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Message from Austria to Turkey
Well,
Can't say that I'm please with how things turn out, at least
Andy didn't stab me for once. You obviously didn't care
for my last offer, but what about the following? Let me get
back Bud and take Tri for yourself instead.
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
It appears I've badly miscalculated, in that I did not think Eric would wind
up in MUN, and now I do not know if there is a way to keep him from three
builds. Clearly he is not now in a position where any of us can contain
him. My question is, are you prepared to go to RUM this season. I do not
know when you would get another chance, in BLA with overwhelming force
against one of his sc's.
I don't need or want a commitment - but I want you to think about it long
and hard. With Andy entangled with Erik, you should end up with the lion's
share of the Balkans, and the Austrian home centers, and at least SEV from
Russia, with an easily defended border, and a chance to press either further
north, or into the Italian centers, or both, over time.
Anyway, whatever you choose, good luck & godspeed.
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason.
Where the love.
I could call you a rat bastard for taking Greece, but it was a pretty
forgone conclusion.
You know that I can keep you bottled up in the Med...right.?
I propose to you a something that can help both of us.
Have you thought about popping the fleet in RUM.
Something like
BUL - RUM
GRE - BUL
SER s BUL - RUM
BLa - SEV
It guarantees RUM, it give me back my dot, it gets the Russian fleet out
of your back yard and if he is trying to do something sneaky...like move
to Armenia...it punishes him for it.
Otherwise, he is going to build 3 this season, and start rolling the
board.
just my .02
Andy
Message from Turkey to Russia
Hey Eric,
Glad to see the turn went well. The Rum plan sounds good. I'll probably
stay put in Aeg to cover the eastern Med - Andy's got his hands full in
the west.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Bud for Tri? That sounds like a decent deal, but I'm a little skeptical.
Eric mentioned that you said something to him about me attacking Rum. If
you want to retain your homeland, spilling the beans like that won't help.
If I help you this turn, will you keep it to yourself?
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Don't worry - I've got Rum coming to me in the Fall (condition of my
helping him into Bud).
Good luck over there, yourself. With France expanding into the Med, you
could use some centers as well.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Andy,
I have and will be taking Rum this turn. Don't worry, I don't him
getting 3 builds, either.
I understand why you need Greece to hold off France, and frankly I don't
want France getting too far into the Med. I'll certainly take your plan
under advisement. Austria is wanting to get Bud back also, so perhaps we
can work something out in that area as well.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Don't worry - I've got Rum coming to me in the Fall (condition of my
> helping him into Bud).
I'll be curious to see whether you take with the army or the fleet. You
will be in an interesting position, if you capture with an army.
> Good luck over there, yourself. With France expanding into
> the Med, you could use some centers as well.
Thanks. I am particularly interested in what Andy is up to, if you've heard
anything interesting. He's asking me to attack France ("cut out his heart")
but of course that's what he'd say to *me* - I wonder what he's telling
others.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Awesome. I'm hoping you'll also order support for Bud (Ser S Bud). I'm trying
to convince Philippe not to attack me because it's useless (since Ser can
support Bud), but I'd feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I'm guaranteed
to hold it through the Fall!
And on an another comment of yours -- you shouldn't be too surprised that I
had heard something from Philippe about your plans. Remember that the year
before he had also told me about supporting you to Ser. (And the year before
that, it sounded like he told Andy about your move to Gre, right?) Still, our
taking Bud may have changed how willing he is to talk -- for the moment at
least.
I'll be away for the weekend, so don't be surprised that you don't hear
anything more from me until late Sunday or Monday.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to all
The holiday season is upon me in about half an hour when I will be leaving
for this year's family get togethers.
The conditions in the gathering place are so primitive that neither a TiVo
nor a network connection is available, so unless someone wants to call me on
the phone (and there is no answering machine there either!) I will not be
available for negotiations until I return late Sunday or early Monday.
Happy (early) holidays everyone!
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> I have and will be taking Rum this turn. Don't worry, I don't him
> getting 3 builds, either.
Good.
> I understand why you need Greece to hold off France, and frankly I don't
> want France getting too far into the Med. I'll certainly take your plan
> under advisement. Austria is wanting to get Bud back also, so perhaps we
> can work something out in that area as well.
Well....to force Rum, you need all of your units (SER, BUL and BLA),
If I know that I am not disbanding, I am prepared to move west in force as
long as you and I can leave the ION empty.
Is that fair?
Andy
Message from Turkey to England
Agreed on A Rum - it would give me a nice advantage.
I've talked with Andy a little - he'll head west against France if I
give him Gre back. I'm leaning toward doing that, since I can't afford
France breaking through and taking me out. I'd say work with him on
France, since he's likely to back you up.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Russia is supposed to be giving me Rum voluntarialy, but we'll see. He
might hose me over it.
I'll go along with the Gre plan - I'll back out and let you keep the
center to avoid the disband.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Sounds good, then. No change over here.
jason
Message from France to Turkey
Jason:
I need to know what your plans are in the Med. I've got a serious problem
with England here, but if you're still planning on heading West, I'd be
happy to leave some units to help you with Andy. Just give me some kind of
indication so I don't leave a fleet down there in vain -- give my new
situation, I can't fight him alone.
Erik
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Russia is supposed to be giving me Rum voluntarialy, but we'll see. He
> might hose me over it.
It certainly wouldnt surprise me.
>
> I'll go along with the Gre plan - I'll back out and let you keep the
> center to avoid the disband.
May I ask how....I suspect GRE - AEG, AEG - EAS/SMY/CON
btw...thanks, I appreciate it.
take care
Andy
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Agreed on A Rum - it would give me a nice advantage.
You do what the environment will permit - good luck.
> I've talked with Andy a little - he'll head west against France if I
> give him Gre back. I'm leaning toward doing that, since I can't afford
> France breaking through and taking me out. I'd say work with him on
> France, since he's likely to back you up.
This sounds like a good plan for you. It also answers some important
questions for me - you are a good ally and I hope to be able to return the
favor soon - keep me apprised on what you would like to see from me.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
Right, that's the plan: Gre - Aeg, Aeg - Eas.
That should leave me covered while not interfering with you.
BTW: Just got a note from France. He wants to know if he should head
against England or help me fight you. I'll try to make him split his
forces so the two of you can handle him.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Sounds good. France is trying to figure out who he should fight, so I'm
trying to keep him busy in both directions.
For now, just gain some ground on France and Russia. I need to take out
Russia at some point in the future or he'll take me. If you and I can
get into good position in the endgame, ET can be quite powerful.
jason
Message from Turkey to France
Thanks for the note.
I probably could use some help in the Med, but obviously I've got my
hands full with AR. I can't promise anything, but I'd hate for him to
stage a breakout in either direction.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Bud for Tri? That sounds like a decent deal, but I'm a little skeptical.
> Eric mentioned that you said something to him about me attacking Rum. If
> you want to retain your homeland, spilling the beans like that won't help.
>
> If I help you this turn, will you keep it to yourself?
What kind of question is this! Seriously, do I look
like someone who can afford to screw people off?
Philippe
Message from Austria to all
Hi all,
I don't know for the rest of you, but I'm not going to be
available from the december 24 to sometime after
january first because of the holydays, so an extension of
the next dl to january 6 would be appreciated.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance,
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Sounds good. France is trying to figure out who he should
> fight, so I'm
> trying to keep him busy in both directions.
Jason, if he goes against *Italy* then Andy will be pinned down and fully
occupied while you deal with A/R.
If on the other hand Erik is trying to fight on two fronts then (a) Andy
will be stronger and (b) I will be weaker, which I would not have thought
would be your goal. This is important because if F MAO goes *south* this
phase then things will be very good for us, as you will have access to
Andy's flank and I will have access to Erik's.
Please consider advising Erik accordingly.
> For now, just gain some ground on France and Russia. I need
> to take out
> Russia at some point in the future or he'll take me. If you and I can
> get into good position in the endgame, ET can be quite powerful.
I agree. My only 2WD was an ET.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
I told you I've been trying to convince Philippe not to attack Bud. One of
the possibilities he raised is trying to attack Ser. One of the things he's
talked to me about is using Bud to attack Ser. If I remember right, you said
you are not going to be moving F Aeg. If that's true, what do you think about
you ordering Aeg S Gre and Bul S Ser? If you do that, I can "attack" Ser and
we'll know it won't work. We could also say that me moving out of Rum was to
let me get A Sev there (Sev-Ukr-Rum) and you taking it is a stab. That would
make it look like we were fighting, which might make it easier for one or the
other of us to get information about how AI are going to move.
I can't tell if this is too complicated or not, but I wanted to get your take
on. When Austria raised the idea, I thought maybe it was a chance to keep our
moves from getting him too pissed off at us because of the Spring moves. :)
And you have also ordered Ser S Bud, right? (I saw all of your messages, but
they say "sounds good", but it's not 100% clear what you were saying sounds
good!
Let me know. I won't order anything "nasty" with Bud until/unless I hear from
you that it's okay.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
Sorry for not being specific. Ser will support Bud this turn. If you
want to bounce Austria in Ser, that's fine, but Gre needs to move, so
Bul won't be available.
jason
Austria: Fleet Albania SUPPORT Italian Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Austria: Army Trieste → Budapest (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Trieste → Budapest
England: Fleet English Channel → Belgium
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Holland
England: Fleet Irish Sea → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Kiel → Holland
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Belgium
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland (*cut, dislodged*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
France: Army Holland SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel (*void, destroyed*)
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Brest
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Western Mediterranean
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Berlin → Kiel
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Rome → Tuscany
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea → Denmark
Russia: Army Budapest HOLD
Russia: Army Munich SUPPORT German Army Berlin → Kiel (*cut*)
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Sevastopol → Ukraine
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Munich
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Greece → Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest
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