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Message from Master to all
Welcome to 'titleist', the championship game of the 2000-01
Vermont Group Full Press Tournament. The first round reduced
49 players down to 21 and the second round reduced us down to
these seven. They've earned their way into the final and I
wish them the best.
The name 'titleist' refers to the fact that the winner will
consider himself the champion or title-holder for full-press
Diplomacy in the Vermont Group. This winner will be a soloist,
or the largest member of a draw. If the two largest members
of a draw are of equal size, they will be declared co-titleists.
'titleist' is also a very popular brand of golf balls and
golf equipment, which fits in well with the tendencies of your
game master. :-)
I'm capturing all partial press for display as a showcase game,
so keep in mind that your words will be recorded for posterity.
Keep the potty mouth to a minimum. ;-)
I've set the press to WGP-, and moved the first deadline to Friday,
July 13. There are two players who are in and out a bit early
on, so I don't want anyone short changed in the first season.
Let's come out swinging!
Doug
Message from France to all
Bonjour Europe and La Grande Assemblage of Observers.
Je m'appelle Prince Xavier Boar!
My father has grown ill and my brother, the Dauphin, has
taken over the day to day running of France. Since the
eldest tends to inherit the property and titles, most
often the second eldest turns to a religious education.
I am no different. But being the son of the King of
France, I could not follow a career in the Clergy,
therefore I have settled for being the spiritual leader
of France. I leave the teaching of religion to our
Bishops and the Church; I focus instead on philosophy and
the arts. Given that I am a "people person", by brother
has allowed me the privilege of being France's embassy to
Europe.
I pledge to take up this office with vigor and faithfully
fulfill my duty to both France and my neighbors in
Europe. I leave you with this motto which describes
myself, my brother, and our father.
France, her pen, her sword, and her legacy.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Friend in Italy,
I look forward to many conversations with you. I hope
that they will be filled with arguments for influencing
each others policies and activities in opposite ends of
Europe. I would dread that they would pertain to
discussions pertaining to a possible or, I shudder at the
thought, actual invasions by one of us on the other. I
believe that both our countries can benefit from a strong
and active peace between our countries.
In fact, I have read many military articles on the
subject. Usually I must turn to the Dauphin to explain
them due to though my limited strategic capabilities.
However on the subject of Italian-French interaction I am
please to say that I have followed them quite well. They
claim that it is not in Italy's best interest to engage
in an attack on France. In such a case Germany and
England tend to take the Lion's share, and eventually
Italy's share of the spoils. The articles go so far as
to say that it is not in Italy's best interest to see
France defeated by Germany and England. And if France is
invaded, they suggest that Italy should step in to help
defend France, often by putting pressure on Germany
through Tyrolia.
I wonder what you think of these ideas. Is this common
thinking in Italy? Or do you believe it to be a load of
bunk, probably written by a Frenchman posing as a
military expert.? I realize that it is difficult to
generalize, but I would like to here your ideas, if only
to enlighten me further on this topic. I am particularly
interested in hearing your thoughts on a long lasting
peace and complete demilitarization of our border.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to all
Hear Ye. Hear Ye. The Great Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire
Frederick XXXIV extends his well wishes and salutations to all the
other noble rulers of Europe. Emissaries of the higher order are on
their way to your capitals. They bear gifts of great value and mystery.
Please receive them with kindness and wisdom.
Emperor Frederick.
Message from England to Italy
My dearest Italy,
Greetings old chap.
I have an offer to make and a wee favor to ask.
The offer is Spain and Marseilles, which, as you can surely deduce, would
be yours if we carry out a quick IEG strike on France and split France,
Iberia, and Belgium three ways. This is easily done, and it is especially
favorable to the two of us, for we are nations who often have difficulty
going beyond four centers. Furthermore, it probably has the additional
advantage of eliminating someone who is likely to be an extremely strong
and dangerous player to both of us if he gets moving with any strength
(someone who probably got his first choice of nations).
The wee favor is that of a quick reply. If you are confident that you
would rather try your skill to the east (the usual), then I would wish to
court both Germany and France in search of an ally. The sooner I know your
thoughts the better. Of course, I will also ask the German if he is
interested in a triple attack on France.
May I also say, by way of introduction, that I think you will find me an
easy-going ally who listens, who responds quickly, who stays calm, and who
has a sense of humor. Even though I try very hard and attend to detail,
nevertheless I'm in it for fun and don't take this business too seriously.
Courteously,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to all
To: diplomats of Europe
From: Ivy Wingo
My nom de guerre, "Ivy Wingo" may be odd in that it has nothing to do with
war or diplomacy or politics. However, I like its somewhat romantic ring,
suggestive, perhaps, of characteristics of my true persona: honesty, honor,
harmlessness, faithfulness, integrity, loyalty, and innocence.
Let's have a wee contest. An actual, tangible, prize awaits the first
person to identify the real Ivy Wingo. Who is/was he? You are on your
honor (yes, honor!) not to consult any references whatsoever. Either you
know of Ivy Wingo or you don't. Surely, someone out there must be familiar
with him.
Remember, a real prize awaits the first to tell me who I am. Offer expires
if I expire.
Message from Master to all
Okay, I just posted this to r.g.d:
Observers to this game can't comment on the game on USIN, but members
of 'vgfp_titleist' on yahoogroups.com can kibbitz all they like -- the
players are the only ones who won't be permitted to join the mailing
list. So if you'd like to discuss the game with others, join that
mailing list.
I should have included the list of participants (all JDPR's referenced
are as of March 7, which sucks, but is still relevant. They don't
include the semi-final results and are thus likely to be even higher
than listed):
Allen Schweinsberg: his 1716 JDPR rating is ninth among active players.
He's played 14 games on record, with victories in 'highland' and
'pinecone' on USEF, 'samband' on TWUT, and 'vgfp0005' on USIN in the
first round of the tournament, as well as five draws. Focuses largely
on full-press games and was ranked #6 on that list at the end of 2000.
Eric Hunter: 1535 JDPR, rank #23. Three full-game and one partial-game
press solos ('juteland' on USWA, 'eden' on USIN, 'unortho1' on
USBR, and 'rachel' on USIN), along with 11 draws, including a 2WD in
'vgfp0001' in the first round. Plays all types of press; was #19 on
the YE2000 full-press list.
Jeff Stephens: 1379 JDPR, ranked in the top 100. 54 official games
played, mostly full press, dating back to 1995. Three full solos and two
partials ('dilsey3' and 'mudcats' on USWI, 'samakama' on USEF, 'adv1'
on USIN, and 'exp2' on USEF), as well as 23 draws -- including a 2WD
in 'vgfp0012' on USVG and a 3WD in 'vgfp0006' on USIN in the first round.
#28 on the YE2000 full-press list.
Ken Lofgren: 1714 JDPR, #10 amongst active players and on YE2000
full-press list. 58 official games played, with 4 victories ('rubicon'
on USEF, 'test0' on USCA, 'tech4' and 'squash' on USEF) in games with
press, along with many draws, including a 3WD in 'vgfp0014' on USVG.
Mixes no-press tournaments and variants in with a steady diet of
full-press games.
Randy Hudson: 1733 JDPR, ranked #8. 77 games played, primarily no-press
and real-time, with lots of variants thrown in as well. Full-press
victories in 'flyer' and 'burnoff' on USEF, as well as the first round
game 'vgfp0009' on USVG and four no-press games. Only two career losses
in full-press game starts.
Rich Olver: 1271 JDPR. The underdog. :-) Normally, that rating is
one of the top one or two in a game, but not here. Played 34 games,
mostly no-press in recent years. Full-press wins in 'winooski' on USIN,
'vergenne' on USEF, and a 2WD in 'vgfp0008' on USVG in the first round.
JDPR peaked at 1471, before the 1999 and 2000 Vermont Group no-press
tournaments (which didn't go so well).
Roger Yonkoski: 1818 JDPR, #4 amongst active players. Also ranked #3
on YE2000 full-press list with 1825 rating. 25 games played, with
full-press solos in 'primary' on USEF, 'braves' on USNM, 'pride' on
USCA, 'horse' on USWI, 'truth' and 'abby' on USEF, plus a dozen or more
draws. 2WD in 'vgfp0013' in the first round. His loss in 'vgfp0004'
was his first loss, ever, in a full-press game he started. The favorite.
The average JDPR of the players in this game will be calculated at
then end of the game (that's the measurement point for all games).
Given that these players' successes in the second round (not to be
revealed until the final is finished), this is likely to be the
highest rated game in Judge history.
Doug
Message [from England] to all
What is most amazing about the list of players are the missing names.
Where is Ron Poet, #1 in the March ratings and #2 in this tournament after
the preliminary games? Where is Karlis Povisils, former #1 in the world,
currently #2, and #1 in this tournament after the preliminaries? Where is
Michael Andresen, currently #6 in the March ratings, and #3 in this
tournament after the preliminaries?
Arguably, the three best players going into the semifinal round did not
survive.
This is a most dangerous world. Get me out of here!
[Perhaps Rich Olver is the real favorite.]
Message from Russia to all
(St. Petersburg, Russia, Dec. 1900)
"St.
Petersburg Pravda"
"A New Century, A New
Russia, and a New Europe"
In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II, the
Czar-Liberator, outlined his ideas regarding Russia in the 20th Century.
Here is the text of his speech.
With the ever increasing rate of industrialization in Russia and the
rest Europe, it has become clear that some manner of continental control is
necessary to ensure worker safety, to increase worker salaries, and to allow
their involvement in production decisions, in order to increase worker
satisfaction. Doing so will increase both productivity and profits.
Continental control of production centres will also increase profit and
productivity through the application of economies of scale, and make sure
that the natural resources needed for maintaining these newly achieved
levels of production can be cheaply and efficiently obtained. I, therefore,
propose the formation of a cooperative council to implement and oversee the
achievement of this European Economic Union, and lay out the following
proposed declaration of principles for the EEU.
Declaration of Principles
The fundamental tenets of the EEU movement are that more centralized control
of Production Centers will result in increased productivity and profits.
Secondly, worker unionization will improve safety, worker involvement in
production decisions, worker salaries, and worker satisfaction, and
therefore also increase productivity, thus a more efficient and profitable
economy will develop.
1) The 34 major Production Centers in Europe must be controlled by EEU
Member states.
2) Workers in Europe, both Agricultural, and Manufacturing, must be
Unionized.
3) Worker Unions and Management must negotiate equitable contracts that
protect worker safety, encourage worker innovation, and improve
productivity, and therefore improve management profits, and worker salaries.
4) If Management and Unions cannot agree on a Contract, they will submit to
the decision of the EEU Board of Arbitration.
5) The EEU will not interfere in the internal political, and social, affairs
of its member states.
6) All EEU member states will come to the aid of another member state, if
any member state is threatened by an outside state.
7) Conflicts between member states will be resolved through negotiation, not
the use of force.
8) Overall economic goals and policies will be set by the Union House, which
will have per capita representation from each union, and the Management
House, which will have a representative from each production area that must
negotiate with a union.
9) This overall economic policy will be subject to review by the EEU
Assembly, (a member from each EEU state), and final approval by the three
member Executive Council (Russia, and two members, yet to be determined.)
. These guiding principles are not yet set in stone, and are subject to
amendment by the Executive Council once it is formed, and I am more than
willing to consider the concerns of prospective members of the EEU. Rulers
of Europe, I look forward to speaking with each of you, and I hope to
establish close working relationships with those of you who see the
advantages that the EEU represents for our nations, our workers, and the
world.
Message from England to all
>In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II, the
>Czar-Liberator, outlined his ideas regarding Russia in the 20th Century.
>Here is the text of his speech.
>
> With the ever increasing rate of industrialization in Russia and the
>rest Europe, it has become clear that some manner of continental control is
>necessary to ensure worker safety,
blah, blah, blah ...
>Declaration of Principles
blah, blah, blah ...
Just conquer the world and get on with it, man. 8-)
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
>
> >In a speech today, Czar Nicholas II, grandson of Alexander II,
>
> blah, blah, blah ...
>
> >Declaration of Principles
>
> blah, blah, blah ...
>
> Just conquer the world and get on with it, man. 8-)
Well, I could have given the standard, "I welcome your ambassadors, and
hope we can all be friends." speech, but I didn't figure anyone would buy
that, either. ;-) I do apologize for the length of my opening broadcast
though. I neglected to write it ahead of time, so it was rather
long-winded.
Nicky.
Message from England to all
Nicky,
> Well, I could have given the standard, "I welcome your ambassadors, and
>hope we can all be friends." speech, but I didn't figure anyone would buy
>that, either. ;-) I do apologize for the length of my opening broadcast
>though.
Heavens, I hope I didn't suggest the need for an apology. With my 20th
Century hindsight, I tend to suspect that Russians are long on the pen, but
put their faith in the sword. Actually I like the "I hope we all can be
friends" approach, at least afterwards. When this is all over, perhaps we
can drink a toast to friendship. If the drinks are contaminated with a wee
drop of blood, well, what's a little blood between friends?
Ivy
Message from Russia to Italy
Greetings from St. Petersburg:
Your Ambassador has not yet arrived here, so I thought I would take a
moment to initiate contact between our two Great Powers. Given the distance
between our capitals, it might not seem like there is much need for early
discussion, but given that we are both Eastern Powers who could face attacks
from the West if we fail to maintain a careful watch, I see the opportunity
for years of cooperation between us. Indeed, the potential for an alliance
between Italy and Russia is both vast, and underrated, but for that to occur
we must first establish a measure of trust and communication. I hope to
hear from you soon, and welcome any questions you may have about the EEU. I
have not yet heard from any of the Eastern Powers, but both England and
France seem more than competent. Have you heard from anyone, and would you
care to exchange impressions?
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to all
The great state of Italy welcomes all participants. We look forward to
discussing the future of Europe with all of you. blah, blah, friends, blah,
blah, blood, blah, blah, blah....
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto Benigni
ps: We are currently celebrating the American holiday known as the 4th of
July and are a bit busy with barbeques and sparklers and fireworks.
Tomorrow morning (Thurs), I will send more detailed press privately.
Message from Russia to Italy
> Broadcast message from Italy in 'titleist':
> Life is Beautiful,
>
> Roberto Benigni
I stand on the arms of my chair to welcome you to the ... Oh, wait,
that's your bit, isn't it? ;-) In any event, welcome, and I'll speak with
you tomorrow.
Nicky.
Message from Austria to Italy
To all who see these presents, Greetings!
Know ye that, reposing special trust and confidence in the fidelities
and abilities of Idalia Hapsburg Schmidt, we do appoint her our ambassador
to your nation, in plenipotentiary.
We hope her service will serve to further enhance communication and
cooperation between our nations.
Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to Italy
Mr. Roberto Benigni:
I welcome you to the game. I trust that your
celebrations were both enjoyable and safe. I have read
your broadcast quite carefully. I feel that your third
and seventh 'blah's were quite informative. I plan to
hold you to them!
I look forward to more substantial discussions than this
one.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Italy
Roberto! A fine name.
Your appearance on the scene is greatly appreciated. I wish to reinforce
my previous invitation to join our nations in cooperation.
France, as expected, already has shown himself to be an individual of
superior presence, likely a man of great power who wished to be ruler of
that nation and got his wish. Certainly, he has my ear, but I do fear him,
and I promise to listen carefully to Germany as well, when he becomes more
active. Should you wish to concentrate your energies in the east, then I
will do whatever I can within my limited abilities to strike a friendship
with either France or Germany. Beggars can't be choosers.
However, given France's potential to dominate one and all, please consider
the idea of a quick 3-way strike against him with opening moves to the
Channel, Burgundy, and Piedmont. It would be over very quickly and with
possession of Marseilles and Spain you would have full control over the
western Mediterranean.
Italy needs the decline of either France or Turkey in order to thrive.
Lately, with the decline in the Lepanto, Austria's suspicion of Italy has
grown, and it has not been quite as easy to take out Turkey. Provided we
can bring Germany on board, a triple attack on France is simple, no matter
how good he is.
Here's another way to view the situation. What do you have to fear from a
powerful France once either England or Germany is gone? What always
happens after a fleet is built in Marseilles?
Most cordially yours,
Ivy
Message from Italy to Austria
Archduke,
I'll get right to the point. I'm Italian and I don't like people of Turkish
descent. They make bad movies. In my opinion, the sooner the Turk is
disposed of the sooner we can concentrate our efforts on more profitable
areas of Europe. An Austria that builds armies in combination with an Italy
that builds fleets is a natural and powerful alliance. I hope to find you
in agreement with those thoughts.
Regardless of how you feel about the above, I consider you a friend and will
absolutely not attack you. It has been my experience that an Italian
offensive against Austria has no long-term sustainability. It's essentially
military suicide.
I look forward to future discussion between us that will hopefully lead to
mutual growth and defense.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> I trust that your celebrations were both enjoyable
> and safe.
>
I only lost two fingers this year so they're getting safer.
> In fact, I have read many military articles on the
> subject. They claim that it is not in Italy's best
> interest to engage in an attack on France.
Today's your lucky day. The one other game of Diplomacy I've ever played, I
was Italy and a smooth-talking King of England talked me into attacking
France in 1901. Well, needless to say, I ran into a brick wall and it
didn't take long before my beloved country was swallowed up by the beast
from the east. I told myself, if I ever play this game again, I'll try a
different tact.
> I am particularly interested in hearing your thoughts
> on a long lasting peace and complete demilitarization
> of our border.
>
Rest assured, per above, I have no plans on moving into Piedmont unless of
course you really want me to. What do they call that? Oh yes, I think the
term is *bounce*. As for the seas, I'll have to defer to your military
handbooks as one of my interns has just spilled a bowl of pasta leaving my
articles completely unreadable.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I am relieved to hear that you were not severly hurt by
the celebrations. That means that your enemies were
unsuccessful at setting you up, if you actually have any
enemies that is.
I am glad to hear that you agree with me on keeping the
areas between ourselves free of armies and fleets. The
Dauphin has plenty of areas to send his armies without
bothering you. From both a practical and philosophical
point of view, many misunderstands can be avoided by
thinking the same way. I will gladly send you a copy of
those sea areas which shall remain free of our fleets.
Enclosed is an ancient map which I find quite soothing.
Please forgive the fact that Piedmont is included as part
of France. It was drawn during a past time of our
expansionism.
I do believe that you are pulling my leg concerning your
inexperience. That is OK, I enjoy the fun. Just be
careful not to get too personal when pulling my leg, else
you may lose a few more fingers. :-)
We have time to keep in touch concerning our peace and
hopefully behind the scenes support for each other.
Truly I do not wish to see Italy overrun by Austria or
Turkey. I would lose the security of my safe border with
you. I hope that you see that the opposite is true as
well.
-- Prince Boar
PS: Just to make it clear, France is *not* asking for
you to enter Piedmont.
Message from Italy to England
Ivy,
I've read and re-read your messages to me. In concept, I fully agree with
what you have to say. My only concern is that I'm not really the type of
player that will 'invade' a neighbor in the Spring of 1901. In order for me
to even consider such an action, I would have to have complete trust in my
Austrian neighbor and, unfortunately, I'm not that far along in my
negotiations with the Archduke.
However, that's not to say that I'm not interested and intrigued by your
proposal. I'm just not sure that I can fulfill your requirement of moving
to Piedmont at this stage of the game. I hope you understand. You are
correct in that I do not want France to become too powerful (I suppose
that's true for any power not just France) and will do everything in my
power to control excessive growth. I most definitely do not want to see
England eliminated.
BTW, the new Pope has requested a visit to the United Kingdom. In spite of
my advise not to sail due to the rumored military activities in the
Mid-Atlantic, he left this morning and should arrive within a day or two.
His name is Pope Johnny Bench I. We trust that you will treat him with the
honor and dignity that he deserves.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Master
So, would I get a slap on the wrist of life in prison without the
possibility of parole if I broadcast just two simple words:
"Western Triple?"
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Your Ambassador has not yet arrived here,
>
What?!! Not arrived! That makes three ambassadors that have somehow not
made it to their respective destinations. I'm beginning to suspect foul
play.
> Indeed, the potential for an alliance
> between Italy and Russia is both vast, and underrated,
Funny you mention that. I've always considered an Italian/Russian alliance
to be one of the best on the board both short term and long term. I'm not
just saying that either. I honestly believe that to be true. There are a
lot of centers that can be evenly split between Turkey, Austria, and the
Balkans. Not to get too far ahead of the game, but there are numerous
advantages to an IR Juggernaut in the mid-game as opposed to the traditional
RT Juggernaut.
Anyway, I don't want to put the cart before the horse but I am most
interested in pursuing cooperation with you. In my opinion, the beginning
of said cooperation would start with Turkey whom I suspect is behind the
disappearance of my ambassadors. I have already sent a feeler to the
Austrian but have yet to receive a reply. I will let you know if he has
similar thoughts.
> Have you heard from anyone, and would you care to
> exchange impressions?
>
Just France and England so far other than yourself. Both seem competent and
formidable opponents. Both are courting my friendship although for far
different alternatives.
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
> > an alliance between Italy and Russia is both
> > [powerful] and underrated,
> There are a lot of centers that can be evenly
> split between Turkey, Austria, and the Balkans.
I'd much rather split those Centres between
Italy and Russia. 8-)
> there are numerous advantages to an IR Juggernaut
> in the mid-game as opposed to the traditional
> RT Juggernaut.
Most particularly Italy's inability to
build in Ankara and Constantinople, and the shorter
distance between your Home Centres and your next
target (France) once Austria and Turkey have been
eliminated. 8-)
> In my opinion, the beginning of said cooperation
> would start with Turkey whom I suspect is behind
> the disappearance of my ambassadors.
I have yet to hear from Turkey, and silence
is always suspicious. Additionally, eliminating the
witches is best done early, so I am certainly not
opposed to this idea.
> I have already sent a feeler to the Austrian but
> have yet to receive a reply. I will let you know
> if he has similar thoughts.
I have heard from Austria, but the lack of
content in his letter was profound. It sounded
like a form-letter.
> Both France and England seem competent and
> formidable opponents. Both are courting my
> friendship although for far different alternatives.
Yes, I agree. If England is seeking to
explore the possibility of an attack on France,
I would urge you to encourage this idea. I do not
think that we want England and France allying and
rolling over Germany.
In Friendship,
Nicky.
Message from England to Italy
>His name is Pope Johnny Bench I
Very interesting. I've heard of him. I'm surprised that he doesn't know
me. Or does he? Please ask him.
>My only concern is that I'm not really the type of
>player that will 'invade' a neighbor in the Spring of 1901.
I respect your reply. Please note that the "Alpine Chicken" opening
(Venice->Piedmont & Rome->Venice) does not 'invade' France at all. Sure,
it does make him a little nervous, but it certainly does not commit one to
a war with France. In fact, it easily converts into a fine attack on
Austria. In short it is a flexible opening.
Carry on,
Ivy
Message from Austria to Italy
Hi!
The Archduke asked me to respond to your note.
He completely agrees with your comments about conflict between Italy and
Austria-Hungary. Peace between those nations is their only hope.
If you wish that our cooperation extend to a joint attack against
Turkey, that is a reasonable idea, and I endorse it.
The military advisors feel that Italian fleets in the Ionian and Eastern
Mediterranean seas, probably convoying an Italian army to Syria or
Smyrna, will be the surest course of attack.
I hope we can achieve this, and on the basis of that cooperation, move
on to other areas of joint concern.
Idalia, for Archduke Ferdinand and Austria-Hungary
Message from Italy to England
>
> >His name is Pope Johnny Bench I
>
> Very interesting. I've heard of him. I'm surprised that he
> doesn't know me. Or does he? Please ask him.
>
I've got him on the cell phone right now. He's laughing pretty hard. To
paraphrase, he's spent his entire adult life trying not to break one of your
records. I thought it might be the Beatles White album but he just laughed
even harder. He mumbled something about once a Cardinal always a Cardinal
then he hung up. So, I'm guessing you either once held a high position in
the Catholic hierarchy or you loaned him your music collection. This is all
very confusing to me.
> >My only concern is that I'm not really the type of
> >player that will 'invade' a neighbor in the Spring of 1901.
>
> I respect your reply. Please note that the "Alpine Chicken" opening
> (Venice->Piedmont & Rome->Venice) does not 'invade' France
>
I'll admit, I'm not familiar with this opening but will do some research.
'Alpine Chicken'? That just doesn't sound like a good opening. Whomever
came up with that name should be shot.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> If you wish that our cooperation extend to a joint attack against
> Turkey, that is a reasonable idea, and I endorse it.
>
Great news. Would you suggest we ask Russia if he'd like to
help or would you prefer to keep this our little secret?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Austria to Italy
Russia's interest, I think, is in avoiding Ank-Bla this spring, while
that move would greatly ease our progress.
So, Austria-Hungary would prefer that we avoid making it easier for
Russia to deter Ank-Bla. Ooh, that's muddy syntax. Let's not push
Turkey into a Russian alliance, if we can avoid it. We don't need
immediate Russian cooperation, so seeking it won't necessarily be
productive.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary and Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> > There are a lot of centers that can be evenly
> > split between Turkey, Austria, and the Balkans.
>
> I'd much rather split those Centres between
> Italy and Russia. 8-)
>
Indeed. Thank you for clarifying my intent.
> > there are numerous advantages to an IR Juggernaut
> > in the mid-game as opposed to the traditional
> > RT Juggernaut.
>
> Most particularly Italy's inability to
> build in Ankara and Constantinople, and the shorter
> distance between your Home Centres and your next
> target (France) once Austria and Turkey have been
> eliminated. 8-)
>
I see that I don't have to spell out every last detail. This is good!
Clearly, we have similar understandings of the map.
>
> I have yet to hear from Turkey, and silence
> is always suspicious. Additionally, eliminating the
> witches is best done early, so I am certainly not
> opposed to this idea.
>
I have yet to hear from the Turk as well although I take partial
responsibility since I haven't yet had time to pen him a message myself.
(it's on my to-do list)
>
> I have heard from Austria, but the lack of
> content in his letter was profound. It sounded
> like a form-letter.
>
I think I received that same form letter but since have received another
message. He seemed receptive to the idea of a Turkish offensive. I've
followed up and asked if we (meaning Austria/Italy) should as you for help
as well or if he'd rather not let our 'secret' out. I'll let you know what
he says.
....
He responded as I was typing this message. He'd prefer that I not seek your
cooperation fearing it would result in a RT defense alliance. So, publicly
I'm not seeking your cooperation but maybe you could 'accidently' mistype a
support order or two. Regardless, I'll keep you posted on AI negotiations
involving Turkey if you would be so kind as to reciprocate.
>
> Yes, I agree. If England is seeking to
> explore the possibility of an attack on France,
> I would urge you to encourage this idea.
>
Well, somewhat unfortunately, I responded to him prior to reading your
message. I basically told him that I'm not the type of player who 'invades'
in Spring of 1901, especially a neighbor as potentially powerful as France.
I didn't necessarily discourage an attack but I didn't really encourage it
either. Has England approached you with a suggestion to coordinate an
attack against Germany?
> I do not think that we want England and France
> allying and rolling over Germany.
True enough but I'm not too thrilled with the idea of England and Germany
rolling over France either. The longer the West remains unresolved, the
better for us obviously. We may find ourselves in a situation of having to
prop up the weakest of the Western powers until such time as we can move
west. Which begs the question, will Germany bounce you out of Sweden and if
so what would your response be?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to all
The Sultanate of Turkey sends its warmest regards to our fellow leaders.
The Sultan himself has been imprisoned, ah, I mean, is temporarily
indisposed, and I now represent the armed forces of Turkey. We have sent
our spies, ah, that is, envoys and diplomats, throughout Europe. We look
forward to penetrating the defenses, that is to say, building on the mutual
security of our fellow Powers. We look forward to a lively dialogue while
the peasants beat their plowshares into swords.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
Ali,
Good to hear from you sir.
Now, I've played, moderated, and observed hundreds of games and I still
can't recall Italy and Turkey ever being allies. Seems to me, our two
nations always end up in conflict. There must be a scenario where Turkey
and Italy can be friends. This game is filled with quality diplomats any
one of which is capable of a solo. But, the other six will be so good at
preventing a solo I firmly believe it's going to take a special effort,
something spectacular, something unexpected to achieve ultimate success in
this game. Perhaps something as bold as an Italian/Turkish alliance. Is it
possible? Can it be done?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
My dear Roberto,
Many thanks for your letter. To answer your question, yes IT can and has
been done. I have seen (and participated in) such alliances before, and
they can work out quite well. The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless strugles for control
of the seas. My experience is that to make it work, Turkey must embark on
the course of a land-based power. I certainly understand the need for Italy
to control the western Mediterranean seas for defensive reasons.
This may seem a small matter, but it can often become a stumbling block.
After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval resources for
defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can sometimes make
Italian admirals nervous. Another matter to be resolved would be who should
be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
necessarily be the same power).
However, if we can get past these initial obstacles, the benefit to each of
us is tremendous. It would free you of the need to cling to an Austrian
ally, thereby giving you another avenue for growth (not to mention resolving
the Ven/Tri situation). A land-based Turkey would give you the naval
flexibility to get the better of any conflicts with France. And a secure
western front would enable me to form a strong position and challenge
Austria and Germany for control of the center.
Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say "this-power and
that-power are always enemies, they can never get along." Doing so, I feel,
robs one of a potentially valuable ally. I urge you to judge me by my
nature and my actions, rather than the color of my pieces on the board.
In any case, I'm quite delighted to hear from you. I eagerly await your
thoughts on the above... or any other topic that comes to mind.
Sincerely,
Ali
Message from Russia to Italy
> Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
> I have yet to hear from the Turk as well although I take partial
> responsibility since I haven't yet had time to pen him a message myself.
> (it's on my to-do list)
He replied to my message today. I'm more impressed with
him than I am with the Archduke at this point.
> I think I received that same form letter but since have received another
> message. He seemed receptive to the idea of a Turkish offensive. He'd
> prefer that I not seek your cooperation fearing it would result in a RT
> defense alliance.
Or worse yet (for Austria), an RI Alliance once Turkey is eliminated.
8-)
I think it's best if we down-play our relationship when talking with AT.
I've
indicated a willingness to consider RA in both my letters to Austria, but
have
not gotten a substantive response. Perhaps he feels that we are destined to
come into conflict, and sees no reason to attempt to avoid it.
> Well, somewhat unfortunately, I responded to him prior to reading your
> message. I basically told him that I'm not the type of player who
'invades'
> in Spring of 1901, especially a neighbor as potentially powerful as
France.
> I didn't necessarily discourage an attack but I didn't really encourage it
> either. Has England approached you with a suggestion to coordinate an
> attack against Germany?
England has been surprisingly accomodating. He offered to occupy
Nwy with a Fleet , and either attack Germany together, or attempt to
influence him to let me into Swe, before I made my Opening Broadcast.
You could approach him in a few days with a line like, 'The more I talk
to France, the more concerned I become. Perhaps attacking him early,
before he has a chance to grow is worth considering..."
> > we [don't] want England and France rolling over Germany.
>
> True enough but I'm not too thrilled with the idea of England and Germany
> rolling over France either. The longer the West remains unresolved, the
> better for us obviously.
Obviously, but EG is more unstable than EF in my opinion, and France
is much harder to eliminate than Germany is. Plus, Prince Boar seems
entirely too capable.
> will Germany bounce you out of Sweden and if
> so what would your response be?
I've heard nothing from Germany beyond his Opening Broadcast, yet.
I wrote to him suggesting that Fleet Kiel -> Holland had advantages for
him that F Kie - Den - Swe did not, but he has not responded. My
reaction to a threatened or actual bounce depends on the circumstances,
but I expect I'd need to respond somewhat forcefully to maintain
control of St. Petersburg, so that I could attack in the North while you
concentrate in the South, after we eliminate AT.
In Friendship,
Nicky.
Message from England to Italy
>> >His name is Pope Johnny Bench I
>>
>> Very interesting. I've heard of him. I'm surprised that he
>> doesn't know me. Or does he? Please ask him.
>>
>
>I've got him on the cell phone right now. He's laughing pretty hard. To
>paraphrase, he's spent his entire adult life trying not to break one of your
>records. I thought it might be the Beatles White album but he just laughed
>even harder. He mumbled something about once a Cardinal always a Cardinal
>then he hung up.
Ha-ha. So you do know me. Why not just announce my i.d. in a broadcast
and claim the prize?
>> I respect your reply. Please note that the "Alpine Chicken" opening
>> (Venice->Piedmont & Rome->Venice) does not 'invade' France
>>
>
>I'll admit, I'm not familiar with this opening but will do some research.
>'Alpine Chicken'? That just doesn't sound like a good opening. Whomever
>came up with that name should be shot.
The name is derogatory, supposedly indicating an Italy who is afraid of
both Austria and France. In truth, it is an excellent opening that can
swing either way, east or west. It keeps neighbors guessing. I think it
has not been seen much lately, because of the prevalence of Rome->Naples
and the Lepanto.
Ivy
Message from France to Austria, England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Mes Amis:
I shall be away the next two days. I will be hiking and
meditating in the French Alps. I hear that there is an
astrologer hermit in the Mountains and I aslo wish to
consult him on some things that I have read in the stars.
I am letting you know this for two reasons. The first is
that I do not want you to think that I am ignoring you if
I do not immediately return mail. The second is that I
am willing to consult the hermit on your behalf.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
It is with great pleasure that I announce the beginning
of the Tour de France. I will be at the official start
of the race tomorrow.
As it is such a national treasure and a point of pride
for France, I will endeavor to keep you informed of the
Progress.
I imagine that Germany will be pulling for Team Deustche
Telekom
England may wish to adopt the American USPS team, as they
share a common language.
Italy should choose one of the Italian Teams:
Fassa Bortolo
Lampre - Daikin
Mapei - Quick Step
I will choose a French team, say:
Festina
The remainder of you (Turkey, Austria, and Russia) can
choose one of:
*Rabobank from the Netherlands
*Domo - Farm Frites from Belgium
*CSC - World Online from Denmark
*O.N.C.E. from Spain
(first come first serve, send me your preferences in
order as I may not see them before the race begins)
Please let me know your choice. I will then award points
according to the following:
10 points for winning a stage
20 points for winning the Green or Polka Dot Jersey
50 Points for winning the race
Who ever gets the most points is the winner and wins the
following grande prize:
A date for their sister with the Dauphin.
(not to mention a great deal of bragging rights)
I hope that you will all participate. It will be fun, I
promise. Just imaging the fame you will receive as your
adopted team wins a stage. Power, Fame, Dates, they will
all be yours.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to all
It is with great pride that I make the team of Fassa Bortolo my Tour de
France selection.
Life is Beautiful - as is the ride to Paris
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> The second is that I
> am willing to consult the hermit on your behalf.
>
Can you ask him what he thinks about the "Alpine Chicken" opening. I've
been getting letters explaining this as the most advantageous opening for
Italy. Seeing how I've only played this game once before, all this talk of
Lepantos and Chickens has got me really confused. I was hoping the hermit
might be of assistance.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
>
> Ha-ha. So you do know me. Why not just announce my i.d. in
> a broadcast and claim the prize?
>
What?, and spoil everybody elses fun. Nah. I'm not materialistic. I'll
probably come up with a few more references. Can't wait for your first
mistaken order - 'just like Ivy to make another error'. Maybe a Yogism or
two. Nobody you'll know what I'm talking about. They'll just think I'm
some kook.
> I think it has not been seen much lately, because
> of the prevalence of Rome->Naples and the Lepanto.
>
Well, I'm finding myself between a rock and a hard place. As you point out,
the Frenchman is a skilled diplomat and most likely got a first choice of
powers. Not sure if you've had the pleasure of speaking with Ali Baba or
not, but he's impressed me as all. Very organized, very clear. He'll be a
tough nut to crack as well.
The more I think about it and the more I discuss issues with the other
powers, perhaps my best approach would be a quick strike against France.
Have you heard from Germany yet?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
Haven't had the pleasure yet of talking to you. We are neighbors separated
by a single province so surely we would have some matters to discuss.
How are your negotiations going with England and France? Has Belgium been
resolved? And what about Sweden? Any worthwhile news there?
I was wondering if you'd have any interest in joining Austria and myself in
a Center Alliance. It's been my experience that if one of the three of us
falls to an enemy, then usually one of the other two is next to go and once
a corner power gets a foothold they are very difficult to contain. Even if
we cannot help each other per se gain centers, we should, at the very least,
be aware of each other defensive needs. What are your thoughts on this
matter?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Germany to all
I will adopt Team Deutsche Telekom and Jan Ullrich. Although my heart
will be with Lance again. We finally have live TV coverage here in
the US. On OLN (Outdoor life network) Finally there's a reason to pay
for cable TV.
Fred
> I imagine that Germany will be pulling for Team Deustche
> Telekom
Message from Russia to all
I'll take Rabobank since it starts with R. 8-)
Nicky.
Message [from Germany] to all
What can I say. Obviously I don't stand a chance. ;-)
My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
years. So my rating will probably sink even further.
I guess I'm just really bad at strategy.
> Rich Olver: 1271 JDPR. The underdog. :-) Normally, that rating is
> one of the top one or two in a game, but not here. Played 34 games,
> mostly no-press in recent years. Full-press wins in 'winooski' on USIN,
> 'vergenne' on USEF, and a 2WD in 'vgfp0008' on USVG in the first round.
> JDPR peaked at 1471, before the 1999 and 2000 Vermont Group no-press
> tournaments (which didn't go so well).
Message [from Russia] to all
> Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
> My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
> years. So my rating will probably sink even further. I guess I'm just
> really bad at strategy.
No, that's not an accurate conclusion. My rating is pretty evenly
the result of my press ability and my strategy and tactics, but so far
I've lost four games in the 2001-VGNP. I did not lose because I
was outplayed, but because someone else did something stupid like
stabbing for a single Center, or failing to recognize that it was
necessary to form a "Stop the Leader" alliance, in spite of repeated
Convoys of his Armies to the Leader's capital. It doesn't matter how
well you play if the people near you do dumb things that hurt you and
help someone else.
Message [from Germany] to all
>
> > Broadcast message in 'titleist':
> >
> > My results in the 2001 NoPress Tourney is no better than the other
> > years. So my rating will probably sink even further. I guess I'm just
> > really bad at strategy.
>
> No, that's not an accurate conclusion. My rating is pretty evenly
> the result of my press ability and my strategy and tactics, but so far
> I've lost four games in the 2001-VGNP. I did not lose because I
> was outplayed, but because someone else did something stupid like
> stabbing for a single Center, or failing to recognize that it was
> necessary to form a "Stop the Leader" alliance, in spite of repeated
> Convoys of his Armies to the Leader's capital. It doesn't matter how
> well you play if the people near you do dumb things that hurt you and
> help someone else.
Oh don't get me started on my bad luck for neighbors. I swear this is
what happened one year. When I was Russia, Turkey opened to Armenia.
When I was Germany, England left himself WIDE open to France, and never
responded after being stabbed. When I was France, England made his 1st
build a fleet in Liverpool. When I was Austria, Italy opened to Trieste.
I will admit culpability though. I tend to trust people entirely too
much. In the NoPress tournaments there seems to be a lot of stabbing
going on just for the sake of the stab. I've never changed tactics to
match this. Guess I'm just too much of a nice guy. Note my two way
win. My partner didn't come through, so I guess it's ok to say that I
carried him over the finish line. I basically put a gun to his head and
said that he'll take the two way, my way. (Maybe I'm not that nice)
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Gentlemen:
I'm sure that you're tied up with communications with Turkey and
Russia. So I'll keep this short.
Remember the old song 'Stuck in the Middle with You'? It appears that
that's exactly what we are. We all know that we're on the inside
looking out. All the other powers have to come to the middle to collect
centers. We on the other hand have to expand outward. A much tougher
job.
If this were a earlier round game, and all we needed was a draw, I'd
propose that the three of us stick together til the endgame. Since the
object in this game isn't a draw, that won't really work. But we should
at least agree to keep our communications lines open, and not to
pressure each other for the first couple of moves.
For my part I'll say up front that I won't be going to Tyrolia this
turn. If either of you feel the need to move there I'd appreciate a
heads up on that move. Knowing that you're going in and why will
certainly go a long way toward relieving an urge to immediately attack
that unit.
Play on
Frederick MLXXXVII
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
Get off that chair, go and get your Oscar. You're one happy guy,
aren't you.
Whoops, I didn't read your press about the Center Alliance, before
sending you that note about GAI. Obviously I agree.
We do have one other source of discussion. Obviously France. Nothing
is resolved with respect to Belgium yet. In fact nobody's even brought
up the subject. Yet. It's mostly been a lot of happy talk, England
proposing that we attack France, France proposing that we attack
England. I think that they ought to attack each other and leave me
alone. The usual opening game press.
England makes an interesting argument that I had already thought of.
That our France is probably the favorite and #1 seed. While the
'underdog' and the 8th seed are probably in GAI somewhere. IE the
best player is sitting with the most powerful country. France. It
does bear serious consideration.
I'd suggest that Italy head west, and if you were to do this I'd
certainly pledge my support. But I realize that Italian designs are
rarely to immediately turn toward France. Even after the 1st build. Too
many other problems in Turkey to take care of. Plus England and Germany
usually tie up France enough that he's too busy to swing south.
If I were in your shoes I'd build a good talking relationship with
Germany, so you can be aware if France/England build a juggernaut, and
France heads south. Then I'd work with Austria to take out Turkey.
Keeping an eye to the west.
I'll agree to be your spy at any time. In exchange there's not really
much that I can ask for. Certainly any intelligence that you can pass
along to me will be helpful. But I doubt if E or F will give you real
insight. I'd love to see an Italian army in Piedmont. I can't ask for
that though, as I realize that that would compromise any agreement that
you have with France. And there's no sense in tugging on Superman's
cape.
I will add a further thought though. If Italy is to win the game,
you'll have to get a fleet into the Atlantic. There is not better way
to do that than to ally with Germany and England early, and partition
France. Get yourself past that stalemate point early on, and your
chances of getting the win go up.
Frederick LXXIV
Message [from Austria] to all
> England may wish to adopt the American USPS team, as they
> share a common language.
surely you must be joking
Message [from Austria] to all
> Note my two way
> win. My partner didn't come through, so I guess it's ok to say that I
> carried him over the finish line. I basically put a gun to his head and
> said that he'll take the two way, my way.
dale didnt make it to the finals just you your better
than him right
Message from England to Italy
My good Roberto,
>> Ha-ha. So you do know me. Why not just announce my i.d. in
>> a broadcast and claim the prize?
>>
>
>What?, and spoil everybody elses fun.
Two of our friends have identified me after confessing that they consulted
references. A third had given up. I expect that in another day I will
announce you as the winner and make a few comments on the subject.
Had I been Van Lingle Mungo, would you have known me? Did you know Ivy
Wingo because you are a Reds fan or a J. Bench fan? Or are you an all
around baseball fan?
>The more I think about it and the more I discuss issues with the other
>powers, perhaps my best approach would be a quick strike against France.
>Have you heard from Germany yet?
Yes, finally. Please make his acquaintence yourself and let me know what
you think. An anti-French assault is not very attractive for Italy if
Germany is not on board. If Germany is on board, then its a cakewalk. The
three of us could evenly share Spain, Portugal, Marseilles, Paris, Brest,
and Belgium very, very quickly.
Most cordially,
Ivy
Message from France to all
Well, that was an exciting opening to the First Stage of
the Tour de France. After opening ceremony, I was
distracted by an argument over whether the middleclass
truly has freedom. So I will reply on the following
excerpt from the offical royal coverage of the race:
Festina rider Christophe Moreau, winner of the
recent Dauphine Libere stage race, has stunned the
Tour de France by winning the prologue by an
outstanding three seconds. Defending champion
Lance Armstrong (USPS) finished the 8.2 kilometer
test just four seconds behind Moreau.
He went on to add that the Festina rider was helped when
a team mate grabbed a spoke from his wheel and poked
Lance Armstrong while he was making his move. I have
discounted this claim of course. It is not that I think
that there would be no stabbing going on, I think that
amounts to a minor fine. I just do not believe one can
remove spoke from a wheel at high speeds.
Well, with this first victory, my team Festina takes the
first points! Vivre la France! That does pose a dilema
however. If Festina wins, that means my sister wins a
date with my brother, the Dauphin. Well, I do not mind
punishing my brother like that, but my sister deserves
something better. Perhaps I can give the Dauphin too
much wine and send him off with the 90 year old chamber
maid who assists my sister.
Official Tally:
(note that I assigned teams to Austria and Turkey)
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 0 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 0 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
I will try to send more diplomacy related mail later
today after I do some mundane things like go hunting
(take a trip to the grocery store).
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
"St. Petersburg Pravda"
"A Slow Start for Team Robobank"
> Well, that was an exciting opening to the First Stage of the Tour de
France.
> Official Tally:
> Russia (Robobank): 0 points
It was learned today that the members of Team Robobank were delayed by
Union Steward V. I. Lenin, who was attempting to explain the benefits that
unionization would present to both bank workers and bicyclists. Union
Steward Lenin has been encouraged to attempt to unionize other teams before
the next stage, and to speak with Team Robobank only after the stage has
been completed.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
Well, I have received meaningful letters from everyone now, though
England and France continue to be winning the battle for press frequency.
Given Germany's late start, I have been pretty free in expressing my concern
to England about France's natural advantages, and Prince Boar's obvious
skill with a pen. He seems to agree with my evaluation, but is
understandably hesitant to commit to an attack without support from Germany.
I floated the possibility of EIR to Ivy without suggesting that our
relationship is particularly close. Opening Ven-Pie might be all it would
take to get England to commit, and an EF war would be to both our
advantages, I think. What you do with Army Venice is, of course, your
decision, though.
The Austrian Ambassador has finally arrived in St. Petersburg, and I am
favorably impressed. (Particularly since the Archduke has been so
unimpressive.) The Austrian Ambassador and I are discussing a possible
attack on Turkey, but I have not, and do not plan to, mention you. Better
that the Archduke thinks he has two separate allies against Turkey than that
there is an AIR vs. T arrangement. Ali Baba and I are, of course,
discussing the possibility of a Juggernaut, but frankly, I feel the risks
outweigh the benefits. Frederick of Germany says he plans to respond to the
barrage of press from EF largely with silence, which I do not understand,
but we are discussing Sweden, and I am hopeful that he will not oppose
Sweden joining the EEU under Russian protection. How does this match up
with what you are hearing?
In Friendship,
Nicky.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I must apologize that my reference list of tactical
maneuvers was lost. Maybe it was the same intern that
spilled spaghetti on your map - or perhaps a relative?
At any rate, I cannot at the moment explain to you what
the Alpine Chicken is. I suspect it may be a dance. In
my younger days I used to do this thing called the
chicken dance. Perhaps one day I can show it to you, or
if you know it we can do it together. It used to be
accompanied by drinking beer, so we will have to keep
that in mind.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 1 Results:
With a perfectly timed sprint, German Sprinter Erik Zabel
wins the first Stage of the Tour de France. (Note that
yesterday's race was the Prologue.)
This gives 10 points to Germany and puts Zabel as the
favorite to win the Green Jersey (best sprinter).
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 0 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Christophe Moreau (FES) 5 hrs 4 min 35 secs
2. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :03 secs
3. Lance Armstrong (USPS) :04
5. Jan Ullrich (TEL) :07
6. Florent Brard (FES) :07
10. Joseba Beloki (ONC) :13
Message from Italy to France
>
> At any rate, I cannot at the moment explain to you what
> the Alpine Chicken is.
>
Allow me, I've done some research this weekend. The Alpine Chicken opens:
ven-pie
rom-ven
nap-ion
It's intended as a feint to France since it's most popular fall move is
ven-tri; pie-tyr to catch an unsuspecting Austrian.
I must tell you that I have 4 of the other 5 powers urging me to open
ven-pie. Do you have any friends beyond me in this game? :)
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
> I expect that in another day I will announce you as
> the winner and make a few comments on the subject.
>
I'd prefer to stay anonymous. Not sure why.
> Had I been Van Lingle Mungo, would you have known me?
No.
> Did you know Ivy Wingo because you are a Reds fan or a
> J. Bench fan? Or are you an all around baseball fan?
>
Let's just say I happened to know who holds the record for most errors
all-time by a catcher and leave it at that. I will admit I did have to look
up what team he played for which is where I got the Bench reference.
> >Have you heard from Germany yet?
>
> Yes, finally. Please make his acquaintence yourself and let
> me know what you think.
>
Talked with him the other day. I was impressed. He basically said he would
not ask that I move to Piedmont but if I were so inclined that he would
pledge his full support. I'll let you know if I hear more.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
Well, about the only piece of business left for me decide before I write my
spring orders is whether or not I want to convoy an army to Tunis leaving a
fleet in the Ionean for spring '02. My only concern is, that would
certainly be a strong indication to Turkey of my intent and could very well
cause a fleet build in Smyrna which would slow our progress. A fleet in
Tunis can be argued will be moving to the West Med. The Ionean leaves
little doubt to its intent. What would your preference be: convoy or no
convoy?
What did you think about Germany's message to the both of us. I think it a
good idea. While the majority of our units, at least early on, will be
focused east, I don't think we can allow an EF alliance to rollover Germany.
We need a viable German to keep the west contained at least until we're done
with Turkey. We're going to need to keep an eye out west with the
possibility of moving a unit or two to help our center neighbor. What are
your thoughts?
Roberto
Message from England to all
To: diplomats far and wide.
From: Ivy Wingo
The identify Ivy Wingo contest is over. Amazingly, the winner prefers to
remain anonymous! Since I don't yet want to antagonize any of our good
fellows, I must respect this shy man's request. However, if he ever
performs a dasterdly deed I shall expose him without remorse.
Ivy Wingo was a catcher for the St. Louis Cardinals and Cincinnati Reds. I
chose the name only because I was fond of its wacky sound. It was tempting
to go with the even wackier Van Lingle Mungo, but that player has already
been celebrated in song.
Now for the prize. The prize is Belgium. The winner, although
unidentified, is free to travel to Belgium to make his claim. He may wish
travel afloat, but a land route would be quicker. I am sure that my good
friends Prince Boar and/or Freddy will issue the necessary visas upon request.
What's this I hear? I can't believe my ears. "We don't need no stinkin'
visas!"
Well, what ever happened to civility? And I thought I was playing with
gentlemen. It is indeed best that this rogue not be known by name. But
beware the snake who crawls into Belgium.
Message from Austria to Italy
I don't believe it is necessary for you to decide the convoy question
until after the spring results. But it seems to me that Turkey will
almost certainly build an outside fleet this winter regardless of our
moves, unless he is required to do otherwise by a strong alliance. I
doubt that you and he will form such a strong alliance so early in this
game, and I can't imagine any other power who would prefer a Turkish
army build to a fleet build.
The Archduke's strategic advisors prefer the convoy as foundation for an
attack on Turkey. The fleet move to Tunis is one tempo closer to
France, one tempo further from Turkey. As such, it is usually
considered anti-France, and might encourage France to send a fleet into
the Med. That in turn would disrupt our attack on Turkey.
Germany's message was pleasant. His concern is probably that France is,
by geography, stronger than England or Germany unaided. If Germany is
unable to gain alliance with England, he will need both our help, either
immediately against an EF alliance, or eventually after England falls to
an FG alliance.
If an EG alliance does eventuate, France can hold out for quite a while,
until Russia or the Austro-Hungarian Empire moves against Germany -
unless, that is, Italy also moves against France, and/or Russia and the
Empire are too engaged with each other to move against Germany.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Turkey
You gave me a lot to think about over the weekend.
>
> yes IT can and has been done. I have seen (and participated
> in) such alliances before, and they can work out quite well.
>
I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with, quite frankly,
less experienced players. Turkey has only 3 routes to expand and two of
those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to 4 routes of
expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I think it just
the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1 of the routes
that causes conflict.
> The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
> we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless
> struggles for control of the seas.
This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing, let me just
say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly give up control
of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly give up control
of the Aegean or Eastern Med. I think as long as we understand these
issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but we also need
them for offensive possibilities as well.
> My experience is that to make it work, Turkey
> must embark on the course of a land-based power.
I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than to see Turkey
become a land-based power.
> After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval resources for
> defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can sometimes make
> Italian admirals nervous.
Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will probably, emphasis
on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
> Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> necessarily be the same power).
>
I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will probably depend on
the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
regardless of owner.
>
> Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> never get along."
I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But, just
from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power for a couple of
reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2) there are just not
a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of patience. The
rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
I owe you a message but it has been a hectic day at work today. I hope to
be able to send something out tomorrow. Didn't want you thinking I was
ignoring you.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
I owe you a message but it has been a hectic day at work today. I hope to
be able to send something out tomorrow. Didn't want you thinking I was
ignoring you.
Roberto
Message from France to all
Sorry, this will be brief. I still need to catch up on
my other mail.
Tour de France Stage 2 Results:
After riding in a break of 16 for the last 20 kilometers
Rabobank rider Marc Wauters took the victory in Stage 2
of the 2001 Tour de France today. The expected contenders
for the overall victory--Moreau, defending champion Lance
Armstrong and Jan Ullrich--all survived the day without
incident.
This gives 10 points to Russia and puts Wauters in the
Yellow Jersey. Can he hold on for the Tour de France
victory? Time will tell.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 10 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Marc Wauters (RAB) 9 hours 40 minutes 17 seconds
3. Servais Knaven (DFF) @ :27
4. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :27
9. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :30
11. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :31
12. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :34
13. Florent Brard (FES) @ :34
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
La Vie, C'est tres belle! Indeed!
Thank you for your explanation of the Alpine Chicken. I
had asked the Dauphin and he explained it to me as well.
And he did a little dance himself when I explained why I
was asking. He was hopping mad. He was angry with me
that I had promised that I had your neutrality, and here
you are threatening to move to Piedmont, contrary to your
earlier statement that you would not. He did calm down a
bit when I explained that you were merely telling me what
others had told you to do. At least now he is mad at
someone else and not at me. The Dauphin did suggest that
you go for a variation of the Lepanto. He said that
there is a great deal of flexibility with this opening
move. It can be used against Austria as well as Turkey.
In some variations you can annoy Germany. Anyone but
France!
According to your letter, 4 or 5 other people asked you
to move to Piedmont. Well, that would be just about
everyone, wouldn't. Either everyone is so afraid of the
Dauphin's military skill or I have succeeded in
alienating everyone! I usually take more time to annoy
people. This must be a new record.
Someone told me that France had done poorly in all the
semi-final games because people assumed that the best
players had chosen France and they ganged up on her.
Well, my first thought is I wonder how this person (who
will remain nameless) knows what happened in all three
games. At any rate. I will reply to them, and I will
repeat it to you, that the players who did the best in
Round 2 may not have been the best players from Round 1.
Therefore, the most dangerous players may be in other
countries. Also, it is entirely possible that the top
seeds chose less likely powers, just to put someone else
as the threat in the early going. It is very difficult
to know. Beside, all the powers are dangerous, so it
really does not matter who has what country.
I hope that I can count on you to keep our border
neutral. If you keep it that way, you will have two
benefits. The first is that you can count on neutrality
from me for a very long time. I have many other things
to do before I would start thinking about the
Mediterranean. Second, if your are threatened, and I
have the ability, I will glad send help, solely at your
request. As I have stated before. I want a viable Italy
to remain as my best defense to the south for a long,
long time. I hope to remain your best defense to the
west for just as long.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
>I am sure that my good friends Prince Boar and/or
>Freddy will issue the necessary visas upon request
I would gladly issue Visas for the winner to travel to
Belgium. Simply pass through Munich and Ruhr and
everything will be just fine.
> Go Team O.N.C.E!
>Doug
That's the spirit!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Italy
Perish the thought. I'm taking 74 of my best friends on a weekend
getaway this weekend. I'm literally swamped myself. That's what you
get when you're the President of a social club.
Fred
> Message from Italy to Germany in 'titleist':
>
> I owe you a message but it has been a hectic day at work today. I hope to
> be able to send something out tomorrow. Didn't want you thinking I was
> ignoring you.
>
> Roberto
Message from Russia to all
> Rabobank rider Marc Wauters took the victory in Stage 2
> of the 2001 Tour de France today. This gives 10 points
> to Russia and puts Wauters in the Yellow Jersey. Can he
> hold on for the Tour de France victory? Time will tell.
Marc, Marc, he's our man, if he can't do it, well then
Lance can! (The United States Postal Service is unionized,
after all.)
V. I. Lenin,
European Union Steward for Russia.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Negotiations Diploman, things seem to heating up, but so far the
negotiations have been slow.
DM> Yes, Boy Gambit, things have been a bit slow.
BG> But one guy rambles on about unions, another goes on and on about a bike
race, and a third says nothing but blahs. Don't they know there is a game of
Diplomacy going on?
DM> Well, relationships take time to build. Besides, some people insist on
taking all the time allotted.
BG> Well, myself and the other observers are falling asleep here. I wish that
they would just get on with it.
DM> Be patient Boy Gambit. You know that we must be ever vigilant to seek out
the betrayer, the liar, the stabber and bring them to justice. That is our
role.
BG>ZZZZZZZzzzzz
Message from Turkey to all
My fellow conspirators,
I have been having ISP problems that have prevented me from replying to
press, and in some cases prevented me from receiving them. I am using
alternate methods to get this message through. The scoundrels that formerly
provided these so-called "services" have been executed and replaced, and our
communications centre will be in full operating status by this evening. If
you have sent anything to me in the last few days, please re-send.
Apologies for this untimely inconvenience.
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Turkey
Just in case you didn't get this the first time. My apologies for not
removing the '>'.
>
> You gave me a lot to think about over the weekend.
>
> >
> > yes IT can and has been done. I have seen (and participated
> > in) such alliances before, and they can work out quite well.
> >
>
> I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with,
> quite frankly,
> less experienced players. Turkey has only 3 routes to expand
> and two of
> those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to
> 4 routes of
> expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I
> think it just
> the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1
> of the routes
> that causes conflict.
>
> > The usual problem is one of naval dominance;
> > we cannot be effective together if we engage in useless
> > struggles for control of the seas.
>
> This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing,
> let me just
> say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly
> give up control
> of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly
> give up control
> of the Aegean or Eastern Med. I think as long as we understand these
> issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
> constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but
> we also need
> them for offensive possibilities as well.
>
> > My experience is that to make it work, Turkey
> > must embark on the course of a land-based power.
>
> I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than
> to see Turkey
> become a land-based power.
>
> > After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval
> resources for
> > defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can
> sometimes make
> > Italian admirals nervous.
>
> Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will
> probably, emphasis
> on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
>
> > Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> > be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> > necessarily be the same power).
> >
>
> I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will
> probably depend on
> the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
> regardless of owner.
>
> >
> > Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> > "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> > never get along."
>
> I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
> couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
> But, just
> from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
> occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power
> for a couple of
> reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2)
> there are just not
> a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
> alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of
> patience. The
> rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
>
> Roberto
>
> End of message.
>
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> Just in case you didn't get this the first time. My apologies for not
> removing the '>'.
Thanks, I hadn't seen this. No apology needed of course!
> > I think the problem is, so many games we witness are with,
> > quite frankly,
> > less experienced players.
This may be... but on the other hand, part of my experience stems from a
very successful game I once had as Italy, with a strong Turkish ally. He
and I hit it off, and this was early enough in my career that I didn't
"know" that Italy and Turkey are supposed to be enemies. The game ended in
an EIT draw.
> > Turkey has only 3 routes to expand
> > and two of
> > those come into direct conflict with Italy. Italy has up to
> > 4 routes of
> > expansion but 2 of those come into conflict with Turkey so I
> > think it just
> > the odds are quite high either Italy or Turkey will choose 1
> > of the routes
> > that causes conflict.
That can be said of any two neighbors on the board. I assume that by 3
avenues for Turkish expansion, you mean through Italy, through Austria, or
through Russia. As I see it, it need not (and likely will not) be
all-or-nothing. In an IT alliance, I envision a sharing of Austrian
resources, rather than either of us controlling Austria entirely.
> > This does get to the crux of the problem. Before continuing,
> > let me just
> > say that I cannot forsee a situation that I would willingly
> > give up control
> > of the Ionean Sea. Similarly, I doubt you would willingly
> > give up control
> > of the Aegean or Eastern Med.
Depends on how you define "control". If you mean, Turkey never tries to get
a fleet into Ion, then I agree. If you mean, Italy must station a fleet
permanently in Ion, then I disagree, at least long-term. Appropriate
demilitarization is part of any alliance, and I would really foresee Italian
fleets in the Adriatic and pressing France and Iberia. Meanwhile, my
primary fleet requirement would be a permanent station in the Black Sea and
perhaps one to defend the eastern Med; but in any case, not in any position
to threaten Italian holdings.
> > I think as long as we understand these
> > issues, then the debate over the placement of our fleets becomes more
> > constructive. We both need fleets for defensive purposes but
> > we also need
> > them for offensive possibilities as well.
See, that's just my point. As soon as you take it for granted that Turkey
needs fleets for "offensive purposes", we run into trouble; such fleets
could only be used against Italy.
> > I am glad to hear this. Nothing would make me happier than
> > to see Turkey
> > become a land-based power.
Heh heh I don't doubt it. Likewise, nothing would make me happier than to
have such good relations with Italy that I've got the freedom to embark on
such a course. Too many Italians force my hand with Leponto openings,
driving me into Russian arms whether I like it or not.
> > > After all, even a land-based Turkey must have some naval
> > resources for
> > > defensive purposes, and *any* Turkish fleet builds can
> > sometimes make
> > > Italian admirals nervous.
> >
> > Reading between the lines, I assume your first build will
> > probably, emphasis
> > on probably, be a fleet. I completely understand.
I think you've read more than was there, but my first reaction is that I'm
glad you read between the lines, and I'm glad you brought it up. Forming
and maintaining a good alliance requires that we each clearly ascertain what
the other is thinking, and that we both feel free to voice our concerns.
In any case, I have not even given any thought to what my first build might
be, nor will I do so until the fall movement has shaken out. But I've
sometimes been approached by Italians with "I'll be your ally if you promise
not to build any fleets", which I don't feel is a reasonable demand.
> > > Another matter to be resolved would be who should
> > > be the short-term and long-term owner of Greece (and they need not
> > > necessarily be the same power).
> > >
> >
> > I don't have an answer to that question just yet. Will
> > probably depend on
> > the board dynamics. I can imagine though that unit should be an army
> > regardless of owner.
Agreed. One tactic is to get Turkish armies in Gre and Bul, then have Italy
move into Greece as Bul supports Gre-Ser.
This brings to mind another aspect that I forgot to mention, but that I feel
is important. I am firmly committed to the principles of mutual growth and
size. Italy and Turkey are powers that often build only one in the first
year. It will be crucial for us to grow in such a way that neither of us
outpaces the other, and we will have to coordinate our growth as carefully
as we coordinate our efforts on the battlefield.
> > > Most importantly, though, I think it's a mistake to say
> > > "this-power and that-power are always enemies, they can
> > > never get along."
> >
> > I completely agree and I hope I didn't make it seem like I thought we
> > couldn't be allies. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Glad to hear it. =)
> > But, just
> > from our short conversation, it seems obvious that it's not a natural
> > occurance for Turkey to become an immediate land-based power
> > for a couple of
> > reasons, 1) you need fleets for defensive purposes and 2)
> > there are just not
> > a whole lot of easy, immediate centers for you to gain. Thus, the IT
> > alliance will take communication, cooperation, and a lot of
> > patience. The
> > rewards, as you point out though, can be quite profitable.
I agree with the last two sentences. However, as for point (1), this can be
controlled and need not be immediate. And as for point (2), it's true that
Turkey doesn't have any immediate easy centres; but by the same token, that
fact remains whether I'm anti-Italian or not, so I don't see it as a factor.
Once IT can get established, I think we've got good prospects. Between us
lies the Balkan region, with enough SCs for both of us. Combined IT efforts
can be very effective in the Balkans, and gains there can easily fuel
expeditions into Austria, Russia and France.
My goals for the immediate future are simple. I want to open to a flexible,
defensive position and see how the first year shakes out. I make no secret
of the fact that I'll be looking for a strong ally among my neighbors. Our
discussions have had the greatest promise so far, and I very much look
forward to continuing our discussions.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 3 Results:
Erik Zabel (Telekom) proved again
why he's been the winner of the
Tour's green jersey for best
sprinter five times as he blew
through an uphill sprint at the end
of today's stage Seen at
the front of the race in the late
going were defending Tour champ
Lance Armstrong (USPS), and
hopefuls Jan Ullrich (Telekom) and
Christophe Moreau.
I thought that the TdF was a long haul race and not one
for sprinters. But it looks like a sprinter is stealing
the show for now. Can Zabel avoid the early leader
syndrom and not have all the other powers conspiring to
beat him down! Emperor Frederick best watch out. This
may work against him :-)
This gives 10 more points to Germany and likely sets him
up for 20 more points for the Green Jersey.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 0 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.)14-hours 15-minutes 44-seconds
2. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :17-seconds
5. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :20
7. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :21
8. Erik Zabel (TEL) @ :23
9. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :24
10. Florent Brard (FES) @ :24
12. Joseba Beloki (ONC) @ :30
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Is everything OK with you and Austria? I have nothing
definate, but based on bits and pieces, it does not seem
like there is that tight Austrian-Italian alliance that
is so often necessary. I would not want to see you
focussed west while Turkish fleets or Austrian armies
walk in your back door.
OH by the way, I consulted the Royal Chef. He says that
the dish Alpine Chicken is out-dated these days. People
much prefer Roast Turkey, or if they want to splurge on
the unhealthy side, they go for Austrian Dumpling! Just
thought I would let you know, as you seem to be a man who
loves life, and food is an important part of the
enjoyment!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
Major thunderstorm fried my modem. The replacement is working, finally,
but it's late, and I'm annoyed, so I'll try to contact everyone tomorrow.
Russia.
Message from Germany to all
It's that one two punch. Or is that a one-a and a two-a?
Zabel will win more stages and the green jersey. In the mountains we
have Ullrich. Can Team Telekom be stopped? Time will tell.
> I thought that the TdF was a long haul race and not one
> for sprinters. But it looks like a sprinter is stealing
> the show for now. Can Zabel avoid the early leader
> syndrom and not have all the other powers conspiring to
> beat him down! Emperor Frederick best watch out. This
> may work against him :-)
>
> This gives 10 more points to Germany and likely sets him
> up for 20 more points for the Green Jersey.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 3 Results:
Official Report:
Former UCI #1 rider Laurent Jalabert (CSC), proved to be
too strong for breakaway partner Ludo Dierckxens (Lampre)
as he took the two-man sprint to win the 215-kilometer
fourth stage of the 2001 Tour de France from Huy to
Verdun.
Aussie Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) managed to keep his the
yellow leader's jersey that he won yesterday, despite a
number of serious breakaways thoughout the day. Defending
champ Lance Armstrong (USPS) stayed clear of trouble and
is still in a good position to vie for a third
consecutive win.
Prince Boar's commentary:
I wonder why they keep talking about Lance And Jan
Ullrich as favorites when they cannot manage to even
break into the top 5. Perhaps when the road gets tough
in the Pyrenees. It is clear that Moreau of Team Festina
is the true favorite! :-)
Atleast a new great power gather some points as the
Turks' team, CSC takes the stage! Congratulations to Ali
Baba.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 10 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 19-hours 32-minutes 49-seconds
3. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ :23
5. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (ONC) @ :26
7. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ :27
8. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ :30
9. Florent Brard (FES) @ :30
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
How are things going? I have not heard much from you. I
assume that you are busy negotiating in the south. I
actually do not mind not hearing from Austria, Turkey and
Russia. But as one of my nearest neighbors, I feel the
urge to talk to you more.
Just drop me a line letting me know how things are going.
Feel free to be honest. If there are still pressure for
you to attack me, I am happy to discuss the reasons for
doing something else. Otherwise, I want to make certain
that I do not badger you by going on and on about a moot
point.
I of course do not expect you to tell me your plans or
your opening. But if you ever want a friendly ear to
discuss options, even hypothetically, I am here for you.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
It is close to decision time and I hope to hear from you one more time
before I enter my moves. Perhaps you might wish to choose from 1) to 5)
below or submit an original essay of your own.
1) I am moving to Piedmont with the intention of participating in a triple
attack on France.
2) I am moving to Piedmont, but am still uncertain whether I am going east
or west.
3) I prefer not to move to Piedmont.
4) You, Mr. Wingo, are a scoundrel, and I spit in your eye.
5) I prefer not to reveal my plans at this time.
[Germany tells me that he wants to join in an attack on France, but that
his moving to Burgundy is a prearranged bounce. So if you are in Piedmont,
the fall move Piedmont->Marseilles prevents France from taking Spain
without the loss of Marseilles.]
Obviously, I am making my final decision on whether to attempt the Channel.
Your response will enable me to decide whether to attack now or to hold
off and mave moves that enable me to ally with either France or Germany
later on.
Please understand that any response that you give me, including "no
comment," will not affect your good reputation in England.
Most sincerely,
Ivy
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
How are things in Rome? I presume that you
and Austria have agreed to some form of a Lepanto
attack on Turkey. Based on my discussions with Ali
Baba, it seems unlikely that he will open Ank-Con,
so the Lepanto should work. I will be issuing orders
to the troops this evening, but will not execute them
until the agreed upon hour, so I can adjust based on
any last minute information you might be able to
provide. Most particularly, has Austria given you
any indication that he plans to surprise me? We've
been discussing an attack on Turkey, but haven't
settled the Galicia question, yet. Please write if
you can.
Your Friend, and Ally,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Austria, England, France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey
My sincere apologies for less than punctual in returning press. Real life
as gotten the best of me the last couple of days. Don't feel 'special' that
you haven't heard from me the last couple of days - I've 'ignored' each of
you equally.
I promise first thing tomorrow morning (Friday) to send a message to all.
Once again, my apologies.
Life is Beautiful (except when it interferes with my Diplomacy),
Roberto
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 5 Results:
The fifth stage of the Tour de France is a team trial
stage. Each member of the team gets assigned the time of
the slowest member. The teams therefore ride together
and try to help each other. In most trials so far, the
difference between first and second place has been 0-3
seconds. In this stage Team Credit Agricole finished
almost a half a minute faster than the next team and
almost a minute ahead the the next. The fourth team,
USPS, was almost a minute and a half behind.
This is quite an accomplishment for Credit Agricole since
they were not expected to contend. They must have been
inspired by the fact that one of their team mates is
wearing the Yellow Jersey. O'Grady should hold that lead
for a while, perhaps until the Mountain stages.
NO one gets any points. But at least it is a French team
with the lead. Too bad it is not the one that is riding
for me (Festina).
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O'Grady (C.A.) 20 hours, 54 minutes 21 seconds
4. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @ :57
8. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 1:17
15. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ 1:53
19. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 2:20
24. Michael Boogerd (RAB) @ 2:47
Message from Germany to all
I will be away this weekend. So my next message to anyone will be on
Monday.
This will give you all a good opportunity to blame everything on me.
Sorry, but my schedule calls for me having way too much fun this
weekend.
Frederick XCMXXMVVIII the 3rd
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Life is Beautiful (except when it interferes with
>my Diplomacy)
Nonsense. Life is always beautiful. It is diplomacy
that can sometimes get ugly. I hope that whatever issues
you were dealing with turned out well.
Perhaps we will get time to chat before the deadline. If
not, I wish you the very best this season.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Austria to Italy
> I promise first thing tomorrow morning (Friday) to send a message to all.
I will be flying, followed by driving, most of Friday, and may not have
good communications for the following week either (family committments).
Austria-Hungary intends to maintain an alliance with Italy until and
unless Italy behaves in a way that makes continuation of that alliance
impossible.
I believe that Rom-Apu and Nap-Ion are appropriate moves for Italy, and I
would not be alarmed by Ven-Tyr as long as it was accompanied by Rom-Apu
or Rom-Nap. The northern wanderer Ven-Tyr-Boh-Sil can be key to AI
overcoming an RT alliance, which I currently have to assume we'll face.
I hope our alliance will be fruitful and rewarding for both of us.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
> I believe that Rom-Apu and Nap-Ion are appropriate moves for Italy,
I do believe I have settled on rom-apu and nap-ion. I have not committed
myself to convoying the army though but want to at least have the
possibility available to me.
> and I would not be alarmed by Ven-Tyr
This is the unit that I'm still not sure what I will do. I've considered
pie, tyr, tus, and holding. Piedmont in conjunction with the other two
moves above doesn't make much sense. No need to provoke the Frenchman.
Tuscany is a very defensive move but it would provide you with an assurance
that Trieste would not be attacked this fall so your units would be fully
available to you. Holding just doesn't seem like the way to go in a press
game. That leaves Tyrolia. I'll ask Germany whether or not it would be
okay with him if the reason for the move was the tyr-boh-sil crawl.
> I hope our alliance will be fruitful and rewarding for both of us.
As do I.
Again, my apologies for any inconvenience I may have caused with my delayed
press.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
Hope this reaches you before your trip.
Austria has given me the green light to move to Tyrolia for the express
purpose of moving to boh then to sil/gal in coming seasons.
I know you asked for advance warning of a move to Tyrolia. I have not made
up my mind that I will definitely move to Tyrolia but it is a distinct
possibility.
I realize there is a good chance that you won't receive this message in time
for a reply but, if possible, a stamp of approval would most likely tip the
scale for me in deciding my final order. If you have an opposing point of
view regarding the potential northern movement of my army, I would be most
interested in hearing that and I would certainly reconsider my orders.
Again, my apologies for any inconvience my delay in press has caused you and
I hope you have a good time this weekend.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
You can let your brother know that the move ven-pie in Spring 1901 has been
removed from the board and is not an option. My spaghetti tossing advisors
have convinced me that it is a poor opening tactic.
You had previously asked about Austria. I'm not sure where you received
your information that AI was having problems. Austria has proven to be a
fine diplomat and I am happy to call him a friend and potential ally.
Perhaps the Turk was leaking false information.
We wish you the best of luck in the coming season and hope to maintain a
peaceful western border for years to come.
Just for kicks and hypothetically of course, in conjunction with rom-apu and
nap-ion, how would you rank the following Venetian moves?
ven hold
ven - tus
ven - rom
ven - tyr
ven - tri
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
I'm afraid I'm going to have to compose my own entry #6.
6) I prefer not to move to Piedmont in the Spring of 1901 but would consider
the move at a later season in conjunction with a 3-way attack.
The advice I've received is that an immediate move to Piedmont is too easily
stopped by France and ties up too many of my units. My fear is that my
Austrian friend will be overrun by RT if I focus too much of my attention to
the west too soon.
> So if you are in Piedmont, the fall move Piedmont->Marseilles prevents
> France from taking Spain without the loss of Marseilles.]
Only if France makes a tactical mistake. If indeed FG have a pre-arranged
bounce in bur, then France should do either of 1) mar-spa which would leave
me with a guess as to whether or not to move into mar or 2) mar-bur and
par-gas which of course leaves France quite capable of capturing spa while
keeping mar.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
How are things going on your end? I hope you've had a chance to give
consideration to IT alliance. As time progresses, I myself am favoring it
more and more. Here is what I've seen since we last spoke.
Austria proposes that I join him against Russia, then build fleets to come
after you. I'm not altogether sure he's sincere, though, or else perhaps he
doesn't believe I'll move anti-Russian. Meanwhile, my discussions with
Russia concerning the Black Sea and the ultimate status of his southern
fleet have been unproductive.
In the West, Germany is simply being coy, and England hasn't written at all
lately. France, for his part, is mostly concerned that I not urge you in
his direction. My guess is that he'll concern himself within the Western
Triangle, and probably won't give you any trouble... although of course
that's just a guess.
In any case, I'd like to extend an official invitation to form an active IT
alliance. If you're willing to give it a shot, I can assure you, you'll
find me a quite worthy ally. My gut reaction to our dialogue so far is that
we ought to be able to get along well; I think we see many things from the
same perspective.
If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed. I see two
scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR joint effort
against Austria. As soon as Austria and Russia are fighting, probably
spring or fall of '02, I attack Russia. The hope is that A/R conflict will
make it difficult for them to join forces, and coordinated IT efforts should
be quite effective. This would mean I'd go along with Russia in the
opening, probably bouncing him in Bla and moving Smy-Con.
The other scenario is that I could go along with Austria at first, opening
blatantly anti-Russian, probably Ank-Bla, Smy-Arm. Austria has speculated
that you might be happy to remain neutral at first, though in truth I
suspect he's urging you against me. Anyway, assuming Austria did attack
Russia, that would leave him open to attack from Italy. I would then join
you against him, and again hopefully A/R conflict would give us an easier
time of it.
France has implied that there may be an AR alliance brewing, perhaps due to
untimely silence on both your part and mine. My impression was that he was
fishing, but of course an AR alliance wouldn't be good for either of us.
I may be risking a bit by revealing this much to you, but if we form an
alliance as I hope, then I believe we should combine our efforts in
intelligence as well as combat. I hope that you will consider my invitation
to alliance, and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest
convenience.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>ven hold
>ven - tus
>ven - rom
>ven - tyr
>ven - tri
When I play Italy, I almost always open to Tyrolia. It
ticks off the German, but I want to make certain that
there is early G-E alliance against France. It also
opens up the possibility of Munich, Vienna, or Trieste in
the fall, but I typically sit tight in Tyrolia or bounce
Austria somewhere. Tyrolia is a powerful place to be.
It is not necessarily a move against Germany. It also
opens up the possibility for a move to Bohemia in the
fall.
My second choice is to hold. It sounds boring, but it is
safe and leaves options for the future.
Do not forget the Rom -> Ven, Ven -> Apu option. It
accomplishes the same thing as Ven hold, but it is more
interesting.
I am glad to hear that things are going well with you and
Austria. I should not even repeat rumors as they are
almost always false at this stage of the game. It was
just something about Turkish fleets into the Mediterrean.
Something that neither one of us wants. Hopefully it is
false.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>When I play Italy, I almost always open to Tyrolia. It
>ticks off the German, but I want to make certain that
>there is early G-E alliance against France.
I meant to type "there is NO early G-E alliance...."
See what happens when you edit your sentences after
writing them, and then you do not proofread! :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
What a lucky day to have our first deadline! My
astrologer says that it will be a good day for me. I
just do not know why he was sweating so much, the air
conditioning was on? At any rate, I am sending you all a
four-leaf clover, just to cover your fate. I have
millions of clover in my yard, it should not be hard to
find a few with four leaves.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
Thank you most sincerely. Your response has been very helpful to me.
>> So if you are in Piedmont, the fall move Piedmont->Marseilles prevents
>> France from taking Spain without the loss of Marseilles.]
>
>Only if France makes a tactical mistake.
I have done my best to persuade on the basis of strategy. Given what I
know about the German and French moves, it is tempting to continue the
discussion on tactical grounds. But I sense the hour is too late for that
and you have made up your mind. Let's hope we can work together in the
future.
Did you ever see the old Bob Hope movie, The Paleface," in which he sings,
"East is East and West is West ... "?
Please do good work in the East. You will need to be very strong in the
mid-game if we hope to work together.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Master to all
Moves are due tonight, everyone. Some have 'wait' set, which is perfectly
fine. But if someone has failed to submit orders after ten days of
negotiation, I'm going to be upset . . .
Also, the following deadlines will be at 48hr intervals, not landing on
weekends. So this game is destined to pick up speed.
Doug
Message from Austria to Italy
> I do believe I have settled on rom-apu and nap-ion. I have not committed
> myself to convoying the army though but want to at least have the
> possibility available to me.
I believe the convoy is correct, but we can discuss it more after the moves.
>> and I would not be alarmed by Ven-Tyr
>
> This is the unit that I'm still not sure what I will do. I've considered
> pie, tyr, tus, and holding.
> That leaves Tyrolia. I'll ask Germany whether or not it would be
> okay with him if the reason for the move was the tyr-boh-sil crawl.
While my preference would be Ven-Tyr, Germany would undobtedly be nervous
about it, as he's probably going to send Kiel to Denmark immediately, and
use Mun-Ruh to assure himself of Holland and influence on Belgium. That
would leave Munich vulnerable to a sneak Tyr-Mun in the fall; protecting
against that would weaken his influence on the low countries. And even if
that weren't a concern to him, he'd still probably be uncomfortable with
your army wandering into Silesia, where it borders two of his home centers.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, just that you can expect Germany to
try to discourage you from it. On the other hand, a pattern of honesty in
that series of touchy situations will improve your believability in later
touchy situations.
If you decide not to do that, I suggest you order Ven-Tri. That's right,
attack me. I may decide to order Vie-Tri to bounce that, but if I don't, we
can proceed with a Key Lepanto, where Italy takes Serbia for the fastest
possible attack on Turkey. It's very risky for Austria-Hungary, which is
why I haven't decided to go ahead with it, but it does get that Venice army,
which otherwise just hangs around doing nothing, into action immediately.
I have connectivity for another hour or two, then I'm offline until after the
deadline. I will submit orders soon, and may change them just before I go
offline. Right now I'm in an airport with no local phone calls, paying long
distance charges to send this message. I must be crazy.
> Again, my apologies for any inconvenience I may have caused with my delayed
> press.
Summer is vacation time for many; I suspect this game would better have been
started in September, but the 2000 tournament then wouldn't end until 2002.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> If you decide not to do that, I suggest you order Ven-Tri.
> That's right, attack me. I may decide to order Vie-Tri to
> bounce that, but if I don't, we can proceed with a Key
> Lepanto, where Italy takes Serbia for the fastest
> possible attack on Turkey.
>
>From Italy's point of view, the Key Lepanto is the best way to go. It
allows me to build two fleets which gives us a total of three fleets against
Turkey while I would still have another fleet to keep on eye on the west -
used to either help France or be a pest so France doesn't get too powerful
too soon.
> It's very risky for Austria-Hungary, which is
> why I haven't decided to go ahead with it,
>
Which is also precisely why I haven't suggested it. Seems a bit rude for
Italy to ask Austria to take on that much risk so soon in a game.
I've asked Germany his opinion on my moving to Tyrolia but I suspect I won't
get a response as my tardiness as seen him leave town himself. I don't want
to move to Tyrolia without his approval so I'll order ven-tri and expect you
to bounce me. If you don't, we can discuss the Key or something else but I
don't want to be in Trieste come the winter.
After the game, feel free to bill me for the call....
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
Nick,
First, from my records, it would appear I have not sent you a message for a
week while I've received three from you. That's totally unacceptable and I
will strive to do better in the future. Hopefully, I make up in quality
what I lack in quantity.
> I presume that you and Austria have agreed to some form
> of a Lepanto attack on Turkey.
Yes we have. The latest is the Key Lepanto variation at his request. I do
believe that variation will be very favorable for the IR alliance. I hope
you agree.
> Based on my discussions with Ali
> Baba, it seems unlikely that he will open Ank-Con,
The latest I got from Turkey: "...discussions concerning the Black Sea ....
have been unproductive". He claims there will be no clear winner of the
Black Sea conflict this spring. It will be the first test of his
reliability in my eyes.
> Most particularly, has Austria given you
> any indication that he plans to surprise me? We've
> been discussing an attack on Turkey, but haven't
> settled the Galicia question, yet.
>
No, Austria has made no such indication. He's invited me to move to Trieste
and said he may decide to bounce me. He did not mention whether he would
move to Bud/Gal/??? or hold if he did not bounce me, although Budapest is
the likely landing point since he would need to support me to Serbia to
follow thru with the Key. Austria and I have talked about nothing but a
Turkish attack. There are no long-term agreements of what will happen if we
were successful. There has been no mention of Russian participation.
My take on the west: it's a mess. Ivy has been begging me to open ven-pie.
Personally, I think he knows France and I have agreed to a truce and he's
just looking to distract France so he and Germany are free to either head
your way or take France for themselves. I've heard thru the grapevine that
FG are prearranging a bounce in Burgundy. This means that Germany will not
be getting three builds so that is good news. I have absolutely no
indication as to whether or not Germany is planning on moving to Den in
preparation for a Swedish bounce. Germany has played it close to the vest
on that subject as have both EF (ie: they haven't leaked any
disinformation).
If there is anything more you need from me before the deadline, please do
not hesitate to ask. I will answer if possible.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> it would appear I have not sent you a message for
> a week while I've received three from you. That's
> totally unacceptable and I will strive to do better
> in the future. Hopefully, I make up in quality
> what I lack in quantity.
I understand that on occasion, life interferes
with Diplomacy, and the advantage of IR is that close
coordination is not necessary before S1901M.
> > I presume that you and Austria have agreed to some
> > form of a Lepanto attack on Turkey.
> Yes we have. The latest is the Key Lepanto variation
> at his request.
Really? My, that's convenient! 8-)
> The latest I got from Turkey: "...discussions
> concerning the Black Sea .... have been unproductive".
> He claims there will be no clear winner of the
> Black Sea conflict this spring.
He wanted to use the Slingshot Juggernaut
opening to destroy my Fleet. I almost agreed, since
it would have kept his Fleet out of Aeg for some
time, but I was concerned about how EG would react
to us showing Juggernaut in S1901M. I proposed a
Southern System, Turkish Attack Variant, combined
with a Turkish Hedgehog since it would hide the
Juggernaut effectively, and could be shifted into
an Austrian attack in the Fall, or 1902. Of course,
it would also have allowed me to attack Turkey in '02,
so he nixed that idea. As a result, I've proposed
that we bounce in Bla in the Spring, primarily to
keep him from opening Ank - Con.
> Austria and I have talked about nothing but a
> Turkish attack. There has been no mention of
> Russian participation.
Good. We just agreed to DMZ Gal, and
have agreed to attack Turkey, while we wonder
about Germany. 8-)
> My take on the west: it's a mess. Ivy has been
> begging me to open ven-pie. Personally, I think
> he knows France and I have agreed to a truce and
> he's just looking to distract France so he and
> Germany are free to either head your way or take
> France for themselves.
Well, France is a naturally strong Power,
and was one of the first Powers taken in 'titleist',
so that suggests that Prince Boar is a player to
be respected, if not feared. I've certainly
played that up in my discussions with Ivy. Ivy
claims to plan to take Nwy with a Fleet, and says
that he and Germany have had no discussions of
anti-Russian plans. He said he found that odd,
but Frederick does seem odd to me as well. Germany
has said that he's moving to Den, but has not yet
decided whether he will bounce me out of Sweden.
Nick.
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Austria proposes that I join him against Russia, then build
> fleets to come after you. I'm not altogether sure he's sincere,
>
This is not surprising. The Archduke has proposed to me a joint attack
against your fair nation, then I'd head west and he'd go against Russia.
I'm sure he's in consultation with Russia proposing attacking you and the
he'd attack me while Russia went towards Scandanavia. His hope is that
he'll cause enough confusion amongst us that he'll have his choice of
expansion paths. Can't say I wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
> Meanwhile, my discussions with
> Russia concerning the Black Sea and the ultimate status of
> his southern fleet have been unproductive.
>
I'm sorry to hear that. Why can't we all just get along? :)
Seriously, the Black Sea is a critical body of water for both Russia and
Turkey and I can certainly understand why neither of you would want to
relinquinsh control. Typically though, the Russian fleet is involved in
acquiring Rumania in the fall so often times Turkey can sneak Ank into the
Black Sea then.
Any idea whether Germany is planning on bouncing Russia in Sweden? Without
a second build, Russia would be hard-pressed to build a second southern
fleet to challenge your superiority in the Black Sea region.
> In the West, Germany is simply being coy,
>
Oh, cancel that last question. :) Germany hasn't tipped his hand to me
either. I suspect nobody knows but him.
> and England hasn't written at all lately.
I just keep getting, "I'll move to the Channel if you agree to move to
Piedmont". My gut tells me Ivy isn't sincere and would't move to the
Channel even if I agreed. I could test him by agreeing but then I look bad
for agreeing to something and not following thru.
> France, for his part, is mostly concerned that I not
> urge you in his direction. My guess is that he'll concern himself within
> the Western Triangle, and probably won't give you any trouble... although
> of course that's just a guess.
>
That's my take as well. I think France wants his Iberian builds without
causing any trouble and then decide his course of action. He may very well
move my direction but I doubt it would take too much to convince EG to
distract him were that the case. That does bring up a point though
regarding any attack we may be making in the Balkans. I don't want EG
rolling over France so I must be prepared to send a unit or two west to help
France if he so requests it. I'm not necessarily expecting that to happen,
I just wanted to make sure you understand that I will not sacrifice
long-term goals for short-term gain. If you've played any chess, you'll
understand the analogy that you don't take a pawn if it means your king will
ultimately be exposed. Of course, having my units already west at an
opportune moment wouldn't be bad either. :)
> In any case, I'd like to extend an official invitation to
> form an active IT alliance.
>
> If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed.
> I see two scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR
> joint effort against Austria.
>
This is obviously the easiest for me to agree to since I really can't
participate in an AIT attack on Russia. But, back to my chess analogy, I
don't want RT running mad either so the dissection of Austria would have to
provide me with a viable defensive position and a clear indication that a
Juggernaut was not forming (Turkish army builds would be clear enough).
Even Russia being sufficiently distracted in the north by E/G would probably
tip the scale enough for me to completely agree to ITR vs A.
>
> The other scenario is that I could go along with Austria at
> first, opening blatantly anti-Russian, probably Ank-Bla, Smy-Arm.
> Austria has speculated that you might be happy to remain neutral
> at first, though in truth I suspect he's urging you against me.
>
Well, I'm not going to even suggest that you open blatantly anti-Russian and
lose a potential ally. Do you really have that much faith in the Austrian
that he'll follow thru with his end of the bargain? If it works, you're in
like a cat on a rainy night, but if it fails, you can kiss your vgfp trophy
goodbye.
What is in common here though is that there must be A/R conflict. It's very
difficult for Austria and Russia to avoid the inevitable so we may just want
to let nature take her course and then strike at the appropriate time.
Starting in Gre/Tri and working northward into Ser/Rum/Sev would seem
logical. The goal would be an Austrian elimination and not a total Russian
elimination unless his presence wasn't needed in Scandanavia. The trick
comes in getting your armies to Prussia while my fleets reach the MAO. We
can cross that bridge later.
>
> France has implied that there may be an AR alliance brewing,
> perhaps due to untimely silence on both your part and mine.
> My impression was that he was fishing, but of course an AR
> alliance wouldn't be good for either of us.
>
An AR arrangement is fairly easy to spot. Galicia in Spring '01 will tell
us a lot. Let's see what happens there and then revisit the French hunch.
> and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
>
My apologies again for my delayed response and whatever inconvenience this
may have caused you.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> > Yes we have. The latest is the Key Lepanto variation
> > at his request.
>
> Really? My, that's convenient! 8-)
>
My jaw almost hit the floor when I read the message. I certainly am hoping
he'll follow thru. Even if he doesn't, I like the fact that he was even
willing to suggest the idea because that means he's developed a least a
little bit of trust in me already.
> but I was concerned about how EG would react
> to us showing Juggernaut in S1901M.
Not well I can assure you. Everybody out west is always on the lookout for
a Juggernaut. Even the slightest suspicion will make them react.
>
> Good. We just agreed to DMZ Gal, and
> have agreed to attack Turkey,
>
Sounds like the three of us are all on the same page. Now it's just a
matter of executing. You will be a key since Turkey will undoubtedly
bombard you to come to his defense. He won't like my opening in the least
and will likely see you as his only hope of survival. String him along if
you like. He should still have some use. What I'd like to see happen
though is that as Turkey is reduced to a couple of units that Austria
doesn't have more than 5 units. That means our attack on Austria probably
happens just about the same time we're supporting Austrian units into
Turkish territory.
>
> Well, France is a naturally strong Power,
> and was one of the first Powers taken in 'titleist',
> so that suggests that Prince Boar is a player to
> be respected, if not feared.
>
I've heard this same line as well from both EG but I'm not really buying the
argument. I've read the list of participants. Heck, even if you put the
highest ranked player in France, that still leaves several respectable
players scattered around the board. If you ask me, all players in this game
have deserved my respect and any one of us has the ability to take the
title.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Thanks for your reply. Good to hear from you.
> This is not surprising. The Archduke has proposed to me a joint attack
> against your fair nation, then I'd head west and he'd go against Russia.
> I'm sure he's in consultation with Russia proposing attacking you and the
> he'd attack me while Russia went towards Scandanavia. His hope is that
> he'll cause enough confusion amongst us that he'll have his choice of
> expansion paths. Can't say I wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
Indeed. Unfortunately too many different stories usually backfires in the
long run. Austria will have to choose sides sooner or later.
> Seriously, the Black Sea is a critical body of water for both Russia and
> Turkey and I can certainly understand why neither of you would want to
> relinquinsh control. Typically though, the Russian fleet is involved in
> acquiring Rumania in the fall so often times Turkey can sneak Ank into the
> Black Sea then.
That's my current plan.
> Any idea whether Germany is planning on bouncing Russia in Sweden?
Without
> a second build, Russia would be hard-pressed to build a second southern
> fleet to challenge your superiority in the Black Sea region.
The consensus seems to be that Germany will indeed open to Denmark, though
whether or not he will contest Sweden remains to be seen. I don't think
Germany wants trouble with Russia, per se, but he did express some interest
in joining an AT effort against the Bear. Austria has also promised to
support me into Rumania at the first chance, but I'm taking it with a huge
grain of salt so to speak.
> I just keep getting, "I'll move to the Channel if you agree to move to
> Piedmont". My gut tells me Ivy isn't sincere and would't move to the
> Channel even if I agreed. I could test him by agreeing but then I look
bad
> for agreeing to something and not following thru.
England says he's expecting conventional, neutral openings in the West.
This matches what I've heard from others as well. In fact, it's starting to
look like everyone on the board will open quite conservatively, myself
included.
> That's my take as well. I think France wants his Iberian builds without
> causing any trouble and then decide his course of action. He may very
well
> move my direction but I doubt it would take too much to convince EG to
> distract him were that the case. That does bring up a point though
> regarding any attack we may be making in the Balkans. I don't want EG
> rolling over France so I must be prepared to send a unit or two west to
help
> France if he so requests it. I'm not necessarily expecting that to
happen,
> I just wanted to make sure you understand that I will not sacrifice
> long-term goals for short-term gain.
Absolutely, of course. One must always be looking ahead, and short-term
tactics need to be driven by those long-range plans, not the other way
around.
> > If you agree, then I'd like some feedback on how best to proceed.
> > I see two scenarios that have some promise. One, we begin with an ITR
> > joint effort against Austria.
>
> This is obviously the easiest for me to agree to since I really can't
> participate in an AIT attack on Russia. But, back to my chess analogy, I
> don't want RT running mad either so the dissection of Austria would have
to
> provide me with a viable defensive position and a clear indication that a
> Juggernaut was not forming (Turkish army builds would be clear enough).
> Even Russia being sufficiently distracted in the north by E/G would
probably
> tip the scale enough for me to completely agree to ITR vs A.
Rumor has it that France has been trying to get Russia to open to the north.
Russia has expressed some concern about EG causing him problems in
Scandinavia and STP, so that may fit. As long as you and I remain on good
terms, I'm certainly not opposed to building an army this year. Such a
build would be sure to be unwelcome in both Austria and Russia, of course,
so I'm banking a lot on our developing relations. I might be able to sell
it to Austria as being anti-Russian.
> Well, I'm not going to even suggest that you open blatantly anti-Russian
and
> lose a potential ally. Do you really have that much faith in the Austrian
> that he'll follow thru with his end of the bargain? If it works, you're
in
> like a cat on a rainy night, but if it fails, you can kiss your vgfp
trophy
> goodbye.
Heh. I'm just looking to survive here, I don't have my eyes on any trophy.
My expectation is that it'll be difficult to end up the board leader, let
alone solo, in this game. Especially as Turkey. If I can survive to share
a draw, I'll consider it a feather in my cap.
In any case, I proposed to Austria that I would move to Arm if he attacked
Gal. He declined, citing some rumor that you were planning to attack
Trieste. He said his plan is to order Vie-Tri to counter such an attack.
> What is in common here though is that there must be A/R conflict. It's
very
> difficult for Austria and Russia to avoid the inevitable so we may just
want
> to let nature take her course and then strike at the appropriate time.
> Starting in Gre/Tri and working northward into Ser/Rum/Sev would seem
> logical. The goal would be an Austrian elimination and not a total
Russian
> elimination unless his presence wasn't needed in Scandanavia. The trick
> comes in getting your armies to Prussia while my fleets reach the MAO. We
> can cross that bridge later.
Indeed. Unfortunately it'll be difficult for me to ride the fence for long
if I'm building armies. But we'll be able to better guage the timing of
coordinated efforts once the game is actually under way.
> An AR arrangement is fairly easy to spot. Galicia in Spring '01 will tell
> us a lot. Let's see what happens there and then revisit the French hunch.
See above. I'm not expecting an Austrian move to Gal.
> My apologies again for my delayed response and whatever inconvenience this
> may have caused you.
No inconvenience at all. In any case it was good to hear from you, and I
look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>You can let your brother know that the move ven-pie in
>Spring 1901 has been removed from the board and is not
>an option.
The Dauphin is quite pleased. He even gave me a bonus.
I get to have an extra dessert tonight.
Let me see, will it be Claudia, Cloquette, Marguerite?
I mean whom will I share the dessert with, of course!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> > but I was concerned about how EG would react
> > to us showing Juggernaut in S1901M.
> Not well I can assure you
Yes, that was my thought as well, and since a western
reaction to RT falls hardest on R, I suspect that played a
role in Ali's desire to immediately announce it to the world.
> Sounds like the three of us are all on the same page. Now it's just a
> matter of executing. You will be a key since Turkey will undoubtedly
> bombard you to come to his defense. He won't like my opening
If Austria allows the Key, you might want to consider Ion-Aeg in
F1901. It would give one of us Bul in 1902.
> > Well, France is a naturally strong Power,
> > and was one of the first Powers taken in 'titleist',
> > so that suggests that Prince Boar is a player to
> > be respected, if not feared.
> I've heard this same line as well from both EG but I'm not really
> buying the argument. I've read the list of participants. Heck,
> even if you put the highest ranked player in France, that still
> leaves several respectable players scattered around the board.
> If you ask me, all players in this game have deserved my respect
> and any one of us has the ability to take the title.
Oh, to be sure. Given four Top-10 players, with the other three
in the top 100, Boar is not the ONLY player to worry about, but
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I suppose I should stop before I say something to break gunboat. 8-)
Prince Boar's press style and frequency suggest to me that he's
someone to watch closely, though.
Nick.
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Albania
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
England: Army Liverpool → Yorkshire
England: Fleet London → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Picardy
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Rome → Apulia
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Moscow → St Petersburg
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Gulf of Bothnia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Constantinople
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