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Germany: Builds 1 unit
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
Gee, I'd hate to see your reaction if I were to suggest putting one of
my armies next to one of your home centers. Because you seemed to get
completely bent out of shape because I suggested that you move your army
away from my home center.
How about this? You move out of TYR and I'll move in. But don't worry
I'll send lots of press saying that Venice is safe from me. "It will be
my belief that we can coexist peacefully with me in TYR" Why do I think
that you wouldn't like that????? But for some reason you think it's
insulting for me to not want an Italian army on my border. I'll call
bull on that one. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
It's my personal hope that we can be allies through the mid-game and
even into the endgame (should we both last that long) If you can't see
the threat that you pose to me by just 'sitting' on my border then
perhaps I'd better rethink that strategy. I look out for my allies, and
I try not to antagonize them. For an example look how England and I have
disengaged.
Can you give me one good reason why you should remain in TYR? You said
earlier that you were going to attack Russia. I missed see your
advance. Attack Austria? Attack Germany? Defend yourself? From
whom? Austria would swing right around underneath TYR. So you can only
defend yourself from me. But why would I attack you? With Austrian help
I suppose it's possible, but if I have Austrian help, you're toast. A
case can be made that you don't want me to go from TYR - PIE and attack
France. But I would think that I'd have to ask for permission for that
first, or you'll see it as an attack even if it's not. So my friend
(?) that army can only be used in an offensive sense. Hardly paranoia.
As an attempt to calm you down I will give you one piece of
information. I'm fine with England taking all of France. I see EG
being broken in two ways. One is if England attacks me before France is
eliminated. The other is that once France is gone, EG will have to be
reevaluated. The possibility that I've been mulling over at that point
is GI sweeping in both directions. East and West Simultaneously.
Fredd
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I have two goals, or rather call them hopes, for the
resolution of the issues in the south:
1) I hope that you will feel confident enough in the
situation to send a fleet over to help me.
2) I hope that someone will put some pressure on Germany
and especially England.
Hope #2 causes me not to prefer the RIFT alliance that
you are working on. This leaves Germany with little
resistance. Although that could turn out to be OK if we
let Germany grow too large, we can get England
frightened.
But I need someone to put some pressure on England. The
only obvious choice is Russia. If he would move his army
in Moscow to St. Petes and then to Norway that would help
me immensely. Without that, I will not be able to hold
my line against England. He may even decide to spill
into the Mediterranean while the going is good. Getting
across that stalemate line is a key to his eventual
victory. If he is in MAO, he could very easly take that
opportunity rather than a guess at one of my centers. He
still has a shot at them from WES.
Therefore, anything you can do to influence Russia to put
pressure on England would be greatly appreciated by me,
and probably in your best interest. A challenge is that
Russia seems to be too friendly towards England. It is a
strange contradiction in that he is at war with England's
ally, but will not attack England, who also refuses to
help him. Do you get this same feeling.
I worry that if Russia is at war with Austria, he cannot
afford to go for Norway. This is less true if he is
allied with Austria and working against Turkey. This is
why I prefer FAIR over RIFT. But I do not know the
dynamics in the south. I do not understand why Austria
could not make peace with one of R or T. Russia seemed
open to the idea.
Finally, I hesitate to suggest to Turkey that he build an
Army. He must be screaming, fooled me once, shame on
you, fool me again, shame on me. I just do not see him
building an army. In fact, I actually think that you
would need a fleet if you two were going to take on
Austria. As long as he has only the two, and one stays
perpetually in the Black Sea, that should be fair and
reasonable?
I do want to hear what you think.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>This is supposed to be a press game; is it unreasonable to wait until
>the judge delivers the mail before sending the order?
Not at all -- the Judge outage occurred a bit after I sent the
reminder. Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation and
(looking forward in my Inbox) I see that the retreat is already
in. Didn't mean to sound snippy! :-)
Thanks,
Doug
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
Congratulations on your fifth center. That's supposed to be a milestone in
Italian progress.
I bet you get your sixth before I do. It will impossible for me to grow in
1903, and it is not at all obvious that anything will be certain in 1904
either. I just hope that others will not have run away with the game by
then. That includes my German friend! 8-)
Answer: I don't know.
Question: why did Germany move to Bohemia?
Answer: I don't know.
Question: what is he going to do with Bohemia?
I have asked him, but I don't think at this stage that he knows either. As
you can imagine, communications between Germany and me last turn were
almost non-existent. In addition to the problems obvious to everyone, my
own modem doesn't seem to work at all in the evenings. Furthermore my
internet provider was down for almost a day.
In spite of a little setback for Austria, I still think our two friends,
Germany and Austria, are in positions best suited for very rapid growth.
We need to keep them reined in somewhat.
Cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message [from Russia] to all
>Broadcast message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master:
>
>Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation
*Engage RANT Mode*
One of my pet peeves with Joel Furr is his use
of StrictWait. Negotiating with Powers to influence
where they retreat to, or convincing them to disband
and rebuild rather than retreat is, in my opinion, an
under-used, but very effective tactic. (I interpret
the rulebook's restriction on negotiation during
Retreats/Adjustments as being an artifical limit
imposed to keep a F2F game from lasting three days,
rather than game "feature", so I see no reason to
impose it in a PBeM game.)
*EndRANT*
As an example for the Observers who are hoping
to learn something from 'titleist', consider Austria's
Retreat of Army Galicia this phase.
>The Austrian Army in Galicia can retreat to Ukraine
>or Vienna or Silesia.
France might lobby in favor of Silesia to distract
Germany. Italy, as part of AI vs. RT, might suggest
that Austria retreat to Ukraine to maintain pressure
on RT. Russia, of course, would suggest Vienna, to
improve his chances of retaking Warsaw. Strategy
articles routinely reccomend writing to everyone
every turn, and, in my opinion, influencing a retreat,
build, or disband is every bit as important as
influencing the Movement phase.
Message from Italy to Austria
I'm taking advice on what to build. Any input?
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey
Gentlemen,
I've received advice from Russia to build fleet Naples and from Turkey to
build army Venice. These are two opposing views and I'd prefer we all agree
on the best approach for my unit. I had previously suggested to Turkey
fleet in Rome since it's headed to the TYS anyway. If there wasn't an
immediate threat from the English armada in MAO by end of '03, I'd probably
go ahead and build the army, but since I have to convoy out of Turkey thus
tying up the Ionean fleet, I think it best I send a new fleet west.
Comments?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy and Russia
Gentlemen,
I concur with both of you, a Turkish army and an Italian fleet seem to be
called for. As for Rome or Naples, I suppose it doesn't matter as long as
it isn't sent in my direction. I have entered my order for A Con.
Must run, more later.
Ali Baba
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
Gentlemen,
I suppose that F Rome would give a slight extra
measure of security to Ali, over F Naples, but I don't
see F Nap as being effectively anti-Turkish in any
event, and F Rome would tip-off England that Roberto
is headed West. I'm figuring to disband F Sev, but
if there is a tactical reason to keep it rather than
F GoB, please let me know.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Germany
> Gee, I'd hate to see your reaction if I were to suggest
> putting one of my armies next to one of your home centers.
It seems to me, you were suggesting that. Perhaps I over-reacted. Perhaps
I missed quoted. Allow me to quote the sentence that caused the reaction.
> > The army in Tyrolia is beginning to worry me. I haven't
> > decided yet, but I'm considering trying to move it.
I read that as, I'm considering moving Tyrolia by force which would land you
next to one of my home centers as well as two of my ally. I would have
preferred an opening sentence discussing the pros/cons of DMZ'ing Tyrolia.
Keep in mind one of the biggest reasons I'm currently in Tyrolia is you
failed twice to answer my queries to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of
Ven-Tyr. Regarding Burgundy, you and England could have kept him out of
Burgundy but you chose instead to order Kiel support Holland rather than
move to Ruhr in the Spring. So, to say that you are now concerned about the
offensive possibilities of Tyrolia BECAUSE France is in Burgundy is, as you
put it, "bull on that one".
> I look out for my allies, and I try not to antagonize them.
> For an example look how England and I have disengaged.
>
> Can you give me one good reason why you should remain in TYR?
Several, but since you just asked for one. My ally, Austria (who I look out
for) asked me to move there just in case our German friend (?) moved to
Bohemia.
Now, can you give me one good reason why you moved to Bohemia?
> You said earlier that you were going to attack Russia.
You said earlier you were fine with either Austria or Italy occupying
Tyrolia as long as you knew about it in advance. So, why the concern now?
I was planning on moving north but Russia became so weak I didn't see the
point. Besides, I somehow doubt you'd be any more comfortable with me in
Silesia as you are with me in Tyrolia.
>
> So my friend (?) that army can only be used in an offensive sense.
>
If you truly think the above statement is true, there is nothing I can say
to change your mind so I won't try. I'll just say that I disagree with the
above statement and we can agree to disagree.
Now, I'm willing to discuss the future of Tyrolia. I'm even willing to
retreat from the position, but, it's going to cost you something. I'd like
to see you retreat from your Bohemian position to someplace a little further
north. I'm sure you can find interesting things to do in Northern Russia
without having to interfere with AI troop movements. Or, if you're truly
worried about the fate of Munich, you could move it back from wence it came
and stay out of the Eastern problems all together. Nobody in the east was
talking about Germany. Since your move to Bohemia, that's all that is
talked about. I'm willing to bet your retreat would see an end to those
talks and get the east re-focused on the east. It's your call though.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> I have two goals, or rather call them hopes, for the
> resolution of the issues in the south:
>
> 1) I hope that you will feel confident enough in the
> situation to send a fleet over to help me.
>
Building a fleet in Naples and it's headed to the TYS.
> 2) I hope that someone will put some pressure on Germany
> and especially England.
>
As far as England goes, that's out of my hands at the moment. Germany
though is getting a bit uptight with my army stationed in Tyrolia fearing a
combined FI attack on Munich (wait a second, not a bad idea - thanks for the
idea Germany).
> Hope #2 causes me not to prefer the RIFT alliance that
> you are working on.
>
There is very little chance of AR working together. I don't even want to
waste bandwidth trying.
>
> But I need someone to put some pressure on England. The
> only obvious choice is Russia. If he would move his army
> in Moscow to St. Petes and then to Norway that would help
> me immensely.
>
That's simply not going to happen as long as Austria continues his assault.
Perhaps Germany's move to Bohemia will get Austria's head to swivel but I
suspect he'd turn his attention back once that issue is resolved.
> Without that, I will not be able to hold
> my line against England. He may even decide to spill
> into the Mediterranean while the going is good. Getting
> across that stalemate line is a key to his eventual
> victory. If he is in MAO, he could very easly take that
> opportunity rather than a guess at one of my centers. He
> still has a shot at them from WES.
>
I'm hoping to prevent that.
> Therefore, anything you can do to influence Russia to put
> pressure on England would be greatly appreciated by me,
> and probably in your best interest. A challenge is that
> Russia seems to be too friendly towards England. It is a
> strange contradiction in that he is at war with England's
> ally, but will not attack England, who also refuses to
> help him. Do you get this same feeling.
>
Not really. I get the feeling that Russia considers Austria to be his
greatest danger. I just think Russia decided to put what little resources
he had into the Austrian defense. He didn't really have much choice.
> I worry that if Russia is at war with Austria, he cannot
> afford to go for Norway. This is less true if he is
> allied with Austria and working against Turkey. This is
> why I prefer FAIR over RIFT.
>
I understand your reasoning and agree with it. I favor FAIR over RIFT as
well. Unfortunately, nobody to date has been able to convince Austria to
favor that alliance. Time is not on our side to wait for Austria to see the
light.
>
> Finally, I hesitate to suggest to Turkey that he build an
> Army. He must be screaming, fooled me once, shame on
> you, fool me again, shame on me. I just do not see him
> building an army. In fact, I actually think that you
> would need a fleet if you two were going to take on
> Austria. As long as he has only the two, and one stays
> perpetually in the Black Sea, that should be fair and
> reasonable?
>
No problem. No need to stick your neck where it doesn't belong. Turkey and
I have come to an agreement.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Italy
> I'm taking advice on what to build. Any input?
A fleet in Naples.
I don't think anything else is even close. If England goes for MAO
this year, you'll need another fleet for defense. Turkey is looking
tough, and fleets are much more effective against him than armies.
In other developments, Germany is claiming his move to Bohemia was
meant to bounce Tyr-Boh. I think he's lying, but you should know what
he's telling me anyway. He says your army in Tyr was so threatening,
he felt forced to counter it, and asked me to urge you to relocate it.
I disagree, of course; we'll discuss moves after the builds process.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> A fleet in Naples.
That's what I had ordered. Just wanted to make sure.
> In other developments, Germany is claiming his move to Bohemia was
> meant to bounce Tyr-Boh. I think he's lying, but you should know what
> he's telling me anyway. He says your army in Tyr was so threatening,
> he felt forced to counter it, and asked me to urge you to relocate it.
> I disagree, of course; we'll discuss moves after the builds process.
He is lying because I recall telling him my army in Tyrolia would be holding
since I wanted the option of moving to Piedmont at the appropriate time to
help dismantle France.
Yes, he has asked me to relocate it as well but I told him I would if and
only if he relocated Bohemia first preferably back to Munich where it
belongs.
More after the builds come in tonight.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Ralassa, and Roberto,
> As part of a cooperative effort, Warsaw can suppport
> Gal-Sil, and/or Vienna can support Gal-Boh. In fact, with
> both Tyr and Vie supporting Gal-Boh, and War attempting Sil,
> we would almost certainly destroy the Boh army in the spring.
I would favor Gal S War-Sil, Tyl S Vie-Boh. If you want to
work with me you really need to move out of my Home Centre,
and toward our common enemy.
Czar Nicholas II.
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Sevastopol
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 5
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 5
Russia: 3
Turkey: 5
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