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Message from Austria to Turkey
Jason,
It seem it's worst then I thought. Since I didn't went with
the bash Turkey plan, they have turned it around and you
have jump right in.
So, let me ask the obvious question. Once I'm gone, what
do you plan to do?
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Look, I know about you wanting Italy to support you to Bul, so I don't
know why you're acting all surprised.
As for what I'll do when you're gone? I'll cross that bridge when I come
to it. I'd rather not give you blackboard material for either Russia or
Italy.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Thanks for the support, and it appears that everything went according to
plan. What support will you be needing next?
Message from Turkey to England
Crazy moves in Scandinavia! Are you and Germany going to be able to work
together to keep Russia in check?
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Well, let's see what we've got. Austria is now serisouly on the ropes,
so that's good for me, as long as I can get my share.
Italy is still friendly, and he can't cause too much trouble before I
can build F Smy.
Russia has Nwy, which I don't like, but otherwise that seems to be going
well. Convoy A Con to Sev? Not likely, but always a possibility.
Turkey at 5 after 1902, hopefully. Could be better, could be worse.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Thanks for the support in Bul. Austria already sent his requisite
indignant email.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
Can I get 2 supports to SER?
Thanks
Andy
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Crazy moves in Scandinavia! Are you and Germany
> going to be able to work together to keep Russia in check?
I don't know. Obviously I was expecting Russian support into DEN, but I've been made a monkey. No doubt Germany isn't thrilled about me going to DEN, either.
Going to have to come up with something, I guess. And you *did* warn me about the RT; thanks for the warning. I should have heeded it. . .
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Look, I know about you wanting Italy to support you to Bul, so I don't
> know why you're acting all surprised.
In case you aren't pretending, you should know that Italy made
the offer of support against Bul with all sort of other promises,
not the contrary. I limited myself to telling him to support Rum-
Bul, but not to expect me to use it since I couldn't rely on him.
Instead, I did what I could to protect myself from Italy and what
I suspected to be his turkish ally, but could not protect myself
from all my neighbours at the same time; and to think I was
bidding my time to see who I could trust!?!
> As for what I'll do when you're gone? I'll cross that bridge when I come
> to it. I'd rather not give you blackboard material for either Russia or
> Italy.
Your call. If you rather trust Italy & Russia, there's nothing I
can do about it.
So, please let me know if that's the case as soon as possible,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Turkey
Wow, I cannot believe how successful that was. I'm really busy today, so
I'm keeping this short. I'll talk with you more after I've had a chance to
digest the results.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
Since it's not possible to convince you that you're being
mislead and that I'm telling you the truth, I have decided
to try something drastic.
I will favor an RT so you get the opportunity to go after
Italy, like you wanted before all the lies pointed you in my
direction, and so you don't get squeeze between IR
The plan is simple. I will vacate Ser and use Bud to
support you in Rum, while you also support Rum from
Bla and support Bul-Ser from Rum, covering Bul with
Con.
All I ask is that you use those two gains to build fleets to
go after Italy and that you remain in Rum & Bla so it's
possible to go after Russia later on. Also, please keep
this secret from Andy. Even if you don't trust me, the
only thing I'm asking you to do this turn is attack me, so
he doesn't need to know.
Let me know what you think of this,
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
I asked Eric to pull back from NWY. I'd appreciate you encouraging him, if
possible.
I imagine you will be feeling the diplomatic squeeze, between Eric and Andy,
come build phase.
Good luck!
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Hey Jason,
Well, busy yesterday, sick today.
I'm trying to figure out what we should be doing. I did not expect to end
up in Gal, and am actually able to support myself to hold there. It seems
unlikely that Gal-Bud would be successful (he'll probably order either Vie
S Bud, or Vie S Bud-Gal), so I'm kind of at a loss. I could try to move for
position (Gal-Bud, Ukr-Gal (Rum supports)) but that leaves me kind of
strung out, and probably antagonizes Tony, so I'd have to think about that.
What do you think?
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
Well, Andy is pushing me to support him into Ser with Bul and Rum, while
Philippe is telling me he'll give me Ser to prevent Andy from getting it.
I don't know how you feel about Italy holding Ser, but with his fleets,
if he builds a third (to my one), that'd be dicey.
You can always attack Rum with Gal or Ukr, and cut my support of Gre -
Ser. That would prevent Andy from getting a build.
Ben also mentioned that he'd prefer to keep Nwy. You're probably better
off going against Germany than England, anyway.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
I need to check with Russia to see what his plans are. I'm also a little
concerned about you getting that third fleet, without me having any.
Could you alay my fears somewhat?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
I promise to build a fleet this turn, no problem, and I'm not leaving
Bla as far as I can see.
I'll see about Ser. There's a lot of demand on it these days, and I'm
sure you understand.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
I'll mention it to Eric.
We're trying to divvy up Ser right now. I don't want Italy to build
another fleet, but I'd also rather keep working with him. I doubt those
two things will both happen. :-)
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> I need to check with Russia to see what his plans are. I'm also a little
> concerned about you getting that third fleet, without me having any.
> Could you alay my fears somewhat?
What would you like?
What can I do...we have a good thing going. I dont want to screw it up.
Andy
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> We're trying to divvy up Ser right now. I don't want Italy to build
> another fleet, but I'd also rather keep working with him. I doubt those
> two things will both happen. :-)
Hm. Well if you do antagonize Andy in favor of an RT you should be
prepared for the cry of "Juggernaut" to go up and the entire board to turn
against you and Eric.
One option is for you to permit Italy to become something of a sea power
while you become more of a land power. This would call for an eventual
attack of Russia, of course. Long term you *should* be able to control
Andy pretty well, though; you would have armies in VEN, BUD, etc., compared
to his fleets in TUN, ADR, and so on.
Good luck.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
What would I like? Can you proxy all your units and builds to me? :-))
No, seriously, just stay out of Aeg or Eas and we should be fine. Also,
I hope you understand if I need one fleet in the Med for self-defense.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
I think Andy and I should be ok for the moment. He does want Ser,
though, which I'm not a big fan of. I'll probably give it to him for
now, and then "ask" for it back later.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> No, seriously, just stay out of Aeg or Eas and we should be fine. Also,
> I hope you understand if I need one fleet in the Med for self-defense.
Not a problem. Can you give me 2 supports to Serbia.
It allows me to get position on Phillipe and hopefully next year, cede
Greece to you.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
2 supports ordered, no problem.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> 2 supports ordered, no problem.
thank you
Message from Russia to Turkey
> Well, Andy is pushing me to support him into Ser with Bul and Rum, while
> Philippe is telling me he'll give me Ser to prevent Andy from getting it.
>
> I don't know how you feel about Italy holding Ser, but with his fleets,
> if he builds a third (to my one), that'd be dicey.
Actually, there's an outside chance he'll get two builds without Ser. If
Philippe moves Tri again, Ven-Tri gets Andy a build.
In answer to your question, I think Andy growing that fast could be really
dangerous. I believe that he would probably move west with a fleet or two,
but he only needs to get as far Mar/Spa before setting up a stalemate line
and trying to hit you. In any case, if he gains Ser and builds a second army,
he can probably get into Tri and guarantee you can't retake Ser from him very
quickly.
> You can always attack Rum with Gal or Ukr, and cut my support of Gre -
> Ser. That would prevent Andy from getting a build.
But if I cut the support without attacking strongly (meaning, without
supporting myself) it will be obvious that the intent was to cut support for
Andy. He'll know we cooperated, at least in that he'll know you told me that
you were supporting him to Ser.
I gather you want him to think you are working with him, but I think that
this would be going to a lot of work to get nowhere. Right now it sounds like
Philippe is trying to keep Andy from growing. If we make it look like we're
fighting (which is what me tapping Rum would be), he (Philippe) may end up
needing to cut a deal with Andy. That would necessarily mean you losing Bul,
and probably Rum too.
> Ben also mentioned that he'd prefer to keep Nwy. You're probably better
> off going against Germany than England, anyway.
Yeah, Ben has said the same things to me. I'd be curious to hear your reasons
for thinking I'd be better off going against Germany. I'm not disagreeing
with you, but I know my own thinking is colored by being too close to the
situation, and obviously, Ben is biased as well.
I'm still not fully recovered yet, so I hope this all makes sense.
Thanks,
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
Well, it turns out that I decided to help Andy into Ser. That might come
back to haunt me, but I do plan to build F Smy regardless.
As for Ben, I'd say it's a lot easier for you to hold him off than
Germany. If he's down to 3 centers, he won't be able to backstop us
against France and Germany.
jason
Message from Russia to Turkey
Here's my concern: if you and I fight while Italy grows, then he'll be in the
driver's seat. It also means a very good chance that RT conflict is coming,
since it doesn't make sense for you to build up an opponent right before
attacking him. If we do end up fighting, while Andy has units in Ser, Ven and
probably Tyr, he'll get the lion's share of the Balkans, as well as being
able to draw out RT fighting by supporting whichever of us is doing worse.
Maybe I'm being alarmist, but can you help me understand how RT would go
forward if you get Andy into Ser? Or are you just trying to goad me into
tapping Rum? :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
Did I already mention the possibility of Rum-Ser, Bul S Rum-Ser, Gal/Ukr-Rum?
That would give you the build for F Smy, make sure that Andy cannot project
force north into the Balkans, and still leave us with a bunch of armies that
can combine to get you Gre, and then split the Austrian home centers among
us.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
Right now, Andy and I have a deal where he gets Ser and I get Gre. For
the moment, I'm happy with that. You and I have to deal with Austria and
Germany. In the future, I might reevaluate Andy.
jason
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Adriatic Sea
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → Sweden (*bounce*)
England: Army Yorkshire HOLD
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Army Munich → Ruhr
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
Germany: Army Belgium → Burgundy (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Fleet Denmark HOLD
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Army Ruhr → Holland
Italy: Army Greece → Serbia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Norway SUPPORT Fleet Sweden (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Army Norway (*cut*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia (*cut, destroyed*)
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