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Austria: Builds 2 units
England: Builds 1 unit
France: Builds 1 unit
Germany: Builds 2 units
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Italy to Austria
What can I say....
If the 2 of you take down Russia as fast as it looks like you will, where
does that leave me.
I will behave myself....what would you like to see in order to create at
least a truce between us.
Andy
Message from Germany to Austria
Looks like you have a good deal going on down there.
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
Well I think it was a beautiful year for the Austrian people. GAL assured
in the spring with the complete collapse of Russia to come soon after.
You were brave to put Andy in GRE but I think it was a good choice, as it
permitted you to do what you needed to do against Russia.
Ben
Message from Austria to Germany
> Looks like you have a good deal going on down there.
I wouldn't say that Tony. Even though you had offered it,
I didn't believe you would have bounced Sweden and so
didn't ask you to do so; but if you had, I would have been
better off.
Also, getting attacked by Italy isn't very positive.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
The last thing I want is an AI war, so if you are prepare to
do what's necessary to turn the situation around, I will
gladly cooperate with you later on.
Specifically, I don't want to see you build armies and don't
want to see italian armies in the Balkans. Send Greece
wherever you want, but please move it away from my
border.
Philippe
Message from Austria to England
Hi Ben,
> Well I think it was a beautiful year for the Austrian people. GAL assured
> in the spring with the complete collapse of Russia to come soon after.
>
> You were brave to put Andy in GRE but I think it was a good choice, as it
> permitted you to do what you needed to do against Russia.
In truth, maybe I was a bit naive. I was hoping that
Italy wouldn't attack Austria. Can you believe that ;-)
Anyway, now that I see that Tony can't build a fleet in
Kiel, I would like to congratulate you for your moves,
especially with France going for Bur & Tyr. Hopefully,
France won't stay in Tyrolia too long.
Philippe
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
> In truth, maybe I was a bit naive. I was hoping that
> Italy wouldn't attack Austria. Can you believe that ;-)
So much in Dip is a gamble - I'm not saying he will or won't attack you. I
think you made a choice & I am hoping for both our sakes that it will pay
off. But it was a tough choice, and for your decision, I applaud you. We
will know more when Italy builds; I will be surprised if he builds anything
other than F NAP, which will be pretty neutral and keep his options open.
And if that's what he does, he won't be in a good position to attack you
right away.
> Anyway, now that I see that Tony can't build a fleet in
> Kiel, I would like to congratulate you for your moves,
> especially with France going for Bur & Tyr. Hopefully,
> France won't stay in Tyrolia too long.
I think it is safe to say the French A TYR is more concerned with the
affairs of the West than affairs of the East. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
> The last thing I want is an AI war, so if you are prepare to
> do what's necessary to turn the situation around, I will
> gladly cooperate with you later on.
Ok.
> Specifically, I don't want to see you build armies and don't
> want to see italian armies in the Balkans. Send Greece
> wherever you want, but please move it away from my
> border.
I will do what I can. But it will not likely move until fall.
Andy
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
Sorry, but once Andy told me you suggested he go for Greece,
I wasn't about to pass on Rumania, even though he told me he
didn't intend to follow your suggestion; and it seem it was the
right thing for me to do.
Philippe
Message from Austria to France
Erik,
I'm pleasantly surprise to see you in Tyrolia. I would
have prefered to know about it in advance, but I
suppose you still didn't trust me in regard of Italy.
For my part, since there was to be no attack on Italy,
I saw no problem in supporting Apu-Ven; but we did
lose a good opportunity to bring down Italy a notch.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria
> Also, getting attacked by Italy isn't very positive.>
Hmmm I thought the pair of you had agreed on those moves when I saw them.
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
>Sorry, but once Andy told me you suggested he go for Greece,
>I wasn't about to pass on Rumania, even though he told me he
>didn't intend to follow your suggestion; and it seem it was the
>right thing for me to do.
Well, I can see how from your position it would have made sense. I
was just surprised you used so transparent a deflection to my
question.
FWIW, it's been pretty clear to me (whether I am actually correct or
not) that you have been focusing on AT cooperation, and because of
that, I'm happy to see that Andy moved to Gre (though I didn't expect
it). Even though I suspect he moved there with your blessing, it
still leaves you with a concern to pay attention to, and as long as
there is an AT, I will do whatever I can to take advantage of his
position there.
I trust you are a better player than to have made a decision about
moving against me based on the possibility that I may have suggested
an anti-Austrian move to Andy. Whether or not I actually made any
such suggestion (I did in fact ask him if he thought there was a
strong AT, and if so, whether he thought that taking Gre was a good
counter), I'm in for a very unpleasant game if Andy can manipulate
your moves by making such a straightforward comment. And it's not
like you're not out there talking about anti-Russian moves with other
players yourself.
Obviously I don't like your moves, but as you say, they turned out to
be the best moves you could make given the situation, at least from
the point of view of maximizing SCs. FWIW, had I gotten Rum (which
clearly I did try to take with the fleet) I would have built a fleet
as promised, so without knowing your thinking on longer term issues,
I'm not sure it was the best move for you. I'm just frustrated that
yet again a neighbor has chosen to stifle discussion with comments
like "let's just see how the moves go". Not a very satisfying way to
play the game.
On to more productive points: was Andy's move to Gre something you
negotiated? Despite the hypothetical discussion he and I had, he told
me he would not be moving to Gre. It seems odd to see A Gre there --
F Gre is more conducive to an AI.
--- Tzarface
Message from Austria to Turkey
Hi Jason,
Things aren't going too bad for us. Of course, I would have
prefered not to get attacked by Austria and see Russia get
bounce in Sweden; but in all, we did ok.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Yep, we did ok, aside from Italy in Greece. Now we need to get Russia
out of Sev.
jason
Message from France to Austria
>
> I'm pleasantly surprise to see you in Tyrolia. I would
> have prefered to know about it in advance, but I
> suppose you still didn't trust me in regard of Italy.
Italy wasn't really the issue for me, but my joint planning with other
powers was. What exactly do you think I'm planning to do with A Tyr,
anyway?
> For my part, since there was to be no attack on Italy,
> I saw no problem in supporting Apu-Ven; but we did
> lose a good opportunity to bring down Italy a notch.
Well, it looked to me like you and Turkey had formed some sort of anti-
Russian plan, and I think I'm right about that, yes? I certainly
suggested taking Italy down a notch, but you didn't seem very interested
last season or the season before.
Let me look over the map a little more and get back to you.
Erik
Message from Russia to Austria
So from what I'm hearing it was actually Turkey who arranged with
Italy to see Gre taken. Jason apparently offered to support Andy
there, but realized it would be less hostile-looking to you if
instead he got you to use Ser against Rum.
Any chance you are worried about IT cooperation? You know that I'm
not a threat to you now or for several turns, and now I have a vested
interest in seeing you focus south. Are you willing to consider
cooperation? At this point it wouldn't be more than you going south
and me not moving in behind you, but I'll take what I can get at this
point.
--- Tzarface
Message from Austria to Russia
> So from what I'm hearing it was actually Turkey who arranged with
> Italy to see Gre taken. Jason apparently offered to support Andy
> there, but realized it would be less hostile-looking to you if
> instead he got you to use Ser against Rum.
Haven't had much time to get back to you, but I must say I didn't
expect this one. I had assume that Andy took your suggestion as
an indication to attack me.
> Any chance you are worried about IT cooperation? You know that I'm
> not a threat to you now or for several turns, and now I have a vested
> interest in seeing you focus south. Are you willing to consider
> cooperation? At this point it wouldn't be more than you going south
> and me not moving in behind you, but I'll take what I can get at this
> point.
I'm always open to cooperation with my neighbours and will
accept all the help I can get to defend myself from Andy.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
Hi Andy,
I'm hearing strange things and I do hope that you're
sincere about wanting peace. Anyway, I won't have
to wait too long to know what's really happening.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
Phillipe,
> I'm hearing strange things and I do hope that you're
> sincere about wanting peace. Anyway, I won't have
> to wait too long to know what's really happening.
Currently my options are attacking you, which I sincerely want to not do.
or
Attack Turkey, which I have to set up a bit.
France is not an option right now.....
Message from Austria to France
> Italy wasn't really the issue for me, but my joint planning with other
> powers was. What exactly do you think I'm planning to do with A Tyr,
> anyway?
I assume you are planning Tyr-Mun, but why don't you
simply tell me what you want to do?
> Well, it looked to me like you and Turkey had formed some sort of anti-
> Russian plan, and I think I'm right about that, yes? I certainly
> suggested taking Italy down a notch, but you didn't seem very interested
> last season or the season before.
Things become alot clearer with hindsight ;-( I went
against Russia while still hoping there might be a small
chance of remaining neutral with Andy for the moment.
Very naive of me, I know.
Philippe
Message from Germany to all
Yup, that was the press I was on about.
Well you are at a little crossroad. As we are sure France will be an army then there is no pending threat for you. Usually when playing England its always difficult to get the right amount of armies into play. Usually you need fleets to keep pace with GER fleet build.
This is not the situation in this game. Not only would an army build make me feel more comfortable ;-) but a move nwy - bar, yor - nwyand depending what happens after that edi - nwy sets you up firm in northern russia. Usually to get 2 armies up there is quite a challenge.
But if I were England at this point I too would go for a fleet, probably in EDI but maybe for the show in London ;-)
I will be playing safe and I will be considering all neighbours as hostile in the spring.
Depending on that outcome then anything can happen.
First we have to awit the interesting builds (Italy, Russia, France).
As for me, two armies it has to be. I dont see the point at this stage for a fleet in BER to go after Sweden. If we so decide then either of us can pick it up in the spring or leave it till fall.
It will be interesting to see what the realionship is between AIF.
Speak to you after the builds
Message from Russia to Austria
>Haven't had much time to get back to you, but I must say I didn't
>expect this one. I had assume that Andy took your suggestion as
>an indication to attack me.
Yes, I'm sure he didn't see the possibility on his own. :)
>I'm always open to cooperation with my neighbours and will
>accept all the help I can get to defend myself from Andy.
Well, if you are coming after me, it's in my best interests to see Andy
attack you. I'm not clear what I can do to convince you that working with
me is a good idea. The best I can say is that Jason knew A Gre was coming
and didn't tell you, so he's probably looking to use you for a quick build
in Sev, get your units embroiled against me, and then turn on you. If you
are worried about this (I would be in your case) the I'm hoping we can work
something out. For instance, you could take Bul (I doubt Jason will be
defending it) and Gre this year. I could complete my capture of Rum with a
fleet, and line up against Jason. You end up with a new build, and lots of
leverage over both me and Turkey.
It's largely dependent on how seriously you take the threat from Andy in
Gre, and his ability to influence Jason.
--- Eric
Austria: BUILD Army Budapest
Austria: BUILD Army Vienna
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Army Paris
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Germany: BUILD Army Munich
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Russia: BUILD Army St Petersburg
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 5
England: 4
France: 4
Germany: 5
Italy: 4
Russia: 5
Turkey: 4
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