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Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>England: Fleet Norway -> St Petersburg (north coast)
Ooops!
Never thought of that possibility. Let's see what we can work out. I
didn't expect the move to Silesia either.
I just got our of bed and will be heading to work. More later. There is a
lot to digest here.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Congratulations.
We may have to add a "go slow" campaign in Italy to the "go slow" campaign
in Germany!
I'm off to work. Don't know when I will get back to you. Later today, I hope.
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
So you're not surprised, my disband will be the fleet in Rome. And I'll be
moving the Ionean fleet to the East Med this fall.
Idalia, for the good graces of the ArchDuke
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Somehow we need to get you a build this year. For starters, I expect
Germany will probably double-attack Sweden (but which way?) and
double-attack Warsaw.
I suspect that Livonia->StP->Norway will work, however there is always that
chance the Germany, who is quite clever, will consider Bothnia->StP.
You have the most at stake, so I probably will follow your lead on
this. Whatever we do, I think it is important that we guarantee, if
possible, that Germany will lose two centers this year. That will make
next year all the more easier.
Italy really is going to let France walk over him. He says he is going to
destroy Rome this winter and I believe him. France set a precedent by
asking that we go slow in Germany. Now I think that you and I have the
opening to ask that France go slow in Italy.
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
It looks like Italy is going to make good on his threat to fight you while
letting France walk in. He now tells me, and I believe him, that he will
move the Ionian fleet to Eastern Med this fall and will destroy Rome this
winter. Those of us who are surviving -- I guess that's you, me, and
Russia -- may have to ask France to go slow if he doesn't want to be
diplomatically isolated after the demise of Italy and Germany.
I think it is likely that Russia will ask me to let him slip into StP this
fall. I wasn't supposed to be there; I was just supposed to cut the German
army there. Consequently, he may ask you to support Warsaw. What should
we do here? I wasn't ready to turn him into an enemy so soon. On the
other hand, I don't want him to be too strong. His intention is to build
an army in Moscow and pressure you for the return of Sevastopol.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Your assessment matches my own. I've been trying to get Roberto to tell my
why I'm the bad guy here. So far, nothing constructive. He seems only to
want to rub my nose in my own frustration. If you can glean from him any
motivations for making me the enemy, please let me know.
I also share your view on Russia. The last thing I want or need is for him to
rebuild and start looking at Sevastopol. My position is steadily
deteriorating, and I can't afford to lose any centers. At the same time, it
looks like France is heading for substantial growth, though he probably
(hopefully) won't build more than one this year. Still, it increases the need
for you to build to counter-balance that growth. And, in the long run, you'll
probably be better off if Russia loses the ability to build in the north.
Right offhand, I'd say my preference would be to see you stay in StP. I have
so far only seen one combination that ensures I'll hold even this year, and it
requires the use of all my units, so I can't see how I could agree to support
Warsaw. Meanwhile, it seems likely that Germany could regain Sweden as well,
which means F Swe could retreat to Norway.
Not a good scenario.
We've got the weekend to think things through, but at the moment I don't see a
lot of pleasant options. So far I've not received any requests from Russia,
nor have I heard from France. I will certainly write at once if I can come up
with anything positive, and/or if I hear from any of the others.
Best regards,
Ali
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Rest assured, that I have no plans to sprint out ahead
of you in units and be dangerously large. I may need a
couple extra in the short term because I have a potent
opponent in Italy and you are figthing Germany with
French and Russian help. But I cannot be getting extra
units hanging around without your getting some to
balance those. For now, Italy is far, far from dead.
It has already been pointed out to be how "you are going
to stab me" and get 4 builds. I am sure that you have
some temptation and will at least consider the
possibility. Here is why I think that you should reject
that idea. If you stab me, I will turn to fight you.
Italy will then have no one to irritate him and he can
finish off Turkey without any trouble. Sure I am out of
position, but can recover fairly quickly. Also, you do
not want to lose an ally that you can trust and work
with. Who else in this game would have trusted you so
much, because it was the best thing for both of us. I
do not want to get hampered by paranoia. Your trust for
me is similarly important so you are not hampered by
paranoia.
I have always believe that someone who can trust is
trustworthy, and someone who refuses to trust should not
be trusted. People see others through the filters of
their own reactions, feelings, and personality. We are
building trust, you do not want to lose that.
So reassure me that you will order the fleet in the
Channel to the North Sea and not Brest or Belgium :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I have thought more about the board and realize that you
have a couple options. (Fred pointed the same ones out,
so I am sure that they are obvious to you as well). You
could stab me, taking France on before it gets too
difficult, but I already explained why that would make a
very large Italy. Therefore, I will focus on two others.
You can either try to help Russia, building only 1 or 2
units; or you can betray Russia and get three builds.
Russia and Germany do not seem to be able to get along.
This is in your favor. Even if they could make peace,
you, with a little help from me, could take them on.
This would pretty much even out our difficulties and make
our relationship more stable. The second does have the
effect that Russia would be almost eliminated.
I am not advocating either choice. I can live with
either. My only request is that you not build a fleet in
Liverpool. In fact, I would prefer your not building in
Liverpool at all. I am sure that you feel the same way
about Brest.
Do you want to discuss these two options or would you
prefer to keep your decision private. I may prefer not
knowing :-) But if it is required of our relationship, I
can know.
What did you mean earlier about slowing down my progress
against Italy? Do you really think that I can make quick
gains? He can get armies back into Italy quickly and
that would make going very slow, since I have only
fleets. I can pull one fleet back, if that is what you
are hinting at? Help me to understand your comment and
your concerns. Eliminating concerns, at a minimum
talking about them, is what is important in keeping an
alliance stable and long lasting.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
One day extension due to a player absence.
Doug
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>Your assessment matches my own. I've been trying to get Roberto to tell me
>why I'm the bad guy here.
You are not the bad guy. Italy's decision has a certain logic to it. If
he defends against France, then there is absolutely no one who can put
pressure on you to stop you from devouring Italy in the rear. With Italy
defending against you, though, he hopes to talk me into attacking
France. In spite of his size, Italy is in deep trouble.
A lesser reason may be the history between France and Italy. They were
close for a long time. I tried and tried to get Italy to attack France,
but he wouldn't do it. It wouldn't surprise me if France's masterly
correspondence has had an effect on Italy.
>I also share your view on Russia.
I thought you would. I still don't know what to do up there. Russia has
been quiet.
>I have so far only seen one combination that ensures I'll hold even this
>year, and it
>requires the use of all my units, so I can't see how I could agree to support
>Warsaw.
I see a combination; it may be the same. Attack Budapest with Galicia and
Serbia with Bulgaria. That saves Rumania. Then Rumania->Bulgaria with the
support of the Black Sea and Constantinople will save Bulgaria.
I'll be in touch again before Tuesday.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
Do you realized how thoroughly you frustrated Russia last turn?
Norway was not supposed to go to StP; it was only supposed to cut your
fleet there. Now that I am there, there is no reasonable way for Russia to
get it this fall. If Russia asks me to move back to Norway so his army can
move in, then Bothnia can bounce the move, leaving StP in your
hands. Furthermore, Livonia->StP only makes Warsaw more vulnerable thanks
to your move to Silesia.
I am considering your suggested moves against France. What troubles me
most is this. Having messed up one alliance, do I want to destroy another
so quickly? Still, one should look at every new position with a fresh
outlook.
Anyway, we have until Tuesday.
I think Roberto is going to play "giveaway" -- with France the beneficiary.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
My version of Eudora (my e-mail program) feels it has to protect me from
inflammatory messages. Several times it has warned me that I should
reconsider sending certain messages. It has flagged your latest two
messages as inflammatory as well. It's those words such as "stab" that
cause the trouble.
>What did you mean earlier about slowing down my progress
>against Italy? Do you really think that I can make quick
>gains?
Exactly. In desperation, Italy is handing you his centers so that I will
take immediate action. This fall he will destroy the fleet in Rome.
>Rest assured, that I have no plans to sprint out ahead
>of you in units and be dangerously large.
So, yes, I do need such assurance.
> I may need a couple extra in the short term
Apparently, you won't need anything extra. In that case, we may want to
equalize quickly. There is no need to take any unusual action this
turn. Let's wait and see if Italy really does carry out his threat.
>It has already been pointed out to be how "you are going
>to stab me" and get 4 builds. I am sure that you have
>some temptation and will at least consider the
>possibility.
That sounds like Germany talking.
Most English players would have tried to walk into Paris and Brest this
past spring. Most French players would have defend Paris and Brest. I
think you and I are very much alike, very compatible.
> Here is why I think that you should reject
>that idea. ... (lots omitted)
The idea was rejected long before you wrote the above.
>So reassure me that you will order the fleet in the
>Channel to the North Sea and not Brest or Belgium
North Sea, yes. The catch is that the will probably fail (see the
discussion on northern strategy). Not Brest. Belgium? Not now. Maybe
next year; maybe never. Let's see what Italy really does, but I am
expecting that it is I who will have to slug it out against determined
opposition and that you will have a cakewalk. We may need to balance
sooner than we had planned.
On to the northern strategy now. Norway was not supposed to go to StP; it
was only supposed to cut the German fleet. Fredd's moves have handed
Russia a real dilemma. And Nick has not written since the spring
moves. If Nick asks me to move back to Norway so that he can take StP as
planned, then Warsaw will surely be lost. The best anti-German tactic,
then, is for me to sit in StP. Will Nick have the discipline to accept
this? Warsaw might be lost anyway, if Fredd decides to use Bothnia to cut
Livonia.
Alternatively, Germany might want to double-attack Sweden. The only way to
help Nick there is with Nth supp Swe->Den while cutting Kiel. Whether I am
pro-Russia or anti-Germany (I need to be one of these, if not both) it
seems that I have to do this.
That's why Eng->Nth is likely to fail. Prior to this latest Russian
setback, Nick was supposed to support my North Sea fleet into Denmark.
>You can either try to help Russia, building only 1 or 2
>units; or you can betray Russia and get three builds.
I see no chance to get three builds. Although he hasn't written, Nick will
no longer agree to support me into Denmark when that risks his loss of Sweden.
>Russia and Germany do not seem to be able to get along.
>This is in your favor.
Right. Never, never, exchange angry words with your enemy. You know that,
obviously. ["Baloney" doesn't count. 8-) ] An exception could be make
if it is obvious that either you or your enemy is about to die, but I
prefer to make no exceptions. For me to utter harsh words like "dolphin"
is even out of character. I told you I was square.
>Do you want to discuss these two options or would you
>prefer to keep your decision private.
If Russia is content to let me sit in StP this fall, then I probably should
help him in Sweden. If only Nick would write, I might have a better feel
for the situation. We may also end up having a 3-way conversation on this
also.
Ivy.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
It sounds like we are very much agreed in the path
forward. I repeat that I do not want to get too large
too quickly, because that will make me a target and you
nervous. The only way to keep our alliance stable is to
balance our force, given the situations.
I will get 1 build this year. You will get two. That
seems reasonable for our situations.
I understand that the Fleet in the Channel cannot go to
the North Sea. Is there anywhere else that it can go and
still be useful. I am certainly willing to trust when
the situation requires it. But our situation improves as
we separate our forces, where possible.
I suppose London is the only possibility and that would
cover a location for a build. Although an army in
Liverpool might be OK. Ponder it. We have time to
discuss it.
--Prince Boar
PS: I have heard from Nick. He implied that he heard
from you, but not that he sent you mail I guess.
Message [from Turkey] to all
DATELINE: CONSTANTINOPLE
In a surprise announcement to global press
organizations, Turkey today revealed that Ali Baba, the
Turkish leader thought to have been killed in the
recent naval disaster in Bulgaria, is still alive and
continues to control the government. Apparently, Baba
was found unconscious in the wreckage, and was spirited
away by loyalist followers.
Baba apologized to Turkish citizens for his
previously erratic and unexplainable behavior, accusing
Italian operatives of poisoning his food with
psychotropic drugs. Baba's love for Italian food had
resulted in a large number of foreign nationals among
his kitchen staff, many of whom turned out to be agents
of the Italian regime.
"Though this represents a clear failure on the part
of our intelligence apparatus," Baba said, "we have
taken appropriate and prudent steps to tighten
security, and we now believe that most of the foreign
elements have been eliminated." Baba refused to
clarify what he meant by "eliminated."
Since the Bulgarian catastrophe, Turkish officials
have accused Italy of harboring fanatical zealots who
have carried out a number of suicide attacks against
Turkish interests, resulting in unprecedented loss of
civilian lives.
Referring to Italian leader Roberto as a "crazed
lunatic", Baba's government has attempted to form a
global coalition to fight what he calls a threat to
humanity. "These suicide attacks are an affront to
civilized people everywhere, and we call on the nations
of the world to stand with us against these terrorist
fanatics," Baba said.
"They wish to see us demoralized, but the result has
been an unprecedented level of unity among the Turkish
people," Baba claimed, displaying visible emotion
during the press conference. Outside observers have
confirmed that clashes between rival warlords seem to
have abated. Though many tribal leaders were recently
bitter enemies, most have joined forces in a display of
national unity.
However, some observers inside Turkey, who spoke
only on condition of anonymity, remain pessimistic that
these efforts can save Baba's government. As one
official put it, "if someone is so fervently
anti-Turkish that he is willing to give up his own life
to destroy us, there is really very little we can do to
counter such attacks."
Nevertheless, most Turkish military authorities
remain strong in their resolve to combat this new form
of warfare. "Apparently, these fanatics believe they
will receive greater rewards in the afterlife if they
kill our people in the process," one source in the
Turkish War Ministry proclaimed. "If that's their
belief, then we can only endeavor to send them to that
afterlife as speedily as possible."
So far, reaction from Western governments have been
mixed. One French official has reportedly assured Baba
that his nation stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the
Turkish people, and has vowed to do his part to punish
those responsible for these "atrocities". However, it
appears that French assistance may come only in the
form of humanitarian aid, rather than direct military
assistance.
The effect on this war-torn nation has been
significant and remarkable. Though tensions run high,
most Turks remain grimly resolved. "We will fight to
the last man," said one resident of Constantinople.
"They may have superior technology, but they will never
crush the Turkish spirit."
Message from France to England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just to let you know that I will be out of the
country Sat, Sun, and Mon. Do write and I
will try to respond Monday night. Tuesday will
be a humdinger of a day, but I *will* find time on
Tuesday. I do not want to cause more than the
minimum delay.
--Prince Boar
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
> Do you realized how thoroughly you frustrated Russia last turn?
Yes, I have seen the light, so to speak.
I've considered that you could move off of STP and let him have it.
I've also seen that if you support him to DEN, then I can walk into SWE.
I've also seen that I can hit LVN with GOB, and then WAR will fall to
me.
I've also seen how he can walk into NWY, unless you protect it.
I also know that since you supported him to SWE, it's his turn to
support you somewhere. But you've already got two certain builds. I
wonder how it'll all play out.
All in all, he could be down to two. Depending if I guess right.
Fredd
Message from Russia to England and France
Gentlemen,
The German move to Silesia suggests that Fredd is determined
to keep me from building, and it looks like he'll succeed. A
supported attack on War, and/or GoB-StP/SC will negate any
attempt by the Russian 2nd Guards Army to control St.
Petersburg, and any action on Denmark will result in a bounce,
or an exchange of Centers. I have concluded, therefore, that for
the good of the alliance, I should once again set aside any attempt
to achieve Russian growth, and focus on causing maximum damage
to the German economy. So, my suggestions are:
England:
F StP/NC HOLD
A Hol -> Kiel
F Nth -> Den
F ECh -> Nth
France:
A Bel -> Hol
A Bur S A Kiel -> Mun
Russia:
F Swe S F Nth -> Den
A Lvn -> Pru
A War S A Lvn -> Pru
Italy:
A Boh -> Sil
If I can't get Roberto to agree to Boh-Sil, I'll fall back to Lvn S War.
Comments, criticism, suggestions for improvement?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
It's good to hear from you!
As you know, the Prince is out of town. I suspect he will approve of any
reasonable moves that you and I agree on.
Here are my comments.
>If I can't get Roberto to agree to Boh-Sil, I'll fall back to Lvn S War.
Fine, but good luck with Roberto. To hear him talk, all he wants is to lie
down and die. He's lost heart. I may be wrong, and, to give him credit,
this may merely be a ploy. He tells me that he has no intention of
defending against France and that he will next disband Rome. I'm fairly
confident that he means it. His point is that I must attack France
immediately to keep him from becoming huge. I have no idea, under these
circumstances, whether Italy will cooperate with you. It can't hurt to ask
him.
You and I both know that I was not supposed to be in StP. I did think that
Germany might try StP->Bothnia, but only if accompanied by Livonia->StP.
I've looked at us trying Livonia->StP->Norway to get you into StP anyway,
and surely you have too. It's ugly. For starters, it guarantees the loss
of Warsaw.
I think Germany has three basic options, depending on whether Bothnia cuts
Livonia, or heads for StP, or participates in a double-attack on Sweden.
In classic game theory language, the double-attack on Sweden (plus a
double-attack on Warsaw) is a dominant strategy. That is, it fares as well
or better for Germany no matter what we do than the other two options. But
will Fredd reach the same conclusion? I think he may.
Here's a question. Why Swe supp Nth-Den? I know that was our original
plan, but that was when we were expecting you to get StP. I am willing
instead to substitute Nth supp Swe->Den. That either saves Sweden directly
or compensates you with Denmark.
My other question. Why Bel->Hol? First, that move is likely to fail,
because Holland will never get to Kiel. Also, I suspect that the Prince is
moving Bur supp Bel->Ruhr, so that he can take Munich next turn. And
Bel->Ruhr should succeed.
We do seem to agree that the best strategy is to do maximum damage to Germany.
Ivy
>>The German move to Silesia suggests that Fredd is determined
>>to keep me from building, and it looks like he'll succeed. A
>>supported attack on War, and/or GoB-StP/SC will negate any
>>attempt by the Russian 2nd Guards Army to control St.
>>Petersburg, and any action on Denmark will result in a bounce,
>>or an exchange of Centers. I have concluded, therefore, that for
>>the good of the alliance, I should once again set aside any attempt
>>to achieve Russian growth, and focus on causing maximum damage
>>to the German economy. So, my suggestions are:
>>
>>England:
>>
>>F StP/NC HOLD
>>A Hol -> Kiel
>>F Nth -> Den
>>F ECh -> Nth
>>
>>France:
>>A Bel -> Hol
>>A Bur S A Kiel -> Mun
>>
>>Russia:
>>F Swe S F Nth -> Den
>>A Lvn -> Pru
>>A War S A Lvn -> Pru
Message from Russia to England
Hello Ivy,
> It's good to hear from you!
It's been busy for reasons I can't discuss without breaking gunboat,
and I wanted to get a sense from IT of their intentions before
formulating a plan of my own. Sorry that I didn't write earlier.
> >If Roberto [won't order] Boh-Sil, I'll fall back to Lvn S War.
>
> Fine, but good luck with Roberto. It can't hurt to ask him.
That's what I figured.
> I've looked at us trying Livonia->StP->Norway to get you into StP
> It's ugly. For starters, it guarantees the loss of Warsaw.
Yeah, I considered Lvn-StP, StP-Bar to let Swe retreat to Nwy if
dislodged, but it didn't seem productive.
> [Germany can have] Bothnia cut Livonia, or head for StP, or
> participate in a double-attack on Sweden.
Ick, I hadn't considered GoB-Lvn.
> the double-attack on Sweden (plus a double-attack on Warsaw) is
> a dominant strategy. But will Fredd reach the same conclusion?
> I think he may.
It's what I came up with.
> Why Swe supp Nth-Den? I am willing instead to substitute
> Nth supp Swe->Den. That either saves Sweden directly
> or compensates you with Denmark.
*Nick thinks for a moment.* My way, I retreat to Nwy if I lose
Swe, which opens the possibility of supporting action in StP, but
if Swe-Den works, Germany would take Swe with GoB, eliminating
the German threat to StP, so I guess that is superior. Let's go with
Nth S Swe-Den.
> My other question. Why Bel->Hol? First, that move is likely to
> fail, because Holland will never get to Kiel.
I'm assuming Fredd may defend Mun with Kie-Mun, Tyl-Mun,
so Bur S Kie-Mun lets Hol-Kie work. That or Boh S Bur-Mun
strike me as the only options for taking a German Home Center
this year.
> I suspect that the Prince is moving Bur supp Bel->Ruhr, so that
> he can take Munich next turn. And Bel->Ruhr should succeed.
Yes, I just offered my moves as a suggestion, I don't really
supect France to agree to them.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I am in a hurry and will be gone all day.
>> My other question. Why Bel->Hol? First, that move is likely to
>> fail, because Holland will never get to Kiel.
It just occurred to me in the middle of the night that Germany still owns
Holland and will keep it if I actually get to Kiel.
More tomorrow. Looks like we are easily reaching agreement.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
> Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
> >> My other question. Why Bel->Hol? First, that move is likely to
> >> fail, because Holland will never get to Kiel.
>
> It just occurred to me in the middle of the night that Germany still owns
> Holland and will keep it if I actually get to Kiel.
Oh yeah, that too! 8-) Also, assuming Hol-Kie works, it gives EF both
two builds.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> Let's go with Nth S Swe-Den.
Done. I will enter my moves now.
I will also tell France that I am indifferent to his choice between
Bel->Hol and Bel->Ruhr.
Germany will lose two units this year -- possibly three, but I doubt
it. After next year he will be a non-entity.
Let's you and I keep an eye on France's progress, especially if Italy
really does destroy the unit in Rome.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Welcome back. My moves are in. They might be altered if you have other
ideas, but I think they will by OK.
Notice that Nick suggests Bel->Hol in conjunction with Bur s
Kiel->Mun. This costs Germany an extra unit if he attempts to bounce
himself in Munich. That's OK with me if you want to do this, but I think
it very unlikely that it would pay off. I had been assuming that you would
simply support Belgium to Ruhr in order to take Munich next year. That's
probably what I would do in your shoes. But it's up to you.
I considered Eng-Lon, but right now I have Eng hold. My reasoning has to
do with the anticipated destruction of the Italian unit at Rome. I really
think he is going through with that plan. He threatens to lie down and die
while handing units to you, if I do not attack you immediately.
So, if Rome disappears, I see Munich, Rome, and Naples available to you
next year. I should get either Kiel or Denmark, but I may well be handing
StP over to Russia.
So, how do we stay balanced? Eng->Bel may be the only way. I would think
that if I moved Eng->Lon this fall, that I would have to move it back to
the Channel in the spring. The North Sea will be needed next spring for a
new fleet.
But all this raises the question of how best to handle our partnership
should Italy put up no defense. We will have 13 units between us after
this turn and will gain about 4 next year. Is it time for us to make a
power sweep from west to east? Time for me to alienate Russia? Can
Russia/Germany and Turkey/Italy cooperate to stop us? Can you imagine
_not_ taking Italian centers that are open to you?
I am not asking for immediate answers, but if the world isn't discussing EF
already, they sure will be after this next turn.
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Is it correct that there seems to be no hope of you and Italy agreeing on a
truce line? Is Roberto as uncompromising with you as he is with me? I am
trying to imagine what I must do, and when I must do it, if France tries
to make a run for a huge number of centers.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I got your note. I only have a second to respond.
I really doubt Germany will try to bounce himself in
Munich, so let's not waste our effort on that.
Your holding in the Channel is fine. I do not yet know
if I will order Belgium to Ruhr. Since you are worried
about me growing, maybe I should just sit still.
As for Italy, he may just be blowing smoke. He has made
no offers to me of handing his centers over. If it looks
like he will offer no resistance, then we will adjust and
I will help you get centers in the north to keep us more
balanced. I really do not want to be the next target and
I want to keep our alliance stable. Do not worry, I
understand the importance of that.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I got your note. I only have a second to respond.
We're fine. Go to it.
Talk to you tomorrow.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Is it correct that there seems to be no hope of you and Italy agreeing on
a
> truce line?
I'm afraid that seems to be the case, I've seen nothing hopeful at all from
him. I've tried logic, pushing, pulling, nothing works. My last two
presses have gone unanswered, which is about my limit in a single diplomacy
phase.
> Is Roberto as uncompromising with you as he is with me?
Is he uncompromising with you in every respect? That's how he is with me.
> I am
> trying to imagine what I must do, and when I must do it, if France tries
> to make a run for a huge number of centers.
Unfortunately, you attacking France is *exactly* what Roberto wants. I
would urge patience, France has much more to gain if he takes it slow and
stays on your side, which is precisely what I'm telling him. Meanwhile,
you've got some potential gains of your own, which France may have concerns
about. In the words of Bush the senior, I urge you to stay the course.
[Thousand points of light. Stay the course. Thousand points of light.]
All rhetoric aside, I'm hoping Italy won't get what he wants, which is EF
conflict.
Have you made any decision about Russia?
Ali
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>Is he uncompromising with you in every respect? That's how he is with me.
Yes, his tone is so extreme that it hardly seems worth the trouble to try
with him. There is some logic in his stance. Namely, his position is
hopeless unless I attack France fairly soon.
>Unfortunately, you attacking France is *exactly* what Roberto wants. I
>would urge patience, France has much more to gain if he takes it slow and
>stays on your side, which is precisely what I'm telling him.
I'm not sure this is best for you, though. If France is too slow then
Italy may be able to get another center or two from you before dying. If
France crushes Italy by walking into Rome and Naples next year, then you
may survive relatively unscathed.
For selfish reasons, I prefer that you be strong enough to throw your
weight around in an end game. An ET ending is safer for me than an EF
ending, for example.
>All rhetoric aside, I'm hoping Italy won't get what he wants, which is EF
>conflict.
I am not attacking France and will not attack him for quite some
time, provided he and I can maintain relatively equal strength.
>Have you made any decision about Russia?
Yes, Nick has been very agreeable. I will sit in StP, because there is no
reasonable way for Nick to take it himself.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Yes, his tone is so extreme that it hardly seems worth the trouble to try
> with him. There is some logic in his stance. Namely, his position is
> hopeless unless I attack France fairly soon.
There's something about the suicide ploy that just rubs me the wrong way.
My usual response is to not play their game, try to get them taken out ASAP,
then see how they liked it.
> I'm not sure this is best for you, though. If France is too slow then
> Italy may be able to get another center or two from you before dying. If
> France crushes Italy by walking into Rome and Naples next year, then you
> may survive relatively unscathed.
My only real hope is that if France takes Italian home centers, but I can
hold onto my own, then Roberto will be eliminated and I'll have the chance
for a comeback. Naturally, I would prefer to be able to maintain position
and not lose anything... but if Roberto goes after me full-force, as he
seems determined to do at his own expense, then my best bet is clearly to
see France succeed spectacularly against Italy. Thus, it becomes important
to see you succeed spectacularly against Germany.
> For selfish reasons, I prefer that you be strong enough to throw your
> weight around in an end game. An ET ending is safer for me than an EF
> ending, for example.
For selfish reasons, I concur wholeheartedly.
> Yes, Nick has been very agreeable. I will sit in StP, because there is no
> reasonable way for Nick to take it himself.
That is good. I told Nick that I was unable to help him with Warsaw since I
saw no way to do it without sacrificing Rum or Bul, and he seemed to
understand.
Not much I can do but cross my fingers on this one...
Ali
England: Fleet English Channel HOLD
England: Army Holland → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Russian Fleet Sweden → Denmark
England: Fleet St Petersburg (north coast) HOLD
France: Army Belgium → Ruhr
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Tuscany
France: Fleet North Africa → Western Mediterranean
France: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany: Fleet Denmark → North Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Livonia (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Denmark (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Prussia → Warsaw
Germany: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Prussia → Warsaw
Germany: Army Tyrolia → Munich (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bohemia → Galicia
Italy: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania (*cut*)
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Rome → Naples
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Bohemia → Galicia
Russia: Army Livonia SUPPORT Army Warsaw (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Denmark
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Turkish Army Galicia (*void, dislodged*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Serbia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce, dislodged*)
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
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