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Message from Germany to Russia
Well my moves are in, BER - KIE, RUH S HOL. It would have been great if you
followed through last turn but with 3 builds you dont have nothing to worry
about. I could use RUH to help support BER - KIE but I think I do more harm
if I help support HOL. I need someone to solo in this game it may as well be
you ;-)
Keep me as a puppet and sparring partner ;-)
If I am out then so does everyone else have to be.
Message from Germany to France
I am sure you did everything possible to convince Ben that peace was in both
your interest.
You fleet build in MAR said enough. I was amazed to see him build in LVP and
even more amazed at his moves last fall where he attacked you. Russia will
walk all over him. My move to HOL was merely to cut support for support of
KIE. Russia was meant to support BER - KIE usuing BAL and move SWE - DEN and
SIL - BER.
He told me he was kicking himself for not doing so in hindsight.
I am up fronty when I say I will support HOL this fall. I am lost now
anyway. My advice to you for moves would be;
f mao - bre
f spa - por
f gol - spa
a bur s bel
a bel s hol
a ruh s hol
a ber - kie
This stops England from going anywhere quickly. At worst he takes HOL with
KIE supported by NTH & HEL but then I would enter KIE. If he tries any other
combination then all will bounce. Trust me on this one. I owe nothing to
Ben. My last press to you and him was a sincere effort to turn the game,
even with me out of it. he should have built in EDI and LON and trusted you
to move away as you did. Russia has him wrapped around his thumb. I am exit
this fall but I hate to see strategic bad decisions. I made loads this game
but you and england have a chance. I hope he hasnt blown it but I know he
has. He wont be able to move on Russia anymore and he seems bent on
attacking you. Russia gets three builds, he will build in STP. England is
lost. I predict a Russian solo. My move are in as mentioned. Good luck.
Message from Russia to Germany
At this point I don't know if I'm serious, but what would you think about
something like this:
Ber-Bal-Den
Hol-Kie (Mun S)
I have no idea what France is up to, but even if he taps Mun, there's still a
good chance that you'll end up in Kie and Den. The question I haven't looked
at myself is whether that's good position for going forward. What's your
take?
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
> Ber-Bal-Den
> Hol-Kie (Mun S)
I assume you mean ruh - kie.
> I have no idea what France is up to, but even if he taps Mun, there's
still a
good chance that you'll end up in Kie and Den. The question I haven't looked
at myself is whether that's good position for going forward. What's your
take?>
I am not sure BER - DEN would work. I think BER - KIE would. It all sounds
very fancy. Ben may use three units to take HOL but he only needs two. ENG
can cut BEL support whilst KIE and HEL take HOL. NTH could then cover DEN.
The NTH is not threatend so he has nothing to lose by mocing NTH to DEN,
there is only one unit (yours) on it. With a build he just builds a new
fleet. He then has TWO on BAL.
I believe BER - KIE supported by BAL and MUN has the best chance of working.
Even if England takes HOL (which he can only do from KIE to be sure then I
slip into KIE and you slip into BER. England gets no build. You have three.
I dont mind surviving as one unit, it will give me reason to diplome and
vent my thoughts.
As I said I prefer someone to solo than several to share a draw if I am not
in it. You can destroy me at your leasure.
I would like to see england denied a build. France wont PROD at MUN or RUH.
I have told him I will be supporting HOL. Anyway he needs BUR - PAR.
My moves are in, ber - kie ruh s hol. If BER - DEN had any chance then I
would have gone for it just for the show.
Tony
Message from Russia to Germany
You are probably right. I appreciate the analysis. Yes, I did mean Ruh-Kie. I
will order in accordance with what you've suggested. Agreed, I could just
take Ber, but I think you are correct, that it's better positionally to have
an extra friendly army there (and I do appreciate your advice, too).
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
>I could just take Ber, but I think you are correct, that it's better
positionally to have
an extra friendly army there (and I do appreciate your advice, too).<
Good to hear, where there is life there is hope.
Message from Russia to Germany
Here's another question for you:
What do you think about the idea of me NOT taking Ber? That is, Ruh S Hol,
Ber-Kie, and maybe Sil S Mun or somesuch. That leaves you with two armies.
I'd ask you to push west with them (which would probably mean eventually
giving up Kie in exchange for Hol/Bel or somesuch), but A Ruh is much more
advanced than A Ber is which is good for me. And for you it's keeping two
units instead of being reduced to one. In Spring we could go with something
like Mun S Ruh-Bur. The only question for me is how likely you think it is
that Ruh is going to be disbanded. If you've truly offered to support Hol for
Erik, I can see that he might not go that route, but I'd like your take on
how likely that is.
Let me know what you think; you seem to have a good feel for the situation
there.
Have a good weekend.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Well I explained to France why I cut support from HOL. I pointed out that it
wasnt anti-french. I explained that I thought that he and Ben were working
together and that he would support KIE. The moves obviously proved they
wernt working together.
I find it very unlikely that he will attack RUH. Ben is attacking him, even
if he doent believe that I will support him he surely will be hoping I do. I
just dont want Ben getting a build. This can be achievd in two way, I
support HOL (but he could still take HOL as BEL can be cut. Secondly I
ensure I take KIE, if Ben does get HOL then he loses KIE.
In other wors I could use RUH to support BER - KIE. This along with BAL
support will ensure I get KIE.
If you and Ben are on one line then you could convince him to go for HOL
using KIE and support from NTH and HEL.
This still allows me to take KIE and you could push BAL - DEN. But how did
he explain not accepting your support to KIE last turn? Let me know if I
have to support BER - KIE or help support HOL.
You not taking BER and leaving me with two units obviously has my
preference. My units could indeed be pushed forward and keep momentum going.
I can only once again wait and see. What do you think the chances are of Ben
ordering HEL s KIE, KIE s NTH - HOL?
Using BAL to support BER - KIE I believe gives us the best chance of
success.
Tony
Message from Russia to Germany
> I find it very unlikely that he will attack RUH.
I tend to agree, but wanted your opinion.
> Ben is attacking him, even
> if he doent believe that I will support him he surely will be hoping I do.
> I just dont want Ben getting a build.
Understood.
> This can be achievd in two way, I
> support HOL (but he could still take HOL as BEL can be cut. Secondly I
> ensure I take KIE, if Ben does get HOL then he loses KIE.
I think this will be the outcome regardless. Given his Spring moves, he kind
of has to trust me for Fall, doesn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he
requests Bal-Kie or Mun-Kie to try to hold Kie while gaining Hol.
The real question for us is whether it is better to have Bel/Hol both be
French, or be split F/E. If you are looking for me to do well, then I think
the latter is more important. It really depends on whether you want to punish
England or both of them.
> In other wors I could use RUH to support BER - KIE. This along with BAL
> support will ensure I get KIE.
This makes sense. Though I haven't heard from Erik yet, so can't comment on
what I'm hearing he'll do. But if we want Bel/Hol split, then obviuosly you
should not support Hol. We'll see.
> If you and Ben are on one line then you could convince him to go for HOL
> using KIE and support from NTH and HEL.
I already have suggested it. I just don't know if it's coming.
> This still allows me to take KIE and you could push BAL - DEN.
I thought about this. It's certainly safer than Ber-Bal-Den.
> But how did he explain not accepting your support to KIE last turn?
He didn't need to. I offered to support it because anything that got him out
of Den was a good thing. When the move went late he waffled (got very
uncertain) about what he was going to do, and I told him the support was
ordered and he could take it or not. Frankly, since I would have been happy
to see you take Kie, I didn't even ask why he chose that.
> Let me know if I have to support BER - KIE or help support HOL.
I'm leaning towards the former, but again, I want to know what you think is
better for us in Bel/Hol.
> You not taking BER and leaving me with two units obviously has my
> preference. My units could indeed be pushed forward and keep momentum
> going.
Not surprising! No promises at this point, but if I feel like I can leave you
Ber (meaning that I don't need the build myself) then I will most certainly
do it. I have no desire to see you lose units at this point.
> I can only once again wait and see. What do you think the chances are of
> Ben ordering HEL s KIE, KIE s NTH - HOL?
I would be stunned, especially because I told him right after the moves that
I expected you to move Ber-Kie again.
> Using BAL to support BER - KIE I believe gives us the best chance of
> success.
Probably. But I could also order Mun S Ber-Kie too. Isn't Ruh/Mun S Ber-Kie
pretty solid too? This of course assumes that Ben successfully takes Hol.
Last thing I want to do is retreat him to Bal! Ben goes down one, you would
stay even (Ber/Kie), and I'm in position to cut support for Hol in the
Spring, allowing Ruh-Hol with support.
Anyway, let me know what you think.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Hi Erik, yes I keep forgetting about MUN. It cant move so if it does support
ber - kie along with ruh support then that is enough. That still leaves you
free to push at DEN!
You are guranteed two builds no matter what (MUN/BUD) so I am hoping you
leave me BER.
Anyway my moves are BER - KIE, RUH S BER - KIE. If MUN supports the efoort
then all should go well.
It will be interesting to see if BAL - DEN works. I hope you dont turn
paranoid and think that I will go for MUN using both units. I gurantee you I
am not. Ben is the one to suffer, rather a solo than a draw without me.
To bad you didnt go with me last time as it would have been devestating,
lets make up for it this turn.
tony
Message from Russia to all
The holiday season is upon me in about half an hour when I will be leaving
for this year's family get togethers.
The conditions in the gathering place are so primitive that neither a TiVo
nor a network connection is available, so unless someone wants to call me on
the phone (and there is no answering machine there either!) I will not be
available for negotiations until I return late Sunday or early Monday.
Happy (early) holidays everyone!
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Germany
> It will be interesting to see if BAL - DEN works. I hope you dont turn
> paranoid and think that I will go for MUN using both units.
I won't. First off, if EFG team up against me, I'm gone. Second, if Sil does
not tap Ber (which is still my leaning) it will probably support Mun anyway.
Not attacking Ben was not because I was worried about you. It just didn't
make sense to get him angry (by supporting you) when he was moving away from
me anyway.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
>>Second, if Sil does not tap Ber (which is still my leaning) it will
probably support Mun anyway>>
Then have it support MUN, else you will end up in BE if I make it to KIE.
Message from France to Germany
Tony:
Obviously, I'd be very grateful for assistance into Munich, if that's how
you'd like to go out. I think I may be able to get England off-balance
enough to throw off his offensive, but my main concern is minimizing
Russian growth. I'd really rather not see him solo so quickly.
Will you support Bur - Mun?
Erik
Message from Germany to France
Hi Erik, well as I will be exiting then obviously I would prefer someone to
solo. It's better that 6 go dwon with me than that 3 or 4 share in a draw.
I believ Russia will solo. Ben should have moved north last year. Him
attacking you when he could have built a fleet in EDI and LON was his last
chance. You believed in the press I sent else you wouldnt have built fleet
MAR.
Thats why I am willing to support HOL to deny BEN a build. Sorry I cant
support you into MUN.
Message from Austria to all
Hi all,
I don't know for the rest of you, but I'm not going to be
available from the december 24 to sometime after
january first because of the holydays, so an extension of
the next dl to january 6 would be appreciated.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance,
Philippe
Austria: Fleet Albania SUPPORT Italian Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Austria: Army Trieste → Budapest (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Trieste → Budapest
England: Fleet English Channel → Belgium
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Holland
England: Fleet Irish Sea → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Kiel → Holland
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Belgium
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland (*cut, dislodged*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
France: Army Holland SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel (*void, destroyed*)
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Brest
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Western Mediterranean
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Berlin → Kiel
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Rome → Tuscany
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea → Denmark
Russia: Army Budapest HOLD
Russia: Army Munich SUPPORT German Army Berlin → Kiel (*cut*)
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Sevastopol → Ukraine
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Munich
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Greece → Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest
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