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Germany: Builds 1 unit
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I have two goals, or rather call them hopes, for the
resolution of the issues in the south:
1) I hope that you will feel confident enough in the
situation to send a fleet over to help me.
2) I hope that someone will put some pressure on Germany
and especially England.
Hope #2 causes me not to prefer the RIFT alliance that
you are working on. This leaves Germany with little
resistance. Although that could turn out to be OK if we
let Germany grow too large, we can get England
frightened.
But I need someone to put some pressure on England. The
only obvious choice is Russia. If he would move his army
in Moscow to St. Petes and then to Norway that would help
me immensely. Without that, I will not be able to hold
my line against England. He may even decide to spill
into the Mediterranean while the going is good. Getting
across that stalemate line is a key to his eventual
victory. If he is in MAO, he could very easly take that
opportunity rather than a guess at one of my centers. He
still has a shot at them from WES.
Therefore, anything you can do to influence Russia to put
pressure on England would be greatly appreciated by me,
and probably in your best interest. A challenge is that
Russia seems to be too friendly towards England. It is a
strange contradiction in that he is at war with England's
ally, but will not attack England, who also refuses to
help him. Do you get this same feeling.
I worry that if Russia is at war with Austria, he cannot
afford to go for Norway. This is less true if he is
allied with Austria and working against Turkey. This is
why I prefer FAIR over RIFT. But I do not know the
dynamics in the south. I do not understand why Austria
could not make peace with one of R or T. Russia seemed
open to the idea.
Finally, I hesitate to suggest to Turkey that he build an
Army. He must be screaming, fooled me once, shame on
you, fool me again, shame on me. I just do not see him
building an army. In fact, I actually think that you
would need a fleet if you two were going to take on
Austria. As long as he has only the two, and one stays
perpetually in the Black Sea, that should be fair and
reasonable?
I do want to hear what you think.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
Well, Austria retreated to Vienna. I am dissapointed,
but I expect that you are content.
What are you planning to disband? I am guessing that it
is the fleet in the GoB. It has no offensive
possibilities and really cannot stop the inevitable. I
guess it could safe St. Petes for a year, but that costs
you flexibility in your options in the south. Perhaps it
is best to focus there. I expect that you are
negotiating with Austria and Turkey (as well as Italy).
Obviously one of A or T must go in order to resolve the
south more quickly. I do not care which as long as it is
quickly done.
I do wish that you would put some pressure on England for
me. Because the longer that I last, the better off you
will be. This gives you time to eliminate one of A or T.
I hope that you will consider moving Mos to St. Petes.
This may save St. Petes because if Germany dislodges you,
you simply retreat to Norway. I would be your friend for
life if you caused England to disband a unit. I could
then hold on for a couple more years. Something that
would be in your best interest. Sure, you have some
risks around your homeland, but if you choose your ally
in the south wisely, and wait to reveal that in the fall,
you will be in great shape!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>This is supposed to be a press game; is it unreasonable to wait until
>the judge delivers the mail before sending the order?
Not at all -- the Judge outage occurred a bit after I sent the
reminder. Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation and
(looking forward in my Inbox) I see that the retreat is already
in. Didn't mean to sound snippy! :-)
Thanks,
Doug
Message [from Russia] to all
>Broadcast message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master:
>
>Retreat moves don't usually take much negotiation
*Engage RANT Mode*
One of my pet peeves with Joel Furr is his use
of StrictWait. Negotiating with Powers to influence
where they retreat to, or convincing them to disband
and rebuild rather than retreat is, in my opinion, an
under-used, but very effective tactic. (I interpret
the rulebook's restriction on negotiation during
Retreats/Adjustments as being an artifical limit
imposed to keep a F2F game from lasting three days,
rather than game "feature", so I see no reason to
impose it in a PBeM game.)
*EndRANT*
As an example for the Observers who are hoping
to learn something from 'titleist', consider Austria's
Retreat of Army Galicia this phase.
>The Austrian Army in Galicia can retreat to Ukraine
>or Vienna or Silesia.
France might lobby in favor of Silesia to distract
Germany. Italy, as part of AI vs. RT, might suggest
that Austria retreat to Ukraine to maintain pressure
on RT. Russia, of course, would suggest Vienna, to
improve his chances of retaking Warsaw. Strategy
articles routinely reccomend writing to everyone
every turn, and, in my opinion, influencing a retreat,
build, or disband is every bit as important as
influencing the Movement phase.
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
>Well, Austria retreated to Vienna. I am disappointed,
>but I expect that you are content.
Actually, for FAIR to work, Gal-Sil was rather
important. We're going to have to improvise, now.
>What are you planning to disband? I am guessing that it is the fleet in
>the GoB. It has no offensive
>possibilities and really cannot stop the inevitable.
It will be one of the Fleets, obviously, and
while F GoB cannot keep Germany from taking StP, it
will keep him from taking it this year, and that may
be an important enough reason to keep it.
>I guess it could safe St. Petes for a year, but that costs you flexibility
>in your options in the south. Perhaps it is best to focus there. I expect
>that you
>are negotiating with Austria and Turkey (as well as
>Italy). Obviously, one of A or T must go in order to
>resolve the south more quickly. I do not care which
>as long as it is quickly done.
Austria has been consistently uncooperative
since F1901M, while Turkey has come around quite nicely.
I do not see myself changing allies at this point.
Indeed, in many ways FIRT works better than FAIR, since
it eliminates the need to push East while simultaneously
holding off Germany. If you could sound out Italy
regarding his feelings regarding FIRT, I would appreciate
it, but be warned, he's nearly as smooth as Ivy is.
>I do wish that you would put some pressure on England
I wish that I could.
>I hope that you will consider moving Mos to St. Petes.
It is under consideration, but I would prefer to
retake War, and build A StP, if at all possible.
>This may save St. Petes because if Germany dislodges you, you simply
>retreat to Norway.
Do you really think that Germany would mind my
costing England a Center? He could always claim that
he expected me to retreat south. Ivy might be upset,
but I doubt that he would break the EG alliance over it.
>if you choose your ally in the south wisely, and wait
>to reveal that in the fall, you will be in great shape!
I expect that the Juggernaut will continue pave
the road toward Vienna. If Italy joins us, we should
make good progress, if not then I'm likely to fall under
German pressure.
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
I understand that F Bot can prevent the loss of St. Petes
for one year. But the Fleet in Sev can take Rumania
(with Turkish grace) or help Turkey and you take a
different Austria center. In the end I think that your
power base will be in the south. You would be better
served having your forces together.
But the choice is yours. A difficult one to make. I am
sure that the Dauphin will be facing such a choice soon.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
>I understand that F Bot can prevent the loss of St. Petes
>for one year. But the Fleet in Sev can take Rumania
>(with Turkish grace) or help Turkey and you take a
>different Austria center. In the end I think that your
>power base will be in the south. You would be better
>served having your forces together.
My suspicion is that if I disband F GoB, Germany
will order Bal-Lvn (or Bal C Ber-Lvn), Swe-Fin and
take StP in the Fall. Moving Mos-Stp this Spring
MIGHT stop that, but I am doubtful, and doing so would
allow War-Mos. Leaving F GoB as a blocking force
should keep Germany from positioning to take this
Spring since he desires my cooperation against Austria,
and England doesn't want Germany to build this year.
Taking Rum and Nwy while losing Mos and StP does me no
good, I'm afraid.
Nick.
Message from Italy to France
>
> I have two goals, or rather call them hopes, for the
> resolution of the issues in the south:
>
> 1) I hope that you will feel confident enough in the
> situation to send a fleet over to help me.
>
Building a fleet in Naples and it's headed to the TYS.
> 2) I hope that someone will put some pressure on Germany
> and especially England.
>
As far as England goes, that's out of my hands at the moment. Germany
though is getting a bit uptight with my army stationed in Tyrolia fearing a
combined FI attack on Munich (wait a second, not a bad idea - thanks for the
idea Germany).
> Hope #2 causes me not to prefer the RIFT alliance that
> you are working on.
>
There is very little chance of AR working together. I don't even want to
waste bandwidth trying.
>
> But I need someone to put some pressure on England. The
> only obvious choice is Russia. If he would move his army
> in Moscow to St. Petes and then to Norway that would help
> me immensely.
>
That's simply not going to happen as long as Austria continues his assault.
Perhaps Germany's move to Bohemia will get Austria's head to swivel but I
suspect he'd turn his attention back once that issue is resolved.
> Without that, I will not be able to hold
> my line against England. He may even decide to spill
> into the Mediterranean while the going is good. Getting
> across that stalemate line is a key to his eventual
> victory. If he is in MAO, he could very easly take that
> opportunity rather than a guess at one of my centers. He
> still has a shot at them from WES.
>
I'm hoping to prevent that.
> Therefore, anything you can do to influence Russia to put
> pressure on England would be greatly appreciated by me,
> and probably in your best interest. A challenge is that
> Russia seems to be too friendly towards England. It is a
> strange contradiction in that he is at war with England's
> ally, but will not attack England, who also refuses to
> help him. Do you get this same feeling.
>
Not really. I get the feeling that Russia considers Austria to be his
greatest danger. I just think Russia decided to put what little resources
he had into the Austrian defense. He didn't really have much choice.
> I worry that if Russia is at war with Austria, he cannot
> afford to go for Norway. This is less true if he is
> allied with Austria and working against Turkey. This is
> why I prefer FAIR over RIFT.
>
I understand your reasoning and agree with it. I favor FAIR over RIFT as
well. Unfortunately, nobody to date has been able to convince Austria to
favor that alliance. Time is not on our side to wait for Austria to see the
light.
>
> Finally, I hesitate to suggest to Turkey that he build an
> Army. He must be screaming, fooled me once, shame on
> you, fool me again, shame on me. I just do not see him
> building an army. In fact, I actually think that you
> would need a fleet if you two were going to take on
> Austria. As long as he has only the two, and one stays
> perpetually in the Black Sea, that should be fair and
> reasonable?
>
No problem. No need to stick your neck where it doesn't belong. Turkey and
I have come to an agreement.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Sevastopol
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 5
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 5
Russia: 3
Turkey: 5
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