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Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Gist of it is, I'd prefer the build, but as long as you build an army,
> it won't bother me too much.
No problem. It allows me to replace it with another Austrian dot, and its
only one season, you get it next year.
thanks Jason...appreciate you understanding.
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
Jason,
> What are you thinking regarding Serbia?
The short and obvious answer is that, since Andy promise truces after
truces only to keep attacking me, I wish to prevent him from profiting
of my demise and would like to support you in Serbia.
The more complex answer is that Andy's hold on you is so strong that
I can't achieve anything in this game and will soon be eliminated (there's
no balance of power in the south, except between Eric & Andy). I'm
not please that you let yourself being used that way, but my grievances
are with the master responsible for this situation, not with the pawn.
Sorry about the pawn part, but this is how I feel.
If only you had accepted my desperate plan to have you become a
major power in the south within an RT, then I wouldn't be too worried
to see Andy be successfull in the end; but with Eric in Rum, the best
you can now hope is to be a minor partner in an alliance with Russia,
with a good chance of being squeezed by RI. Believe it or not, you are
Andy's next target. France is too strong for him to take on and
Germany is allready being invaded by 3 power, wich doesn't leave
much for a fourth invader. Going after Russia would mean surrounding
you, so he might as well attack you with Russia's assistance to get the
units he need to keep France in line and insure his place in an FIR
draw.
To improve your chances of survival, I only see two options. Keep me
alive, wich you don't seem interested in, or make sure to be bigger
then Italy so you get chosen to be the third partner for the draw,
squeezing Italy between FT.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Yes, I'm well aware of the potential for IR. You seemed to indicate in
your first message, though, that you had a plan for me to get Ser and
Gre with your help. What specific plan did you have in mind?
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Yes, I'm well aware of the potential for IR. You seemed to indicate in
> your first message, though, that you had a plan for me to get Ser and
> Gre with your help. What specific plan did you have in mind?
Simply that I support Bul-Ser. You can get Greece
simply with Aeg-Gre. With Andy's position, at most
you bounce this year and get it next year; but since
you have been working faithfully with him, there's a
good chance of your getting it this fall as he plan his
moves against me.
Philippe.
P.-S. As long as I have my fleet in Adr, there's also
an attack of Ion that can be usefull to you.
Message from Master to all
Players,
I'm extending the deadline by a week at a player's request.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Turkey to Austria
Very well, please support Bul - Ser. That should work well for both of us.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Austria is offering to support Bul - Ser, and I'm going to take it. Go
ahead with the shuffle this turn, and we should be in good shape to move
next year.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
You have been getting mighty quiet again, are we good.
What do you see as the plan?
Andy
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Very well, please support Bul - Ser. That should work well for both of us.
OK. Looking forward to seeing Andy take a hit ;-)
Philippe
Message from France to all
Folks --
Sorry if I haven't been responding to press, but I was away for
Thanksgiving. My girlfriend's parents don't have dial-up, much less
broadband, so I was kind of in the stone ages for a few days there. I will
get back to you all later today.
Erik
Message from Russia to Turkey
>Austria is offering to support Bul - Ser, and I'm going to take it. Go
>ahead with the shuffle this turn, and we should be in good shape to move
>next year.
He hinted that he might offer you that, but I didn't want to be pushy and
suggest you go for it if you didn't ask me. Given that he hinted it to me,
that either means that he really means it, or that he's up to something
with Italy. I think the move makes sense overall, because as I've said a
few times, you'd really be trusting Andy not to protect Gre otherwise.
Have I really not sent you any press all this season? If so, I apologize.
I've been sick and offline most of the time, but I still thought I had sent
something. Bad ally! I promise to try to be better.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
No problem on the lack of press. I've been fairly slack myself with
Thanksgiving and what not.
Andy wants me to let him keep Gre to get a build, but that's not going
to happen. Good luck this year.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Sorry about that, what with the deadline extended, I figured we'd have
something new to talk about by now. :-)
I think you expressed the plan that you keep Ser and Gre this turn,
allowing you to keep the pressure on Austria. I keep holding back Russia.
Next year, I get Gre, you move east, and you and Russia end up splitting
up Austria (at least, I assume that's what will happen). I'll obviously
need to retake Rum at some point in all this to keep Russia honest.
Does that sound about right?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Does that sound about right?
>
Sounds perfect....excellent
Message from Russia to Turkey
Hey Jason,
I was looking over the board a bit and trying to get a sense of how we should
go forward, and I was thinking also about the general discussion we had about
DMZing the Black.
As I said earlier, I think it's too early this year you to vacate Black, but
I have an idea for next year that DMZes the Black and gets us both a lot of
momentum east. Tell me what you think about this:
After our moves in Spring, you should be in Ser and Bul. What if, instead of
me swapping my units around, I keep F Rum. You build F Smy and continue to
press Italy and head for Gre. Then in Spring, you move Bla-Rum with support
and disband my fleet, while supporting me to Bud with Ser. In Fall, I will
then support myself to Rum, and you can disband F Rum. That puts us in the
same position we've been discussing, but both without fleets on Black. You
can build and extra fleet for the Med (or an army if you need one) and I can
build in the north somewhere. Actually, we should both end up building two
units -- you for Gre and also the replacement for F Rum, me for Bud and for
replacing F Rum.
To be honest, your fleet in Bla doesn't really bother me, so while I think
this is a good option for both of us, I'm open to the idea of you having F
Bla there for longer, or just sailing it out Con. But I thought (1) it seems
kind of silly for us to both have units pointing at each other if we're
cooperating and (2) you might like seeing my fleet disappear.
Let me know what you think about this idea. The reason I raise it now is
because it would require me to keep my fleet in Rum, since you can't support
an attack on Sev (and I can't support you attacking me either), which affects
this season's moves.
--- Eric
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
I am having sort of a running dialog with Andy, and I would like to know, what would you like me to encourage him to do?
Hope all is well with you - of course I worry for you as for me, a smaller power trapped between two larger ones.
Best wishes & good luck.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
> As I said earlier, I think it's too early this year you to vacate Black,
but
> I have an idea for next year that DMZes the Black and gets us both a lot of
> momentum east.
Duh! Obviously I meant west.
Your directionally challenged friend,
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to England
Talking with Andy, huh. Good deal. Just let me know if you think he's
coming after me sooner or later. I'm fairly sure it's sooner, but if you
have better info, that'd be great.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Thanks for your note.
Your plan makes sense. I'd prefer to hold Rum in the long run, and I
certainly understand you wanting Bla empty in the long run.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Talking with Andy, huh. Good deal. Just let me know if you think he's
> coming after me sooner or later. I'm fairly sure it's sooner, but if you
> have better info, that'd be great.
Actually I had thought he was attacking France, though it's possible he is
moving in both directions at once. . .
Good luck, if you're right.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Just want to verify that what I suggested would have me keeping Rum next
season. I'm open to you having Rum after that (or even right away if I
actually gain ground in other areas) but for now I was saying, you get Ser
and Gre, I get Bud, and we both disband our fleets. Given that, does it still
work for you?
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
Damned with all my typos!
Just want to verify that what I suggested would have me keeping Rum next
>year< [I said "season" in the last message"]. I'm open to you having Rum
after that (or even right away if I actually gain ground in other areas) but
for now I was saying: you get Ser and Gre (plus Tri if we're really lucky), I
get Bud and keep Rum, and we both disband our fleets. Given that, does it
still work for you?
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to England
Heading west? That's strange - he tried to move his fleets to Alb and
Ion last turn. Doesn't seem consistent.
Ah, well, either way.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Ok, let me make sure I'm clear. I would get Rum in 1905, not 1904?
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Heading west? That's strange - he tried to move his fleets to Alb and
> Ion last turn. Doesn't seem consistent.
Well, it's not totally farfetched, considering (a) he is at war with
Austria as well, and (b) whatever he was *trying* to do, his position could
go either way *now*. But it's not like Andy exactly tells me what he's
thinking, either - I'm trying to read between the lines here - so as you
say:
> Ah, well, either way.
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
I am not sure what your relationship with Russia is, but it appears that
you and he have been slowly burying the hatchet, and he is getting at
least one build up north, maybe 2 if the English get sloppy. And he is
begging me to attack you, or support him to attack you. WHICH WILL NOT
HAPPEN.
I have been looking at the map, and if I am Russia, my moves are;
SEV - ARM
RUM - BUL (which he thinks I am supporting him to)
UKR - RUM
GAL s UKR - RUm
It leaves SEV for a build an gets me position on you all over the place,
while Italy twists in the wind aginst Austria.
protect yourself, or hell...move on him...he is getting way too big
anyway.
take care
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
Thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure to cover myself.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
I just received an interesting communique from Andy. I am now pretty confident of IF conflict in the /very/ /near/ future, and I would urge you to let them go at each other without interfering against Andy. France is big enough, and if Russia comes down hard on you you will need such help as you can get from Andy.
I do not think you will need to decide on this point in the immediate future, but if you are thinking along these lines, please let me know so we can sort out the best global strategy. Right now the two leaders are F and R, and you and I will both do well to see their growth curtailed. . .
What do you think?
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Well, that complicates things.
Austria has promised to support me to Ser this turn, and I was hoping to
get Gre on top of that. That would give me two builds, and better parity
with Russia. I can shift to attacking Rum if you think that's a better idea.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Austria has promised to support me to Ser this turn, and I
> was hoping to
> get Gre on top of that. That would give me two builds, and
> better parity
> with Russia. I can shift to attacking Rum if you think that's
> a better idea.
Actually, I do think that's a better idea. Long term an AT is more
favorable to T than an RT, which is notoriously pro-Russia. Plus you'd clip
his wings before he comes down on you first.
I'll send Austria a note trying to grease those wheels.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason, I sent this on Friday, but I don't see the judge confirmation. If this
is a duplicate please excuse me. (Technically, it's slightly different than
what I sent Friday -- I made a few minor proofreading edits before resending,
but it's really the same message.)
Actually, my original proposal was that I keep Rum. I had not initially
considered that you would want Rum, so honestly had not included it. But
since it's important to you, I modified my proposal to try to take your
desire into account. The logic of my suggestion depended on the idea that we
both end up disbanding units without losing any centers, so it would have to
be you taking Rum in 05 for my plan to work.
The point of having you disband Rum and then me disband it right afterwards
is to allow both of us a "free build". Whether or not you keep Rum in '04,
you still get a build. Giving you Rum in 04 doesn't really help you against
AI (you build one with it or with out it), and it hurts me (I lose one
unit) so yes, I would want to hold Rum in 04. This lets us both rebuild right
on the front lines, which will help me get a center somewhere to make up for
the loss of Rum when it does come.
For you Bla turns into Smy, giving you support in Eas and pressure on Andy.
And even better, because you will be disbanding my F Rum before you go, you
don't have to worry about what I might do with my fleet when you vacate Bla.
Same thing for me -- it DMZes the Bla and it gives me a free unit on my front
lines in exchange for removing what is basically a useless fleet. In essence
we both get a build without having to actually gain any centers. After that,
we can still cooperate to each get at least one build off of AI. That means
three builds for you in two years (four if we get lucky and can get you Tun,
Nap or Tri in 04, all of which are real possibilities). So I really didn't
think me holding Rum in 04 would be a problem for you.
Obviously, if I'm do really well up north then I can probably give you Rum in
04. But I'm assuming I will need the rebuilt unit in the short term, so would
like to hold onto Rum in 04 so I can get enough units in place to get center
to make up for its loss when I do hand it over.
I'm hoping that being specific here about why I want Rum in 04 and why it
doesn't hurt you is helpful and not annoying. Tell me if I'm sounding too
much like a Ronco commercial or anything ("it slices, captures SCs *and*
takes out the trash!")
Have a good weekend. It sounds like it shouldn't be a problem for me to hold
F Rum in place, so I'll do that and we can continue to discuss details of 04
through the builds if you have other suggestions.
Gotta run. Let me know if I'm missing anything!
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria and Turkey
Greetings neighbors.
I've already told Philippe this, but because it's a potentially big screwup
that affects, I wanted to warn you both about my recent blunder and give some
thoughts.
My error was that I inadvertently sent a message intended for Philippe about
Andy to Andy. The message didn't say much at all (because I don't know much
about what Andy is going to do) but I did have an offhand reference to Andy
losing Ser in the message. A small comment, but potentially a big deal.
It is my understanding that you two are planning to cooperate to take Ser
from Andy this Fall (this statement should not be breaking any confidences,
since I've said this to each of you privately). Other than the above snafu, I
haven't said anything about it to Andy. If you two were hoping for surprise,
that may not be much consolation. If you want to keep the surprise, it would
be sufficient for either of you to respond (if he asks) by saying that I have
been led to believe that Philippe thinks Jason is helping him with Ser,
whereas Jason has told me he's not going to.
Again, my apologies for the screw up, and I hope that this three way press
doesn't make things worse. Since I'm only reporting on my screw up and
repeating things I've said to both of you, I'm hoping this is more helpful
than hurtful.
Here's hoping you guys don't lynch me for stupidity....
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Austria and Russia
No problem on the errant message. We'll stick to the plan.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
I agree AT is more favorable, but right now there's not much A. I think
I'll stick to the Ser/Gre plan for now, get my two builds, and worry
about Russia later. It's my only real way to expand for the moment.
jason
Message from Austria to Russia and Turkey
> No problem on the errant message. We'll stick to the plan.
Yeah, there's nothing Andy can do against my support in Ser.
Philippe
Austria: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Trieste
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria → Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Fleet Adriatic Sea → Trieste
England: Fleet Denmark → Kiel
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet Skagerrak → Denmark
England: Fleet Skagerrak → Denmark
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland (*cut*)
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Belgium
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Belgium (*cut*)
France: Fleet Marseilles → Spain (south coast)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Irish Sea
France: Army Paris → Gascony
Germany: Army Berlin → Silesia (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Fleet Helgoland Bight → Holland (*cut, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Munich → Silesia (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Belgium (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rome → Venice
Italy: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece (*cut, dislodged*)
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT English Fleet Denmark → Kiel
Russia: Army Galicia → Bohemia
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden
Russia: Fleet Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
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