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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 1 unit
Germany: Removes 2 units
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Turkey to Italy
It was important to me - you had me blocked in with Gre and Ser, and
your supported move to Gre tells me you were planning on using it as a
stepping stone east next turn. Now I have some breathing room.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> It was important to me - you had me blocked in with Gre and Ser, and
> your supported move to Gre tells me you were planning on using it as a
> stepping stone east next turn. Now I have some breathing room.
>
The move to Greece was so that you werent supporting yourself there, which
is what France, Russia and Austria all told me you were doing.
I was going to GIVE you Greece this year. As soon as I had a dot to
replace it, which was likely Trieste.
I just dont understand the mistrust. I have never made ANY move that can
be construed as treatening to you, and now the Russian is going to grow
like wildfire.
Germany is dead, Russia is going to get his remaining dots, and the
English ones as soon as the French and English get tangled up here.
And now that you have picked a fight with me, he can walk in your back
door.....or he can just let us stand off against each other while he
collects the rest of the board. I would suspect he will be at 12 in 2
years if not sooner.
Andy
Message from Turkey to England
Nice move into Germany. Looks like the I vs F attack didn't come off
yet, though. I assume A Gas will get convoyed soon enough.
Any chance of you taking advantage of Russia getting no builds this turn
in Scandinavia? Looks tasty. :-)
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Everything seemed to go well, except for Greece. Apparently, Austria
tipped Italy off to my move there.
I assume we'll try the Rum/Bla shuffle now?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Thanks again for your support into Ser. Too bad about Greece, but
apparently Russia tipped off Italy. I guess he doesn't want me getting
too big for my britches. :-)
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
containment. You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
recipe for disaster.
I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
vassal.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Thanks again for your support into Ser. Too bad about Greece, but
> apparently Russia tipped off Italy. I guess he doesn't want me getting
> too big for my britches. :-)
Yeah, now what are your plans for the future? I feel better
knowing that Italy didn't profit from his invasion of Austria,
but survival would be an interesting concept for me to
explore at this point :-)
Philippe
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Nice move into Germany. Looks like the I vs F attack didn't come off
> yet, though. I assume A Gas will get convoyed soon enough.
Yes, but to where?
> Any chance of you taking advantage of Russia getting no
> builds this turn in Scandinavia? Looks tasty. :-)
It does. It depends on whether I can get Erik to press in the south. I
would appreciate your help in that regard; I /will/ be able to take the
exposed Scandinavian centers, if I can get Erik out of my hindquarters. You
can let Erik know of my intentions, if you think it will help.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
I think the shuffle should work fine, but I'd like to hear what Austria comes
up with first. If he continues to help us against Italy, it might be worth
our while to throw resources that way and shuffle around later.
So yes, I think we should do it, but I want to keep an open mind for the
moment.
Sound good?
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
> containment.
This I disagree with. I havent told you where you could or couldnt go. And
I have never invaded any of the territory that borders you.
You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
> and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
> recipe for disaster.
I cant argue with you logic here. Its sound.
But I was going to give you GRE.
> I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
> moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
> to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
> vassal.
Im not sure what gave you the idea that I want you a my vassel. I dont.
Russia is going to grow like gangbusters. And you are the only person in
ANY kind of position to slow him down at all.
Andy
Message from Turkey to England
I assume A Gas will be convoyed to Tus after moving to Spa. Then again,
Spa - Mao will convoy it to Lvp. At least you have builds to counter that.
I'll see what I can do with Russia. He's interested in AI right now, so
that should help you.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
We can delay the shuffle, that's fine. Fall matters more than Spring,
anyway.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
>>Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
>>> containment.
> This I disagree with. I havent told you where you could or couldnt go. And
> I have never invaded any of the territory that borders you.
Well, that's somewhat disingenuous, isn't it? You kept me from moving
west, while I had few avenues for advance in the north. I agreed before
you didn't attack me, but you didn't give me many options, either.
>> You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
>> and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
>> recipe for disaster.
> I cant argue with you logic here. Its sound.
>
> But I was going to give you GRE.
That may very well be the case, but I'm sure you've heard plenty of
promises in your time that didn't work out for one reason or another.
>>> I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
>>> moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
>>> to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
>>> vassal.
>
>
> Im not sure what gave you the idea that I want you a my vassel. I dont.
I simply meant that as a 6 center power and me as a 4 center power, it
wasn't exactly a matchup of equals.
> Russia is going to grow like gangbusters. And you are the only person in
> ANY kind of position to slow him down at all.
I agree he will, and that's dangerous.
How about this: I'll build F Smy, since that's the only thing that won't
make Russia paranoid (I thought about F Con, but he'd ask lots of
questions). I understand you won't like that, but I need to keep Russia
quiescent. Then, in the Spring, I'll support Bul to Rum with Ser and
Bla. That will cut Russia off at the knees.
I won't take Gre, giving you options against France. I can also move Aeg
to Con to use it in Bla against Sev. That should give us enough leverage.
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Hmm, it's been far too long since my last soliloquy.
A messy game gets messier. Are IR conspiring against Turkey? Why did
England claim France was attacking Italy? Will France still attack
Italy? Ahh, to be on the other side of the Yahoo group.
Italy is right about Russia - with Germany dead, Russia gets Ber and Bud
and Vie, giving him 10 centers and a commanding lead. I can maybe be at
6 or 7 heading west (Gre and Rum, if Russia really will give it to me).
That assumes France doesn't eat Italy first. If England can hit him
high, and I hit him low, he can go from 7 to 4 very quickly.
Risky? Probably, but it's my best shot of breaking out of the corner in
a meaningful way.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
I'm a big fan of survival, myself!
I suspect you'll be Russia's target quite soon, so your survival might
hinge on keeping him at bay. We started this game working against him,
and it might be a good idea to try that again before he gets too big for
the two of us. With Germany gone, so is your biggest benefactor, and
Russia looks to be all around you.
jason
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
I don't know that we'll need to delay. I just wanted to keep our eyes and
ears open to see what other options there might be. So far I haven't thought
of or heard anything good. If we don't, we can go ahead with the swap.
--- Eric
England: BUILD Fleet Liverpool
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Fleet Marseilles
Germany: REMOVE Fleet Helgoland Bight
Germany: REMOVE Army Munich
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
Austria: 3
England: 5
France: 7
Germany: 2
Italy: 5
Russia: 7
Turkey: 5
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