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Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Well well well........
In the beginning we spoke of AIG, then came the spring moves. It looked as though AT were working together.
I recall stating that I dint believe that Turkey acted alone, the assumption was that this was in conjunction with an AT alliance. Now it seems apparent that RT were allied all along.
Judging by the moves just made I am again assuming (has proven to be a dangerous thing to do) that AI is still not on one line.
The juggernaut definitely seems to be on. The pair of you is tied down and little has changed since s1901.
No doubt Russia will be moving to BOH and pushing UKR to GAL with Turkish support.
I can easily deal with MUN and retake it. My concern is for the long run.
Shouldn’t we be considering getting the AIG on track?
Italy gets a build, a move of NAP - TYS along with a build in NAP to cover the ION offers some safety.
The combined AI armies along the front should be able to hold out if they work together.
I can retake MUN and help along the line in BOH.
I feel unless the two of you or preferably the three of us work together then all 3 of us are doomed.
The central powers are being squashed. Austria and I may even be able to put pressure on WAR. BEL/HOL may be lost anyway, the sooner EF forces share borders the sooner they may fight.
At first I thought the ADR bounce was agreed upon, the support of GRE for BUL only goes to prove how well RT were able to keep their alliance quiet.
Let me know your thought guys before the pair of you are swept away, or do you see things differently.,
Message from Germany to Italy
Just a qucik seperate note to you. I hope that GRE will be supported to
SER by BUL and RUM or is this just wishfull thinking.
I am hoping no matter what the alliance you will be looking west ASAP.
Let me know your analysis of the game so far i am interested to hear it.
Message from Germany to Italy
On the other hand I>A<R is usually the case. It will be interesting to see how IART develop from here. Good luck.
I do understand from Austria that AI are definitely not an item. He says you have stabbed him twice. Good luck.
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
What can I say? You seem to think your only road to solo
is through Austria, fine; but I get to choose where I put up
the strongest defence.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Italy
Thanks for the support in Bul. Austria already sent his requisite
indignant email.
jason
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
> What can I say? You seem to think your only road to solo
> is through Austria, fine; but I get to choose where I put up
> the strongest defence.
What are you talkng about....
You actually have to TELL me you are moving to BUL if you want me to write
the support order for it.
I even sent you a note yesterday afternoon that I didnt get a response to,
asking that question directly.
I didnt stab you, and I was told by the French that you were offering to
support him into Venice, I had to do something to stop it.
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
Can I get 2 supports to SER?
Thanks
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I will do what I can. I was disappointed not to get Russian help - I had hoped your hand was further up his backside. I'd promised him BER, if STP - LVN, etc.; I think it was more promising for him than *this*, but it was his decision.
I hope you will get a nice slice of the Austrian pie.
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Oh my.
Well, I'm busy today, so won't be around much, but wanted to touch base. I
don't have specific requests yet, but wanted you to know that I'm around.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Italy
> You actually have to TELL me you are moving to BUL if you want me to write
> the support order for it.
When you offered the support, I told you to support Rum-Bul
just in case and we both know I wanted to use this as proof of
intent.
> I even sent you a note yesterday afternoon that I didnt get a response to,
> asking that question directly.
The only press you sent me yesterday arrived pass 10 pm eastern
time zone, 2 hours before the results came in, and I didn't get to
read that press until this morning. More then that, it had nothing to
do with any support of Bul.
> I didnt stab you, and I was told by the French that you were offering to
> support him into Venice, I had to do something to stop it.
Of course, you send me a rumour two hours before the dl and it
excuse your moves. I would be tempted to use this one in my
other games, but it's a bit weak and I doubt I would be taken
seriously.
Listen Andy, I don't believe you and I'm not about to unless you
stop behaving as an italian gunning for Austria. The only mistake
I made last turn was to protect Tri with Vie instead of using it to
cover Gal.
Take care,
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
> Message from pbergeron@gmx.net as Austria to Italy in 'c2':
>
> > You actually have to TELL me you are moving to BUL if you want me to write
> > the support order for it.
>
> When you offered the support, I told you to support Rum-Bul
> just in case and we both know I wanted to use this as proof of
> intent.
>
No. First you told me to hold off til you confirmed, then you said to go
ahead and order it, adn if you decide to use it, it will be there.
And that felt wayyyyyyyy too much like you were setting me up....so I at
least made the Turk feel like I wasnt attacking him.
> > I even sent you a note yesterday afternoon that I didnt get a response to,
> > asking that question directly.
>
> The only press you sent me yesterday arrived pass 10 pm eastern
> time zone, 2 hours before the results came in, and I didn't get to
> read that press until this morning. More then that, it had nothing to
> do with any support of Bul.
I sent you press about 12 hours before that.
> Listen Andy, I don't believe you and I'm not about to unless you
> stop behaving as an italian gunning for Austria. The only mistake
> I made last turn was to protect Tri with Vie instead of using it to
> cover Gal.
That is your perogative.
Message from Italy to Russia
> Andy,
>
> Oh my.
>
> Well, I'm busy today, so won't be around much, but wanted to touch base. I
> don't have specific requests yet, but wanted you to know that I'm around.
Ive been on the road for 3 days..
What is the plan.
I can think of several
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> Just a qucik seperate note to you. I hope that GRE will be supported to
> SER by BUL and RUM or is this just wishfull thinking.
> I am hoping no matter what the alliance you will be looking west ASAP.
> Let me know your analysis of the game so far i am interested to hear it.
>
I have no idea it hasnt even been talked about
I think there is an EF...
I think there is an RT...
I know the Austrian would suicide his position in a nanosecond to deny me
any gains.
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> I will do what I can. I was disappointed not to get Russian help - I
had hoped your hand was further up his backside. I'd promised him BER,
if STP - LVN, etc.; I think it was more promising for him than *this*,
but it was his decision.
>
You should try to give him Denmark his leaving Norway
ie...convoy him in and let him support himself in.
That frees you up to take Holland.
Also the German gets to make a choice, of supporting Denmark or taking
back Munich.
> I hope you will get a nice slice of the Austrian pie.
Im trying.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> No. First you told me to hold off til you confirmed, then you said to go
> ahead and order it, adn if you decide to use it, it will be there.
>
> And that felt wayyyyyyyy too much like you were setting me up....so I at
> least made the Turk feel like I wasnt attacking him.
Wrong! Here's our recent discussion. I haven't omitted anything
beside the introductions. When the answer include the question in
it's reply, I didn't bother putting the question with a timestamp.
Answered by Philippe 31/10/03 2:15 pm eastern time
> > While my army is in GRE....do you want BUL?
>
> Thanks. While I can't fully trust you until I have
> seen your next set of actions, your support for
> Rum-Bul would be appreciated, even though the
> probability of my actually using it is low.
Answered by Andy 04/11/03 10:30 am eastern time
> > Any news? I still haven't heard from
> > France and it's making me nervous.
>
> nothing solid....not that I can see.
Andy 05/11/03 10:18 PM eastern time
> FRance tells me that you are offering to support him to Venice.
>
> Im not sure what to make of that....
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> I sent you press about 12 hours before that.
As you can see, your rumour about France is the only press
I received the day of the dl.
Please stop lying to me and start thinking about moving against
others.
Philippe
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> You should try to give him Denmark his leaving Norway
>
> ie...convoy him in and let him support himself in.
> That frees you up to take Holland.
Hm - apologies, etc., are underway; I will think about this. If I offer
this & am betrayed again I just keep losing dots & then I get to join the
observers, which may be an advantage in itself. ;-)
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> > You should try to give him Denmark his leaving Norway
> >
> > ie...convoy him in and let him support himself in.
> > That frees you up to take Holland.
> Hm - apologies, etc., are underway; I will think about this. If I offer
> this & am betrayed again I just keep losing dots & then I get to join the
> observers, which may be an advantage in itself. ;-)
>
If you convoy him, but he has to support himself, he doesnt have a unit to
take Norway with.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> If you convoy him, but he has to support himself, he doesnt
> have a unit to take Norway with.
I understand the tactics. But the build in STP followed by the capture of
NWY - what would *you* expect, as England?
He had promised SWE s NTH - DEN, in conjunction with STP - LVN. This would
have netted him BER in two or so seasons. But he seized NWY instead. I'm
not saying I wouldn't convoy NWY - DEN, but I will say, I'm reluctant to ask
him to do anything right now. Maybe I'll cool off some more by this
afternoon & things will look different.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I've done some soul searching and this is what I've come up with. I have
not shut the door on negotiations with Russia - hell, I'd never shut that
door with anyone - but if he has a proposal I'd like to hear it from him.
No offense to you - I respect you & hope to get better as a result of
reading the observers talk about how you & everyone else outplayed me - but
after I've been snakebit by Russia two phases in a row, I kind of want to
hear what he's got to say.
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
Is there a particular reason that you are killing the English??
Bones Heal
Chicks Dig Scars
Pain is Temporary
Glory is Forever
- Rugby Proverb
Message from Russia to Italy
Hi Andy,
I'm sick today, and not doing much in the way of computer stuff.
The move on Ben was not something I wanted to do. I was not at all
confident that the southern moves would work out as they did. I was
basically expecting that I'd lose Sev, have Philippe in Gal, and would be
desperate for an extra army. Granted, I could have moved StP-Lvn-War to get
the same effect, but that would mean taking a junior position in both the
south and the north. With the apparent strong EF relationship (yes, I know,
I helped to encourage that) trying to survive in the north with F Swe
unsupported by other units with no real chance of getting any centers in
the south if things went badly looked like a way to make a quick exit from
the game.
Are you just curious or is there some more specific concern you have?
As far as Philippe and Jason, what are you thinking for Fall? There's lots
of dots, but we need to make sure we don't let Jason get so many that he
can establish a solid position in the corner. What's your take on the next
steps? It looks unlikely that I can take any dots off of Philippe, so the
question becomes whether or not you want are looking to make a play on Ser
with Jason.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Hey Eric,
>
> I'm sick today, and not doing much in the way of computer stuff.
I hope you feel better.
> The move on Ben was not something I wanted to do. I was not at all
> confident that the southern moves would work out as they did. I was
> basically expecting that I'd lose Sev, have Philippe in Gal, and would be
> desperate for an extra army. Granted, I could have moved StP-Lvn-War to get
> the same effect, but that would mean taking a junior position in both the
> south and the north. With the apparent strong EF relationship (yes, I know,
> I helped to encourage that) trying to survive in the north with F Swe
> unsupported by other units with no real chance of getting any centers in
> the south if things went badly looked like a way to make a quick exit from
> the game.
Understood. Well...you may want to make friends with him again, and he has
pretty much told me that he needs to hear it from you.
I have been your strongest supporter in the west, and now they Ben is
questioning my judgement.
> Are you just curious or is there some more specific concern you have?
Well...I want th EF to stay together, and that move put a big hurdle in
front of it.
I would suggest asking him to convoy you to Denmark and supporting it in.
And giving him the option of supporting it or going for Holland.
It gives him his dot back if it works, and you get a dot to replace it
with.
> As far as Philippe and Jason, what are you thinking for Fall?
I asked Jason to give me 2 supports to Serbia. But I havent heard from
him.
> of dots, but we need to make sure we don't let Jason get so many that he
> can establish a solid position in the corner. What's your take on the next
> steps?
Well...I would like to get Serbia, so that I can build an army and a
fleet. I would even cede Serbia to Jason afterwards, I just need the build
now. It would give me the units I need to pin Phillipe in.
It looks unlikely that I can take any dots off of Philippe, so the
> question becomes whether or not you want are looking to make a play on Ser
> with Jason.
Oh....I disagree, maybe not this season, but I think we can get you either
Vienna or Budapest next year.
If we can get Jason to support me to SER this fall, I will have the
leverage to force Philippe in the north, and position to move on Jason
either next year, or the year after.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
I need to check with Russia to see what his plans are. I'm also a little
concerned about you getting that third fleet, without me having any.
Could you alay my fears somewhat?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> I need to check with Russia to see what his plans are. I'm also a little
> concerned about you getting that third fleet, without me having any.
> Could you alay my fears somewhat?
What would you like?
What can I do...we have a good thing going. I dont want to screw it up.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
What would I like? Can you proxy all your units and builds to me? :-))
No, seriously, just stay out of Aeg or Eas and we should be fine. Also,
I hope you understand if I need one fleet in the Med for self-defense.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> No, seriously, just stay out of Aeg or Eas and we should be fine. Also,
> I hope you understand if I need one fleet in the Med for self-defense.
Not a problem. Can you give me 2 supports to Serbia.
It allows me to get position on Phillipe and hopefully next year, cede
Greece to you.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
2 supports ordered, no problem.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> 2 supports ordered, no problem.
thank you
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Turkey thinks you are the odd man out of the IRT. Do not turn west
prematurely.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> Turkey thinks you are the odd man out of the IRT. Do not turn west
> prematurely.
>
That isnt surprising.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
What is Turkey telling you his moves are.
He has promised me 2 supports to Serbia. I would appreciate it if you
would encourage that.
thanks
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
I think be now it should be *very* obvious that the move to Piedmont was
a fluke, yes? And you should be quite please to see Ben and I tackling
Tony together.
So given how cooperative I've been lately, could you maybe shed some
light on what's going on in the Southeast for me?
Erik
Message from Italy to France
Erik,
> I think be now it should be *very* obvious that the move to Piedmont was
> a fluke, yes? And you should be quite please to see Ben and I tackling
> Tony together.
I am
>
> So given how cooperative I've been lately, could you maybe shed some
> light on what's going on in the Southeast for me?
>
Well...Im not 100% sure. And I am involved in it.
Ask me the same question after this fall move.
Andy
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Adriatic Sea
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → Sweden (*bounce*)
England: Army Yorkshire HOLD
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Army Munich → Ruhr
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
Germany: Army Belgium → Burgundy (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Fleet Denmark HOLD
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Army Ruhr → Holland
Italy: Army Greece → Serbia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Norway SUPPORT Fleet Sweden (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Army Norway (*cut*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia (*cut, destroyed*)
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