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Message from Germany to Germany
Ahhhhh the beauty lies in the simplicity.
Maybe I should have looked at the JDPR's in detail. The taking of MUN although of no great problem was a surprise. So too was the apparent lack of co-ordination of EF moves.
Maybe it was reversed psychology applied by France but I was expecting more from EF in the attack.
In hindsight I over reacted, I read more into the possibilities than were probably being explored by FE.
The taking of MUN could have easily been avoided, I reasoned that because of this he wouldnt even attempt it.
In hindsight a shame because I was exploring serveral moves and had typed them in before submitting the orders. I had ordered bel - pic. ber - mun supported by kiel and mun - ruh. These would have been ideal in hindsight. Although who knows what may have happened then.
I am a little worried now about ska - den supported by Sweden, it may have been a deal they struck.
Anyway the game is on. I do have a question to put to AI. My gut feeling tells me that RT were allied all along. A very nice move indeed by both of them if this was the case.
I mentioned early in the game that I didn’t believe that Turkey acted alone when moving on Russia from the word go. I made the mistake of assuming that this was in conjunction with Austria.
I don’t believe that Russia was able to sway the position diplomatically, if he did then more the credit to him.
At least we now have a game on our hands. Let’s see how the diploming goes.
Message from Germany to England
The beauty of the moves made by France lay in their simplicity, the taking of MUN could have easily been avoided as it can easily be retaken. The more worrying is the situation in the east, RT were obviously allied from the start. The mistake I made was to assume that Turkey and Austria was allied.
The juggernaut will no doubt start rolling soon. It seems we are at a crossroad.
OK, it’s only the fall of 1902 coming up time to sit back and reflect on the situation.
I can support DEN and move/bounce to HOL. Unless you have support into DEN or BEL then this would mean a disband by you.
On the other hand I could support you into Sweden if you cut support from NWY.
I was a little amazed last move, it looked as though you and France weren’t really co-ordinating moves.
Your move to SKA and to DEN seemed a little illogical. if I had moved on SKA or HEL hell (TOSS OF COIN BUT IT FELL ON ITS EDGE) then you would have been in bigger trouble. I had to cut support from NTH as I had agreed this with Russia as part of the deal made when he built an army in STP.
I didn’t fancy facing you and France alone, something I am sure you understand.
For now I am more concerned with Russia than anyone else.
What is you evaluation of the situation?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Message from Germany to France
The beauty lies in the simplicity of the moves or did you use reversed psychology?
The fact that MUN could easily have been held led me to believe you wouldn’t attack it, especially not if you were working with England around BEL. In hindsight I understand now why he requested me to move to PIC. I didn’t move there because I was convinced the pair of you was working together and that it therefor was a trap..
Maybe that's why he mentioned it so that I wouldn’t go there. Don’t you just love diplomacy.
OK, MUN can easily be retaken, ruh cuts bur support and I use BER and KIE to retake it.
But for now I am more worried about RT, especially R.
The thing I like about France is the ability to switch direction whenever the need be.
Looking at the board I see several possible means of development.
Either Russia sticks with me (I cut NTH as agreed upon for him building STP) or he supports SKA into DEN.
This may be possible if he wishes that EF remain at equal strength and at some time in the near future turn on each other so that he can concentrate on attaining STP through to TUN. The juggernaut is on.
In the long term this spells trouble for you as Turkey sweeps west. Faced with a strong England and an up and coming Turkey you will have your hands full.
Another development could be that you move to ENG and take BEL. This will set us up for an attack on England next year. I have to retake MUN if only to force EF troops closer together so that you can both fight over BEL/HOL when the time comes. Look at the possibility of pushing MAO - ENG, having BUR take BEL supported by PIC. You get the build you want. In the spring of next year you push ENG - IRI and BRE - ENG or you convoy directly to WAL. I have to retake MUN as suggested as it is guaranteed and you cant stop it. It also concentrates my forces. You will need PIC/BUR to remove BEL and someone would have to prevent the retreat to HOL.
I always play the board as is, it is only the fall of 1902. The spring is always a paranoid time. The dust has settled and we now have to look at meaningful relations without losing overall view of the developments around us. If RG stick together then England is facing a disband. You always have the build from POR to fall back on when needed. Take BEL now and lets work together on removing England..
Let me know your thoughts.
I must admit that I nearly pissed myself laughing after receiving press in 1901 from Russia, Austria and Italy. All wondering why you went to PIE. As stated it was only the spring and for all I know EF could have come after me straight from the gate. Or maybe EG or EF could have came straight out of the gate. That’s what's so annoying about s1901, it can go either way depending on X to the power of 10000 different reasons.
The game is now on, let’s decide what is wise.
Message from Germany to Russia
Well that went as planned and agreed upon, except for France sneaking into MUN although that can easily be rectified.
I am glad to see that you and Turkey sorted out your differences.
I hope I have proven that when allied I will stick to what is agreed upon.
I assume you have no intention of supporting SKA - DEN. Working together with me against England ensures that any gains you make west results in having less to conquer between STP and TUN.
Is there any chance that you would consider supporting DEN? Looking at the board England must know that if you are not working with him then you will defending NWY with support from Sweden. We could use this to our advantage. Offer him SKA - DEN, this ensures that he wont be using two units on NWY.
This would allow Sweden to support DEN. My aim is to get you into NTH ASAP, which would enable a convoy to England. I have to break the EF alliance. A strong EF is not in your benefit either.
Let me know your thoughts on how to proceed, look forward to hearing from you.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Well well well........
In the beginning we spoke of AIG, then came the spring moves. It looked as though AT were working together.
I recall stating that I dint believe that Turkey acted alone, the assumption was that this was in conjunction with an AT alliance. Now it seems apparent that RT were allied all along.
Judging by the moves just made I am again assuming (has proven to be a dangerous thing to do) that AI is still not on one line.
The juggernaut definitely seems to be on. The pair of you is tied down and little has changed since s1901.
No doubt Russia will be moving to BOH and pushing UKR to GAL with Turkish support.
I can easily deal with MUN and retake it. My concern is for the long run.
Shouldn’t we be considering getting the AIG on track?
Italy gets a build, a move of NAP - TYS along with a build in NAP to cover the ION offers some safety.
The combined AI armies along the front should be able to hold out if they work together.
I can retake MUN and help along the line in BOH.
I feel unless the two of you or preferably the three of us work together then all 3 of us are doomed.
The central powers are being squashed. Austria and I may even be able to put pressure on WAR. BEL/HOL may be lost anyway, the sooner EF forces share borders the sooner they may fight.
At first I thought the ADR bounce was agreed upon, the support of GRE for BUL only goes to prove how well RT were able to keep their alliance quiet.
Let me know your thought guys before the pair of you are swept away, or do you see things differently.,
Message from Germany to Italy
Just a qucik seperate note to you. I hope that GRE will be supported to
SER by BUL and RUM or is this just wishfull thinking.
I am hoping no matter what the alliance you will be looking west ASAP.
Let me know your analysis of the game so far i am interested to hear it.
Message from Austria to Germany
Tony,
There's no AI. Andy now stabbed me twice in a row and
I'm lucky to have made the defensive move to Adr.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria
Thanks, sorry to hear about it but aat least it is clear.
Message from Germany to Russia
Some interesting news just in. Maybe worthwhile taking a look at lorax on the dedo judge.
As you can see Turkey and Italy have an unholy alliance which is working fine.
The reason I mention that game is to ask a question.
Are IT working together, can we expect GRE - SER supported by RUM/BUL and maybe a convoy to ARM?
I know for sure that IA are not working together following a message from Austria.
This probably means one of hree things, IR have plans for the near future or that the juggernaut is on.
The third option being IT. It is an unusual alliance but I am playing it in another game and its working fine.
Just thought that you should know, I would be surprised to see GAL - RUM supported by UKR & SEV but I must admit the alliances in the east are unknown to me.
Message from Germany to Italy
On the other hand I>A<R is usually the case. It will be interesting to see how IART develop from here. Good luck.
I do understand from Austria that AI are definitely not an item. He says you have stabbed him twice. Good luck.
Message from Austria to Germany
> Thanks, sorry to hear about it but aat least it is clear.
Yeah, I wanted Andy to be my primary ally in the
south, but I never got the chance to really trust him.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
I will write more later. Obviously you are right about an RT - it's time
for us to stop fooling around. If you are serious this time about
supporting me into SWE I will gladly accept.
An RT is bad for EG; we need to work together now.
> For now I am more concerned with Russia than anyone else.
As am I.
> What is you evaluation of the situation?
Right now? Kill Russia. Vent my spleen and protect my border.
> Look forward to hearing from you.
Your near future for now is not the English centers, but rather French and
Russian. A good sign for us.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> An RT is bad for EG; we need to work together now.
My thinking is, both Russia and Turkey strike me as alliance-type players,
who are now allied with each other. Bad news for Austria first, and IGE
second. But we can clean out Russia in the North and you will have a
terrific opportunity to cross the stalemate line early, by pushing into
WAR/MOS. No matter your relations with France you should be able to spare
an army or two to head east, I think, though you are better than I at that
kind of analysis.
So what do you think?
Help me into SWE. I will devote myself to the North while you claim HOL and
build another army. I, meanwhile, will be building nothing, but in the
following year(s) I will take back NWY and STP.
> I was a little amazed last move, it looked as though you and
> France weren’t really co-ordinating moves.
In my defense, I was supposed to get support from Russia. Cretin. Not you
cretin, him cretin.
Anyway I am glad finally to have some direction & look forward to your
confirmation that you will support me to SWE.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
To tell you the truth I have offered the same alliance to France as I have to you. Once again only you have replied not once but twice.
We do seem to communicate a lot more. I am just a little weary following the discussions we held in the spring and the results of the spring move. I even expected LON - ENG as discussed, you and France could have even agreed on it. I would only have interpreted it as such so you could both go for BEL.
You never mentioned the EF relationship
As I said I could easily hold DEN and retake MUN. I can even cover HOL take MUN and run the risk of losing DEN. As it stands GR were working together. I always stated I let the board dictate my alliances move by move. For now Russia is not coming out on top.
I haven’t heard from France yet but when I do I will let you know. Even though I can force him out of MUN I can’t force him to change course. Ideally he picks up POR, retreats PIC and BUR and builds a fleet in MAR.
In my dreams maybe, let’s see what he comes up with.
I won’t underestimate the obvious simple moves in the future. They have always been the worst to counter. Many a time I make them they are guarded against by the enemy. Whenever I tried to counteract them, people never used them, how frustrating. I am usually only aware of them during a fall move like now.
We can indeed take Sweden back quite easily. My main concern in this respect is the EF alliance.
Although his move to MAO did surprise me.
My moves were based on EF working together to go after BEL/RUH/HOL. In hindsight a waste of time. I had also ordered mun - bur supported by bel (decided against it as you could convoy to bel) and ber - mun supported by kie (decided against it as you could convoy to hol). I also ordered bel - bur, ber - mun supported by kie and mun - ruh. In hindsight either would have made a big difference. I certainly wasn’t expecting the moves he made as BUR could easily have been cut and MUN easily defended. You live and learn. I over analysed the situation. So what is the FE alliance?
For now I can ensure that I stay on 5 and that you get no build but France would.
Usually when two seem to gang up on you you tend to deny one of them builds.
For now that's aimed at you. The board however dictates otherwise as does Frances games play.
I will seriously consider supporting ska - swe whilst you cut nwy support and I pick up hol.
Any insight into the moves/motivation of France will help me make a decision in your favour.
The trouble is you have little bargaining power with him right now as he holds all the aces.
An option would be to support you into Sweden. Let him stay in MUN as it is difficult to defend. Leave HOL open for next year and I stay on 5 and remove him next spring.
If I am not careful then I could end up between FR once you are gone.
Shame you aren’t in the ENG.
Talk to you soon, look forward to hearing from you.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> To tell you the truth I have offered the same alliance to
> France as I have to you. Once again only you have replied not
> once but twice.
Of course you have. And I have been negotiating with Russia. And with
France.
> We do seem to communicate a lot more. I am just a little
> weary following the discussions we held in the spring and the
> results of the spring move. I even expected LON - ENG as
> discussed, you and France could have even agreed on it.
I think I could have gotten agreement on it. I'd even been negotiating for
it, when Russia spontaneously offered the support into DEN.
> I would only have interpreted it as such so
> you could both go for BEL.
I agree 100%. It would have been diplomatically and tactically sound,
though as it turns out it would have cost me NWY anyway. The way it worked
out, I'm happy, as I think I am well situated for expansion in the far
North. If we have a mutually benefical operation then, when I can
reposition, I would work with you against France, but for tactical reasons
that decision is not one I have to make now.
I think it is win/win for you to help me against Russia, as it means two of
your neighbors will be fighting each other while you can either (a) join in
against Russia (or me, though I think because of your armies Russia would be
easier), or (b) deal with France, or (c) both. If you do not help me
against Russia, then I will not really be fighting him, and I will probably
remove F SKA and just try to work with France against you, as I think that
would be, tactically and diplomatically, the most logical step.
> You never mentioned the EF relationship
By design. I did not want to lie to you, so I did not say too much, or
commit too much. I wanted you to feel like if we *were* to work together,
it would be something we could do - that I wasn't some silent newbie
hell-bent on one plan or another, and also that I wasn't going to lie if it
could be avoided.
> As I said I could easily hold DEN and retake MUN. I can even
> cover HOL take MUN and run the risk of losing DEN. As it
> stands GR were working together. I always stated I let the
> board dictate my alliances move by move. For now Russia is
> not coming out on top.
Why would he? He has nothing to offer you. How long would it be before you
could claim an English center? And if I were to engage him in the North,
isn't that something you could take advantage of, by fighting France and/or
him, without having to bother building an armada?
> I haven’t heard from France yet but when I do I will
> let you know. Even though I can force him out of MUN I
> can’t force him to change course. Ideally he picks up
> POR, retreats PIC and BUR and builds a fleet in MAR.
> In my dreams maybe, let’s see what he comes up with.
I will bet you one American dollar that does /not/ happen. ;-)
> I won’t underestimate the obvious simple moves in the
> future. They have always been the worst to counter. Many a
> time I make them they are guarded against by the enemy.
> Whenever I tried to counteract them, people never used them,
> how frustrating. I am usually only aware of them during a
> fall move like now.
Nothing lost, I don't think.
> We can indeed take Sweden back quite easily. My main concern
> in this respect is the EF alliance.
> Although his move to MAO did surprise me.
Why? It was safe and POR is there for the fall. I'm not saying EF do not
have good relations. But look at the press you've received from me. Do I
look to you like the kind of player who will not take advantage of your
offer of support into SWE, and switch gears?
> My moves were based on EF working together to go after
> BEL/RUH/HOL. In hindsight a waste of time. I had also ordered
> mun - bur supported by bel (decided against it as you could
> convoy to bel) and ber - mun supported by kie (decided
> against it as you could convoy to hol). I also ordered bel -
> bur, ber - mun supported by kie and mun - ruh. In hindsight
> either would have made a big difference. I certainly
> wasn’t expecting the moves he made as BUR could easily
> have been cut and MUN easily defended. You live and learn.
Your comments intrigue me, because my argument in favor of LON - ENG was, I
need to order YOR - NTH - BEL to cut the various supports that dangerous
unit could give. As I said, then I heard from Russia, who looking back on
it did not really need to lie to me. I wonder why he did.
> I over analysed the situation. So what is the FE alliance?
You came out of the gate pretty intimidating. Easy enough of a target for a
couple of wood-pushers like us. ;-)
> For now I can ensure that I stay on 5 and that you get no
> build but France would.
You will do what is in your best interest. Is that it?
> Usually when two seem to gang up on you you tend to deny one
> of them builds.
> For now that's aimed at you. The board however dictates
> otherwise as does Frances games play.
I agree on both counts. You do not want a strong Russia and you can have a
ER war with me getting *no* builds this phase, not threatening you, indeed
in your debt, so you are free to move as you will. Meanwhile if you can
help me out in the North then it is in *my* best interest to work with you
in the south, where there are plenty of dots for us to share.
> I will seriously consider supporting ska - swe whilst you cut
> nwy support and I pick up hol.
Not interested in you considering it - only interested in you *doing it* -
please let me know when you've decided.
> Any insight into the moves/motivation of France will help me
> make a decision in your favour.
I've given what I know.
> The trouble is you have little bargaining power with him
> right now as he holds all the aces.
> An option would be to support you into Sweden. Let him stay
> in MUN as it is difficult to defend. Leave HOL open for next
> year and I stay on 5 and remove him next spring.
That's fine.
> If I am not careful then I could end up between FR once you are gone.
Interesting you say that, as personality-wise I think F and R are likely
allies - something that's been worrying me from the beginning - but you will
draw your own conclusion.
> Shame you aren’t in the ENG.
Actually I think things could go perfectly for us if you execute the support
into SWE, so I can get us going up there, and then when I start to build
again I can work with you in the south.
> Talk to you soon, look forward to hearing from you.
Look no further.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
You and I think along similar lines. I haven't heard back from Ben yet, so
can't say whether he's in "how can we patch this up" mode, or "now I'm
going to throw everything I can against you" mode. Similar to your comments
about if I were to order support for Ska-Den, I'll point out that support
for Ska-Den would end with me in Bal and supporting EF.
I'm really busy today, and may not have net access again before tomorrow.
Let me think about Swe S Den, and hear what England has to say. At this
point I'm leaning towards supporting StP until I can field a northern
fleet, which also helps with getting me to Nth.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Germany
My big problem is mun - kie cutting support allowing for ska - den supported by nth.
I retract what I said earlier about RT. I hadnt paid much attention to the game. I now believe Russia diplomed his way last spring. I looked at the history file ;-)
I must pay more attention and ensure I dont lose an SC in a spring or fall if it can easily be avoided.
Message from Germany to England
> We can indeed take Sweden back quite easily. My main concern
> in this respect is the EF alliance.
> Although his move to MAO did surprise me.
>Why? It was safe and POR is there for the fall
Then why bother moving to the MAO in the first place, he could have sat in SPA and taken it this fall?
Add to that the Russian lie and you may still come up mind boggled.
If I would have opted for my last but one order then I would now be in BUR and he would have to decide wether to retreat to RUH or MAR .
Else I would have free passage into MAR if he chose to retreat to RUH.
Thats why I find the move to MAO a little strange. When I looked at the supported move to BUR (from MUN supported by PIC) I decided aginst it as he would obviously retreat to RUH (as SPA would have the fleet to cover MAR) and you were considering convoying to PIC which would cut support.
Moving to MAO only to retreat and take POR seems a little odd, a move to IRI (if working with Russia) would seem more logical. I have to cover holland this fall, he has to pic up BEL.
A fleet in BRE and hey presto he is in LVP next year with a convoy or with his fleet from IRI.
SPA - MAO was in my eyes a strange move, but you may be right. Its safe and he can still pick up POR.
I have no reason why Russia would lie to you. He knew I was cutting support from NTH so that he could take DEN. Thats why I insisted on his build in STP else I was to immediately offer you sweden and move on WAR.
Interesting times.
I will make a decision on SWE very shortly. What you say makes sense.
We never discussed the matter further last spring but it was on the table. As the deal with Russia was already layed out I wouldnt have followed up anyway. But at least I didnt have to lie to you, you never came back on the matter. Now is a different story.
Message from Germany to Russia
OK will hear from you then. For now he is stating that he is talking to you and France.
He has once again asked for support to DEN. Pointing out the juggernaut and the bad influence that will have on EFG in the near future. Thats his problem. I am obviously trying to make my problem your problem.
They can take DEN without your help. MUN is lost germany must know this I can retake it easily. If however mun pushes on KIE and SKA moves to DEN supported by NTH then DEN falls. BEL will also fall or maybe even HOL. I am sure an overwhelming EF force is not in your interest. Thats why I dont see Engalnd trying to retake NWY.
Thats where I see your help is possible. State you wish to remain neutral and will selfsupport yourself and await future developments. He did state that you lied to him, he said that he was ment to move on SKA with your support. But there again you knew I was going to NTH so you didnt have to offer the support ;-)
How different the game would be if I had kept to the tripple alliance and opened up to PRU and SIL ;-)
I really nearly did piss myself laughing when you commented on what the heck France was doing in PIE. That made this game worthwhile even if I get ousted next year. I have never laughed so much when I read your comment. It hit a funny bone.
Is the move to the MAO a forbode of a move to NAO and onto NWG I dont know. Why move there only to retreat to pick up POR. Or is he thinking on moving to IRI. No matter what as long as EF are workjing together that spells trouble for me and you. They wont go after Italy if he is stopping a juggernaut. I will be intrested to see hwat happens this fall out east.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Then why bother moving to the MAO in the first place, he
> could have sat in SPA and taken it this fall?
> Add to that the Russian lie and you may still come up mind boggled.
Definitely possible. ;-) Anyway you don't need to sell me an FR; I am
completely on board with going after Russia as we've been discussing this
morning. My time.
> I will make a decision on SWE very shortly. What you say makes sense.
> We never discussed the matter further last spring but it was
> on the table. As the deal with Russia was already layed out I
> wouldnt have followed up anyway. But at least I didnt have to
> lie to you, you never came back on the matter. Now is a
> different story.
Yes. If you have any objections to my proposals & arguments, please let me
know, so I can try to address them.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
In the annals of recorded Dip I think we have a novelty here. Austria's
plan to defend himself - I don't know, maybe he's already told you - is to
*solidify an RT*.
Truly he will be on his back, legs kicking in the air, in a few short
seasons. If the RT holds - and there is no reason to think it will not -
would you rather have an English ally, battling Russia? Or a French ally,
with Russia surrounding you?
As I said before - if you think I'm wrong, let me know where.
Ben
Message from France to Germany
Tony:
I didn't really expect to take Munich, to be honest. The best I was
hoping
for was to tie you up defensively and chip away elsewhere. The Russian
certainly threw a wrench in those plans.
All in all, one of the more interesting sets of results I've seen so far.
As you said, Spring is always the season of paranoia and conspiracy. I
certainly didn't expect to see RT come up, not after the first year, but
there they are.
Given Russia's moves, it's pretty clear to me that England and I would
have a long and protracted fight against you, the same way that you and
England would have a tough time taking me on right now. What's the weak
link here? England. With Norway down and his forces bottled up, I am
certainly amenable to changing my plan and, as you suggested, heading for
Bel and Eng -- I do always have Por as a fallback. Frankly, with RT
rising
and Austria headed for an early exit, I'm not sure I can afford to see
you
get taken out -- RT will be too strong by the time England and I finished
with you.
Let me look at the board a little more -- I just wanted to write back
sooner rather than later and let you know that I'm quite open to working
with you as long as you're willing to extend me the same consideration.
Erik
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> Just a qucik seperate note to you. I hope that GRE will be supported to
> SER by BUL and RUM or is this just wishfull thinking.
> I am hoping no matter what the alliance you will be looking west ASAP.
> Let me know your analysis of the game so far i am interested to hear it.
>
I have no idea it hasnt even been talked about
I think there is an EF...
I think there is an RT...
I know the Austrian would suicide his position in a nanosecond to deny me
any gains.
Message from Germany to France
Good to hear Erik. I too was amazed about MUN. Not that its a problem. Just the fact that you tried it.
Anyway, EF didnt really coordinate their moves appraently. I was guarding against BEl/RUH/HOL scenario.
England is inded in trouble and is the weakest link. No harm doen as I can retake MUN. I am willing to give up BEL but you have to hit it with two units
Although I would suggest the move to IRI. POR you have as a backup when needed. You can use MUN to cut RUH support for BEL and take BEL using PIC & BUR. Suc6 guranteed and we are back on track.
Next year you are looking at LVP and POR. RT are looking strong and I know for a fact that AI are having their personal difficulties.
Look forward to hearing from you
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben, yes Austria did indicate this. Not in so many words but he did indicate clearly taht he an Italy are not friends. Italy later confirmed this by stating that Austria would give his sc's up in a nanosecond if Italy attacked Austria. The two of them definitely dont see eye to eye.
We both know EG is the option to follow after seeing the RT development. The reason I therefor offer to support you to Sweden instead of having you retake Norway is because I can support Denmark from KIE. If I move DEN - SWE to cut support and you dont go for Norway but Denamark instead then Denamrk is lost.
So lets go for the Swedish variant. I will support you in, be sure to cut Norwegian support. I can be sure Russia wont just promise us both support and decide to support himself in place.
The RT alliance was unknown at the time I put pressure on Russia to build in STP and take Norway in the spring.
If I was Russia I wouldnt support either of us and just let thing take their course. He will no doubt build in STP or WAR. With you and I being weak he has no reason not to take us both on soon.
Any gains he has made or will make up north means the less he has to gain between STP and TUN. Branching into England and Denmark/Berlin will no doubt be at the top of his agenda. He certainly sounded a lot less certain and safe when I put the pressure on for his build. Now that RT has worked out he is fully in the driving seat.
DEN support SKA to Sweden is on. Still ask Russia for support to Denamrk and I will ask him to support me in Denmark. We can then see which way he went.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Hi Ben, yes Austria did indicate this. Not in so many words but he did
> indicate clearly taht he an Italy are not friends. Italy later confirmed this by
> stating that Austria would give his sc's up in a nanosecond if Italy attacked
> Austria. The two of them definitely dont see eye to eye.
>
> We both know EG is the option to follow after seeing the RT development.
>The reason I therefor offer to support you to Sweden instead of having
> you retake Norway is because I can support Denmark from KIE. If I move
> DEN - SWE to cut support and you dont go for Norway but Denamark
> instead then Denamrk is lost.
Sweden is fine - I can get NWY after.
> So lets go for the Swedish variant. I will support you in, be sure to cut
> Norwegian support. I can be sure Russia wont just promise us both
> support and decide to support himself in place.
Got it.
> The RT alliance was unknown at the time I put pressure on Russia to
> build in STP and take Norway in the spring.
I can understand that.
> If I was Russia I wouldnt support either of us and just let thing take their
> course. He will no doubt build in STP or WAR. With you and I being weak
> he has no reason not to take us both on soon.
If we take SWE then he will not be building.
[snip]
>
> DEN support SKA to Sweden is on. Still ask Russia for support to
> Denamrk and I will ask him to support me in Denmark. We can then see
> which way he went.
Ok.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Sorry, I was sick today so didn't get on the computer until late.
Your point is absolutely valid. Looking at the map, the only reason I would
need to support Nwy is if I think Ben is going to attack me. His response
to an offer of Ska-Den should make it clear which way he is going to want
to move.
I'm going to keep this short, but wanted to let you know that your message
makes sense and I'm writing a brief note to England to suggest the Ska-Den
move.
I'll let you know when I hear more from him.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Ok Eric, look forward to hearing from you.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
So far what I've heard from Russia corroborates the RT. Which is to say,
he is pushing very hard for EG war - attack on DEN - while asking if he can
keep NWY.
Erik remains nearly silent. I am entering orders NTH - NWY, SKA - SWE with
this press. Let me know what you hear from Russia & confirm DEN s SKA
-SWE, please.
This is a good course for both of us - I will stake my claim in the far
north and you will have me (a) in your debt and (b) dealing with somebody
else. Plus in the longer run if we work well together we could share the
many dots to our south.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben, Yes as pledged I will be supporting SKA - SWE.
The RT is looking to scary, abuild in STP is on the rocks if we dont take
Sweden back. With Turkey as a friend he can concentrate north. Looking back
in time I once again state that s1901 is always a little scary. The game is
now on and my support will prove I can be trusted. I havent heared from
France either, if there is one thing bad for a relationship its lack of
communication.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> The RT is looking to scary, abuild in STP is on the rocks if we dont take
> Sweden back. With Turkey as a friend he can concentrate north. Looking
back
> in time I once again state that s1901 is always a little scary. The game
is
> now on and my support will prove I can be trusted. I havent heared from
> France either, if there is one thing bad for a relationship its lack of
> communication.
Ok, let's do it. As I said - orders are in.
Ben
Message from France to Germany
Tony:
Yeah, if I'm going to head for Eng or Iri (which may be better), I'm
going to have to hit Bel. I need a fleet build to go after England, and
since MAO can't take Por if it's headed for Iri, that's got to come from
somewhere.
At least Russia seems semi-cooperative to your plans. He's not interested
in seeing Northern English fleets, I can tell you that much. For now,
while Austria's still alive, that's some consolation to you.
Do you know where Andy stands vis-a-vis Russia and Turkey? He's got
reason to work with RT right now, but he's got to know that they'll crush
him -- unless Russia's got something longer-term cooking with Italy.
So what's your plan?
Erik
Message from Germany to France
Good to hear from you Erik. I can ubderstand you hitting belgium. I will be
hitting Holland and removing you from Munich.
Thats all I have planned this round. As for Austria I have no idea. He is
not very communicative, Italy even less so.
I do worry about RT, thats was some nice diploming by Russia. I got him to
build in STP and go after ENgland. I had to break EF up any way I could and
get some alliance going with either of you.
Englands seems the easiest to attack now. I still have this gut feeling that
Russia will build in STP again this year so the sooner we get to England the
better. At least denying ENgland a build means that you are in LVP next
spring and nothing he can do about it. That means two builds for you next
year (LVP & POR). WIth the build from BEL this you put you firmly in the
driving seat. I will soon have to get some sort of alliance with Austria on
the rails but for now he isnt communicating.
Have you any news on IA.?
Message from Germany to Russia
Still waiting to hear from you. I hope you see there is no need to support
NWY. He will be coming after me. I am expecting MUN - KIE and both English
fleets to hit Denmark. With or without your support ;-)
There is nothing I can do about it now, I just hope I have convinced you to
support me. A strong EF will be a formidable force.
Message from Germany to Germany
Well I have decided to go with England. At worst he attacks me and Russia
supports me.
The RT is a little worrying, a build in STP and SWE - BAL along with NWY -
SWE next year and I am in big trouble.
I may still have FE against me but I guess that is the price I pay for the
spring 1901 deception.
Message from Germany to England
The Russian has informed me that he has offered support to DEN from SKA. I
have ordered the support of SKA - SWE. Its up to you now. I would consider
convoying YOR - NWY, a cut support is a cut support.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> The Russian has informed me that he has offered support to
> DEN from SKA.
He said he would consider it but did not even make the offer.
> I have ordered the support of SKA - SWE. Its up to you now.
As you say.
In the spring, will DEN be available to support me in SWE/SKA?
Curious to see the results in the East, particularly around SER.
Ben
Message from France to Germany
Nothing from IA, really. Andy continues to encourage Ben and I to take you
down, but that's nothing new.
Would you be willing to consider breaking Russia's support of Nwy? As much
as we need to take England out, we also *really* need to keep Russia in
check. If I'm headed for Iri or Eng anyway, allowing Ben to keep that
extra unit isn't going to make much of a difference -- he'll still be out
of position.
Erik
Message from Germany to England
Erik is enquiring about the north, as I dont fully dismiss the fact that he
and Russia are already carving us up I stated that you and I are stil in
negotiations in the north.
Message from Germany to France
I am currently looking at the situation in the north with both England and
Russia. I am awaiting a reply from both of them.
It will be interesting to see how the situation in the east develops.
Message from Germany to England
Yes, I see no reason why it wont be able to support you.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Erik is enquiring about the north, as I dont fully dismiss
> the fact that he
> and Russia are already carving us up I stated that you and I
> are stil in negotiations in the north.
I know France and Russia are negotiating. I've tried telling France about
the RT bogeyman and the menace in Italy, so hopefully he will keep focussed
south.
Do you want to reconsider DEN - SWE, thus permitting me the convoy to NWY?
Of course, the downside is, support could be cut SWE - SKA. What do you
think? I'm trying to think ahead, to how I will get into NWY; I guess we
should just see how SWE will retreat. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
No, I dont wish to move DEN for now. I am supporting it from KIE just in
case Russia doesnt come through.
As it is holding all it can do is give support.
Message from Germany to Germany
The fact that both E&F are asking for me to cut support from Sweden makes me
believe that I am facing both of them. I have not offered support into
Sweden.
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Sorry, I've been sick and jumped online for only a few minutes over the
weekend. I thought I had sent you an update, but obviously failed to.
Basically, right now I'm hearing from a number of places that Nwy is Ben's
target. That has me leaning to supporting Nwy, on the assumption that Den is
not threatened. It seems unlikely that Erik will cut your support for Den,
since he knows he can't hold Mun. I guess it's possible that Erik might try
to help Ben to his own detriment, but it seems unlikely.
Basically we're in a three-way guessing game, where Ben can either attempt a
two-strength attack on Den (hoping for support from Swe), attempt a
two-strength attack on Nwy, hoping for you to cut support from Swe, or can
offer to attack Swe with you while Nth cuts support. Any of these is a risk
-- if I offer support for Ska-Den he might attack Nwy knowing I can't defend
it. Similarly, if you offer to move Den-Swe for any reason, then he could
attack Den because it will be on the move.
--- Eric
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> No, I dont wish to move DEN for now. I am supporting it from
> KIE just in case Russia doesnt come through.
> As it is holding all it can do is give support.
That's fine. I'm inclined to think in a fall phase the attack against NWY
would be unnecessarily risky anyway.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
I'm getting a little frustrated with Ben. He has repeatedly asked me to give
him back Nwy. It's actually kind of funny, because he keeps saying that he
has not agreed to me taking it, as if it were his to give. He was not willing
to discuss taking support to Den until he is back in Nwy.
It is abundantly clear that he is not planning to attack you until I leave or
am forced out of Nwy. I'm going to have to stick with supporting myself in
Nwy for now. I'm pretty confident that you can ignore the threat of him
attacking Den and use Kie to help take back Mun. Of course, that's easy for
me to say, since you're the one taking the risk. I don't want to know whether
Kie will support Den or Mun, but you do need to know that Swe is ordering
support for Nwy and that I think England will not be hitting Den.
Yours,
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Well that would fit in. EF are asking me to cut support from Sweden to allow
E to retake NWY.
I said no and that I would only support DEN - SWE.
So I am 100% sure he will go for Norway.
I will be losing DEN. He wont go for NWY without my support, I have not
given it. Only verbaly.
Message from Germany to Russia
I ment SKA - SWE not DEN - SWE
> I said no and that I would only support DEN - SWE.
> So I am 100% sure he will go for Norway.
> I will be losing DEN. He wont go for NWY without my support, I have not
> given it. Only verbaly. Anyway I cant hold DEN with KIE as MUN will cut
support from KIE.
I guess I just have to lose DEN.
Message from Russia to Germany
>I guess I just have to lose DEN.
I can say this: If you do lose Den, it means that EF is MUCH stronger than
I thought. Of course I could be underestimating them, but if I am it will
be a real eye opener for me, and I will be very interested in seeing you
get it back. Getting Den back shouldn't be too hard to do even if it does
fall.
But as I said, what I'm hearing strongly indicates that you will not be
attacked.
--- Eric
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Adriatic Sea
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → Sweden (*bounce*)
England: Army Yorkshire HOLD
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Army Munich → Ruhr
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
Germany: Army Belgium → Burgundy (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Fleet Denmark HOLD
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Berlin → Munich
Germany: Army Ruhr → Holland
Italy: Army Greece → Serbia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Norway SUPPORT Fleet Sweden (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT Army Norway (*cut*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Rumania SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia (*cut, destroyed*)
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