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Message from Austria to Italy
Hi Andy,
Any idea for this year? France seem to be backing off
and Turkey isn't investing in naval power, this should
leave you with plenty of room to maneuver.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
A little late in the game but is there any chance of AI doing something
together? RT will be all over you this year
Message from Austria to Russia
Hi Eric,
It seem I haven't much time left. The imbroglio between England &
France, while good for your situation in the north, has slowed up the
french invasion of Italy. At the same time, it seem that Jason has
renewed his alliance with Andy. How else can you explain his leaving
Greece peacefully and his decision to build an army instead of a fleet?
This mean that Andy is free to maneuver as he please and this has
never paid up for me in this game.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, your new army in Warsaw is there to insure
no southern power mess up your plan and to pick up whatever is left
from me. Had the situation been different, I wouldn't have appreciated
the implication of this build for me, but the situation being what it is, it's
not going to prevent me from working with you.
If you accept to keep me around to the end, with my current sc count
as a minimum, I will spend the rest of the game helping you solo. With
9 sc and the current situation in Europe, your chances of soloing are
good but still fragile, so it would be a fair deal for both of us. You get
to improve your odds of soloing and I get to have fun helping you along
or even share a draw if the solo isn't possible
Let me know what you think of this,
Philippe
Message from Austria to Germany
> A little late in the game but is there any chance of AI doing something
> together? RT will be all over you this year
Tony,
Is anyone around? I have no news from
Andy following the adjustment phase.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
If you guys opt to pick at Russia one sc at a time then support of kie - mun
would be appreciated.
I think this time around EFG will be working together. Although Russia can
retreat to BER an EFG can help AI in the short term. I am sure all three of
us would prefer Russia to solo than just have us 3 removed. Lets delay that
option for as long as possible. I can see TYR doing anything else useful
right now. There is always hope ;-)
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
What can I do for you.
Message from Austria to Italy
> What can I do for you.
Beside help me survive, I don't know ;-) Seriously, I would
appreciate seeing you move Tyr-Boh and have your fleets
put some pressure on Turkey; but I'm open to any plans you
might have.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > What can I do for you.
>
> Beside help me survive, I don't know ;-) Seriously, I would
> appreciate seeing you move Tyr-Boh and have your fleets
> put some pressure on Turkey; but I'm open to any plans you
> might have.
No problem.
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany
> If you guys opt to pick at Russia one sc at a time then support of kie - mun
> would be appreciated.
> I think this time around EFG will be working together. Although Russia can
> retreat to BER an EFG can help AI in the short term. I am sure all three of
> us would prefer Russia to solo than just have us 3 removed. Lets delay that
> option for as long as possible. I can see TYR doing anything else useful
> right now. There is always hope ;-)
I finally heard from Andy, but his response was so curt
that I'm pretty sure that he isn't going to help me like he
indicated.
Good luck to you, but I doubt I'm going to survive.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Austria
With no reply from Russia, Germany that indicate that
it's too early to help Russia solo and Italy that issue
very limited press, it's clear that I'm out of here.
My best guess is that Eric leaked my press to Andy
as part of an IR alliance and that Tony was somehow
made aware of it. He probably thought that a solo
wasn't realistic at the moment and that he was better
off working with Andy to take out Jason.
Anyway, I'm going to issue Vie-Tyr & Tri-Ven and
see where this lead.
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
It seem I'm going to read your comments pretty soon and I hope
it will help me understand you (if it's not the case, please take the
time to slip in what's missing for me to understand).
Also, it's no big surprise and I allready warned you about it in the
past; but prepare yourself for some IR fun.
Good luck to you,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
Sorry for the long delay. I was busy and then had some ISP problems.
> It seem I haven't much time left. The imbroglio between England &
> France, while good for your situation in the north, has slowed up the
> french invasion of Italy.
Yeah, but I still think it was giving him back Gre that made Italy's position
so strong.
> At the same time, it seem that Jason has
> renewed his alliance with Andy. How else can you explain his leaving
> Greece peacefully and his decision to build an army instead of a fleet?
I have no other good explanation for it.
> Also, unless I'm mistaken, your new army in Warsaw is there to insure
> no southern power mess up your plan and to pick up whatever is left
> from me.
The point was to protect the south. In the choice of War/Mos, War gives more
flexibility for me. It wasn't aimed at you, Germany or Turkey, just seemed
the best spot to cover whatever came up. I really don't consider Bud to be
mine (I can't hold it) and I don't want to see you fall, given the apparent
IT alliance. So whether you want to help me or not, it's good for me to see
you around, which is exactly why I recognized (too late to do any good) that
it was a mistake to take Bud, and why I offered to support Tri-Ser.
> If you accept to keep me around to the end, with my current sc count
> as a minimum, I will spend the rest of the game helping you solo.
Keeping Turkey out of your centers should be easy. Keeping Andy out of your
centers will be more difficult. But it should be doable.
> With 9 sc and the current situation in Europe, your chances of soloing
> are good but still fragile, so it would be a fair deal for both of us.
> You get to improve your odds of soloing and I get to have fun helping
> you along or even share a draw if the solo isn't possible
I'm very much up for this. As I said in my last press, even giving back Bud
is doable.
The question is what makes the most sense to keep you in a strong position?
Tri-Ser should succeed (depending on whether or not Jason is attacking Bud),
but with no unit in Alb, it's harder to hold Ser (if we assume Con-Bul, Ser
retreats to Alb). We could instead have you hold your position, and let me
use Bud to support something into Rum in Spring (which might disband a
Turkish army in the process), and then I could support you (or you could
support me) into Ser in the Fall. The real question is what do you think Andy
will be doing in the meantime? I wouldn't be surprised to see him support
Ser-Tri, but I really don't know. He asked me for support into Vie, and I
told him I'm not planning on moving to Vie (this was before getting your
message offering to work together) so I don't expect Tyl to go to Vie, though
he might if he expects Tri S Vie-Bud.
What's your take? I know the deadline is very close, but I've asked for a
brief extension. We may be able to come to some agreement on best moves
before they are due.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> What's your take? I know the deadline is very close, but I've asked for a
> brief extension. We may be able to come to some agreement on best moves
> before they are due.
It's probably too late to discuss how to further your solo
along , so complex plan necessiting close collaboration
will have to wait a bit. I suggest you go with your plan
that may force Jason to disband and see what we can
come up with next turn.
In the mean time, could you unequivocally indicate that
you accept my deal and will do everything you can to
keep me in the game?
Philippe.
P.-S. Small suggestion, what do you think of attacking
Tyr or supporting an austrian attack on Tyr while moving
to Boh to block a retreat that way?
Message from Russia to Austria
> In the mean time, could you unequivocally indicate that
> you accept my deal and will do everything you can to
> keep me in the game?
Absolutely. While there may be occasional times that I want to look peaceful
towards Jason or Andy to try to break up IT, I *absolutely* want to keep you
in the game. In my view, if I were to get close to a solo, any two centers
you hold would not be the difference (meaning, there would be no need to
eliminate you) and if I don't and we have a draw, then it doesn't matter how
many remaining powers there are, and I trust you more than either Andy or
Jason anyway, so would prefer that you be one of the ones (or the only one)
to remain should we end up in a draw position.
The attack on Tri suggestion is *very* intriguing. Would you want me to end
up in Boh? The two possibilities are Tri-Tyl, Vie-Boh/Sil-Boh (bounce) or
Vie-Tyl, Sil-Boh. I think the latter makes more sense. You would probably
want to move Tri-Ser to either cut support for Rum-Bud, and if Jason moves
Ser-Bud it gives you Ser and we get a guaranteed attack on Bud in the Fall
(Tri/Ser/Vie/Gal all available to attack it).
So at the risk of doing something stupid because I've failed to think it
through, I think it sounds like a great idea. (I've spent all of 2 minutes
thinking it over without looking at a map, so there may be flaws!)
Do you want to try this? Specifically, Vie-Tyl, Tri-Ser, Sil-Boh and Mun S
Vie-Tyl? Do you see any downsides I'm overlooking? Vie would end up vacant,
but unthreatened, and we'd have the ability to basically assure Ser for one
or the other of us in Fall unless Jason successfully takes Bud, right?
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> Absolutely. While there may be occasional times that I want to look peaceful
> towards Jason or Andy to try to break up IT, I *absolutely* want to keep you
> in the game. In my view, if I were to get close to a solo, any two centers
> you hold would not be the difference (meaning, there would be no need to
> eliminate you) and if I don't and we have a draw, then it doesn't matter how
> many remaining powers there are, and I trust you more than either Andy or
> Jason anyway, so would prefer that you be one of the ones (or the only one)
> to remain should we end up in a draw position.
Thanks, I'm obviously not asking you to make it
obvious you are going for the solo.
> The attack on Tri suggestion is *very* intriguing. Would you want me to end
> up in Boh? The two possibilities are Tri-Tyl, Vie-Boh/Sil-Boh (bounce) or
> Vie-Tyl, Sil-Boh. I think the latter makes more sense. You would probably
> want to move Tri-Ser to either cut support for Rum-Bud, and if Jason moves
> Ser-Bud it gives you Ser and we get a guaranteed attack on Bud in the Fall
> (Tri/Ser/Vie/Gal all available to attack it).
>
> So at the risk of doing something stupid because I've failed to think it
> through, I think it sounds like a great idea. (I've spent all of 2 minutes
> thinking it over without looking at a map, so there may be flaws!)
>
> Do you want to try this? Specifically, Vie-Tyl, Tri-Ser, Sil-Boh and Mun S
> Vie-Tyl? Do you see any downsides I'm overlooking? Vie would end up vacant,
> but unthreatened, and we'd have the ability to basically assure Ser for one
> or the other of us in Fall unless Jason successfully takes Bud, right?
Glad that you are interested by my suggestion. Personaly,
I see two problems: a support from Mun risk getting cut
as you are likely to get attacked & the italian army in Tus
will probably move to Ven, so it might be preferable to
bounce it if we want Tri to be able to support an attack on
Ser in the fall. So it's no surprise that my preference go to
Mun-Tyr supported by Vie with Sil-Boh & Tri-Ven, but
your attack on Rum isn't as likely to succeed this way.
What's your take on this?
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
> Glad that you are interested by my suggestion. Personaly,
> I see two problems: a support from Mun risk getting cut
> as you are likely to get attacked & the italian army in Tus
> will probably move to Ven, so it might be preferable to
> bounce it if we want Tri to be able to support an attack on
> Ser in the fall. So it's no surprise that my preference go to
> Mun-Tyr supported by Vie with Sil-Boh & Tri-Ven, but
> your attack on Rum isn't as likely to succeed this way.
I'm about to leave for those meetings, but here's my thoughts:
You are correct, if Mun is cut, we're screwed, otherwise I like my idea a lot
because it keeps things firmer in the north. Are you hearing anything that
indicates that Mun will be cut?
The problem with Mun-Tyl, Sil-Boh is that it makes it very likely that we
(well, I) end up down one or two in the north. If I start disbanding, then IT
will gain momentum quickly. If Andy has Ven but you have Tyl, the a supported
move to Ser should still succeed, and you can bounce Ven with Tyl-Tri.
So the question comes down to whether or not we expect that Mun will get
tapped. Even if it does I think we have enough units (given A Rum being gone)
to force things in the Fall, but again, I'm doing this in my head.
Another more freakish idea is Mun-Tyl, Sil-Mun, Vie-Boh, Tri S Mun-Tyl,
Bud-Vie and try to force Jason from Ser or Bud in the Fall. Hmm. maybe not so
good.
Think about it and I'll ponder it and let me know what you'd like. I'll be
back in the office in around 3 hours. I'm not sure what timezone you are in,
so if three hours is a burden for you, let me know for when I return.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
I don't know if he's deluding himself, but Tony seem to think that
EFG will all work together and even though EFG collaboration
doesn't seem very likely to me, I suspect that Mun will at least get
attacked by him. When I mentionned an austrian attack of Tyr, I
meant one supported by myself; but the problem is probable
interference from Jason.
If you think of a solution, let me know when you come out of your
meeting and I will do the same (I'm on the eastern time zone and
don't usually deal with email in the evening but will try to be more
available tonight)
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
Hey Philippe. As noted, my concern about moving Mun is that if I lose it I
won't get it back. If EFG really are united, then I'm going to die anyway, so
it hardly matters, but I agree it seems unlikely.
I'm willing to order support to Tyl, and I'm even willing to use Sil in some
way to help you (such as Sil-Boh), even though I think that's a bad move for
me. But it just seems too problematic to move Mun-Tyl.
The other option is to hold off until Fall. I should be able to attack Boh
and Tyl in Fall, and we'll see what the northern powers bring to bear against
me quickly enough to know if we think Mun's support is going to be cut then.
For now I'll put in more defensive orders in the north, but keep sending me
comments if you think that's a bad idea. Even if we end up going passive I'm
still happy to work with you in the Fall.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> Hey Philippe. As noted, my concern about moving Mun is that if I lose it I
> won't get it back. If EFG really are united, then I'm going to die anyway, so
> it hardly matters, but I agree it seems unlikely.
>
> I'm willing to order support to Tyl, and I'm even willing to use Sil in some
> way to help you (such as Sil-Boh), even though I think that's a bad move for
> me. But it just seems too problematic to move Mun-Tyl.
>
> The other option is to hold off until Fall. I should be able to attack Boh
> and Tyl in Fall, and we'll see what the northern powers bring to bear against
> me quickly enough to know if we think Mun's support is going to be cut then.
>
> For now I'll put in more defensive orders in the north, but keep sending me
> comments if you think that's a bad idea. Even if we end up going passive I'm
> still happy to work with you in the Fall.
OK. By the way, what about leaving Rum free to wander
to Gal only to get kill off in the fall? You only need to use
Stp to cover War from Lvn or Mos, while using War in
Pru or Sil. This would allow you to press on your attack
against Germany, especially if Andy go for Boh like I
requested in the past.
I suppose that England would need some time to reposition
his units against you, wich should allow you to setup a more
effective defence in time. Anyway, it's your call, but using
Stp in the middle to get a jump on things seem to be a good
idea (with a fleet in Bal, you would even be able to convoy
Lvn to the front if Jason foil your plan regarding Rum).
Philippe.
P.-S. Supporting me from Mun when it's nearly certain your
support would be cut isn't a good idea. If we don't have
enough time to work out a good plan, you might as well do
your own thing and don't let on the fact that I want to help
you solo.
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
I realize it's probably too late to do this, but if you are still up for the
moves you suggested, I'm willing to give it a try. That would be Mun-Tyl,
Sil-Boh, etc.
The problem is we both need to be online around the same time to make it
work, and it'll only work if F or T stays late long enough.
I'll try to check in tomorrow AM to see if we can work things out. Sorry it
took me so long to come around to your way of thinking. It would have been
better to have decided this when we were both online today, but I was too
focused on what was happening at the office to really see the big picture (I
could picture the individual moves we discussed, but not the overall board).
I hope you're fast asleep by now, and don't expect to see a response from you
until I wake up. If it's too late, it's too late. Clearly that'd be my fault
in any case.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> I realize it's probably too late to do this, but if you are still up for the
> moves you suggested, I'm willing to give it a try. That would be Mun-Tyl,
> Sil-Boh, etc.
>
> The problem is we both need to be online around the same time to make it
> work, and it'll only work if F or T stays late long enough.
>
> I'll try to check in tomorrow AM to see if we can work things out. Sorry it
> took me so long to come around to your way of thinking. It would have been
> better to have decided this when we were both online today, but I was too
> focused on what was happening at the office to really see the big picture (I
> could picture the individual moves we discussed, but not the overall board).
>
> I hope you're fast asleep by now, and don't expect to see a response from you
> until I wake up. If it's too late, it's too late. Clearly that'd be my fault
> in any case.
>
> --- Eric
Well, I'm now up and ready to send in any orders you
might wish me to enter. Currently, I have Vie-Tyr &
Tri-Ven as a way to temporize while protecting Tri to
preserve it's use against Ser in the fall.
Let me know what you want me to enter,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
> Well, I'm now up and ready to send in any orders you
> might wish me to enter. Currently, I have Vie-Tyr &
> Tri-Ven as a way to temporize while protecting Tri to
> preserve it's use against Ser in the fall.
Yeah, I figured that was your best bet.
> Let me know what you want me to enter,
What I'm thinking is your suggestion full out:
Mun-Tyl
Sil-Boh
Vie S Mun-Tyl
Tri-Ven (or Tri-Ser)
Does this still sound good to you?
I'll be on the computer for the next hour at least -- checking for mail every
10-15 minutes. I can't tell when you connected, but it looks like it was at
about 7:00 AM my time, which is about an hour ago.
There's a good chance I'll get destroyed by these moves if there really is an
EFG and Turkey really wants Bud there's nothing I can do to slow either. So I
may as well hope for the best.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> What I'm thinking is your suggestion full out:
>
> Mun-Tyl
> Sil-Boh
> Vie S Mun-Tyl
> Tri-Ven (or Tri-Ser)
>
> Does this still sound good to you?
>
> I'll be on the computer for the next hour at least -- checking for mail every
> 10-15 minutes. I can't tell when you connected, but it looks like it was at
> about 7:00 AM my time, which is about an hour ago.
>
> There's a good chance I'll get destroyed by these moves if there really is an
> EFG and Turkey really wants Bud there's nothing I can do to slow either. So I
> may as well hope for the best.
Yes, I'm changing Vie-Tyr for Vie s Mun-Tyr. I thought about letting
Tus-Ven go through, but if Ser support Tyr-Tri, we would be in a
dangerous position next fall. Still, if you think Tri-Ser is worth the risk,
just let me know and I will change it as well
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
Okay, the die is cast (odd phrase for a dice-less game I guess).
I've got Sil-Boh and Mun-Tyl in place. If you are right about the north,
Mun-Tyl may bounce (if Andy supports someone) but it still seems worth the
attempt to me.
Anything you need from Bud? I could order support for Tri-Ser, but there's an
outside chance Turkey may be hoping for me to support him to Tri in Fall. If
that's the case, it's best that I not look aggressive to him in Spring. Hard
to say, because I've gotten no press from him at all. But in any case,
Tri-Ven is fine by me. I could order Bud-Ser in case, that just seems to go
against the idea of not attacking Jason in Spring. Hmm. I think I'll order
Bud-Ser anyway. That way you are guaranteed keeping Tri and Ven whatever
orders may come up. And with no supports, Bud H is no safer. Sound
reasonable?
And what are you doing monitoring the computer at noon? :) Is it just piling
snow there, or is this a common background activity for you?
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> Okay, the die is cast (odd phrase for a dice-less game I guess).
Let see what happen.
> I've got Sil-Boh and Mun-Tyl in place. If you are right about the north,
> Mun-Tyl may bounce (if Andy supports someone) but it still seems worth the
> attempt to me.
I figure that you meant someone supporting Andy in Mun,
but I doubt it's the way they want to play it.
> Anything you need from Bud? I could order support for Tri-Ser, but there's an
> outside chance Turkey may be hoping for me to support him to Tri in Fall. If
> that's the case, it's best that I not look aggressive to him in Spring. Hard
> to say, because I've gotten no press from him at all. But in any case,
> Tri-Ven is fine by me. I could order Bud-Ser in case, that just seems to go
> against the idea of not attacking Jason in Spring. Hmm. I think I'll order
> Bud-Ser anyway. That way you are guaranteed keeping Tri and Ven whatever
> orders may come up. And with no supports, Bud H is no safer. Sound
> reasonable?
It's your call, but in your place I would order Bud-Ser,
Sev-Rum supported by Ukr. You can sell it as a def.
moves. Afterall, it's not going to succeed unless he try
attacking you.
> And what are you doing monitoring the computer at noon? :) Is it just piling
> snow there, or is this a common background activity for you?
I'm waiting for news from friend via the internet regarding
our get-together later on.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Austria
While it's possible that Eric's excuses are true, I still
believe that he opted for an IR; but I'm going to go
along as it's my best shot at being part of a draw.
Message from Russia to Austria
> I figure that you meant someone supporting Andy in Mun,
> but I doubt it's the way they want to play it.
Whoops! Yes, that is what I meant.
> It's your call, but in your place I would order Bud-Ser,
> Sev-Rum supported by Ukr. You can sell it as a def.
> moves. After all, it's not going to succeed unless he try
> attacking you.
I'm definitely thinking about it, and may go that way. I had that order in
earlier. It's one I keep changing whenever I log in (Sev H vs. Sev-Rum with
Ukr supporting either one).
> I'm waiting for news from friend via the internet regarding
> our get-together later on.
Well, I hope you both have fun. Have a good weekend, and good luck with the
moves!
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Austria
My apologies at the lateness - it's been a busy few days.
Thanks for the IR warning.
jason
Austria: Army Trieste → Venice (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Russian Army Munich → Tyrolia
England: Fleet Belgium → North Sea
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Fleet Holland → Kiel
England: Fleet Holland → Kiel
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea → Skagerrak
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon HOLD
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Portugal
Germany: Army Kiel → Munich
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Kiel → Munich
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Tuscany → Venice (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT German Army Kiel → Munich (*dislodged*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Denmark HOLD
Russia: Army Munich → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Bohemia
Russia: Army St Petersburg HOLD
Russia: Army Sweden SUPPORT Fleet Denmark
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce, dislodged*)
Turkey: Army Serbia → Trieste (*bounce*)
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