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Message from England to Turkey
Greetings Turk. I write you, my most distant neighbor, first - we have Russia in common & of course we are both interested in the plans of all our neighbors in between.
So I hope you and I will correspond often & may it bring us both many dots.
Here we go!
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
Good Afternoon.
I have no interest in fighting with you. As long as I dont see a strong RT
coming at me.
I hope you would want to keep lines of communication open.
Let me know your thoughts.
Take care
Andy
Message to all
Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
ID Email Name JDPR Rating JDPR
Games JDPR Rank
1791 ericg (at) mac.com Eric Goodman 1349.00 5
288 8 0 8.00
What is Jason's JDPR? I couldnt find him.
This must be our Benjamin:
ID Email Name JDPR Rating JDPR Games JDPR Rank RR Games RR Resignations
RR Ratio
6887 benjamin.harris (at) mindspring.com Ben Harris 1012.00 4 3835 4 0
4.00
Message from Germany to all
Greetings all, Just thought that I would let you know that I wish to solo
and that I hope to have a good time whilst doing so.
I will have to make Belgium my 18th SC as England has desires for it. It is
negotiable according to England but hey
if he wants it then I will take Beligium last. It wont matter then.
Anyone else have any wishes. If not then all just vote me the winner and we
can move on.
I am easy, if two of you have the same solo wish then hey lets compromise
;-)
May you all live for as long as you want and never want for as long as you
live.
Tony
p.s. Its bedtime here in holland (Ben its 00:03 a.m. now), will get back to
A,T, R tomorrow.
Message from Master to all
Players,
The game has now started, powers have been assigned and the opening
salvos have been fired. I think we've got a great group of players in
this game, so I'm sure it will be a great experience for all of you
and for our commentators.
One of our players will be gone for a week from the 10th to the 18th.
I'm hoping that we can complete our first year before that hiatus.
Just to let you know, right now we've got over twenty commentators. I
expect that a few more will trickle in over the next few days.
Also, each Spring, as early as I can, I'm going to broadcast the
following message. After the first few years, I might cut back to once
every second year. I just want to make sure no one forgets about this.
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Players,
Please keep in mind that if you'd like to share your plans, strategy
and whatnot with the commentators, you can do that by sending press to
yourself. That way the commentators will see your comments, but other
players will not. If you send "press to o", anyone can see your
comments by requesting a history of the game. If you send "press to
m", I will see your comments but the commentators will not.
You are not required to share information with the commentators, but
you are encouraged to do so.
Greg, GM
C2
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I'd like to wish everyone the best of luck in the game - have a great
game everyone.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Russia to all
>[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
>Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
huh?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Turkey
Sultan Jason,
Greetings from the north. So what's your pleasure? Bounce in Bla?
Steamroll to the west? Some combination?
I've heard only the barest peep from our mutual westward neighbors so
have no idea what they are planning. Andy's a player of some repute
-- more a FtF player I gather, but still someone that judge players
are quite in awe of. Philippe's name is very familiar sounding to me,
but to be honest, I know little of him as a player and don't have
time at the moment to do any research. I'm a fairly new player -- at
least in number of games played. I did well in my first two (newbie)
games, and have had mixed success and failure since. How about you?
You've got the benefit of a nice corner position, but the downside is
that RIA frequently head straight for it in some combination, and you
need some hard to acquire units to get you a real defense. A
juggernaut can be quite effective for both of us, getting us both
started and headed west pretty quickly, me with enough northern
forces to make a show in Scandinavia, you with enough fleets to hold
off the inevitable Italian swarm.
Let me know what you think of things and how you'd like to cooperate.
While we have some time before we need to really commit to anything,
I find it's always nice to have done some talking before the
you-know-what hits the fan.
--- Tzarface
Message from England to all
> This must be our Benjamin:
> Ben Harris 1012.00
I just want to point out, that my JDPR is within several percentage points
of Andy's, at 1085. Therefore I am pretty much as good as Andy Bartalone,
who is well known in some circles as a player who uses ellipses very
frequently. . .
Also I want to point out that Greg's JDPR of 1431 is highest of all of us,
and I think we should gang up on him and fix the game settings so we all
solo.
Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.
Thank you.
Ben
Message to all
> >[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
> >Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
>
> Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
> stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
> huh?
No.....Eric Hunter played Russia in the first game...not Eric Goodman...
But Eric is every bit as good as his namesake.
Message from Italy to all
>
> > This must be our Benjamin:
> > Ben Harris 1012.00
>
> I just want to point out, that my JDPR is within several percentage points
> of Andy's, at 1085. Therefore I am pretty much as good as Andy Bartalone,
> who is well known in some circles as a player who uses ellipses very
> frequently. . .
Be careful what you say.....everyone here knows that I suck at this game.
> Also I want to point out that Greg's JDPR of 1431 is highest of all of us,
> and I think we should gang up on him and fix the game settings so we all
> solo.
Ok....I dont want to be part of that.....see Greg...I am not a
mutineer...:-)
> Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
> case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.
That would be Lambic.
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Greetings, all. Hope everyone is enjoying the start of the game. We
managed to have 40 or so commentators for the first game, so hopefully
we can get that many again.
I'm Jason Bennett, and while I don't have a JDPR, I have played in 11
judge games (including some Modern games), as well as games on Dip2000
and Redscape, so I have some experience under my belt. I was also a
commentator for the first game in this series, so I got to see Andy pull
Austria out of the fire and into a nice draw.
As Turkey, I don't tend to go for a pure RT, but until I hear from
Austria, it looks like Russia may be the better ally. See the
just-finished nidhoegg on USDP (where I was Austria) for an excellent
example of how Turkey can play AT off against one another. Not pretty.
I'll do my best to stay in contact with everyone, although I do tend to
fall off after a few seasons. It's hard to press everyone when you
really don't have anything to say!
Enjoy the game, all.
jason
Message from Turkey to all
Good to hear from everyone. I'm afraid I don't have a JDPR, although
it's not for lack of trying! All my games have completed since Jan 1 of
this year.
Looking forward to it....
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Good to hear from you!
As you say, we're distance, but it's important that we stay in good
contact, for the day when we can help one another significantly!
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Good to hear from you.
I'm glad to hear you're looking for peace. Obviously, if we're not going
to fight, that leaves you with France or Austria to direct your
attention against. If you're thinking Austria, I'm sure we can work
together. If it's France, we should make sure to give each other room to
work.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Thanks for your quick and incisive note.
For starters, I'd prefer to bounce in Bla, if only to build up trust
between us. We can also head west, although we should keep any alliance
between us under wraps for as long as possible. Nothing galvanizes the
other powers as much as the cry of "Juggernaught!"
Austria hasn't said a thing to me yet, so I doubt he's talked with Italy
and Germany. I'll make sure to say hi and feel him out.
I assume we'll head for our usual positions in the first year and let
things ride from there. I assume you'll bounce in Gal with Austria to start?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Greetings, fine Austria!
Since AT always have a touchy relationship, I thought it important to
get in touch with you immediately, so we can work out a solid agreement.
If we want, we can work well together, with you on land and me at sea
moving west across the continent.
Let me know what you think of this vision, and I'd be happy to discuss
it further.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Good to hear from you.
Thank you.
> I'm glad to hear you're looking for peace. Obviously, if we're not going
> to fight, that leaves you with France or Austria to direct your
> attention against. If you're thinking Austria, I'm sure we can work
> together. If it's France, we should make sure to give each other room to
> work.
Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
think we can get the Russian on board....
Message from Turkey to Italy
> Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
> think we can get the Russian on board....
I think that might work well. I've already heard from thr Russian, so I
should be able to talk to him. I assume after we did that, it would free
you to focus on the west?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> > Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
> > think we can get the Russian on board....
>
> I think that might work well. I've already heard from thr Russian, so I
> should be able to talk to him. I assume after we did that, it would free
> you to focus on the west?
And you to focus on Russia.
Message from Russia to all
> > >[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
> > >Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
> >
> > Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
> > stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
> > huh?
>
>No.....Eric Hunter played Russia in the first game...not Eric Goodman...
>
>But Eric is every bit as good as his namesake.
Lemme 'splain, 'cuz youse havin some trouble gettin' dem fax straight, see.
#1- I'm Eric. That other Eric, I'm his namesake. Just 'cuz he's been dippin
longer dan me an doin bedder dan me don't make him da original guy.
#2- Da first inkwyry was askin' if da' guy playin' Russia (dat's me,
comrade) is da same guy whatz got da ID dat he showed in da broadcast.
Since I'z da guy what used ta have da "@mac.com" moniker, he was inkwyrin'
about me, not dat udder Eric guy.
#3- Since I'z da one what said I'z da' guy what da udder guy was askin'
about, whatcha' doin' contradiktin' me in fronna' my whole family fer?
Alla dis disrepectin, an ya ain't even got da constatushun ta come out an
talk ta me face ta face. Sheesh! Watz da world comin' to, anyway?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Turkey
>I assume we'll head for our usual positions in the first year and let
>things ride from there.
Sounds good. Not bouncing causes all sorts of sirens to go off anyway, as
you note.
>I assume you'll bounce in Gal with Austria to start?
Have not heard from Austria, so do not know. Not knowing, cannot say.
(Sorry, B5 allusion there).
We'll see what he asks for. If he requests a DMZ rather than a bounce, then
I'll have to consider it. But I'm ceratinly expecting a bounce.
Gotta run for now. More later!
--- Eric
Message from Germany to all
> Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.<
Ah, you mean a case of the "forbidden drink", consider it done. Thank you for giving me BEL as my 18th center.
Message from Germany to Turkey
Hi Jason, glad to hear you are not the "jason" aka Jason Whitby.
So fellow witch, how are negotiations going? when playing Turkey I always try to get the juggernaut off to a good start. It is also in my interest that that is the case this time. Not that my interest is your top priority but in this case we have a mutual interest in a good old RT alliance.
He may want to open north and I dont mind him opening north. Lets keep each other informed. I have spoken to both AI and they do seem friendly towards each other, be careful out there.
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
I look forward to working with you. My first priority
in the near future will be survival, but provided I can
achieve this, I should be available to further whatever
plan of yours that doesn't target me.
Afterall, collaboration with Turkey is alot safer then
with Italy or Russia since you are farther away (a new
Italian units will take one turn to reach my homeland
while a Russian one will need two and yours three).
The Balkan question will have to be resolve of course;
but since the natural gains of 1901 are Tunis for Italy,
Serbia for Austria, Bulgaria for Turkey & Sweden for
Russia, we are left with 2 sc to split between us. Russia
might consider Rumania to be his, but I don't see what
right a 4 sc power has of becoming a 6 sc power by
limiting at least one of us to only 4 sc.
Philippe.
P.-S. Having you sail west is fine by me, but I would
suggest making sure no surprise come out of Sevastopol
before that.
Message from Turkey to Austria
Good to hear from you.
As you say, the 1901 gains are fairly standard. Hopefully, we can then
come to an understanding on Greece and Rumania. Of course, I'll be in a
much better position to consider Rumania if Italy doesn't try anything
silly. :-)
I'm talking with Russia, but I'll cover myself as well. I don't see any
reason to give him another advantage.
jason
Message from Turkey to Germany
Thanks for your note.
Russia and I have been talking, but I'm not too high on a full RT
alliance. Too many people looking for it, and ready to scream about it.
Don't worry, I'm covering my back, and I'll see what I can do about
Leptanoism.
jason
Message from Turkey to France
Good France,
I wanted to make sure to send you a note, if only to cover all my bases.
Of course, your stance toward Italy also interests me, but then again
a full French attack on Italy is so rare.
Let me know how EFG is doing, and I'll try to keep you up to date on
ART. So far, of course, things are only getting ramped up over here.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> As you say, the 1901 gains are fairly standard. Hopefully, we can then
> come to an understanding on Greece and Rumania. Of course, I'll be in a
> much better position to consider Rumania if Italy doesn't try anything
> silly. :-)
Of course, if Russia is quickly dealt with, who care what silly
moves Italy makes ;-) Without a two front war, Turkey is
quite safe from italian naval ambition.
> I'm talking with Russia, but I'll cover myself as well. I don't see any
> reason to give him another advantage.
Sure, no problem. I'm not going to push for anything here. I'm
just letting you know what is possible. When you feel that
attacking another is the thing to do, just let me know and I
will see what part I can play in your plan.
Philippe.
P.-S. In a split of Rumania and Greece, I have no preference.
Rumania can be a nice place from wich to launch an invasion
of Russia and Greece sure is a nice place to station a fleet.
Message from Germany to Turkey
Hi Jason, thanks for the press. A little surprised to hear that RT are not off to a full blown partnership.
The BLA bounce is a must in any scenario. Austria is a little weary of his neighbours to the point of paranoia.
Have you heared from him?
Italy says he hasnt which leads me to belive that either AR, FT or AT are off to a good start or Italy is lying about Austria. See how this fits in with your information. I can only pass on what i hear.
As we form no threat to each other we should keep each other informed of all minor details.
If you are not certain of the RT alliance then maybe italys comments mean something. An AT relation is a strange one indeed so draw your own conclusions. As stated I prefer an RT alliance right now. But maybe AR know something we dont. Keep in touch.
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> As you say, we're distance, but it's important that we stay in good
> contact, for the day when we can help one another significantly!
To a certain extent that day has already come. For instance, I can tell you
some things you may not know.
Andy Bartalone in Italy is an absolute top rank player. He is outstanding.
Ignore this garbage about JDPR's, it doesn't mean anything for some players
& he's one of them.
Let me know what you hear from Austria & Russia as their play in the east
will ripple into the west. For now we are still exchanging pleasantries
over here, if you can call the weird broadcasts pleasantries.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Okay,
Finally heard from Austria. He has requested a DMZ, so I'll likely go with
that, though it means I'll need to be a little cautious in case he tries to
take it. So I'll probably set up to take Rum while still having a good shot
at defending War if necessary.
Sound good? I'll be in touch some more as the week rolls on, but just
wanted to keep you up to date on my planning.
--- Tzarface
Message from Germany to Turkey
Just gonna ride out the storm hey and pick up the pieces ;-)
How are things down there.
Message from France to Turkey
Jason:
Good to hear from you. Cross-board talk is always welcome; I'll try to
stay in touch as much as I can.
Gotta tell you, though, that early signs for you look bad. I could be
completely misinformed, but I think there's already talk of RAI
cooperation. Austria thinks that he and Italy are on good terms, and
Russia hasn't expressed much interest in heading north. You need to find a
regional friend fast. I have been trying to provoke animosity between AI,
but don't know if I've been successful. RAI is pretty bad for me, too,
because it usually means an early attack from Italy.
As for me -- my stance toward Italy is one of caution, given the history
I've got with Andy so far. You're right -- the early attack is rare, and
for good reason. Depending on how things shake out with EG, though, I
might be able to apply some pressure there if you need it. I should know
how things are shaking down here shortly -- just lots of Belgium-related
talk so far.
Just let me know how your negotiations are going, and I'll keep feeding
you whatever I hear. I'd hate to see you go down early.
Erik
Message from Turkey to Russia
Thanks for the update. Good luck keeping Austria in his place.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Good to hear from you again.
I'm getting mixed signals over here. AIR all seem to be friendly to me,
but France is telling me that they're all out to get me. Not sure where
the truth lies.
Thanks for the info on Andy. I watched him in the last game, and was
quite impressed with his performance. I'll certainly keep my eye on him.
jason
Message from Turkey to Germany
Appreciate the reply.
I have heard from Austria, and he does seem a little twitchy, but then
again who isn't? :-)
France is telling me that AIR are going in together, so I'm not sure
exactly what to believe. Anything you can pass on about that would be
appreciated.
jason
Message from Turkey to France
Good to hear from you, and I appreciate the warning.
So far, AIR all seem individually friendly, but of course that can
change in an instant. I don't think they're planning on coming after me
together, but they might draw that conclusion separately.
Good luck out there in the west. I'll try and keep in touch.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Your plan for the Balkans certainly sounds like an excellent idea. Let's
make sure to keep on top of it, once the initial moves are through.
jason
Message from Russia to Turkey
Sultan Jason,
I'm getting more and more interested in RT cooperation as I get hints of
what's going on to the west. What's your take on things? Do you mind
sharing your thoughts on how the other players are aligned? I get the sense
that there are strong alliances forming to the north and the west.
Thanks for anything you can shed light on.
--- Tzarface
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
So, how's you negociation been going? Has Russia
professed his intent to leave the Black Sea alone
and sung the joy of the Juggernaut alliance yet ;-)
For my part, I think I was able to insure I wasn't
going to fall early, so our discussions aren't going to
be a big waste of time for you.
Best regards,
Philippe
Message from Germany to Turkey
Hi Jason, France has said many things. He continuously warns me that Italy
sees me as a big threat and doesnt trust me.
As for the AIR, this seems very unlikely. By now I would have thought that
you, Italy and Russia had already shared all Austrian SC's amongst you.
I did hear from Italy, he informed me that you were very quiet. How are
negotiations going with IR?
Tony
Message from England to all
Gentlemen -
I have out of town company this weekend & will not likely be available
until about 36 hour from now. Which is roughly a day and a half, in Tony's
time.
Thank you for your patience.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Russia
Tsar,
I'm getting various signals from the west. Austria seems to have some
sort of alliance under his belt, as he's confident of survival, but I
couldn't say what it is (Leptano?) France is casting gloom and doom
everywhere, but EFG seems up in the air. Germany actually said that he
wants RT! Italy has been friendly, but I know he's a devious sort as well.
Right now, I'm hoping the openings reveal more than talk alone, but that
remains to be seen. I'm certainly happy to work with you. Let's stick to
our current plan, as I've been downplaying RT to everyone, and see where
it takes us.
jason
Message from Turkey to Germany
Thanks for letting me know about Italy. We've talked some, but I'll make
sure to drop him another note.
Otherwise, negotiations seem to be going well. As I said before,
everyone's fairly friendly at the outset. Both I and R have similar
designs on the middle, but Austria is claiming to have made some sort of
breakthrough in talks to secure his future, but I have no idea what that
means.
How goes EFG?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Good to hear from you.
Russia has been friendly, but I'm being cautious, as I should. RT is
more myth than fact, anyway.
Glad to hear that you've secured your future. Where that does leave you
free to turn?
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Germany mentioned that you felt I had been very quiet, so I wanted to
make sure that you didn't think I was avoiding you because of my devious
plan to destroy you! :-)
As I mentioned before, I'm very happy to work with you to secure the
Balkans. Austria is telling me that he has done something to secure his
future, but obviously I have no idea what that means. Have you and he
come to some sort of agreement?
jason
Message from Germany to Turkey
EFG is on hold. England is away. We all seem to mistrust each other. I guess
it will be just standard openings to await what happens.
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Russia has been friendly, but I'm being cautious, as I should. RT is
> more myth than fact, anyway.
It sometime work for Russia, rarely for Turkey.
> Glad to hear that you've secured your future. Where that does leave you
> free to turn?
Anywhere. I made sure I would have a future, not that
it would be a prosperous one. Once I see that my
efforts to prevent my quick elimination have paid up,
then I will be free to improve my lot.
In the mean time, I would appreciate your letting me
know more about your own position. For example,
we have discussed Rumania & Greece, but your
position is still unclear. I told you I have no preference
between either of them, but if Rumania is not open
because it's not going to be constested to Russia, then
I would hope to get Greece without risking a conflict
with you.
At the moment, we are far from the "solid agreement"
you talked about and I hope it's not because it's been
made with someone else ;-)
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
> In the mean time, I would appreciate your letting me
> know more about your own position.
I understand your concern. Briefly, I don't have any solid agreements
right now, just a bunch of we'll-see's and hope-so's. Russia and I are
bouncing in BLA, so he won't be taking Rum in the spring. If you want to
try for it in the fall, I'm more than happy for you to have it and I
take Greece.
Obviously, if Russia gets Rum and you get Ser and Gre, that leaves me at
somewhat of a disadvantage. I'd prefer to avoid that.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> I understand your concern. Briefly, I don't have any solid agreements
> right now, just a bunch of we'll-see's and hope-so's. Russia and I are
> bouncing in BLA, so he won't be taking Rum in the spring. If you want to
> try for it in the fall, I'm more than happy for you to have it and I
> take Greece.
Thing is, without a commitment to war against Russia
on your part, I don't see myself contesting Rumania.
> Obviously, if Russia gets Rum and you get Ser and Gre, that leaves me at
> somewhat of a disadvantage. I'd prefer to avoid that.
I would also prefer we both get 2 builds, but without
some kind of plan for Rumania, it's not going to happen.
So, what are you suggesting? Would you prefer we both
get to be 4 sc power while Russia goes from 4 to 6?
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
There's no plan for Rumania that I can see that will guarantee us both 2
builds. Even if you move to Bud and Ser, Russia can bounce you with Sev
and Ukr. If I support you from Bul, I don't get Gre.
Obviously, we can do the reverse (you get Gre, I get Rum) if you move
Tri to Alb. That also assumes you aren't bouncing Russia in Gal.
Without knowing how you and Russia will move in the spring, it's hard to
plan.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
I'm afraid you're right about us getting two build each this
year being unprobable. When I wrote it, I forgot that it
implied your getting in the Black Sea, sorry about that. At
most, we can hope to balance things out within a few years.
Still, what do we do? If we only play the wait and see game,
handling Russia won't get easier. He will expand faster then
us, or at least one of us, and be able to count on Italy.
I kind of see three possibilities:
-One of us get Greece and the other hope the build is going
to be use against Russia instead of himself.
-We make sure of remaining on equal footing for the moment
by bouncing over Greece.
-We agree right away on an anti-russian strategy that would
block his expansion and allow us to make gains at his expense.
In case you wonder, I would be ok with your getting Sev & Gre
while I get Rum and your assistance to pursue into Russia.
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> I'm getting mixed signals over here. AIR all seem to be friendly to me,
> but France is telling me that they're all out to get me. Not sure where
> the truth lies.
I do not need to tell you that AIR v. T is a common combination. I do not
have any special knowledge of it, though, here. What of the Black Sea,
then? If you are worried about an AIR then I think your best hope is to
hold them all off as long as possible & see if they start to fall on each
other, or something like that. I'd be glad to help you sort truth from
fiction if there are things you want me to bounce off some of your
neighbors.
> Thanks for the info on Andy. I watched him in the last game, and was
> quite impressed with his performance. I'll certainly keep my eye on him.
Peaceful coexistence between Turkey and Italy is difficult, I think
possible only where one commits to being an army power & the other a sea
power. It's tricky.
I wish I had good information for you but the Eastern powers have been
pretty quiet about their plans. Oh well.
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
I think the AIR thing is just talk on France's part. Russia and I are
bouncing in BLA, and Austria is doing everything he can to get me to
attack Russia with him.
Italy seems to be complaining that I'm quiet, but I haven't heard from
him in days. Not sure what he's up to. Hopefully nothing with Russia. :-)
Hang tight over there. I'll let you know if FG says anything of interest.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
If you're ok giving me Sev and Gre, I'm more than happy to work with you
on Rum and beyond. I'll certainly make sure to put my builds to good use.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Germany mentioned that you felt I had been very quiet, so I wanted to
> make sure that you didn't think I was avoiding you because of my devious
> plan to destroy you! :-)
I understand. And no, I dont think you are going to destroy me. As a
matter of fact, I think we can work together come this fall.
> As I mentioned before, I'm very happy to work with you to secure the
> Balkans. Austria is telling me that he has done something to secure his
> future, but obviously I have no idea what that means. Have you and he
> come to some sort of agreement?
In his eyes....he probably has.
Lets talk after the first set of moves.
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
> If you're ok giving me Sev and Gre, I'm more than happy to work with you
> on Rum and beyond. I'll certainly make sure to put my builds to good use.
Then we go anti-russian right away. You open to arm and position
yourselves for getting Sev next year and we work on Rumania this
year. Next year, Greece and Sev are taken by you, balancing the
fact I may get one more sc then you in 1901, and the years after
you support me in Moscow, balancing things out yet again.
Is that the way you were seeing it or do you have a better plan?
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> I think the AIR thing is just talk on France's part. Russia and I are
> bouncing in BLA, and Austria is doing everything he can to get me to
> attack Russia with him.
I wouldn't doubt the sincerity of his intentions, based on things I've
recently heard elsewhere. He may want agreement from you before he
commits. May not be such a bad thing - A/T alliances are pretty favorable
to the Sultan normally.
> Italy seems to be complaining that I'm quiet, but I haven't heard from
> him in days. Not sure what he's up to. Hopefully nothing with Russia. :-)
Heh.
> Hang tight over there. I'll let you know if FG says anything of interest.
Thanks. I'm particularly curious about Germany.
Good luck, & let me know if there's something you'd like me to mention to
one of your neighbors.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Austria
Hmmm, interesting plan.
I had though more of opening to Bul, Bla and Con, and in the fall,
supporting you into Rum while going for Bla. Either you get Rum or I get
Bla, and my builds let me go after Russia. Opening to Arm seems very
obvious. We might not want to let Russia know what's on immediately.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> I had though more of opening to Bul, Bla and Con, and in the fall,
> supporting you into Rum while going for Bla. Either you get Rum or I get
> Bla, and my builds let me go after Russia. Opening to Arm seems very
> obvious. We might not want to let Russia know what's on immediately.
I don't think there's any element of surprise to lose here. With
or without a move to Arm, Russia usually support himself to
Rumania and cooperation is needed to blocked it.
Also, if you only go with the moves to Bul & Con, it will be
hard for me to risk attacking Russia when you can simply
ditch me and go for Gre & Bul. Remember, I'm not the one
with the strong defensive position here.
Getting back to tactics, there's also good reasons for going to
Arm instead of Con. Once Russia see the attack, the move to
Arm won't be a sure thing anymore and will probably need to
be supported to succeed, delaying your expansion. Also, your
presence in Arm this spring will complicate Russia's defence,
wich make sure of the Black Sea and give us a very good
chance of getting Rumania (compare to only hoping for one or
the other). Lastly, there's not much use for the move to Con,
except to give you the option of ditching me. I don't see how
an army in Greece can be of assistance in your invasion the
Med. and a fleet in Sev sure won't be able to support my
progress in Russia.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Very well then, A Smy - Arm is ordered.
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Well, now that my moves are finalized, I guess a little commentary is in
order.
Austria is really annoying me, but frankly AT is way better for me than
RT. If I can pull off IT, then I can take out Russia, then take out
Austria, and end up with 10 SCs and the entire east wall to play with.
I'd really prefer to keep my options open for a season or two, instead
of going after Russia immediately, but I can't afford to alienate
Austria, and I'm not interested in running RT much, anyway. I'm fairly
confident this will all work out in the end.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Very well then, A Smy - Arm is ordered.
OK. If there's anything else you wish to discuss, let me know.
Philippe.
P.-S. Heard anything interesting regarding the rest of the board?
Message from Turkey to Austria
I've heard from everyone else a little bit, but nothing too surprising.
EFG seem somewhat divided, so I'm not sure who's going after whom. Italy
has talked some, but nothing in-depth. Russia, of course, has been
asking me to work with him.
So, you do seem secure for the first few turns, at least.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> I've heard from everyone else a little bit, but nothing too surprising.
> EFG seem somewhat divided, so I'm not sure who's going after whom. Italy
> has talked some, but nothing in-depth. Russia, of course, has been
> asking me to work with him.
>
> So, you do seem secure for the first few turns, at least.
Glad to hear it :-) England did say he might be able to go
after Russia; but I suppose it all depend on what happen
west.
Philippe
Message from England to all
Greetings one and all. Company's gone & the house is quiet, but tomorrow
will probably be pretty busy, so forgive me if response time lags.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Sultan Jason,
>Germany actually said that he wants RT!
He does? It would be good if he told me that! That's (RT) my inclination
too, but he's been pressing me pretty hard NOT to attack Austria.
--- Tzarface
Message from Turkey to Russia
Well, it's Germany's job to tell you not to attack Austria. As Austria
goes, so goes Germany.
jason
Message from France to Turkey
Jason:
The word on the street is that you're taking a wait-and-see approach to
the first turn. While I can understand this, I think you out to consider
being a little more proactive with your neighbors. In the past couple of
days, I've heard various accounts of GI cooperation, AI cooperation, IR
cooperation, and even talk of a central alliance. The only thing I know
for sure is that there's been a lot of press between Germany, Austria and
Italy.
Frankly, I don't want to see you eliminated early by some combination of
AIRT. If Austria and Italy are working together, Italy's main target is
going to be me as soon as you're gone. You're the only other power on the
board other than me who can keep Italy from becoming a major Mediterranean
power, and I'd hate to have to take him on without any chance of support
from you. It's in my interest to see you survive -- we can be of great use
to each other later on.
Maybe I'm completely wrong here and you've been actively negotiating all
sorts of deals, but if I'm not, please think about what I've said and get
on the horn with your neighbors. I've sent plenty of press to all of them,
so if there's a particular angle your pushing for, I can certainly try to
help you out. Just let me know.
Erik
Message from Turkey to France
Interesting word on the street, but don't worry, I've been doing some
talking of my own. Just keep them busy between themselves, and I'll keep
on the horn over here.
Thanks for keeping me in the loop.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
Do you mind if I ask, what did you decide to do, vis a vis Austria? I hear
he's been a pain in the behind for Italy, which may make him a good ally for
you. On the other hand, as far as I know he's being a pain in the butt for
you, too.
Just curious, as we wait for the moves to process.
Ben
Message from Germany to Turkey
It was nice knowing you ;-) good luck.
Message from Germany to all
OK, so here it is. MUN - BUR (agreed bounce with France), KIE - DEN (on
request), BER - KIE. Pretty standard opening I would say. Anyone else like
to share?
Message from Italy to Turkey
Howdy
You need to bounce the Austrian out of Greece in the fall. He is holding
me in check so he wont have a supported attack on Greece.
Can you do that?
Andy
Message from Turkey to England
Good to hear from you.
The plan, which I trustyou'll keep to yourself, is to attack Russia off
the bat with Austria, then take out Austria with Italy. Hopefully, I'll
end up with 8-10 centers, and one flank completely anchored on the edge
of the board.
He pressed me quite strongly for a plan, so I'll work with him until I
need to go through him.
jason
Message from Turkey to Germany
Thanks, take care yourself.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Thanks for your note.
Don't worry, Austria won't get Greece in the fall. I'll guarantee that.
Germany sent me a note basically saying "you're toast." I assume he
thinks AIR is coming for me. Any reason he might think this?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Hey,
Germany just sent me a note basically saying that I'm dead meat. I
assume he thinks AIR (or some portion) are coming for me. Any reason he
might think that?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Thanks for your note.
>
> Don't worry, Austria won't get Greece in the fall. I'll guarantee that.
>
> Germany sent me a note basically saying "you're toast." I assume he
> thinks AIR is coming for me. Any reason he might think this?
He seems to think that I am working with Austria...which I have done my
best to make him believe.
He is deadmeat.
Message from England to Turkey
Sultan -
> The plan, which I trustyou'll keep to yourself, is to attack Russia off
> the bat with Austria, then take out Austria with Italy. Hopefully, I'll
> end up with 8-10 centers, and one flank completely anchored on the edge
> of the board.
I am ecstatic about your plan. I could not, as England, ask for more from
Turkey. I will certainly keep it to myself and aid you where I can.
> He pressed me quite strongly for a plan, so I'll work with him until I
> need to go through him.
Outstanding. Just let me know what to do.
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Germany just sent me a note basically saying that I'm dead meat. I
> assume he thinks AIR (or some portion) are coming for me. Any reason he
> might think that?
I think he's having fun with us. He told me of rumours of Juggernaut.
For what it's worth, I didn't tell anyone about our plan and if you
didn't, then the rest of the board is in for a big surprise (I know that
you told England a bit about us, but I'm hoping you didn't share too
much).
I'm glad that you did ask though, because I was going to ask you
about the Juggernaut after having ask what other heard; and if you
don't mind I would appreciate your forwarding what Germany sent
you.
If others are trying to play mind game with us, I suggest we take
notice and prepare ourselves to return the favor down the road ;-)
I'm sure an opportunity to do so will present itselft.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Good to hear from you. I mentioned a little bit to England, but our main
plan is safe.
Don't worry, there's no juggernaut. RT works well for R, not so much for
T. All Germany said to me was "it was nice knowing you." Not exactly
insightful. :-)
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Glad to hear we're on the same page. For right now, just make sure FG
don't take you out. :-) I'll also need you to go through Nwy to StP to
finish off Russia, and possibly get me into Mos. After that, we should
have a good anchor around three edges of the board.
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
This should be my last note before the turn runs. Everything should be
in place. Russia goes down first, followed by Austria (with Germany
somewhere in there), and then Italy. It may be a 3-way, a 2-way, or a
solo, but however you count it, if I can get as far as Ser-Bud-War-Mos,
I'm likely to be included in any result.
Not sure what Germany's game is. He claims I'm dead, Italy claims he's
dead. Either way, I'm happy with my opening position. This is probably
the furthest out I've planned in a while.
Let's run that turn!
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
I sent Austria a note saying I'd heard from you & you'd shown some distrust
of Russia. That's all I said about the note from you, but I think it may
come back around, so I wanted you to know what I'd written.
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Good to hear from you. I mentioned a little bit to England, but our main
> plan is safe.
Good to hear.
> Don't worry, there's no juggernaut. RT works well for R, not so much for
> T. All Germany said to me was "it was nice knowing you." Not exactly
> insightful. :-)
OK. Let him have is fun, we will have ours later on ;-)
Philippe
Message from Russia to Turkey
Sultan Jason,
It's been a while so I'm dropping a line. At this point, I've agreed to a
DMZ in Gal with Austria, as Germany made honoring the DMZ a requirement for
getting Swe in Fall. Other than that, there's not a lot going on.
Let me know if there's anything you'd like to go over.
--- Tzarface
Message from Turkey to Russia
Good to hear from you. I think we're set for the spring. Hopefully
everyone will get their orders in and get things going.
jason
Message to all
> OK, so here it is. MUN - BUR (agreed bounce with France), KIE - DEN (on
> request), BER - KIE. Pretty standard opening I would say. Anyone else like
> to share?
Can we expect you to keep this up?
Message from Germany to all
<Can we expect you to keep this up?>
Who are 'we'? some of you can some of you cant. Those that expect will
receive ;-)
So, no one else willing to lie.. I mean share their opening moves?
Turkey; just to save on press and answer in this one, the answer is NO.
I will not be asking France and Italy to convoy me to SMY nor will I aid in
any EFI convoy of a Russian unit from STP to CON.
Message from England to all
> I will not be asking France and Italy to convoy me to SMY nor
> will I aid in any EFI convoy of a Russian unit from STP to CON.
My suggestion was for a convoy of a Russian army from NAF to STP, via the
Eastern Med. Please read your press more carefully.
My opening moves are:
F STP/sc - BOT
A MOS - WAR
A WAR - MOS
F SEV - ION
This way I maximize my defensive posture and bounce Italy from the Ionian.
Ben
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Venice (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest
England: Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
England: Army Liverpool → Yorkshire
England: Fleet London → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Paris → Gascony
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Germany: Army Munich → Ruhr
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Rome → Apulia
Italy: Army Venice HOLD
Russia: Army Moscow HOLD
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Gulf of Bothnia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Armenia
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