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Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
I'm confused. How do you expect to move against Italy
with an army? Having done your part, I was ready to do
mine; but while the plan was for you to take Sev & Gre,
it wasn't to get myself surrounded by turkish armies in
Sev, Bul & Gre.
Should I have taken the rumours of cooperation between
Italy & Turkey more seriously? Given our past discussions,
I had found them to be ludicrous.
Hope you can shed some light into the situation,
Philippe
Message from Austria to Turkey
(second copy, first one seem to be lost in space)
Hi Jason,
I'm confused. How do you expect to move against Italy
with an army? Having done your part, I was ready to do
mine; but while the plan was for you to take Sev & Gre,
it wasn't to get myself surrounded by turkish armies in
Sev, Bul & Gre.
Should I have taken the rumours of cooperation between
Italy & Turkey more seriously? Given our past discussions,
I had found them to be ludicrous.
Hope you can shed some light into the situation,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Interesting builds. Putting a lot of faith in Andy, huh?
At this point I'd like to repeat my comments about Austria and Italy
both preferring to see Turkey dead in a typical situation, especially
with Russia out of the picture. You have no defensible centers, and
you can't take Sev without support from Philippe, who is unlikely to
want to help you destroy a Russian unit that poses him no threat (F
Sev) on the eve of the Russian downfall.
I have already received the suggestion -- as I imagine you have as
well -- that I support you to Rum from Bul. That would be nice, but
if you took it it would mean that you had no units left to defend
your homeland. Instead, I would suggest that you consider
Arm-Bla-Rum. It's virtually guaranteed to succeed, since Philippe
will probably use Bud to take or support himself to Gal. It would
give you two armies on Philippe, hurts your strongest neighbor,
leaves an army to defend Smy if that's where Andy shoots for it, and
puts you in a dominant negotiating position.
I don't have a copy of my earlier message, which talked about
allowing you to take Sev. I should have clarified that I won't leave
Sev undefended, so in that sense I didn't mean that I will "let" you
take Sev. I was simply stating that if you get to the point where you
can attack Sev, and if Philippe assists you (a requirement for a
successful attack) then I would prefer to see you take it with a
fleet.
I hope this makes sense. Things could get very ugly very quickly for
the two of us if you let Andy and Philippe combine against us,
especially since I've given Philippe a clear path to one of my
centers!
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Italy
I appreciate your concern. Hopefully, he'll go to Gal in the spring. If
not, I'll know for certain.
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Sigh. I really should stick to E or F. Much easier openings.
So now what? Russia's still whining. Italy's whispering sweet nothings
about Austria coming after me. Austria's all freaked out about my build
(which was done to prevent a stab in Bul). I'd really prefer to get Sev
first, then go after Austria, but I'm not sure that's an option.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
I understand your concern, but I was hearing similar rumors of Ser S Rum
- Bul. I wanted to make sure to cover my bases.
For the Spring, I assume Sev is still on. Support Arm - Sev?
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Sorry for not responding earlier. I did get your messages, but I wanted
to wait until after the builds.
And yes, I have more faith in Andy than I do in Austria. :-)
I'm willing to make a deal: I'll take Sev in the spring, and hold it as
insurance for RT. I won't take Mos, and will run the Juggernaut. In the
fall, I'll attack Austria with you. You protect War from Austria, and we
roll west.
Obviously, if you try to protect Sev, you just lose War and hose us
both. You've stated plenty of scenarios before where we both lose. In
this one, I think we can both win.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Just wanted to check in with my alter-ego. Germany looks to be heading
west strongly. Are you guys going to be able to agree on Hol?
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Just wanted to check in with my alter-ego. Germany looks to be heading
> west strongly. Are you guys going to be able to agree on Hol?
Tony is as slippery as an eel. So no, not yet.
Concerning your earlier question, it is my sense - and I think this much
you already know - you will pretty much have to choose between good
relations with Austria and good relations with Italy. I do not know
whether you are going to be stabbed by Austria.
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Thanks for the clarification. As long as AI's not in the works, I'm happy.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Thanks for the clarification. As long as AI's not in the works, I'm happy.
My friend, I *never* said that. I do not know whether an AI is in the
works. But I stand by what I *did* say.
I'll keep you posted if I pick up anything else.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
I understand you would like to see me make the moves you suggest, but I
don't think it's rational. I cannot protect Gal from being occupied in
Spring, whether or not I save Sev in Spring. So sacrificing Sev in spring
makes no sense. I will order Sev S Arm-Con. If you really want to cooperate
against Austria, take that support. Since you can also support with Bul,
that should be successful, unless Austria does not attack me and supports
himself. And if Austria does not attack me, then he's attacking you, so
it's moot that you're moving on him.
I will not willingly give up Sev. Given the choice -- which I'll have as
long as Austria doesn't help you into Sev -- I'll support Sev in preference
to defending War. The point about taking Sev with a fleet assumes that
Austria is helping you take it, in which case I can't stop you.
--- Eric
Message from Master to all
Players,
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Message from Austria to Turkey
> I understand your concern, but I was hearing similar rumors of Ser S Rum
> - Bul. I wanted to make sure to cover my bases.
Then why not tell me so and why not "cover your bases"
with a fleet in Con instead of an army?
> For the Spring, I assume Sev is still on. Support Arm - Sev?
I'm sorry, but your decisions to become a land power
has serious implications for our cooperation. I'm not
saying that support into Sev this fall is out the question,
but it is certainly the case for this spring.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Turkey
> I appreciate your concern. Hopefully, he'll go to Gal in the spring. If
> not, I'll know for certain.
Most likely.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Austria's now completely paranoid about my army build. Apparently, he
sees enemies everywhere.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
I have to say, I don't understand your paranoia. I agree, an army was
slightly more threatening than a fleet, but it's not like I have a clear
avenue of attack from Con to Ser.
Frankly, your willingness to think the worst makes me wonder how
committed you were in the first place.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Very well, I need to make the offer, at least.
I'll accept support into Rum from Arm in the spring.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Austria's now completely paranoid about my army build. Apparently, he
> sees enemies everywhere.
>
With his previous behavior...this surprises you ..:-)
I think you need to watch out ...
take care
Andy
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Just reread my last press to you. Did I really say I'd support Arm-Con?
Duh! How embarrassing, and in front of all those witnesses too. At least
the judge won't process such an absurd command!
This is just to confirm that I will be ordering support for Arm-Rum. I
think taking that support will work well for you. I'm not yet convinced
that I'll end up in great shape (since it'll take me several years just to
get to Austria's borders through all those damned armies!), but it's better
than having you attacking me. And it puts us in good position for RT
cooperation that should leave you very comfortable that I won't be taking
advantage of you, since there's not much I could do against you even if I
wanted to!
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Turkey
Jason,
I'm under attack by Italy and my turkish ally prefer to build
an army instead of the fleet that could help us both (both
units being able to support Bul in case of doubt). Worst, he
has no use for this army beside using it to attack me
eventually. It doesn't matter how long it would take for this
to happen, the point is that it's no use against Italy and that
using this extra army against Russia would imply that you
prefer to block my own expansion instead of pursueing
yours.
Still wishing to pursue our alliance, I asked for more
explanation while saying no to the takeover of Sev in the
spring, punishing myself more then you since you can still
get the build while my support into Russia will be delayed.
Now you get back to me with this! Don't expect me to
dignify it with a response. If you really don't want to
pursue an alliance with me, then just say so; but if it's not
the case, I suggest that we work on solving our problem
instead of your trying to shift the blame on me.
Philippe
> I have to say, I don't understand your paranoia. I agree, an army was
> slightly more threatening than a fleet, but it's not like I have a clear
> avenue of attack from Con to Ser.
>
> Frankly, your willingness to think the worst makes me wonder how
> committed you were in the first place.
>
> jason
Message from France to all
Players:
I just moved, and Verizon messed up my DSL move order (big surprise), so
I'm without reliable internet access outside of work for the next two
weeks. I will be offline more or less all weekend this weekend and will
get back to everyone Monday morning (EST).
Erik
Message from Master to all
Players,
I'm extending the deadline due to lack of internet access by one of
your brethren.
Greg, GM
C2
p.s. Boo!
Message from Austria to all
Hi,
I would also like everyone to know that I'm leaving for
the week-end in a few hours and that I will reply to
messages when I get back,
Take care,
Philippe
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason...
The Austrian just sent me a note on his way out the door for the weekend,
instucting me that the only use of Greece that will be *NOT* be considered
an act of war would be to support him from RUM - BUL.
I asked him if just leaving were ok, and he said that I cant be trusted to
*just leave*.
just sharing what I hear.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
Yeah, he basically issued an ultimatim to me over the build. I think
he's got problems now.
Obviously, I'd prefer that you support Bul, but as long as you don't
support him, I'm cool. Either way, I think we have a much better angle
on cooperation now.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Obviously, I'd prefer that you support Bul, but as long as you don't
> support him, I'm cool. Either way, I think we have a much better angle
> on cooperation now.
No worries....
What is Bulgaria doing anyway.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Bul is supporting a convoy into Rum. Supposedly, so is Sev.
jason
Message from England to all
Greetings all.
I have been swamped at work & at home these last few days. If any of you
feels I owe you a press, or I haven't responded to something, please let me
know.
Apologies all around.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Did I ever reply to your last message? I think I did, but I don't
have historical records here. Sev S Arm-Rum is indeed ordered, and I
hope it will be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Assuming the move is successful -- which it should be -- then I will
probably ask for your support either defending Gal, or getting an
army into the northern Balkans, depending on the situation. Sound
good?
--- Eric
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
If AT really is falling apart, and you are planning on working with Russia.
Take care that you get the jump on him before he gets it on you - I am not
likely going to be much help to you unless you get the intiative, so keep
your eyes & ears open.
What's the status of those talks?
Ben
Message from Turkey to Russia
Yes, I did get your note, thanks. Everything's set to go. I should be
able to help you with Gal, no problem.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Right now, AT is off. Austria basically freaked when I built A Con. He
saw it as a direct threat. He then proceeded to tell Italy to support
him into Bul, or else. As much as I'd like to get Sev first, it's RT for
now.
Don't worry, I'll watch my back. Good luck over there.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Right now, AT is off. Austria basically freaked when I built A Con. He
> saw it as a direct threat. He then proceeded to tell Italy to support
> him into Bul, or else. As much as I'd like to get Sev first, it's RT for
> now.
That's fine. Keep me apprised, ok? RT means at some point I will have to
deal with Russia. It's no use to you if I am overrun, so keep me posted.
> Don't worry, I'll watch my back. Good luck over there.
Thanks. You too.
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
Jason,
Since it appear we aren't going to work together for the
moment, you should know that I will remained neutral
toward you in the hope that we can renew our alliance
later on, the soonest the better as far as I'm concerned.
Of course, if you decide to go against me, directly or by
supporting someone else, then I will feel free to pursue
any strategy I feel appropriate.
Regards,
Philippe.
P.-S. If you are working with Italy as I fear, please think
hard about where it will get you. While short term deal
with no future can be usefull to Andy, I'm not so sure it
would be for you, especially since he's the one who can
easily move against you.
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia
Austria: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Adriatic Sea (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Denmark (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Norway → Skagerrak
England: Army Yorkshire HOLD
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
France: Army Paris → Picardy
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Germany: Army Belgium → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Munich (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Denmark → North Sea (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Munich → Ruhr
Italy: Army Greece SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice HOLD
Russia: Army Moscow → Ukraine
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol SUPPORT Turkish Army Armenia → Rumania
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Ukraine → Galicia
Turkey: Army Armenia → Black Sea → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea CONVOY Army Armenia → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Armenia → Rumania (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
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