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Message from Germany to Turkey
Daring indeed, I am assuming that in doing so you at least have an alliance with Austria.
No doubt you will be pushing Austria to attack VEN with France. The last thing you want is Austria supporting a convoy of APU to GRE and or supporting UKR into RUM .
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
Glad to see everything is going as planned :-)
Philippe
Message from England to all
> :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
and find you?
Ben
Message from Italy to all
>
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
> and find you?
I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.
starting tommorow morning
Message to all
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
>Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
>and find you?
I confess. It's me.
;-)
Message from Germany to all
> Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500Will one of you confess to
being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come and find you?>
Well the 18th is my birthday and I was planning on spending all cash
donations on a shopping spree at Harrods in f1903m (in London for the
americans under you ;-). But if the offer is right then I will be willing to
hunt the AWOLér down
Message from Germany to all
>>I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.>>
Try and set a board up as we stand at this moment and ask 7 top players to
make fall move suggestions (backed up by the diploming that needs to be done
first).
p.s. Dont forget to share anything they say
Message to all
> > > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> >Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to
come
> >and find you?
>
> I confess. It's me.
>
> ;-)
>
>
Tony, I am one of those expecting you to broadcast your fall moves!
Message from Germany to all
Hey Jason, I think that it was only you and me who went it alone maybe we
should team up for a 2 way?!... or did you move in accordance with...... ;-)
Message from Russia to all
Yo' -- dere's a lot mora dem grey broadcasts going around agin.
Ceppin' fer Jason "da Kid", we'z all done our five jobs fer Don
Masseyoni an' is made men. We deserve more respect dan dis.
An' tell Ben "da' Shark" dat he don' need ta' send "Snake Eyes" Tony
out on no jobs. I'z da won wat's gonna be dealin' wit family bizness
fer a bit.
--- Tzarface
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The following translation is brought to you by The Counsel for Clear
Communication through Silly Broadcast Personas (C3-SBP):
"Ben, I'm the one who requested the absence. --- Eric"
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
So, what made you do it? I can understand that at some point you've
got to make a decision to attack one way or the other, but I don't
understand why you would decide to attack me without any real
negotiations. From my point of view, every time I've asked you to
talk with me about our options, you've said "let's see how it goes
and talk later." That implies to me that you made up your mind to
attack me early on, without really considering me as an option.
There's lots of reasons for me to want to cooperate with you, and
while your moves are going to make me quite cautious about you, you
haven't yet done anything that commits us to fighting each other. I
really encourage you to at least consider working with me.
Given that France has designs on Italy, you need to get west quickly
if you're going to establish the necessary defensive position to hold
on long term. Clearly Austria is not going to give you many Balkan
centers, and it's not realistic for him to give you many Russian ones
either -- Sev and Mos at best, and that assumes that you two are
cooperating, Austria doesn't stab you for Rum/Bul, and I fall
relatively quickly.
You've got the drop on me, so I'm motivated to be flexible in
negotiations. I promise I'm not going to be a pushover if you press
the attack on me, but I really hope that us fighting is not a
foregone conclusion.
Also, I am the one who requested the absence, so don't read anything
into it when I suddenly go silent this weekend. I'll be back online
towards the end of next week to continue whatever discussions we
start now.
--- Tzarface
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
You still haven't got back to me yet, probably over work
or something, but I look forward to hearing about all the
weird stuff you must have received.
Everyone is speculating like crazy, and I have been
carefull not to drop the bean, but they don't have a clue
about our plan. The worst one is Germany who's talking
about a plan to support you to Rum that might see me
stab you by going to Rum myself ;-)
If you wonder why Germany is making up all those things,
it's because I caught him influencing France into attacking
Italy. He's denying it of course, but the west is a mess
because of it. Can you imagine that Germany is doing our
job and we just have to sit back and watch the show ;-)
I also heard from Russia and I expect him to start working
on you to turn the tide. Obviously, I hope he won't be
successfull, but if you start having doubts, just let me know
and we will see what we can do.
Philippe
Message to all
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Message from Turkey to all
I only move in accordance with the voices in my head....
jason
Message from Turkey to Germany
Good to hear from you. Enjoying your broadcasts. ;-)
I appreciate your concern. It looks like you and France have a solid
agreement up there!
So, what are your thoughts on Sweden?
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
So far, so good. Sorry if I took too long to reply. As you said, busy
day at work.
Russia and Germany already sent me messages, with the obvious (sometimes
crazy) contents. I am a little concerned France getting strong quickly,
as that will compromise our position in the Med. Otherwise, things look
fine.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Well, the war begins.
I'm a little surprised at the apparent FG coordination, especially
against Italy. From what I'm being told, that was Germany's idea. With
FG both getting two builds, do you think they might turn them on you, or
head east?
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, that sucked!
Anything I can do to help right now? I don't know of any plan by Austria
to help France, but I can try and talk him out of it if need be.
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Well, I trust the observers are eagerly picking apart the first turn.
From my perspective, it didn't go as well as I'd hoped. Italy won't be
getting any builds (likely), so that will hurt going after Austria.
Russia kept all his units together, instead of spreading out. That helps
diplomatically (I can claim he hosed me), but makes taking Sev harder.
For their parts, FG seem to have everything under control.
Onward!
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
I understand your frustration, but from my perspective AT is way better
than Rt. For that matter, you didn't exactly move in a standard Rt
formation, either! Keeping your armies in the south makes it seem that
you were headed my way.
I'm always willing to negotiate, so let me know how you're prefer to
proceed.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Well, the war begins.
Here we go!
> I'm a little surprised at the apparent FG coordination, especially
> against Italy. From what I'm being told, that was Germany's idea. With
> FG both getting two builds, do you think they might turn them
> on you, or head east?
Hard to say. We will learn a great deal in the fall. I am trying to get
two builds myself; we will see how it goes.
I think the spring went very well for you. I am hopeful Germany will bounce
Russia in Sweden for you & I will try to find out his intentions. Right now
he is non-committal; I think he is waiting to figure out how he wants to
proceed in the west.
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
> So far, so good. Sorry if I took too long to reply. As you said, busy
> day at work.
No problem. I know we have some time ahead of us, but
can you confirm Arm-Sev, Ank-Bla & Bul s Bud-Rum?
> Russia and Germany already sent me messages, with the obvious (sometimes
> crazy) contents. I am a little concerned France getting strong quickly,
> as that will compromise our position in the Med. Otherwise, things look
> fine.
My take on things is that he will probably get attacked by
either England or Germany, and maybe both.
Philippe
Message from Russia to Turkey
>from my perspective AT is way better than Rt.
On what basis do you say this? Did you come into the game with
essentially an auto-alliance of AT in mind?
By writing "Rt" rather than "RT" I assume you are implying that RT is
always in Russia's favor. But RT does not require Turkey to be a
junior partner. And that's what negotiation allows addressing .
>I understand your frustration,
To be honest, I don't think you do. I don't like that you chose AT
over RT, but that's disappointing, not frustrating. What's
frustrating is that you have some personal notion of what it means to
have an RT, and you have decided that that idea, whatever it is, must
be what mine is, and it must be bad for you compared to what you
think an AT is.
But I don't have preconceived notions about what RT cooperation is
other than us agreeing to moves that we think will benefit us both
and allow us both to move west quickly. I have no idea what you think
makes RT bad for Turkey -- even after your message saying that it is
-- so I don't know how to offer an arrangement that works better for
you. From my perspective, it's like you came in to play a no press
game with me, and that's what's frustrating.
>For that matter, you didn't exactly move in a standard Rt formation, either!
This is circular reasoning. You specifically asked, several times,
that I not do anything that looked like there was RT cooperation.
Please don't try to make me out as being antagonistic for following
your request.
>Keeping your armies in the south makes it seem that you were headed my way.
The "standard" method through which Russia attacks Turkey is to take
Rum with a fleet, build F Sev, then take Bla, Arm and Ank with those
fleets. A Mos is irrelevant to that sequence, and can just as easily
be built in 1903 as put there in 1901. The only reason A Mos is
useful is as defense for Sev in case Turkish puts an army in Arm. It
has the added flexibility of being able to defend War if Austria goes
to Gal, which is important to me, though largely irrelevant to your
concerns.
>I'm always willing to negotiate, so let me know how you're prefer to proceed.
I hope I explained this above, but in case it's not clear, I'd like
to know why it is that RT is Rt in your mind. Knowing this, we can
talk about ways to make it into an actual RT and work together.
Without knowing this, I don't know what I can offer in terms of
arrangements or concessions that will make a difference.
--- Tzarface
Message from France to Turkey
Jason:
Bold opening. You must have some wacky voices in your head. What are you
planning on doing with that army in Armenia now? Pulling it back, like I
have to do with A Pie ;)?
Erik
Message from Turkey to Austria
I can confirm all those moves (Sev, Bla and support). As long as France
is kept in check, this should go well.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Sounds good. I've got a message in to Germany as well. Hopefully the two
of us can establish footholds in the corners to expand from.
jason
Message from Turkey to France
You know those voices, never can tell what they'll say next. :-)
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
In the end, I decided that for the moment working with Austria would be
a better move for me. That doens't rule out ever working with you, and
in fact I have a good idea of when I'd like to work with you again. With
England heading for a northern attack, I suspect you'll need friends in
the future.
As to my circular reasoning, I was merely pointing out that not moving
to Gal (and forcing a bounce) allows Austria more leverage against RT.
jason
Message from Italy to all
Good Morning...
I owe almost all of you press. Sorry about that, i was without access all
weekend.
It will be coming out shortly.
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Well, that sucked!
>
That is a word for it.
> Anything I can do to help right now? I don't know of any plan by Austria
> to help France, but I can try and talk him out of it if need be.
I think the Austrian wants to work with me, but any words of encouragement
would be appreciated.
thanks
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason....
I have an idea....dont know how keen on it you will be, but I thought I
would ask....
I think I have the french off my back, and I want to position for whatever
comes next....
Would you consider supporting APU - GRE
Thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
OK. I'm not sure what France will do exactly,
but I would be surprise to see him expand
quickly, so it shouldn't pose a problem for us.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Italy
Good to hear from you. From all I'm getting, France isn't too keen to
press the attack. This comes from both him and Austria.
As for Apu - Gre, I have to support Austria for now. I'd prefer you go
for Tun, and leave Gre to me, as otherwise I'll be fairly bottled up for
now.
jason
Message from Turkey to Austria
Glad to hear about France. He said something similar to me, so we seem
to be on track.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> As for Apu - Gre, I have to support Austria for now. I'd prefer you go
> for Tun, and leave Gre to me, as otherwise I'll be fairly bottled up for
> now.
>
Ok.
Let me ask you a question.
If I am not fighting you. And you are supporting the Austrian. And the
Austrian insists on continuing to hedgehog.....
Where exactly am I supposed to go.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Sorry, I wasn't clear about that.
I'm supporting the Austrian into Rum against Russia. I felt that it was
most important to contain Russia this turn, so I could get Sev before
turning west.
If you think that strategy is a non-starter., I'm always open to suggestion.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> I'm supporting the Austrian into Rum against Russia. I felt that it was
> most important to contain Russia this turn, so I could get Sev before
> turning west.
Which unit are you supporting into Rum??
Message from Turkey to Italy
I'm supporting Bud into Rum, so there's a change Ser will try for Gre.
That's unlikely, though, as he'll likely just bounce Rum then.
jason
Message from Russia to Turkey
>In the end, I decided that for the moment working with Austria would be
>a better move for me. That doens't rule out ever working with you, and
>in fact I have a good idea of when I'd like to work with you again. With
>England heading for a northern attack, I suspect you'll need friends in
>the future.
From my point of view I need friends in the present. If you are just
waiting until I get "desperate", you don't have anything to wait for! The
only reason I haven't been negotiating specific moves with you is because I
have read your messages as stating that you are committed to attacking me
for the short term. So I've been focused on getting you to see that there
are options for us to cooperate. If you are worried about my fleet, I can
look to disband it. If you want to see a stronger front against Austria, I
can do that. But not while you are in the middle of attacking me.
Again, I'd rather find friends now than later. At the moment, you are the
only person who is obviously attacking me. Assuming you continue to attack
me for several seasons, it's risky to think I'll be more disposed to work
with you after you've held me still long enough for AEG to pile on, rather
than working to help someone else (presumedly Austria) against you.
>As to my circular reasoning, I was merely pointing out that not moving
>to Gal (and forcing a bounce) allows Austria more leverage against RT.
I told you I was looking at negotiating a DMZ in Gal. If that was an issue
to you against an RT, I'dve appreciated a heads up. It was not obviously a
bad thing for an RT to me, especially given that you wanted to hide any RT
cooperation. The point of telling you I was talking about it was to give
you an opportunity to tell me it could be a problem. It was not meant as a
"there's going to be a DMZ, deal with it" communication.
So again I'm having trouble understanding what you are looking to
accomplish. What is it that you think I'll be willing to do if England is
attacking me that you think I won't be willing to do now?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to all
Greetings all,
While I'm still technically on vacation, I'm back with net access again. I
have a few minutes to write press before we're out to run errands, so I
might not get to send all the press I'd like, but I'm generally available
again. Sorry for the delay.
--- Tzarface
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Well, it's about time for another turn (finally!), so I better send out
my seasonal self-report.
Russia is really giving me a hard time about this whole RT thing, and I
really have no idea why. Does he think I'm going to support him just
because he badgers me about it? Fat chance!
Looks like Italy will take Gre, which I'd really prefer he not, but I'm
not in a position to stop him right now.
Otherwise, hopefully I'mm get position on Russia this turn so I can move
on Sev next. We'll see.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Haven't heard from you in a while, so I wanted to make sure everything's
still on track. Do you need anything from me now?
jason
Message from Turkey to England
It's been a while between turns, so I wanted to check in. Everything
good to go on that half of the board?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message from jasonab@acm.org as Turkey to Italy in 'c2':
>
> Haven't heard from you in a while, so I wanted to make sure everything's
> still on track. Do you need anything from me now?
All good and boring as ever.
Just waiting for the bloody turn to process.
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> It's been a while between turns, so I
> wanted to check in. Everything good
> to go on that half of the board?
Ups and downs. I had been promised BEL but now I am learning I will be
bounced out; that's the way it goes.
How are things with you? Will Russia be getting RUM, do you think?
Ben
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
This is just to confirmed Bud-Rum supported by Ser & Bul.
It's probably unncessary, but I didn't want to take any
chances following what I received from Ben. When even
those who approved of anti-russian plans expect me to go
for Greece, there's a risk you would also and I wanted to
be 100% clear about my intention. On the positive side, it's
proof that we are good at keeping secret ;-)
Yours truly,
Philippe
Message from Master to all
Players,
Since mail to and from the judge has been running extremely slow over
the past several days, I'm extending the deadline.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Italy to all
Folks....we have had more than enough time to put these bloody orders
in....
If you have wait set....get rid of it.
If you havent put your orders in yet......get with the program, its taken
19 days to play 1 season...and its been 13 days since Spring 01 processed,
this is not rocket science...noone has more than 4 units on the board.
rant off.
Message from Turkey to Austria
Confirm that I'm supporting Bud - Rum with Bul. What exactly did Ben say?
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Hey Ben,
No, I don't figure Russia will get Rum - Austria's pretty gung-ho about
it. I guess he could cross me up, but he's been fairly adamant.
Just wish the turn would move on....
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> No, I don't figure Russia will get Rum - Austria's pretty gung-ho about
> it. I guess he could cross me up, but he's been fairly adamant.
The longer you can ride that horse the better for you, my friend. The T/A
will favor you as long as Andy is in Italy and your growth is comparable to
Austria's.
> Just wish the turn would move on....
Now that the Judge is up it shouldn't be long.
Ben
Message from Master to all
Players,
Sorry about the long delay here. It seems that a few days ago,
everything that could go wrong did. Fortunately, I think that I've got
it all straightened out and the judge should be running better than
ever now. However, just to be sure, I'd like each of you to submit
press saying that you're not having any more trouble with the judge.
Once I see that from each of you, I'll remove wait and let the turn,
finally, process. The deadline is currently set for this Monday, so
it'll process then at the latest.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Confirm that I'm supporting Bud - Rum with Bul. What exactly did Ben say?
He was infering I was going for Greece. Since I wasn't very
clear with the rest of the board, they don't need to know our
plan afterall, I expected him to have heard it from someone
else, but he told me later on that he was just guessing.
Anyway, wether there's a rumor running around or he really
was only guessing, the important part for me was that you
knew the real deal.
Philippe
Message from Master to all
Players,
I've removed wait, since all seven players seem to be able to access
the judge. If any of you have wait set, please remove it, and maybe
we'll finally get this turn processed.
Greg, GM
C2
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Fleet Trieste SUPPORT Italian Army Apulia → Venice (*void*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Yorkshire → Holland
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Yorkshire → North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Spain (south coast)
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
Germany: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT Russian Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Belgium
Italy: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Greece
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Armenia → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Austrian Army Budapest → Rumania
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