
I am a little concerned about announcing the Juggernaut in S1901M thru
F Sev - Arm. That's likely to result in a Lepanto in the Med, Germany
bouncing me out of Swe in F'01, and early EG pressure on StP. We
could easily find ourselves bogged down trying to eliminate Austria and
get you into Ion while the West resolves itself. Please don't misunderstand
me, though, I'm NOT saying, 'It's my way or the highway!', or that I refuse
to consider the Slingshot. I'm just offering what I think would be a good
alternative, since it obscures the Juggernaut.
> Actually, I see you owning all of Austria save Trieste. As you know, I
> foresee Russian strength in the center, and my expansion route would
> mainly be through sea lanes.
Initially that almost certainly the way it will be true, but if we
eliminate
A, and I start to expand into Germany and Scandinavia, we will probably
have to shift Austrian Centres to you since there are 8 Centres in G/Scan,
and only 4 in Italy.
> The slingshot becomes a different strategic move once you assume it
> will be recognized.
You don't think it's likely to result in a Lepanto and pressure on StP?
> what are your feelings on whether to come out in the open or try to
> hide our alliance? You seem to be favoring "hide"... is this true?
That seems to be the side I'm coming down on, yes. I think the
Slingshot would eliminate any chance I have of getting Swe, and greatly
increase the likelihood of early pressure on StP; while forcing us to deal
with a solid AI and a Lepanto. Do you see it otherwise?
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Turkey
Dearest Ali,
Assumimg all remains well with your young regime, I am pleased that we
can work together.
There is some hope that Russia will indeed use a northern opening. If
he does, I think we can have him crippled quickly enough that help from
Italy will not be in time to save him.
Assuming you still feel this is the best way to proceed, I will be happy
to work with you for the forseeable future.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria, England, France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey
My sincere apologies for less than punctual in returning press. Real life
as gotten the best of me the last couple of days. Don't feel 'special' that
you haven't heard from me the last couple of days - I've 'ignored' each of
you equally.
I promise first thing tomorrow morning (Friday) to send a message to all.
Once again, my apologies.
Life is Beautiful (except when it interferes with my Diplomacy),
Roberto
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 5 Results:
The fifth stage of the Tour de France is a team trial
stage. Each member of the team gets assigned the time of
the slowest member. The teams therefore ride together
and try to help each other. In most trials so far, the
difference between first and second place has been 0-3
seconds. In this stage Team Credit Agricole finished
almost a half a minute faster than the next team and
almost a minute ahead the the next. The fourth team,
USPS, was almost a minute and a half behind.
This is quite an accomplishment for Credit Agricole since
they were not expected to contend. They must have been
inspired by the fact that one of their team mates is
wearing the Yellow Jersey. O'Grady should hold that lead
for a while, perhaps until the Mountain stages.
NO one gets any points. But at least it is a French team
with the lead. Too bad it is not the one that is riding
for me (Festina).
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 20 hours, 54 minutes 21 seconds
4. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @ :57
8. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 1:17
15. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ 1:53
19. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 2:20
24. Michael Boogerd (RAB) @ 2:47
Message from Germany to all
I will be away this weekend. So my next message to anyone will be on
Monday.
This will give you all a good opportunity to blame everything on me.
Sorry, but my schedule calls for me having way too much fun this
weekend.
Frederick XCMXXMVVIII the 3rd
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
Have you managed to recover from your absence. It is
always a bad time to not communicate, the beginning of
the game. With Italy not around for a while, that gave
Russia and Austria a lot of time to talk to each other.
I am sure that you can talk your way back into the mix.
May Allah smile on you and your camel always spit down
wind (especially when you are riding it).
-- Prince Boar
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
> Have you managed to recover from your absence. It is
> always a bad time to not communicate, the beginning of
> the game. With Italy not around for a while, that gave
> Russia and Austria a lot of time to talk to each other.
> I am sure that you can talk your way back into the mix.
Ah, the fox is in the henhouse now. I have been communicating with Russia
and Austria, and rather thought I was in the mix. What have you heard?
> May Allah smile on you and your camel always spit down
> wind (especially when you are riding it).
Likewise, I'm sure. Except the bit about the camel. You don't have camels
in France, do you?
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
How are things going on your end? I hope you've had a chance to give
consideration to IT alliance. As time progresses, I myself am favoring it
more and more. Here is what I've seen since we last spoke.
Austria proposes that I join him against Russia, then build fleets to come
after you. I'm not altogether sure he's sincere, though, or else perhaps he
doesn't believe I'll move anti-Russian. Meanwhile, my discussions with
Russia concerning the Black Sea and the ultimate status of his southern
fleet have been unproductive.
In the West, Germany is simply being coy, and England hasn't written at all
lately. France, for his part, is mostly concerned that I not urge you in
his direction. My guess is that he'll concern himself within the Western
Triangle, and probably won't give you any trouble... although of course
that's just a guess.
In any case, I'd like to extend an official invitation to form an active IT
alliance. If you're willing to give it a shot, I can assure you, you'll
find me a quite worthy ally. My gut reaction to our dialogue so far is that
we ought to be able to get along well; I think we see many things from the
same perspective.
If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed. I see two
scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR joint effort
against Austria. As soon as Austria and Russia are fighting, probably
spring or fall of '02, I attack Russia. The hope is that A/R conflict will
make it difficult for them to join forces, and coordinated IT efforts should
be quite effective. This would mean I'd go along with Russia in the
opening, probably bouncing him in Bla and moving Smy-Con.
The other scenario is that I could go along with Austria at first, opening
blatantly anti-Russian, probably Ank-Bla, Smy-Arm. Austria has speculated
that you might be happy to remain neutral at first, though in truth I
suspect he's urging you against me. Anyway, assuming Austria did attack
Russia, that would leave him open to attack from Italy. I would then join
you against him, and again hopefully A/R conflict would give us an easier
time of it.
France has implied that there may be an AR alliance brewing, perhaps due to
untimely silence on both your part and mine. My impression was that he was
fishing, but of course an AR alliance wouldn't be good for either of us.
I may be risking a bit by revealing this much to you, but if we form an
alliance as I hope, then I believe we should combine our efforts in
intelligence as well as combat. I hope that you will consider my invitation
to alliance, and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest
convenience.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Austria
My Dearest Tamara,
Sorry I haven't written lately. I hope that you're being on the level about
anti-Russian campaigns; I've heard rumors that an AR alliance may be in the
works. I think that joint AT action against Russia would be very beneficial
to us both, and I think that in the long run your interests and Russia's are
sure to collide, so I hope that you haven't changed your mind.
Unfortunately, Germany is being very coy about his intentions, and England
hasn't written at all lately. Do you know if Germany is planning to contest
Sweden this year? Any indication of what's going on in the west?
In any case, I'd like to discuss the details of our joint campaign in
greater detail. Are you willing to open to Galicia? If you did, and I
opened to Armenia, it would put Russia in a tight spot.
Also, I'm curious to hear where the rumor of a northern Russian opening came
from. Russia has not indicated to me what he intends, but I rather got the
impression he was more concerned about the south.
Anyway, we have much to discuss. I look forward to hearing from you at your
earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
With the deadline approaching, it's starting to look like we're at a bit of
an impass regarding the opening. You're not comfortable with the Slingshot,
and I'm not really comfortable with the Southern Attack/Hedgehog plan.
Since the deadline is tomorrow, perhaps we should agree to a DMZ or a
bounce? I apologize for my hesitancy... I guess I haven't really ruled out
the Hedgehog plan either, but it still makes me a bit nervous.
In any case, I think it's important that we come up with some kind of
agreement before the deadline. Our relations will go much more smoothly if
we each know what to expect from the other. At present my orders are
Con-Bul, Ank-Con, Smy-Ank, for lack of anything better to do.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Frederick,
> Oh you're NOT going to tell me your exact alliances? Ok, I'll guess.
> No I didn't really expect you to have your alliances nailed down yet, or
> to tell me if you did.
Indeed, they have not yet been nailed down. I must confess to some anxiety
regarding the matter. I may just have to see which of my neighbors go to
war before deciding. Hopefully they won't all just come after me.
> I'm in the same boat. Talking a lot, not saying much. Both France and
> England communicate well. Russia less so. For instance, I had to prod
> him twice to get anything out of him on what he would build if I let him
> into Sweden. I guess he's keeping all his options open.
> Naturally if I do let him in, he'll have told me that he'll either will
> use the build in your neck of the woods, or against England. Again
> this is not news.
Interesting. I take it then that you're planning to at least have the
option in the fall? Austria has been urging me to join him in an early
anti-Russian offensive, but I'm not yet convinced he's on the level. I've
also heard rumors (though only rumors) of AR cooperation. What is your
impression of the Austrian?
> Anybody making any sounds about doing the unexpected and moving toward
> TYR, BOH, SIL, PRU?
Not a peep. I still have no idea what any of my neighbors is planning.
However, I must say I'll be surprised if anyone moves to any of those
provinces.
And I'm not just being coy... I really don't know what this first move will
look like. Everyone seems to be playing their cards quite close to the vest
so far. Either that, or I'm being kept in the dark more than I realize.
Kind regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
How are things going in the north? Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope
all is well on your end.
I must say, with the deadline fast approaching I still have few clues what
to expect. I will say that my negotiations with Russia have been
unproductive, though we may still work something out before the deadline.
Austria is urging me to join him in an anti-Russian campaign. Naturally I'm
curious about any potential English and German participation in such a plan,
but the German is being coy. He's hinted there's a possibility he may let
Russia into Sweden this year, although my impression is that's not been
decided yet. What are your thoughts on the subject?
In any case, I hope we won't lose touch. I look forward to hearing from you
when you get the chance.
Ali Baba
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
I haven't had much contact with A or I. Italy appears to be busy with
the good life. Austria, I don't know.
Just some friendly conversations about Tyrolia. I'm hoping that we
don't see anyone there, also.
Well I'm worthless for your benefit. Hopefully that will change as the
game moves on.
Freddy
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
I'm sorry, it just dawned on me that I didn't answer your question! The
reason I'm not as concerned about the Leponto is that I had hoped I could
portray my actions to AI as being genuinely anti-Russian, even if the
slingshot were recognized. Austria has been urging me to join him against
you, and I've been trying to win Italy's good graces (for reasons I'm sure
you can understand), so that notion may not be entirely far-fetched.
I also figured you could immediately claim that you regretted the decision
to go along with the sling, that you don't feel you can trust me after all,
and so on. Anyway, if we can give AI the impression that they can play us
off against each other, they should be unprepared for our attack... even if
they're planning an attack of their own.
Also, I should make clear that I didn't mean to imply that a rebuilt army
should be in the north. An army build in Sev can also be quite effective,
if you prefer to focus on the south at first. Germany has hinted to me that
he'll let you into Sweden if you tell him what he wants to hear regarding
what you'll build as a result. And France seems to want peaceful borders
with Italy, implying he'll be giving either England or Germany some trouble.
Anyway, I'll repeat what you said: I'm not trying to ram my proposals down
your throat. We have many options, but I did want to make sure I addressed
the concerns you rased in your press.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Dear Freddy,
Thanks for your quick reply!
> I haven't had much contact with A or I. Italy appears to be busy with
> the good life. Austria, I don't know.
> Just some friendly conversations about Tyrolia. I'm hoping that we
> don't see anyone there, also.
I see. Wish I had more to tell ya. I'll certainly write if I learn
anything along those lines.
> Well I'm worthless for your benefit. Hopefully that will change as the
> game moves on.
Not entirely worthless I'd say. Any chance you might shed some light on
your thoughts regarding Sweden? If an anti-Russian campaign were launched,
would you be in a position to join juch an effort? Or is it too early to
tell?
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
>Likewise, I'm sure. Except the bit about the camel.
>You don't have camels in France, do you?
But of course not. We ride our bikes everywhere. That
is why we are such good racers.
Glad to hear things are going well. I hope that you and
Russia were able to work things out concerning the Black
Sea. A bounce is always so safe, but moving to
Constantinople is so much strong. Either one is fine as
long as you and Russia see eye-to-eye.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
What a lucky day to have our first deadline! My
astrologer says that it will be a good day for me. I
just do not know why he was sweating so much, the air
conditioning was on? At any rate, I am sending you all a
four-leaf clover, just to cover your fate. I have
millions of clover in my yard, it should not be hard to
find a few with four leaves.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Turkey
Good Ali,
>How are things going in the north? Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope
>all is well on your end.
Yeah. I hope so too.
I do not know how the EFG triangle will resolve itself and do not expect to
know after the moves. I believe I know the exact German and French moves,
and they are entirely conventional and flexible.
>Austria is urging me to join him in an anti-Russian campaign. Naturally I'm
>curious about any potential English and German participation in such a plan,
>but the German is being coy.
I know of no plans by Germany to hinder Russia, and I will tell you that I
have no intention of troubling Russia anytime soon. Of course, if Russia
were in a state of decline it would only be natural for Germany to eye
Sweden and for me to eye StP.
>He's hinted there's a possibility he may let
>Russia into Sweden this year, although my impression is that's not been
>decided yet. What are your thoughts on the subject?
I think it is still conventional for Germany to permit Russia to enter
Sweden and more radical to bounce him out of Sweden. Given the caution
that I perceive in Germany, I would be surprised if he does bounce Russia.
But then, I get surprised a lot in this business.
Also, I suspect that Italy will do the usual, i.e. work somehow to the
east, but I don't know who (whom?) he prefers over there.
Ivy
Message from Master to all
Moves are due tonight, everyone. Some have 'wait' set, which is perfectly
fine. But if someone has failed to submit orders after ten days of
negotiation, I'm going to be upset . . .
Also, the following deadlines will be at 48hr intervals, not landing on
weekends. So this game is destined to pick up speed.
Doug
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
If an anti-Russian campaign were to be launched, I'd seriously consider
jumping in.
I can say that I am moving to Denmark this turn. That's not really an
anti-Russia move. But I do want to be in position in case something
comes up. More importantly I want to rule out the possibility that
England bounces me out of Denmark in the fall. Even more importantly,
NOT going to Denmark would set me up to have a chance to build three. I
don't want to start that way.
Freddi
> Not entirely worthless I'd say. Any chance you might shed some light on
> your thoughts regarding Sweden? If an anti-Russian campaign were launched,
> would you be in a position to join juch an effort? Or is it too early to
> tell?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Turkey
My Dearest Ali,
> Sorry I haven't written lately. I hope that you're being on the level
> about anti-Russian campaigns; I've heard rumors that an AR alliance
> may be in the works. I think that joint AT action against Russia
> would be very beneficial to us both, and I think that in the long run
> your interests and Russia's are sure to collide, so I hope that you
> haven't changed your mind.
In the long run, all our interests are sure to collide. But at present,
I like your appraoch better than Russia's, and will choose to ally with
you as long as that seems a reasonable approach.
There are some reasons for that that lie outside this game. I tend to
prefer unconventional alliances and approaches. While I can justify
this within the game by claiming that unexpected alliances are more
likely to succeed just because they aren't as easily recognized and
countered by the other players, I also am attracted to what in poker is
disparagingly referred to as "Fancy Play Syndrome" - taking the course
more likely to win oohs and ahs from the (usually imaginary) gallery
rather than the straightforward approach most likely to get the money.
In Diplomacy, I can exercise my Fancy Play tendencies withoutt costing
myself real money; and besides, this game at least does presumably have
a gallery.
I have held from time to time that AT is a reasonable alliance, and will
welcome the chance to demonstrate it in this game.
> Unfortunately, Germany is being very coy about his intentions, and
> England hasn't written at all lately. Do you know if Germany is
> planning to contest Sweden this year? Any indication of what's going
> on in the west?
I've heard rather little from Germany directly, but what I've heard
indirectly strongly suggests that Germany will open to Kiel to at least
preserve the option of bouncing Russia in Sweden - which is of course
good for us. I also get the impression that France feels he is likely
to be the odd power out in the west, and was soliciting Russia to open
northern, to rebalance the situation some.
> In any case, I'd like to discuss the details of our joint campaign in
> greater detail. Are you willing to open to Galicia? If you did, and
> I opened to Armenia, it would put Russia in a tight spot.
It would indeed. But right now I'm nervous about a rumor of IA Ven-Tri,
and am strongly considering Vie-Tri to protect. I realize this weakens
our assault on Russia, but it would be irretrievably damaged if Vie-Tri
were to succeed, and only delayed by my precautions otherwise.
I'll also try to justify it on appearance grounds: if we both openly
move strongly against Russia in the spring, we can expect Germany not to
bounce Sweden in the fall; it's certainly not in his interest for an AT
alliance to succeed quickly, if at all.
Just to be clear, I would be delighted to see Smy-Arm and Ank-Bla, and
would support Bul-Rum or Bla-Rum in the fall if the opportunity arises.
If Germany also bounces Swe, that would leave Russia with no builds, to
be crippled in 1902 and eliminated in 1903.
> Also, I'm curious to hear where the rumor of a northern Russian
> opening came from. Russia has not indicated to me what he intends,
> but I rather got the impression he was more concerned about the south.
Perhaps France was being optimistic, or intentionally misleading me
while retaining deniability. I don't think it's something we can base
our plans on, but i do consider what the board would look like if he did
move that way while we moved as we've been planning.
> Anyway, we have much to discuss. I look forward to hearing from you
> at your earliest convenience.
I will only be online another hour, and will submit tentative orders by
the end of that time. While I hope to get on again before the deadline,
that's highly uncertain. Family vacation, and they consider Diplomacy
antisocial!
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
Many thanks for your reply. I am greatly encouraged.
> In the long run, all our interests are sure to collide. But at present,
> I like your appraoch better than Russia's, and will choose to ally with
> you as long as that seems a reasonable approach.
Thank you. As the game goes forward, I'm confident you'll find me a worthy
ally. I also enjoy using less conventional approaches, and I think we're
going to get along well.
> I've heard rather little from Germany directly, but what I've heard
> indirectly strongly suggests that Germany will open to Kiel to at least
> preserve the option of bouncing Russia in Sweden - which is of course
> good for us. I also get the impression that France feels he is likely
> to be the odd power out in the west, and was soliciting Russia to open
> northern, to rebalance the situation some.
That matches what little I've heard. England says he's expecting
conventional, flexible openings from Germany and France, and Germany is
likely to open to Denmark. Germany did tell me that he would "seriously
consider" joining an anti-Russian campaign, and England also implied he'd be
interested in StP if Russia were in decline.
> It would indeed. But right now I'm nervous about a rumor of IA Ven-Tri,
> and am strongly considering Vie-Tri to protect. I realize this weakens
> our assault on Russia, but it would be irretrievably damaged if Vie-Tri
> were to succeed, and only delayed by my precautions otherwise.
Understood. For what it's worth, I've tried to remain on cordial terms with
Italy, so as to keep him off my back while I'm occupied in the east. He
certainly never mentioned any plan to attack you, and I would think he would
have said something to either me or Russia. Russia is telling me to watch
out for a Leponto; so if your "rumor" comes from the Russian, then he's
clearly telling us each a different tale. If not, then you certainly have a
valid concern.
> I'll also try to justify it on appearance grounds: if we both openly
> move strongly against Russia in the spring, we can expect Germany not to
> bounce Sweden in the fall; it's certainly not in his interest for an AT
> alliance to succeed quickly, if at all.
See above, Germany did indicate some interest in an anti-Russian campaign.
Of course, whether or not he would carry through is another question. But
Germany would probably benefit in the long run from Russia's demise, so it's
not far-fetched.
> Just to be clear, I would be delighted to see Smy-Arm and Ank-Bla, and
> would support Bul-Rum or Bla-Rum in the fall if the opportunity arises.
> If Germany also bounces Swe, that would leave Russia with no builds, to
> be crippled in 1902 and eliminated in 1903.
I'm not really comfortable opening to Arm if you're not moving to Gal. In
that case, I will just move Smy-Con. I'd rather not be the only one
sticking my neck out, if you know what I mean. If you change your mind, let
me know and I'll attack Arm.
> Perhaps France was being optimistic, or intentionally misleading me
> while retaining deniability. I don't think it's something we can base
> our plans on, but i do consider what the board would look like if he did
> move that way while we moved as we've been planning.
Indeed, a northern Russian opening would be much to our advantage. I'm
confident we could prevail either way, but I must say I applaud France's
efforts.
> I will only be online another hour, and will submit tentative orders by
> the end of that time. While I hope to get on again before the deadline,
> that's highly uncertain. Family vacation, and they consider Diplomacy
> antisocial!
Hope you get this in time to fire off a reply. Best of luck in the result!
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Austria proposes that I join him against Russia, then build
> fleets to come after you. I'm not altogether sure he's sincere,
>
This is not surprising. The Archduke has proposed to me a joint attack
against your fair nation, then I'd head west and he'd go against Russia.
I'm sure he's in consultation with Russia proposing attacking you and the
he'd attack me while Russia went towards Scandanavia. His hope is that
he'll cause enough confusion amongst us that he'll have his choice of
expansion paths. Can't say I wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
> Meanwhile, my discussions with
> Russia concerning the Black Sea and the ultimate status of
> his southern fleet have been unproductive.
>
I'm sorry to hear that. Why can't we all just get along? :)
Seriously, the Black Sea is a critical body of water for both Russia and
Turkey and I can certainly understand why neither of you would want to
relinquinsh control. Typically though, the Russian fleet is involved in
acquiring Rumania in the fall so often times Turkey can sneak Ank into the
Black Sea then.
Any idea whether Germany is planning on bouncing Russia in Sweden? Without
a second build, Russia would be hard-pressed to build a second southern
fleet to challenge your superiority in the Black Sea region.
> In the West, Germany is simply being coy,
>
Oh, cancel that last question. :) Germany hasn't tipped his hand to me
either. I suspect nobody knows but him.
> and England hasn't written at all lately.
I just keep getting, "I'll move to the Channel if you agree to move to
Piedmont". My gut tells me Ivy isn't sincere and would't move to the
Channel even if I agreed. I could test him by agreeing but then I look bad
for agreeing to something and not following thru.
> France, for his part, is mostly concerned that I not
> urge you in his direction. My guess is that he'll concern himself within
> the Western Triangle, and probably won't give you any trouble... although
> of course that's just a guess.
>
That's my take as well. I think France wants his Iberian builds without
causing any trouble and then decide his course of action. He may very well
move my direction but I doubt it would take too much to convince EG to
distract him were that the case. That does bring up a point though
regarding any attack we may be making in the Balkans. I don't want EG
rolling over France so I must be prepared to send a unit or two west to help
France if he so requests it. I'm not necessarily expecting that to happen,
I just wanted to make sure you understand that I will not sacrifice
long-term goals for short-term gain. If you've played any chess, you'll
understand the analogy that you don't take a pawn if it means your king will
ultimately be exposed. Of course, having my units already west at an
opportune moment wouldn't be bad either. :)
> In any case, I'd like to extend an official invitation to
> form an active IT alliance.
>
> If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed.
> I see two scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR
> joint effort against Austria.
>
This is obviously the easiest for me to agree to since I really can't
participate in an AIT attack on Russia. But, back to my chess analogy, I
don't want RT running mad either so the dissection of Austria would have to
provide me with a viable defensive position and a clear indication that a
Juggernaut was not forming (Turkish army builds would be clear enough).
Even Russia being sufficiently distracted in the north by E/G would probably
tip the scale enough for me to completely agree to ITR vs A.
>
> The other scenario is that I could go along with Austria at
> first, opening blatantly anti-Russian, probably Ank-Bla, Smy-Arm.
> Austria has speculated that you might be happy to remain neutral
> at first, though in truth I suspect he's urging you against me.
>
Well, I'm not going to even suggest that you open blatantly anti-Russian and
lose a potential ally. Do you really have that much faith in the Austrian
that he'll follow thru with his end of the bargain? If it works, you're in
like a cat on a rainy night, but if it fails, you can kiss your vgfp trophy
goodbye.
What is in common here though is that there must be A/R conflict. It's very
difficult for Austria and Russia to avoid the inevitable so we may just want
to let nature take her course and then strike at the appropriate time.
Starting in Gre/Tri and working northward into Ser/Rum/Sev would seem
logical. The goal would be an Austrian elimination and not a total Russian
elimination unless his presence wasn't needed in Scandanavia. The trick
comes in getting your armies to Prussia while my fleets reach the MAO. We
can cross that bridge later.
>
> France has implied that there may be an AR alliance brewing,
> perhaps due to untimely silence on both your part and mine.
> My impression was that he was fishing, but of course an AR
> alliance wouldn't be good for either of us.
>
An AR arrangement is fairly easy to spot. Galicia in Spring '01 will tell
us a lot. Let's see what happens there and then revisit the French hunch.
> and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
>
My apologies again for my delayed response and whatever inconvenience this
may have caused you.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Thanks for your reply. Good to hear from you.
> This is not surprising. The Archduke has proposed to me a joint attack
> against your fair nation, then I'd head west and he'd go against Russia.
> I'm sure he's in consultation with Russia proposing attacking you and the
> he'd attack me while Russia went towards Scandanavia. His hope is that
> he'll cause enough confusion amongst us that he'll have his choice of
> expansion paths. Can't say I wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
Indeed. Unfortunately too many different stories usually backfires in the
long run. Austria will have to choose sides sooner or later.
> Seriously, the Black Sea is a critical body of water for both Russia and
> Turkey and I can certainly understand why neither of you would want to
> relinquinsh control. Typically though, the Russian fleet is involved in
> acquiring Rumania in the fall so often times Turkey can sneak Ank into the
> Black Sea then.
That's my current plan.
> Any idea whether Germany is planning on bouncing Russia in Sweden?
Without
> a second build, Russia would be hard-pressed to build a second southern
> fleet to challenge your superiority in the Black Sea region.
The consensus seems to be that Germany will indeed open to Denmark, though
whether or not he will contest Sweden remains to be seen. I don't think
Germany wants trouble with Russia, per se, but he did express some interest
in joining an AT effort against the Bear. Austria has also promised to
support me into Rumania at the first chance, but I'm taking it with a huge
grain of salt so to speak.
> I just keep getting, "I'll move to the Channel if you agree to move to
> Piedmont". My gut tells me Ivy isn't sincere and would't move to the
> Channel even if I agreed. I could test him by agreeing but then I look
bad
> for agreeing to something and not following thru.
England says he's expecting conventional, neutral openings in the West.
This matches what I've heard from others as well. In fact, it's starting to
look like everyone on the board will open quite conservatively, myself
included.
> That's my take as well. I think France wants his Iberian builds without
> causing any trouble and then decide his course of action. He may very
well
> move my direction but I doubt it would take too much to convince EG to
> distract him were that the case. That does bring up a point though
> regarding any attack we may be making in the Balkans. I don't want EG
> rolling over France so I must be prepared to send a unit or two west to
help
> France if he so requests it. I'm not necessarily expecting that to
happen,
> I just wanted to make sure you understand that I will not sacrifice
> long-term goals for short-term gain.
Absolutely, of course. One must always be looking ahead, and short-term
tactics need to be driven by those long-range plans, not the other way
around.
> > If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed.
> > I see two scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR
> > joint effort against Austria.
>
> This is obviously the easiest for me to agree to since I really can't
> participate in an AIT attack on Russia. But, back to my chess analogy, I
> don't want RT running mad either so the dissection of Austria would have
to
> provide me with a viable defensive position and a clear indication that a
> Juggernaut was not forming (Turkish army builds would be clear enough).
> Even Russia being sufficiently distracted in the north by E/G would
probably
> tip the scale enough for me to completely agree to ITR vs A.
Rumor has it that France has been trying to get Russia to open to the north.
Russia has expressed some concern about EG causing him problems in
Scandinavia and STP, so that may fit. As long as you and I remain on good
terms, I'm certainly not opposed to building an army this year. Such a
build would be sure to be unwelcome in both Austria and Russia, of course,
so I'm banking a lot on our developing relations. I might be able to sell
it to Austria as being anti-Russian.
> Well, I'm not going to even suggest that you open blatantly anti-Russian
and
> lose a potential ally. Do you really have that much faith in the Austrian
> that he'll follow thru with his end of the bargain? If it works, you're
in
> like a cat on a rainy night, but if it fails, you can kiss your vgfp
trophy
> goodbye.
Heh. I'm just looking to survive here, I don't have my eyes on any trophy.
My expectation is that it'll be difficult to end up the board leader, let
alone solo, in this game. Especially as Turkey. If I can survive to share
a draw, I'll consider it a feather in my cap.
In any case, I proposed to Austria that I would move to Arm if he attacked
Gal. He declined, citing some rumor that you were planning to attack
Trieste. He said his plan is to order Vie-Tri to counter such an attack.
> What is in common here though is that there must be A/R conflict. It's
very
> difficult for Austria and Russia to avoid the inevitable so we may just
want
> to let nature take her course and then strike at the appropriate time.
> Starting in Gre/Tri and working northward into Ser/Rum/Sev would seem
> logical. The goal would be an Austrian elimination and not a total
Russian
> elimination unless his presence wasn't needed in Scandanavia. The trick
> comes in getting your armies to Prussia while my fleets reach the MAO. We
> can cross that bridge later.
Indeed. Unfortunately it'll be difficult for me to ride the fence for long
if I'm building armies. But we'll be able to better guage the timing of
coordinated efforts once the game is actually under way.
> An AR arrangement is fairly easy to spot. Galicia in Spring '01 will tell
> us a lot. Let's see what happens there and then revisit the French hunch.
See above. I'm not expecting an Austrian move to Gal.
> My apologies again for my delayed response and whatever inconvenience this
> may have caused you.
No inconvenience at all. In any case it was good to hear from you, and I
look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Albania
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
England: Army Liverpool → Yorkshire
England: Fleet London → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Picardy
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Rome → Apulia
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Moscow → St Petersburg
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Gulf of Bothnia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Constantinople
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