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Message from Austria to Turkey
> I'm a big fan of survival, myself!
>
> I suspect you'll be Russia's target quite soon, so your survival might
> hinge on keeping him at bay. We started this game working against him,
> and it might be a good idea to try that again before he gets too big for
> the two of us. With Germany gone, so is your biggest benefactor, and
> Russia looks to be all around you.
What do you have in mind? My support of Bul-Ser took care
of that pesky italian army, but it hasn't given me back a third
army to play with. I was ok with that as it provided you with
the fleet you needed to go against Italy, but I would appreciate
getting Ser this year to improve my chances of survival. Would
that be ok for you?
Philippe
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
Having helped the Juggernaut along, I realise the risk I'm currently in,
but I have no intention of going against you as a desperate move.
You have twice my land forces in the region and even if I were able to
take one sc from you, I would not survive your reprisal, not counting
the sharks who would smell blood.
This being said, I'm hoping that my cooperation is worth more then the
few sc you would get out of eliminating me. The counter-part to your
more open path of expansion then Jason is that you also have more
threat to worry about then he. Your position in the north is far from
secure and while Tony, like me, is in trouble, the only gains you have
made out of it at the moment is the retention of your holding in the north
with England is busy elsewhere; but who know how long this will last?
So, since your many units also have multiples places to deal with, I'm
sure you have some good suggestion for us both and I look forward to
hearing them.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
I'm reading the french build as a warning of an imminent
invasion of Italy following a truce with England, are you
reading this the same way?
Philippe
Message from Austria to England
Hi Ben,
Thanks for the warning. I will see what can be done
with Andy. Also, should I congratulate you on making
peace with Eric? I sure would appreciate seeing you
free to move against Erik in the north ;-)
Philippe
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
> Thanks for the warning.
You are welcome. I hope it does you some good.
> I will see what can be done
> with Andy. Also, should I congratulate you on making
> peace with Eric?
Erik, in France, please pass along that I mentioned to you I want to attack
Eric, in Russia, so he is convinced of my sincerity with him. I'd
appreciate it.
> I sure would appreciate seeing you
> free to move against Erik in the north ;-)
Eric, in Russia, yes I would like to be able to move against him as well.
It depends on whether I can pry the French F IRI away from my coastline.
Ben
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
>
> I'm reading the french build as a warning of an imminent
> invasion of Italy following a truce with England, are you
> reading this the same way?
Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
Im also pretty sure I can get England to attakc him full bore.
Message from Austria to England
> It depends on whether I can pry the French F IRI away from my coastline.
Sorry about the confusion with the c & the k, it's been
a while. I still haven't heard back from Erik, but will try
to pass along that you really prefer to go against Russia
then him.
Philippe
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
> Sorry about the confusion with the c & the k, it's been
> a while.
For heaven's sake, don't apologize to me, I'm just trying to keep you out of trouble. I knew what you meant.
> I still haven't heard back from Erik, but will try
> to pass along that you really prefer to go against Russia
> then him.
Thanks. This will hopefully hit the spot.
Ben
Message from Austria to France
Hi Erik,
OK. What's happening with you ;-) England seem ready
to go after Russia after some kind of truce with you and
Andy is now worried about a french invasion.
Not that I'm complaining, but I would prefer to hear it
directly from you.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
> Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
> England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
So, I suppose that Tun-Wes & Nap-Tys is in order. Also,
with Bud-Ser, Ion-Gre might also be a good idea. Anyway,
the problem as far as I'm concerned is what to do with your
armies? Even though it's risky for me, I would like you to
stay in Tyr to support me, leaving Ven to cover Pie; but one
thing is sure, I don't want you to keep both armies near me.
So, what are your thoughts on the situation?
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
> > England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
>
> So, I suppose that Tun-Wes & Nap-Tys is in order. Also,
> with Bud-Ser, Ion-Gre might also be a good idea.
Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
the fall.
But the rest is pretty much assured.
Anyway,
> the problem as far as I'm concerned is what to do with your
> armies? Even though it's risky for me, I would like you to
> stay in Tyr to support me, leaving Ven to cover Pie; but one
> thing is sure, I don't want you to keep both armies near me.
I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
take care
Andy
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Sorry guys I messed up my retreat orders. I was meant to keep MUN and BER to
move on BOH and SIL.
Good luck.
Message from Germany to all
Turkey, I blame you for my downfall. So my wil and testament requests that
England, France and Italy position their fleets as such to allow me to
convoy
to CON to have a few words to you. I will be bording in HEL and hopping vai
NTH, ENG, MAO, WES, TYS, ION, AEG to CON.
I would be gratefull if the AEG would assist in this operation.You owe me at
least that much for all the bad advice you have been pressing me these last
few years.
Message from Austria to all
Hi all,
I'm not going to be available this week-end and will
get back to everyone monday.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
I'll tell you what: I'll trade you Ser for support into Rum from Bud.
That will give you some breathing room, and allow me to move into Russia
proper.
jason
Message from Russia to all
This has been a hellishly busy week for me and the weekend doesn't look
much better. (Then again, neither does next week, so I'll just try to deal
with it and not request any extensions). While I've managed to dash off a
note here and there, I've mostly disappeared for the last two days. My
apologies to those who are owed notes from me, I will attempt to get notes
out before the end of the night.
In addition to overall time management issues, my ISP started deciding
sometime last week that certain messages from USTX are spam. This means
that I didn't see some messages for days after they arrived here, and
because of user error a couple of those messages were immediately deleted.
I *believe* that I have at least seen every message that was sent to me,
even if I still don't have a copy on hand, but if you sent anything really
important to me in the last few days, I request that you resend it.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
Well, you won't get this for a while, but I need to send it anyway.
The most obvious way I can see for us to work together is to get an
army into Rum, and press Turkey in the middle Balkans. That army
could be either Austrian or Russian. The advantage of an Austrian
army there is that it gets you an SC early, and it puts you in
control of both units facing Turkey; the downside is that it leaves
one of my units behind you in Gal. The advantage of a Russian army in
Rum is that it gets my army out of Gal; the disadvantage is that it
means that you cannot be guaranteed a build, because getting Ser or
Bul may take an extra season or two.
Either combination has the effect of giving Andy some room to
breathe, because if either of us threatens Turkey and it causes him
to get defensive, he might end up allowing Andy to slip into the EMed
or Aeg and then Andy could start seeing some growth from it. That
could be a downside to you, I'm not sure.
In terms of specific moves, I am imagining Bud/Gal-Rum with the other
supporting, I'd likely use Boh in the north in Spring (meaning you'd
need Vie S Tri). Then in Fall, depending on who's moved where, Boh
can support you in Tri if necessary, allowing Bud to try to take Ser,
or we can try some sort of attack focused towards Andy (maybe
Vie/Boh-Tyl).
These are all just initial thoughts. My broadcast is accurate in that
I have had very little time to think about the game. In fact, the
above move suggestions all come without benefit of looking at the
board, and I'm not as good as a lot of other folks in getting the
details of the map correct from memory. So please look over my
suggestions and tell me what you think about them, and whether you'd
like to go with these moves or something else.
I'll look for your response on Monday. Please be as detailed as you
can in your response about first, second and third choices of moves,
etc. because it's going to be a very busy day and I may be limited in
the number of times I can write. (In other words, I'll be as
available as I normally am).
Thanks, good luck, and I hope you had a good weekend.
--- Eric
Message from France to Austria and Turkey
Gentlemen:
We seem to have some converging interests on the board these days. Would
you care to discuss how my fleets might be of assistance in the
Mediterranean?
Erik
Message from Turkey to Austria and France
Good to hear from you.
As to the Med, I assume you'll head for Wes and Lyo this coming turn,
which will help draw away fleets from our side. After that, I presume we
can converge in the middle.
Is there anything specific you wish to collaborate on?
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> I'll tell you what: I'll trade you Ser for support into Rum from Bud.
> That will give you some breathing room, and allow me to move into Russia
> proper.
Work for me :-) Support into Rum from Ser will be available this fall.
Have you heard anything back from Italy & Russia since last year?
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
> Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
> would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
> into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
> the fall.
The idea wasn't for you to get in Gre. Jason can easily cover
Bul, so I doubt he will support Ser-Gre only to trade sc. My
guess is that he will support Bul-Gre instead and that he will
only rely on Ser's support while using Aeg to support Smy-Eas.
With Ion-Gre & Bud-Ser, Turkey's plan are delayed and you
are in a better position for the fall.
> I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
>
> I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
OK. It's not yet clear what I will try this spring, but your options
for Tyr are to either support Ven-Pie or Vie to hold; but I will
need you even more in the fall I suspect.
Philippe
Message from Austria to France
> We seem to have some converging interests on the board these days. Would
> you care to discuss how my fleets might be of assistance in the
> Mediterranean?
So an invasion of Italy it is then ;-)
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
> > Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
> > would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
> > into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
> > the fall.
>
> The idea wasn't for you to get in Gre. Jason can easily cover
> Bul, so I doubt he will support Ser-Gre only to trade sc. My
> guess is that he will support Bul-Gre instead and that he will
> only rely on Ser's support while using Aeg to support Smy-Eas.
> With Ion-Gre & Bud-Ser, Turkey's plan are delayed and you
> are in a better position for the fall.
Got it.
> > I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
> >
> > I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
>
> OK. It's not yet clear what I will try this spring, but your options
> for Tyr are to either support Ven-Pie or Vie to hold; but I will
> need you even more in the fall I suspect.
Tyr will support Vienna, Venice will go to Rome or Tuscany.
Andy
Message from Austria to Russia
Hi Eric,
Like you mentionned, while I'm worried about the implications of
the Juggernaut for me, I'm also worried about the implication of a
war between you and Jason in regards of Andy; but it seem that
Jason provided us with a solution.
I had requested Serbia from him and was waiting to see what he
would say about it, and he simply requested my support into Rum
in exchange. I accepted and provided it isn't a setup, we should be
able to manage the situation in the south so it's safe for both of us.
Knowing about my support against Rum in advance will allow you
to concentrate on the north while staying safe in the south; and my
position will be safe enough as Jason's expansion will be limited to
what he can get out of Andy.
So, it seem that Bud is going to Ser this spring and we just need to
figure out the rest. What is your take on it?
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
> I had requested Serbia from him and was waiting to see what he
> would say about it, and he simply requested my support into Rum
> in exchange. I accepted and provided it isn't a setup, we should be
> able to manage the situation in the south so it's safe for both of us.
> Knowing about my support against Rum in advance will allow you
> to concentrate on the north while staying safe in the south; and my
> position will be safe enough as Jason's expansion will be limited to
> what he can get out of Andy.
> So, it seem that Bud is going to Ser this spring and we just need to
> figure out the rest. What is your take on it?
I'm confused. Bud is the only unit that can support Jason to Rum, so it can't
be moving in Spring. What am I missing here? Can you give me more details on
what you are expecting the moves to be (both assuming I defend against them
and that I don't). Is it that he won't take Rum until Fall, and that you'll
support him from Ser?
Please let me know so I understand what I'm countering. I'm also gathering
from the "focus north" comments that you are using Vie to support Tri and so
don't need Boh to help you -- at least not in Spring. Is this all correct?
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
I can't be sure what Jason had in mind, but I told him I would
support him into Rum from Ser this fall. As for Boh, you had
told me you wanted to use it in the spring and as long as it's
near Tyr in the fall, be it in Mun, that's ok with me.
Hope this is clearer,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
> I can't be sure what Jason had in mind, but I told him I would
> support him into Rum from Ser this fall. As for Boh, you had
> told me you wanted to use it in the spring and as long as it's
> near Tyr in the fall, be it in Mun, that's ok with me.
Gotcha.
And one more pointed question: If you are in Ser, would you be interested in
making a grab for Bul in Fall if the circumstances were right? I could
support you to Tyl after you got an army, and that would allow you to keep
Andy in check -- yes?
I'm not trying to be pushy about Jason, I'm just exploring options. There's
not a lot I can do against Andy at the moment, so just want to see what I
should have my units do. If that's just "sit tight and support Rum", I can do
that. And while I understand that you are worried about Andy, I've never
played with anyone who has used the tactics you are, so I'm just trying to
understand your motivation well enough to offer things that forward your
interests.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> And one more pointed question: If you are in Ser, would you be interested in
> making a grab for Bul in Fall if the circumstances were right? I could
> support you to Tyl after you got an army, and that would allow you to keep
> Andy in check -- yes?
>
> I'm not trying to be pushy about Jason, I'm just exploring options. There's
> not a lot I can do against Andy at the moment, so just want to see what I
> should have my units do. If that's just "sit tight and support Rum", I can do
> that. And while I understand that you are worried about Andy, I've never
> played with anyone who has used the tactics you are, so I'm just trying to
> understand your motivation well enough to offer things that forward your
> interests.
I don't know about going for Bul. It's risky for me not to
provide the support requested by Jason and an army in
Bul isn't able to assist in my defence like one in Ser can,
so a move on Bull will probably have to wait for the
coming years.
Not sure how I'm doing, but I'm trying to survive and
adapt as best as I can to my neighbours. It's the first time
I worked hard to make an RT happen as Austria and
seeing me keep trying to balance things out when face by
one is probably just as weird for you, but I assure you I'm
not crazy ;-) If you wish to further my interest, I would
appreciate your being near enough to assist and far enough
to make it safe for me (not saying that you would betray me,
but if you aren't in position to do so, you won't have to figure
out the best way to reject request that goes against your
interest). Not sure how you should do this,but leaving Gal
alone is probably a good way to do so.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Austria
Um, that wasn't how I had planned it - I figured I'd get Rum in the
Spring, and then give you Ser once I'd vacated.
I haven't heard much from Italy, although Russia has been talking a little.
jason
Message from Austria to Turkey
> Um, that wasn't how I had planned it - I figured I'd get Rum in the
> Spring, and then give you Ser once I'd vacated.
>
> I haven't heard much from Italy, although Russia has been talking a little.
That's a surprise. I'm finally free to get this turn's
results, but I find this instead. So, should I still
expect to support you from Ser this fall?
Philippe
Message from France to all
Sorry, all. I had a big issue involving my e-mail provider that has now
been fixed.
Erik
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Albania
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Fleet Trieste (*void*)
England: Fleet Denmark → Helgoland Bight
England: Fleet Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Liverpool → Irish Sea
England: Fleet London → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Holland
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Marseilles
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Belgium (*cut*)
France: Fleet Irish Sea → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Marseilles → Gulf of Lyon
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Holland (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Austrian Army Vienna
Italy: Army Venice → Rome
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT English Fleet Denmark → Kiel (*void*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Munich
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Rumania SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria
Russia: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Budapest
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea
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