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Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Greetings again. I followed the Pitkisser list for awhile but realized PBEM is probably where I belong - I hope the convention went (is going? don't remember) well & I hope you win all the prizes.
I do not have a lot of experience with England & I hope you will give me some pointers about how you play the blue pieces.
Anyway we have Germany & France to discuss, and I imagine Russia too. So let's get a feel for the players & plan from there.
Ben
p.s. I promise hell or high water not to discuss the draw clock.
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
What is this, some kind of sick joke? Should I just hand Marseilles over
to you now and be done with it?
Seriously, dude, you finished me off nicely in sete -- just keep in mind
that I won't be making those mistakes twice. This is a comments game, now,
so I've got to play well to avenge my past failures.
Anyway, just wanted to drop a quick note before the Diplomacy kicks into
full gear. I would suggest a DMZ, but the last time I did that, it had
about as much authority as a deed for land on the surface of the moon.
When I have a better picture of our neighbors, though, I will certainly be
back with suggestions that are a bit more proactive. Hope you'll do the
same.
Cheers,
Erik
Message from Italy to France
Erik.....
> What is this, some kind of sick joke? Should I just hand Marseilles over
> to you now and be done with it?
No....that wont be neccesary....hopefully, ever.
> Seriously, dude, you finished me off nicely in sete -- just keep in mind
> that I won't be making those mistakes twice. This is a comments game, now,
> so I've got to play well to avenge my past failures.
And I am ready to work with you to do that.
> Anyway, just wanted to drop a quick note before the Diplomacy kicks into
> full gear. I would suggest a DMZ, but the last time I did that, it had
> about as much authority as a deed for land on the surface of the moon.
Cmon now....it worked for a little while
And it will work for the balance of the game this time...
> When I have a better picture of our neighbors, though, I will certainly be
> back with suggestions that are a bit more proactive. Hope you'll do the
> same.
Well....Tony Vernon is Germany. And he is one of the best players in the
world....as least as good as Tamas.....
Ben Harris isnt a bad player in England....I think you have issues.
I dont know any of the eastern players.....and as you know...I suck at
this game, so I am probably in a world of hurt.
Talk to you soon.
Andy
Message from Italy to England
Ben
How ya doing.
> Greetings again. I followed the Pitkisser list for awhile but realized
PBEM is probably where I belong - I hope the convention went (is going?
don't remember) well & I hope you win all the prizes.
>
Its next weekend and in full swing. Thank you.
> I do not have a lot of experience with England & I hope you will give
me some pointers about how you play the blue pieces.
Well....i have a couple of simple rules....
1. Always open to the Channel.
2. Dont ever give all of your neighbors a reason to attack you.
> Anyway we have Germany & France to discuss, and I imagine Russia too.
So let's get a feel for the players & plan from there.
France is a good player....
Germany is one of the best plyers in the world. Dont believe a word he
says.....he will cut your heart out as soon as talk to you. My suggestion
with him is to get the Russian on your side and kill him.
If I can help....let me know
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Thanks for the tips.
> Germany is one of the best plyers in the world. Dont believe a word he
> says.....he will cut your heart out as soon as talk to you. My suggestion
> with him is to get the Russian on your side and kill him.
> If I can help....let me know
Giving the same idea to Russia can't hurt. A great deal will depend on Austria, who appears to be no slouch if JDPR means anything. ;o)
Ben
Message from Italy to Austria
Good Afternoon.
I dont think we have ever had the pleasure of sharing a board before.
I am a firm believer in the idea that if Italy and Austria fight before
1904 and the Russian and Turk arent completely incompetant....we both die.
I suggest we find a way to help each other.
Have you heard from anyone else.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Good Afternoon Eric...
I hope that all is well.
You know .....IR is one of the strongest alliances on the board....
I am very intrested in working with you. Are we of a like mind here.
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Good Afternoon.
I have no interest in fighting with you. As long as I dont see a strong RT
coming at me.
I hope you would want to keep lines of communication open.
Let me know your thoughts.
Take care
Andy
Message from Italy to Italy
Well...this should be an intresting game....
Erik in France, was France to my Italy in the game SETE on usvg, and its
still going on....so check it out if you want to.
Tony Vernon and Philippe in Germany and Austria are ver good players, Eric
Goodman in Russia is also VERY solid.
I dont know the English or Turk ......
I just want to come out of the gate strong.
Andy
Message from Italy to Germany
Tony.....how are things.
What direction do you see things moving, and do you think we can work
together out of the gate....
let me know
Andy
Message to all
Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
ID Email Name JDPR Rating JDPR
Games JDPR Rank
1791 ericg (at) mac.com Eric Goodman 1349.00 5
288 8 0 8.00
What is Jason's JDPR? I couldnt find him.
This must be our Benjamin:
ID Email Name JDPR Rating JDPR Games JDPR Rank RR Games RR Resignations
RR Ratio
6887 benjamin.harris (at) mindspring.com Ben Harris 1012.00 4 3835 4 0
4.00
Message from Germany to Italy
Hi Andy, great to see a familiar name.
As for now I have only spoken to England, France and yourself.
Nothing much from England except his desire for Belgium. France wishes to
talk to his neighbours before putting any suggestions forward.
As for straight out of the gate....... A little protection is always helpful
and you never know when you may need it.
If you and Austria get off to a good start then any pressure on France is
welcome. I wont lie about that. Let me know how things go out east. Look
after yourself first. If you feel any jump start is worth serious
consideration then let me know. I will do the same. As for now I am doing
the usual rounds, will get back to you asap with any value adding
information.
Tony
Message from Germany to all
Greetings all, Just thought that I would let you know that I wish to solo
and that I hope to have a good time whilst doing so.
I will have to make Belgium my 18th SC as England has desires for it. It is
negotiable according to England but hey
if he wants it then I will take Beligium last. It wont matter then.
Anyone else have any wishes. If not then all just vote me the winner and we
can move on.
I am easy, if two of you have the same solo wish then hey lets compromise
;-)
May you all live for as long as you want and never want for as long as you
live.
Tony
p.s. Its bedtime here in holland (Ben its 00:03 a.m. now), will get back to
A,T, R tomorrow.
Message from Master to all
Players,
The game has now started, powers have been assigned and the opening
salvos have been fired. I think we've got a great group of players in
this game, so I'm sure it will be a great experience for all of you
and for our commentators.
One of our players will be gone for a week from the 10th to the 18th.
I'm hoping that we can complete our first year before that hiatus.
Just to let you know, right now we've got over twenty commentators. I
expect that a few more will trickle in over the next few days.
Also, each Spring, as early as I can, I'm going to broadcast the
following message. After the first few years, I might cut back to once
every second year. I just want to make sure no one forgets about this.
------------
Players,
Please keep in mind that if you'd like to share your plans, strategy
and whatnot with the commentators, you can do that by sending press to
yourself. That way the commentators will see your comments, but other
players will not. If you send "press to o", anyone can see your
comments by requesting a history of the game. If you send "press to
m", I will see your comments but the commentators will not.
You are not required to share information with the commentators, but
you are encouraged to do so.
Greg, GM
C2
-------------
I'd like to wish everyone the best of luck in the game - have a great
game everyone.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Russia to all
>[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
>Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
huh?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Italy
>Good Afternoon Eric...
And to you. Amusing that after talking with you about DipCon, we end
up in a game together.
>I hope that all is well.
Other than the Giants losing last night, I'm not complaining.
>You know .....IR is one of the strongest alliances on the board....
>
>I am very intrested in working with you. Are we of a like mind here.
This is a trick question, right? :) Absolutely, I'm interested.
Obviously for the short term I'm looking at getting Rum and jockeying
for position with AT, but RI cooperation can make that jockeying
easier for both of us.
For the moment I have no clear suggestions or requests, but I'll be in contact.
--- Tzarface
Message from England to all
> This must be our Benjamin:
> Ben Harris 1012.00
I just want to point out, that my JDPR is within several percentage points
of Andy's, at 1085. Therefore I am pretty much as good as Andy Bartalone,
who is well known in some circles as a player who uses ellipses very
frequently. . .
Also I want to point out that Greg's JDPR of 1431 is highest of all of us,
and I think we should gang up on him and fix the game settings so we all
solo.
Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.
Thank you.
Ben
Message to all
> >[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
> >Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
>
> Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
> stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
> huh?
No.....Eric Hunter played Russia in the first game...not Eric Goodman...
But Eric is every bit as good as his namesake.
Message from Italy to all
>
> > This must be our Benjamin:
> > Ben Harris 1012.00
>
> I just want to point out, that my JDPR is within several percentage points
> of Andy's, at 1085. Therefore I am pretty much as good as Andy Bartalone,
> who is well known in some circles as a player who uses ellipses very
> frequently. . .
Be careful what you say.....everyone here knows that I suck at this game.
> Also I want to point out that Greg's JDPR of 1431 is highest of all of us,
> and I think we should gang up on him and fix the game settings so we all
> solo.
Ok....I dont want to be part of that.....see Greg...I am not a
mutineer...:-)
> Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
> case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.
That would be Lambic.
Message from Italy to England and France
Tony is already asking me to attack you both, so I suggest working
together.
Seriously.
Message from Italy to England
And if you are working with Erik in France....dont go to the Channel.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
>
> And to you. Amusing that after talking with you about DipCon, we end
> up in a game together.
I thought so.
> >I hope that all is well.
>
> Other than the Giants losing last night, I'm not complaining.
Thats good.
> >You know .....IR is one of the strongest alliances on the board....
> >
> >I am very intrested in working with you. Are we of a like mind here.
>
> This is a trick question, right? :) Absolutely, I'm interested.
Excellent.
> Obviously for the short term I'm looking at getting Rum and jockeying
> for position with AT, but RI cooperation can make that jockeying
> easier for both of us.
I think its easier on both of us if we convince T to help us with A, and
then wipe the floor with him, but that would mean convincing EF to keep
Tony busy while this goes on, which I have faith in as long as I am not
attacking France. I can help push those buttons.....have you heard from
England.
take care
Andy
Message from Turkey to all
Good to hear from everyone. I'm afraid I don't have a JDPR, although
it's not for lack of trying! All my games have completed since Jan 1 of
this year.
Looking forward to it....
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Good to hear from you.
I'm glad to hear you're looking for peace. Obviously, if we're not going
to fight, that leaves you with France or Austria to direct your
attention against. If you're thinking Austria, I'm sure we can work
together. If it's France, we should make sure to give each other room to
work.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Good to hear from you.
Thank you.
> I'm glad to hear you're looking for peace. Obviously, if we're not going
> to fight, that leaves you with France or Austria to direct your
> attention against. If you're thinking Austria, I'm sure we can work
> together. If it's France, we should make sure to give each other room to
> work.
Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
think we can get the Russian on board....
Message from Turkey to Italy
> Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
> think we can get the Russian on board....
I think that might work well. I've already heard from thr Russian, so I
should be able to talk to him. I assume after we did that, it would free
you to focus on the west?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> > Well...would you be inclined to take apart the Balkans with me. Do you
> > think we can get the Russian on board....
>
> I think that might work well. I've already heard from thr Russian, so I
> should be able to talk to him. I assume after we did that, it would free
> you to focus on the west?
And you to focus on Russia.
Message from Russia to all
> > >[Grey] Broadcast message in 'c2':
> > >Is this our Eric? playing Russia?
> >
> > Da, dat's me, Tovarich. But watz wit' all the hush-hush secret
> > stuff? You messin' wit' me? Why doncha come out where's I can see ya,
> > huh?
>
>No.....Eric Hunter played Russia in the first game...not Eric Goodman...
>
>But Eric is every bit as good as his namesake.
Lemme 'splain, 'cuz youse havin some trouble gettin' dem fax straight, see.
#1- I'm Eric. That other Eric, I'm his namesake. Just 'cuz he's been dippin
longer dan me an doin bedder dan me don't make him da original guy.
#2- Da first inkwyry was askin' if da' guy playin' Russia (dat's me,
comrade) is da same guy whatz got da ID dat he showed in da broadcast.
Since I'z da guy what used ta have da "@mac.com" moniker, he was inkwyrin'
about me, not dat udder Eric guy.
#3- Since I'z da one what said I'z da' guy what da udder guy was askin'
about, whatcha' doin' contradiktin' me in fronna' my whole family fer?
Alla dis disrepectin, an ya ain't even got da constatushun ta come out an
talk ta me face ta face. Sheesh! Watz da world comin' to, anyway?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Italy
>I think its easier on both of us if we convince T to help us with A, and
>then wipe the floor with him, but that would mean convincing EF to keep
>Tony busy while this goes on, which I have faith in as long as I am not
>attacking France. I can help push those buttons.....have you heard from
>England.
Yes, I've heard from him. So far nothing more than general pleasantries,
but it appears there's potential for cooperation there.
Out of curiosity, do you think ITR vs. A makes more sense from a tactical
point of view, or is it something about Phillipe specifically?
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
To AIG, a toast.....may our cooporation blossom. Together we form a strong centre with enough expansion possibilities without antagonising each other. Our backs are covered. Let us erect a shrine in TYR and may it never come crumbling down.
Message from Germany to all
> Finally I want Tony to know that Belgium is his, if he will but send me a
case of that weird fruit flavored beer they have there.<
Ah, you mean a case of the "forbidden drink", consider it done. Thank you for giving me BEL as my 18th center.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Hi again, I have spoken to all powers now and have received input back from them. Going by the first comment game though the spring moves were a surprise to most. I wonder if that will be the case in this game.
How are you two getting on? do you need any specific feedback from my round of talks?
For now I am sticking to my GIA as the best line of defence, we can watch each others back.
Message from Italy to Russia
> Out of curiosity, do you think ITR vs. A makes more sense from a tactical
> point of view, or is it something about Phillipe specifically?
I have never shared a board with Phillipe, I just know him by reputation
and the Turk is a newbie....I think we can get his help with Phillipe and
then get rid of him. Easiest path to success.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> To AIG, a toast.....may our cooporation blossom. Together we form a
strong centre with enough expansion possibilities without antagonising
each other. Our backs are covered. Let us erect a shrine in TYR and may
it never come crumbling down.
>
An excellent sentiment. I agree whole-heartedly.
Message from Italy to Germany
> Message from tvernon@chello.nl as Germany to Austria and Italy in 'c2':
>
> Hi again, I have spoken to all powers now and have received input back
from them. Going by the first comment game though the spring moves were
a surprise to most. I wonder if that will be the case in this game.
I have sent press to everyone on the board, the only person I havent heard
a word from is Austria.
How are you two getting on? do you need any specific feedback from my
round of talks?
I dont know, I havent heard a word from him, but i know RT and F have.
> For now I am sticking to my GIA as the best line of defence, we can
watch each others back.
>
sounds like a great plan...assuming the Austrian actually talks to me.
Andy
Message from Germany to Italy
I just received a message from Austria. He wanted a commitment of kie - den.
He also stated that I hadnt made any concrete suggestions. I thought I did with TYR and an IAG alliance for the spring moves. He is obviously talking to england as I have spoken openly with Russia regarding a bounce in sweden. Only england could therefor be directly concerned as to where my fleet is going, maybe france to a lesser extent to help along his talks with england. This can only lead me to the conclusion that FA are close. With a friendly FE and FA then you sound like a target for FA. Strange Austria hasnt spoken to you. Turkey mentioned that he is not sold on a full RT alliance just yet. This may point to an RA alliance or RT pretending not to get along. Just keep tieing all lose ends of information (and disinformation) together. Lets keep other in the picture.
Tony
Message from Italy to Germany
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message from tvernon@chello.nl as Germany to Italy in 'c2':
>
> I just received a message from Austria. He wanted a commitment of kie - den.
> He also stated that I hadnt made any concrete suggestions. I thought I
did with TYR and an IAG alliance for the spring moves.
Those are fairly concrete suggestions.
He is obviously
talking to england as I have spoken openly with Russia regarding a
bounce in sweden. Only england could therefor be directly concerned as
to where my fleet is going, maybe france to a lesser extent to help
along his talks with england. This can only lead me to the conclusion
that FA are close. With a friendly FE and FA then you sound like a
target for FA.
Or he has a concern with Russia and wants to make sure if he is giving him
RUM that he wont be getting SWE as wll.
Strange Austria hasnt spoken to you.
I think so too.
Turkey mentioned
that he is not sold on a full RT alliance just yet. This may point to an
RA alliance or RT pretending not to get along. Just keep tieing all lose
ends of information (and disinformation) together. Lets keep other in
the picture.
Absolutely
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
Hi Andy,
Beside France, everyone has written to me allready and I
really need to get on with; but first thing first, congratulation
for being part of the final draw of the previous comments
games (haven't had the time to read about how you have
done it yet, but I will surely do so at the first opportunity)!
Now, it's too early for me to make any long term plans,
but I'm one of those who believe that long lasting AI
alliance are possible. So while I agree that peace in the
short term is a must for both of us, I also think that it's
quite manageable in the long term provided we take the
necessary steps to prevent stabs.
That being said, I do have to be warry of the quick
departure we sometime see Austria suffer from. My
favourite way of taking care of that is to send my fleet
to Ven. Of course, any claim I might make on Greece
won't be as strong as if I had moved my fleet to Alb;
but I prefer to make sure we will both concentrate
exclusively on purely constructive plan.
Now, let us see how we can best collaborate. Personaly,
I'm partial to the Lepanto, with Rom going to Ven, as
Turkey is a problem that need to be dealt with early or
tolerated in the long term.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> > To AIG, a toast.....may our cooporation blossom. Together we form a
> strong centre with enough expansion possibilities without antagonising
> each other. Our backs are covered. Let us erect a shrine in TYR and may
> it never come crumbling down.
> >
>
> An excellent sentiment. I agree whole-heartedly.
>
>
Then the construction of that shrine shall be initiated immediately
as I also agree. May no army ever violate the sanctity of that
sacred place!
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> And if you are working with Erik in France....dont go to the Channel.
I was going to ask you about that. Seemed tough to reconcile everything I
was hearing.
It looks like you wrote Erik already about Germany, which will help. I
imagine you wrote Eric, too, - why wouldn't you - but it will help. Curious
to know what you hear from Austria, who still hasn't written me. I'm
guessing he's the source of the original grey broadcast. I saw he's had one
solo & it was with Austria; it may have been a newbie game.
I'm getting a sense Eric will open south - what else would he tell me - but
I imagine he'd make a good partner for you.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
> Tony is already asking me to attack you both, so I suggest working
> together.
Based on what I hear from him - I don't doubt it. Thanks for the tip.
Ben
Message from Italy to Austria
Hi Philippe,
> Beside France, everyone has written to me allready and I
> really need to get on with; but first thing first, congratulation
> for being part of the final draw of the previous comments
> games (haven't had the time to read about how you have
> done it yet, but I will surely do so at the first opportunity)!
Thank you. I came on as a replacement player in Austria.
> Now, it's too early for me to make any long term plans,
> but I'm one of those who believe that long lasting AI
> alliance are possible.
As am I.
So while I agree that peace in the
> short term is a must for both of us, I also think that it's
> quite manageable in the long term provided we take the
> necessary steps to prevent stabs.
I agree.
> That being said, I do have to be warry of the quick
> departure we sometime see Austria suffer from.
I would agree with that.
My
> favourite way of taking care of that is to send my fleet
> to Ven.
That is a good way to do it, but fairly counter-productive if we are going
to work on a central powers alliance.
Of course, any claim I might make on Greece
> won't be as strong as if I had moved my fleet to Alb;
> but I prefer to make sure we will both concentrate
> exclusively on purely constructive plan.
Assuming we are going with the Central powers ...its unneccesary.
> Now, let us see how we can best collaborate. Personaly,
> I'm partial to the Lepanto,
Would you be willing to do a Key. The Turk is very inexperienced and would
likely work like a charm.
> Turkey is a problem that need to be dealt with early or
> tolerated in the long term.
Agreed.
Message from Italy to England
So....Ben
On a completely different note.... Why havent you signed up for DipCon
yet....you live in Maryland, its in DC and next weekend.
Face to Face can only make your online game better.
Andy
Its a flaming baton
Thats ready to twirl
Its George Bush on acid
Singing the Duke of Earl
Gonna be a new world
-Mojo Nixon
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> So....Ben
>
> On a completely different note.... Why havent you signed up for DipCon
> yet....you live in Maryland, its in DC and next weekend.
Ooh, a hard sell, in front of a crowd, too.
> Face to Face can only make your online game better.
Andy I would love to, but I can't be disappearing for large chunks of time
like that with two small kids roaming the house. I have no doubt I'd get
clubbed like a baby seal (at the convention, not at home by the children),
but I still think it would be fun. I will get vicarious pleasure out of you
winning all the prizes, though.
:-)
I may be in D.C. during the workday in a few weeks - stress the word *may* -
& would look you up if that's ok. Probably should continue this off-line,
though.
Ben
Message from Austria to Italy
> That is a good way to do it, but fairly counter-productive if we are going
> to work on a central powers alliance.
With Rom-Ven, we only lose one move and my fleet is
free to go to Alb in the fall, no big delay here.
> Assuming we are going with the Central powers ...its unneccesary.
It is, if everyone is on the same page; but if you aren't
there yet, expecting you to ask for more time while you
contemplate invading my country wouldn't be very
realistic to say the least.
> Would you be willing to do a Key. The Turk is very inexperienced and would
> likely work like a charm.
The Key Lepanto is something I really got to try some
day, as Italy; but I have yet to find an Austria willing to
go for it. Also, this being a press game with lots of time
to review options and drop hints to other players, I
would expect someone to point him to the right article
soon enough. FTF really seem to be the place to try
this kind of tactic.
Now, I don't want to give you the impression of being
inflexible, but Tri-Ven isn't something I'm willing to
negociate because survival is my first priority at the
start of the game as Austria. I won't have as strong a
start as I could have by taking more risk, but that's ok.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> > That is a good way to do it, but fairly counter-productive if we are going
> > to work on a central powers alliance.
>
> With Rom-Ven, we only lose one move and my fleet is
> free to go to Alb in the fall, no big delay here.
Its the difference between building 1 and 2 in W01', that sounds fairly
major to me.
> > Assuming we are going with the Central powers ...its unneccesary.
>
> It is, if everyone is on the same page; but if you aren't
> there yet, expecting you to ask for more time while you
> contemplate invading my country wouldn't be very
> realistic to say the least.
I am completely with the idea, but limiting my moves *just because* doesnt
sit very well with me.
You have two other fronts to deal with, why do you want to be so paranoid
on my front.
> > Would you be willing to do a Key. The Turk is very inexperienced and would
> > likely work like a charm.
>
> The Key Lepanto is something I really got to try some
> day, as Italy; but I have yet to find an Austria willing to
> go for it. Also, this being a press game with lots of time
> to review options and drop hints to other players, I
> would expect someone to point him to the right article
> soon enough. FTF really seem to be the place to try
> this kind of tactic.
Ive done it successfully as both powers both online and ftf.
> Now, I don't want to give you the impression of being
> inflexible, but Tri-Ven isn't something I'm willing to
> negociate because survival is my first priority at the
> start of the game as Austria. I won't have as strong a
> start as I could have by taking more risk, but that's ok.
Well...you are strongly re-enforcing the impression that you do not
wish to.
You are holding 2 of my units hostage and saying ...you will do this MY
way....and that is not the way to have an healthy relationship.
Andy
Message from Italy to Germany
Tony.....
Philippe is being less than cooperative or helpful here.
Its a flaming baton
Thats ready to twirl
Its George Bush on acid
Singing the Duke of Earl
Gonna be a new world
-Mojo Nixon
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
Philippe seems to be scared to death of me, please cut his heart out.
Message from Russia to Italy
That was my guess, having heard Phillipe's name before and seeming to
recollect that he's a good player. Sounds good to me. For now I won't be
doing anything unusual, and I doubt there's much move-wise you need to do
either, so we can just spend some time trying to set up the right
circumstances north and south for RI to work. I've heard from GA and T now,
and it seems very doable. Of course, it always seems easy before anyone has
actually moved....
Keep in touch and I'll do the same.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
I missed part of the conversation or am having trouble diluting who said
what.
Experience tells me that AI are made for each other.
The two of you state that you are on the same page as I am when it comes to
a central alliance.
What moves have been suggested?
The Turk has mentioned the KEY to me, he is aware of it. He also said that
he and Russia are not yet fully alligned.
I suggest Austria sort out a DMZ in GAL and offter an offensive against
Turkey to Russia. I am pushing the Russian for a northern opening. He wont
be able to go for GAL and a northern opening. He started off stating an
offensive in the south. This is bad news for me and Austria. By south he
could mean RT or RA. If its RA then no problem there for Austria.
If we combine it all then its also in Austria interest to have the Russian
open to the north. The DMZ in GAL plays an important part. WAR - UKR in an
RA alliance allows the GIA to get off to a good start. I can concentrate
west with Italy and the pair of you can concentrate east. It also opens up
the possibility of AG moving North East when the time arrives to do so.
I certainly dont see Italy invading Austria, this usually ends in dissatser
for Italy and Austria usually does a U-turn and ensures that both powers are
removed. Let me know if I can be of any help in move negotiations. From the
press I just received I cant make out what was said before it regarding
moves.
If neither of you have concrete plans with any other neighbour then now is
the time to work on an AI plan based on trust.
OK, its diplomacy but dont let paranoia set in in the spring of 1901. If all
goes foul use revenge and get even. The surrounding neighbours will be more
than willing to pounce. Lets set the GIA foundation in solid cement from the
word go. The sping of 1901 is usually a dice game anyway. All of us will be
tempted by all offers made but if we stick to sorting this out during the
coming days then I am sure we will succeed.
Message from Germany to Italy
> Philippe is being less than cooperative or helpful here.>
Its something we have to work on. At least we are trying to iron out the
differences. If we keep talking then the trust will slowly come. I have
mailed you both in an attempt to get us off the mark. Lets see how it
develops. Once we see a press from Austria to the three of us then we know
we are getting somewhere.
No news elsewhere as yet, England came back with nothing. I havent heared
from France, gut feeling at this moment is EF. But there again maybe France
hasnt come to any agreement with England yet. I prefer to focus on a
possibility. As long as GIA work on the central alliance it is worthwhile.
If he doesnt change his attitude towards the alliance then we have to look
elsewhere. Any interesting developments?
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
(Just read Tony's reply as I was ready to send this. Seem my
style of play for Austria, is too conservative but will it be that
much of a problem? I assure you that my paranoia is very
limited and I'm not about to spend the rest of the game sitting
over my homeland to protect all my precious sc ;-) I would
normally agree with the revenge argument, but I don't think
Austria really has the time to get his revenge if he's stab right
away.)
Andy (with copy to Tony),
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but it's not limited to your front.
I have also asked Tony about bouncing Russia in Sweden if
he try to enter Galicia. I assure you that it has nothing to do
with you or anyone else. Without some tactical play, I don't
think Austria can ever prevent his quick elimination. You
may have all the right feeling and be sure of your diplomacy,
but a concerted attack by Italy & Russia will show you the
door before you can do anything about it, the perfect stab.
I may be wrong and will learn to change my mind about this
in time; but for the moment, this is how I feel. Of course, this
limit my diplomacy and prevent me from being as flexible as
you might want; but this is a short term occurence that does
not limit you that much.
The sending of my fleet to Venice doesn't preclude you from
attacking France or Turkey. A move to Pie is rarely followed
by a second when the first one succeed and it's not possible
to convoy two armies in 1901 with only one fleet. Whatever
is done, one italian armies always remain around Venice at the
end of 1901, unless it is roaming in Austria with or without
his permission.
My hope is that you will accept to open with a Lepanto, but
I don't expect you to do so simply because I'm suggesting it.
If an invasion of France is more appealing to you then moving
against Turkey, then I will have to see how I can change that
and it will be my loss if I can't.
Philippe.
P.-S. Regarding the lost of one build, I would point out that
with Turkey as a target, there ain't much place to move to for
armies going south and a delay of one move would still allow
my fleet to be in position to support Ion-Aeg from Greece in
the fall.
Message from Germany to Austria, Italy, and Russia
Hi guys, seperately we speak of having interest in a DMZ in GAL, TYR, SIL,
BOH, PRU. I feel we need reassuring that this is the case. As we are working
on plans for all 4 of us then maybe all of us should agree that if one of us
doesnt stick to a DMZ (GAL/SIL/PRU/BOH/TYR) then the remaining powers will
come to each others aid.
Its war and there are seven powers, we need to start hammering out a code of
conduct to ensure future colaboration.
We need to knock the number of powers down asap and ensure we have a broad
alliance to do so. So far GIA have been trying to coordinate plans. So has
Austria and Russia and Germany and Russia. With Russia on board then we can
at least build on a 4 some to start off with.
This leaves EFT as the targets. Something which should suit all of us as
they are in remote corners in relation to the 4 of us. With 3 of us pounding
Turkey, two of us pounding England, and two of us pounding France then we
run little risk.
A well coordinated 4 way alliance right now would minimize our risks. To
further enforce our strategy Russia and Germany need to make concrete plans
in the north. As does Germany Italy in the west. The three of you can easily
coordinate against biddy widdy Turkey in the corner.
Even the intention to work together and sticking to open communication is a
big step forward. Overcome paranoia and lets get this spring 1901 move off
to a good start for the 4 of us. Let me know guys. Press all 4 of us. The
more we talk openly the mopre we coordinate and can help each other overcome
initial reservations.
Tony
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> What moves have been suggested?
>
Philippe is insisting on moving TRI - VEN in S01'
This leaves me in a spot.
It pins down one or both of my armies for the entire first year of the
game.
He is also insisting that I Lepanto.....and using the logic that a Key
would be leaked to the Turk regardless.....
If your concern is that the Key will be leaked, the other powers will see
a Lepanto on the horizon and make plans to defend it.
There are meta-gaming issues with attacking France.
I am going to leave Venice in place for the whole year, that way I can
actually do something with my other army, or I can just attack Trieste in
defense and turn this into a much bigger mess than it needs to be.
Or maybe I am over-reacting....or maybe I just dont like to be told what
to do......or maybe I dont like to be told that my *ally* is attacking me
and its defensive and for my own good.
We are either allies or we arent, and if we are, then there is ABSOLUTELY
ZERO reason for the move, and if we arent then I just want to know ahead
of time.
Message from Italy to Germany
> > Philippe is being less than cooperative or helpful here.>
>
> Its something we have to work on. At least we are trying to iron out the
> differences. If we keep talking then the trust will slowly come. I have
> mailed you both in an attempt to get us off the mark. Lets see how it
> develops. Once we see a press from Austria to the three of us then we know
> we are getting somewhere.
I spelled out why I was annoyed, and was probably over-reacting but
if this is going to work, I need him to know how I feel.
> No news elsewhere as yet, England came back with nothing. I havent heared
> from France, gut feeling at this moment is EF. But there again maybe France
> hasnt come to any agreement with England yet. I prefer to focus on a
> possibility. As long as GIA work on the central alliance it is worthwhile.
I havent heard much from either of them.
> If he doesnt change his attitude towards the alliance then we have to look
> elsewhere. Any interesting developments?
France isnt talking, but that isnt a surprise.
Turkey is damn quiet
I will be much softer in my next press to the two of you.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Remember that GIA are the heart of the central alliance. Russia joining is
is purely cosmetic but does aid our cause.
If he remianed part of the central alliance then Austria would have nowhere
to go once Turkey falls.
We just need Russia to stick with Austria for the first year. He will no
doubt spot the flaw in the 4 way but we can rest assure him that there is
growth in scandinavia and england. We will just be expanding the central
powers borders when the time arrives.
Philippe, I understand your feeling but if Austria is ment to fall then it
will be at the hands of RIT. They usually slice you up. An italian push into
Austria (ven - tri, rom - ven) leaves plenty of space for retaliation. You
would still have 3 units if you bounce yourseff in GAL (vie & bud) to GAL
and move TRI - ALB. This leaves you 3 against his two. Russia would pick up
any advantage and Italy would be left without a build if he had to use ION
to cut support from ALB.
Its just to messy even with Russias help. I dont want to get into scenarios.
I am looking for a common trust amongst two or three powers (prefably 4) to
ensure a quick start. You havent expressed fears towards me and I would push
for TYR if Italy attacks you.
If you invite him in then thats another matter of course.
Moves wise we can always work out any deep concerns. If worst comes to the
worst just have ven hold and move nap - ion and rom - apu. I would attack
any austrian unit in TYR, I dont mind VEN not moving on PIE if it sorts out
the AI situation. My main aim is the basis for cooporation and the central
power alliance. If we have to wait till fall then so be it.
Lets see how the GAIR develops as well. Maybe more communication will ease
initial concerns.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> Maybe I'm being paranoid, but it's not limited to your front.
> I have also asked Tony about bouncing Russia in Sweden if
> he try to enter Galicia. I assure you that it has nothing to do
> with you or anyone else. Without some tactical play, I don't
> think Austria can ever prevent his quick elimination. You
> may have all the right feeling and be sure of your diplomacy,
> but a concerted attack by Italy & Russia will show you the
> door before you can do anything about it, the perfect stab.
You usually have to have 3 on board to eliminate Austria in the way you
describe.
>
> I may be wrong and will learn to change my mind about this
> in time; but for the moment, this is how I feel. Of course, this
> limit my diplomacy and prevent me from being as flexible as
> you might want; but this is a short term occurence that does
> not limit you that much.
I disagree....but will work with you on it.
> The sending of my fleet to Venice doesn't preclude you from
> attacking France or Turkey.
How so?
If I want to move to Piedmont, I cant, without leaving my armies in Rome
and Piedmont.
A move to Pie is rarely followed
> by a second when the first one succeed and it's not possible
> to convoy two armies in 1901 with only one fleet. Whatever
> is done, one italian armies always remain around Venice at the
> end of 1901, unless it is roaming in Austria with or without
> his permission.
No....I could be in an Alpine Chicken.
> My hope is that you will accept to open with a Lepanto, but
> I don't expect you to do so simply because I'm suggesting it.
> If an invasion of France is more appealing to you then moving
> against Turkey, then I will have to see how I can change that
> and it will be my loss if I can't.
I will do the lepanto....I dont particurally like it, but I will do it.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
It appears that the Austrian might be going full bore defensive on the
first turn.
Bouncing in GAL and attacking Venice.....if I can get this confirmed...
I have a plan....it involves unwanted supports and Italian armies in
the lower balkans....
How are your talks with the Turk going?
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> Remember that GIA are the heart of the central alliance. Russia joining is
> is purely cosmetic but does aid our cause.
Correct.
> If he remianed part of the central alliance then Austria would have nowhere
> to go once Turkey falls.
Correct.
> We just need Russia to stick with Austria for the first year. He will no
> doubt spot the flaw in the 4 way but we can rest assure him that there is
> growth in scandinavia and england. We will just be expanding the central
> powers borders when the time arrives.
That works.
> Philippe, I understand your feeling but if Austria is ment to fall then it
> will be at the hands of RIT. They usually slice you up. An italian push into
> Austria (ven - tri, rom - ven) leaves plenty of space for retaliation.
Its really easy to kick me out....and we both die.
You
> would still have 3 units if you bounce yourseff in GAL (vie & bud) to GAL
> and move TRI - ALB. This leaves you 3 against his two. Russia would pick up
> any advantage and Italy would be left without a build if he had to use ION
> to cut support from ALB.
Well....it you are going to relagate yourself to one build anyway....do
the full hedgehog....
Tri - Ven
Vie and Bud bounce in Galacia, you still get Serbia in the fall
Message from France to Italy
Thanks for the heads up, Andy. What's up with you and Tony? Do you have
some kind of history together?
I hear you're making friends in the east. I hope this doesn't mean that
you'll be making any non-friendly visits to Marseilles any time soon. I'd
hate to spend the first few years hanging around down there just to cover
my butt. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your plans and relieve some
nagging paranoia, all assurances otherwise aside. Austria seems to think
you're pretty friendly, for what that's worth, but I haven't heard the
same from Turkey.
If you're *really* worried about Tony, I'd be willing to consider trying
the same tactic we tried last game, but without me going wishy-washy and
doubling back on England this time. I think Ben might be on board for that
sort of thing.
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> Thanks for the heads up, Andy. What's up with you and Tony? Do you have
> some kind of history together?
No....he is just a VERY good player.
> I hear you're making friends in the east. I hope this doesn't mean that
> you'll be making any non-friendly visits to Marseilles any time soon. I'd
> hate to spend the first few years hanging around down there just to cover
> my butt. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your plans and relieve some
> nagging paranoia, all assurances otherwise aside. Austria seems to think
> you're pretty friendly, for what that's worth, but I haven't heard the
> same from Turkey.
I assure you that no unauthorized visits to the south of France are
scheduled.
> If you're *really* worried about Tony, I'd be willing to consider trying
> the same tactic we tried last game, but without me going wishy-washy and
> doubling back on England this time. I think Ben might be on board for that
> sort of thing.
I need ot worry about a couple of other things, Tony is just a good enough
player that I had to make you well aware of it...and you and Ben should be
ok until I get this stuff sorted out.
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
(I just read the follow up on this crisis and I wish to thank
Andy for agreeing to the Lepanto, but I don't want him to
feel compel to. I assure you that I'm willing to discuss the
problem created by Tri-Ven and see what can be done
about it. As for the Alpine Chicken being a possibility that
is blocked by Tri-Ven, I agree; but having used it to hide
an attack on Austria in the past, I won't pretend to be sorry
to see it blocked.)
The only thing I'm insisting on is Tri-Ven and it is a defensive
move done for my own peace of mind with no accusation of
any actual intent on Andy's part. If you think this is an attack,
explain to me what it is achieving offensive wise?
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
OK, we seem to be getting somewhere. If TRI - VEN is a definite then at
least it holds no surprises.
Can we work from here?
rom - ven, tri - ven bounce
nap - ion or tys (convoy nap to tun)
ven - pie
or
ven hold
rom - apu
nap - ion
Any move will do as long as you two are in agreement. Its not the basis for
a trustworthy start but Italy cant ignore the tri - ven move.
Are we going to continue down this avenue or are all bets off between ai?
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> Can we work from here?
yes...
>
> Any move will do as long as you two are in agreement. Its not the basis for
> a trustworthy start but Italy cant ignore the tri - ven move.
And since the Alpine Chicken is always the subterfuge to attack Austria
with, I wont do that either.
> Are we going to continue down this avenue or are all bets off between ai?
I am doing a plain, boring lepanto.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> I am doing a plain, boring lepanto.
Do you mean:
Sprin -Rom-Ven (bounce), Ven-Apu & Nap-Ion
Fall -Rom-Ven (succeed), Apu-Ion-Tun & Ion c Apu-Tun
or
Spring -Ven hold or Ven-Tri, Rom-Apu & Nap-Ion
Fal l-Ven hold or Ven-Tri, Apu-ion-Tun & Ion c Apu-tun
I'm ok with both and will go with Andy's choice. With the
first, I'm free to send my fleet to Alb in the fall. With the
second, for what it's worth, we can simulate a conflict.
Philippe.
P.-S. Any news from Russia?
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
this isnt helping the whole *trust* thing at all.
>
> Spring -Ven hold or Ven-Tri, Rom-Apu & Nap-Ion
> Fal l-Ven hold or Ven-Tri, Apu-ion-Tun & Ion c Apu-tun
I will be holding unless I see something in Tyrolia.
>
> I'm ok with both and will go with Andy's choice. With the
> first, I'm free to send my fleet to Alb in the fall. With the
> second, for what it's worth, we can simulate a conflict.
And I reserve the right to just take Tunis with the fleet if I dont like
what I see.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> I will be holding unless I see something in Tyrolia.
> And I reserve the right to just take Tunis with the fleet if I dont like
> what I see.
Understood. Suggesting we simulate a conflict might
not have been appropriate given the context, but I
was only spelling out options (if my fleet is sitting in
Trieste this fall, she's available to support Ven, hold
or repeat Tri-Ven, but I will simply hold). I assure
you I had no ulterior motive here and I apologize if
I gave you that impression.
Philippe
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
Does it make sense to you that I trust you and believe
we can work together for our mutual benefit; but that
at the same time, I don't trust Italy in 1901?
I will of course accept that it's hard to return distrust
with anything but distrust; but I assure you this is only
short term and not aimed at you personaly but at the
power you are playing.
In the mean time, I will take whatever you have to give
and hope for better times,
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
> In the mean time, I will take whatever you have to give
> and hope for better times,
Philippe,
I have understood completely from the beginning.
And you have proven to me that you are as good a player as your reputation
speaks.
I think we are going to get along for a good long time.
take care
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> I have understood completely from the beginning.
Doesn't hurt to make sure ;-)
> And you have proven to me that you are as good a player as your reputation
> speaks.
I allready have a reputation? I just started playing
diplomacy on the internet last year and I wasn't
under the impression I had a reputation yet.
> I think we are going to get along for a good long time.
Looking forward to it,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Italy
Your plan for the Balkans certainly sounds like an excellent idea. Let's
make sure to keep on top of it, once the initial moves are through.
jason
Message from Russia to Italy
So what's your take on the G to RAI press? I suspect it's a tactic to
hamstring IR cooperation.
How do you think we should handle it? My take is that assuming Turkey is on
board with RTI v A, there's really not much that Germany can do if we
attack Austria -- well, there's not much he can do to you -- he might be
able to do something to me, but hopefully EF will keep him busy.
The real question is do we agree to this plan and undermine it later, or do
we debate it down to the point that it's next to useless. I lean towards
the latter, even though I realize the former has its merits.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> So what's your take on the G to RAI press? I suspect it's a tactic to
> hamstring IR cooperation.
Or just keep you onside for a year. Which is what he alludes to in his
next press to just Austria and I.
> How do you think we should handle it? My take is that assuming Turkey is on
> board with RTI v A, there's really not much that Germany can do if we
> attack Austria -- well, there's not much he can do to you -- he might be
> able to do something to me, but hopefully EF will keep him busy.
No. But Austria is so paranoid of me, I have to appear nuetral until the
fall season. He is hedgehogging on me. So I have to stay at home.
> The real question is do we agree to this plan and undermine it later, or do
> we debate it down to the point that it's next to useless. I lean towards
> the latter, even though I realize the former has its merits.
I dont think we do either implicitely, we agree to it tacitly in the open
and then we do whatever the hell we want. And you explain it away any way
you want to....ie....it was too good to be true....or whatever.
Andy
Message from England to all
Gentlemen -
I have out of town company this weekend & will not likely be available
until about 36 hour from now. Which is roughly a day and a half, in Tony's
time.
Thank you for your patience.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
Germany mentioned that you felt I had been very quiet, so I wanted to
make sure that you didn't think I was avoiding you because of my devious
plan to destroy you! :-)
As I mentioned before, I'm very happy to work with you to secure the
Balkans. Austria is telling me that he has done something to secure his
future, but obviously I have no idea what that means. Have you and he
come to some sort of agreement?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Germany mentioned that you felt I had been very quiet, so I wanted to
> make sure that you didn't think I was avoiding you because of my devious
> plan to destroy you! :-)
I understand. And no, I dont think you are going to destroy me. As a
matter of fact, I think we can work together come this fall.
> As I mentioned before, I'm very happy to work with you to secure the
> Balkans. Austria is telling me that he has done something to secure his
> future, but obviously I have no idea what that means. Have you and he
> come to some sort of agreement?
In his eyes....he probably has.
Lets talk after the first set of moves.
Andy
Message from Italy to England
> It looks like you wrote Erik already about Germany, which will help. I
> imagine you wrote Eric, too, - why wouldn't you - but it will help.
Yes.
Curious
> to know what you hear from Austria, who still hasn't written me.
Have you written him, he says he hasnt heard from you.
I'm
> guessing he's the source of the original grey broadcast. I saw he's had one
> solo & it was with Austria; it may have been a newbie game.
I will have my hands full with him in at least the short term.
> I'm getting a sense Eric will open south - what else would he tell me - but
> I imagine he'd make a good partner for you.
Eric and I have never shared a game together, but we are familiar with
each other.
Andy
Message from Italy to Italy
Hi Commentators....
In the first Comments game, I didnt know I was supposed to express my
thoughts to our obserervers through press to myself. So here goes...
1. For the first couple of years of any game, write to everyone, always
keep your finger on the pulse of what is going on, and hear what everyone
has to say. This is sometimes, totally a pain in the ass, but most of the
time it reaps rewards later in the game.
2. I am of the school that you must get out of the gate quickly. This game
is alittle different with such a paranoid Austrian and my history with
France (see game sete/USVG) for details on that. Oh...and I killed him in
the first Comments game.
3. Russia is potentially my best ally on the board at this point. Right
now, I have to concentrate on getting my agreements in place in the east,
and keeping EF together to kill the German. Tony Vernon is a fantastic
player and left in the hands of the relative newbies in EF, that must be
corraled continually.
thanks folks....
I will try to do this regularly so that you know where I am.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
I have been thinking about what you said, in reference to either
1. Agreeing to the alliance of GRIA and just attacking Austria out of the
box.
2. Playing along, killing the Turk and then Killing the Austrian.
And your preference to the first option. It is a non-starter for me,
unless we can get complete cooperation from the Turk.
For me to attack Austria, I basically have to go to Tyrolia, which is
spelled out as declaration of war on Germany and you, not that it would
hold much weight with you. Unless we can get the Turk to support APU - GRE
from BUL in F01' its a non-starter.
How do you suggest we get around the Austrian paranoia, The Turk says he
is on board to take down Austria, but who knows what that means, and I
would rather see him dead first in many ways. But if we need to take down
the Austrian first...Im all ears....
talk to me.
Andy
Message from Italy to Italy
Oh, I wouldnt at all be surpised at this point to see an Austrian unit in
TYR and TRI and a French Army in PIE
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Curious
> > to know what you hear from Austria, who still hasn't written me.
>
> Have you written him, he says he hasnt heard from you.
I had already written him, of course. We've now exchanged pleasantries.
> I'm
> > guessing he's the source of the original grey broadcast. I saw he's
had one
> > solo & it was with Austria; it may have been a newbie game.
>
> I will have my hands full with him in at least the short term.
Anything I can do let me know - dropping seeds, whatever.
> > I'm getting a sense Eric will open south - what else would he tell me -
but
> > I imagine he'd make a good partner for you.
>
> Eric and I have never shared a game together, but we are familiar with
> each other.
Good luck, etc.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> >
> > I will have my hands full with him in at least the short term.
> Anything I can do let me know - dropping seeds, whatever.
thank you.
Message from England to all
Greetings one and all. Company's gone & the house is quiet, but tomorrow
will probably be pretty busy, so forgive me if response time lags.
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Sorry, out of town for a day, and expected a chance to send email before I
left that didn't come. (Went to see a James Taylor concert among other
things). Today I had to wait until I could get over the Raiders' and
Giants' dismal performances before I had a positive enough attitude to send
press. :(
So far Turkey is taking a "wait and see" kind of approach with me, though
he seems willing to consider cooperation. I get the same sense you do, it's
not clear what his flexibility means. I have no idea whether or not Turkey
will want to support you to Gre, me to Rum, or work with Austria to keep
either from happening. For now we'll bounce in Bla and then I'll see if I
get Rum!
I completely get that you can't attack Austria if he's hedgehogging. I'm
still negotiating with him about whether we (A/R) should bounce instead of
DMZ. (I'm concerned that his hedgehog will include violating the Gal DMZ if
I leave it alone). If we bounce, it could work well to get him bouncing all
around in spring, while you hit Gre in Fall. That would allow me to "work
with" A/G according to the German agreement then really put a hit on
Austria. That's what I meant about there being an upside to you attacking
Austria if A/G think it means I'll cooperate with them.
The huge downside from your point of view is of course that it gives me all
the initiative. I could leave you hanging by not attacking, or I could take
a majority of the spoils if you're being attacked and I get the open front.
So I'm not really expecting it to happen in '01. But in Fall (Gre) Or next
season it could happen. However, I trust that you see that the *only*
reason I have to (say that I) agree to the German proposal is to avoid
creating an angry GA v R alliance. I have absolutely zero interest in an
agreement that seeks to build a strong GA, and even less to build a strong
GAI block, as either would basically guarantee someone comes to attack me.
This is all a really long way of saying that I'm looking for how to hit A,
whether now or later, given Germany's strong commitment to him. I've got
more flexibility to attack Austria than you, but I also have both of them
on my borders. So it's hard to assess who takes the greater risk in taking
a clear move against him.m
Any thoughts on EF vs. G? Germany's pushing the alliance structure in the
north the same way he is in the south. If EF can be created and hold
together, that will give me the flexibility to do whatever we need down here.
--- Eric
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
Haven't heard from you in a while (which, frankly, makes me a little
nervous). The situation in the west is resolving a little bit; everyone
is being very amicable, and we may have worked out a plan for Belgium,
but I could be facing an EG for all I know. I'll just have to play
conservatively and hope that they haven't been speaking too much behind
my back.
Given my nerves over EG, I'd like to hope that my southern front is
reasonably secure; can we at least agree to a DMZ in Pie, Lyo, Wes and
Tys? I certainly don't plan on leaving any major holes down south this
time, but if we can agree to that plan and stick to it for a couple of
seasons, I'll feel a lot better about the south and be better equiped to
deal with Tony.
How are your discussions on the east?
Erik
Message from Italy to France
>
> Haven't heard from you in a while (which, frankly, makes me a little
> nervous). The situation in the west is resolving a little bit; everyone
> is being very amicable, and we may have worked out a plan for Belgium,
Which is?
> but I could be facing an EG for all I know. I'll just have to play
> conservatively and hope that they haven't been speaking too much behind
> my back.
You and Ben should be talking alot. You need to get on the same page.
> Given my nerves over EG, I'd like to hope that my southern front is
> reasonably secure; can we at least agree to a DMZ in Pie, Lyo, Wes and
> Tys?
I will agree to everything but TYS.....it borders two of my home centers
and none of yours....sorry.
I certainly don't plan on leaving any major holes down south this
> time, but if we can agree to that plan and stick to it for a couple of
> seasons, I'll feel a lot better about the south and be better equiped to
> deal with Tony.
I have no intention of attacking you.
> How are your discussions on the east?
a pain in the ass.
The austrian player makes the Turk from the 1st game possatively trusting.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
> Sorry, out of town for a day, and expected a chance to send email before I
> left that didn't come. (Went to see a James Taylor concert among other
> things). Today I had to wait until I could get over the Raiders' and
> Giants' dismal performances before I had a positive enough attitude to send
> press. :(
Well....James Taylor is capable of rattling anyone...:-)
> So far Turkey is taking a "wait and see" kind of approach with me, though
> he seems willing to consider cooperation. I get the same sense you do, it's
> not clear what his flexibility means. I have no idea whether or not Turkey
> will want to support you to Gre, me to Rum, or work with Austria to keep
> either from happening. For now we'll bounce in Bla and then I'll see if I
> get Rum!
Turkey seems gung-ho as hell to attack Austria, but that could just be a
ruse.
> I completely get that you can't attack Austria if he's hedgehogging. I'm
> still negotiating with him about whether we (A/R) should bounce instead of
> DMZ. (I'm concerned that his hedgehog will include violating the Gal DMZ if
> I leave it alone). If we bounce, it could work well to get him bouncing all
> around in spring, while you hit Gre in Fall. That would allow me to "work
> with" A/G according to the German agreement then really put a hit on
> Austria. That's what I meant about there being an upside to you attacking
> Austria if A/G think it means I'll cooperate with them.
Im not hitting Greece unless I know I can take it.
> The huge downside from your point of view is of course that it gives me all
> the initiative. I could leave you hanging by not attacking, or I could take
> a majority of the spoils if you're being attacked and I get the open front.
> So I'm not really expecting it to happen in '01. But in Fall (Gre) Or next
> season it could happen. However, I trust that you see that the *only*
> reason I have to (say that I) agree to the German proposal is to avoid
> creating an angry GA v R alliance. I have absolutely zero interest in an
> agreement that seeks to build a strong GA, and even less to build a strong
> GAI block, as either would basically guarantee someone comes to attack me.
Either do I. Especially if the Austrian is going to continue to jump every
time I say Boo.
> This is all a really long way of saying that I'm looking for how to hit A,
> whether now or later, given Germany's strong commitment to him. I've got
> more flexibility to attack Austria than you, but I also have both of them
> on my borders. So it's hard to assess who takes the greater risk in taking
> a clear move against him.m
Correct.
> Any thoughts on EF vs. G? Germany's pushing the alliance structure in the
> north the same way he is in the south. If EF can be created and hold
> together, that will give me the flexibility to do whatever we need down here.
I have been pushing it since the beginningof the game.....I think they are
together.
Andy
Its a flaming baton
Thats ready to twirl
Its George Bush on acid
Singing the Duke of Earl
Gonna be a new world
-Mojo Nixon
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
> Which is?
The plan, at least as far as I know, is for England to occupy Belgium with
a fleet. Tony may be planning to block this, but I'm not.
>
> You and Ben should be talking alot. You need to get on the same page.
>
I am doing what I can. Ben is being friendly and talkative but non-
commital. I think he wants to see if I'll let him into Belgium first. I
wish he'd recognize the danger in Tony's abilities a little more readily.
I think those early German broadcasts rubbed Ben the wrong way, but who
knows? They could already be working together. My hope is to open
conservatively, not committing anywhere too boldly, and the continue to
develop my relationship with Ben and get him moving with me against
Germany.
If you could continue to encourage Ben to work with me, I'd really
appreciate it.
> I will agree to everything but TYS.....it borders two of my home centers
> and none of yours....sorry.
Okay, that's reasonable enough. I had to ask, though.
> The austrian player makes the Turk from the 1st game possatively
> trusting.
>
Yikes. Sorry to hear that. Wish I could offer you some insight into his
plans, but he's been incredibly vague. I heard from another source that
he's planning to move Trieste - Venice, but I have no idea how reliable
that information is, and given that I'm probably telling it to you fourth-
hand, I wouldn't put a lot of trust in it. Thought I'd pass it along just
in case, though.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
Gentlemen,
I cannot express strongly enough the need for the 2 of you to work
together against Germany. He is extremely strong, and has at least on
other power in his pocket.
I have Russia good with the idea that Germany must be hemmed also,
so you should be in decent shape there.
Get a plan together and then take him down.
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
Who does Tony have "in his pocket?" And if Tony's a major threat, are you
planning to move to Tyrolia, or are you counting on Russia, England and I
to deal with him so you can carry on without worrying about him?
Just curious why you're so obsessed with our working together against him.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> Who does Tony have "in his pocket?" And if Tony's a major threat, are you
> planning to move to Tyrolia, or are you counting on Russia, England and I
> to deal with him so you can carry on without worrying about him?
Erik....you ask some lovely questions....
the person in his pocket is Austria. And no I dont expect the 3 of you to
carry the load, but I have this issue with Austria. Germany has already
said that if anyone moves to Tyrolia he will attack them.
> Just curious why you're so obsessed with our working together against him.
Because he is the best player at the board, and if not kept in check he
will have the 2 of you fighting in about 20 seconds, he already has at
least one guy in his pocket and I have no clue if Turkey is as well.
And you 2 have much better access to him.....If the Austrian and the
Turk attack me out of the gate, I want the Russian on my side.
He needs to go away, and since I am not in direct contact with him, I cant
do it.
Andy
Message from France to England and Italy
>
> Erik....you ask some lovely questions....
>
And you provide some lovely answers. I have to say, there's certainly been
some evidence of a GA relationship, but not to the extent that you've
stated. You must have a line on some info that I don't have.
> the person in his pocket is Austria. And no I dont expect the 3 of you
> to
> carry the load, but I have this issue with Austria.
What is the issue? Are you expecting an attack? Are you being forced to
bounce? If it's a bounce, what's the big deal?
>
> And you 2 have much better access to him.....If the Austrian and the
> Turk attack me out of the gate, I want the Russian on my side.
>
I wish I could give you more info on the Turk, but he hasn't exactly been
talkative, even to somebody as far from his sphere of influence as me. I
think England's had the same experience.
> He needs to go away, and since I am not in direct contact with him, I
> cant
> do it.
Understood. Thanks for providing the info you've provided so far. I'm sure
England and I will discuss in more detail. We're both aware of Tony's
strength as a player.
Erik
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Get a plan together
Be patient. Trust me.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> And you provide some lovely answers. I have to say, there's certainly been
> some evidence of a GA relationship, but not to the extent that you've
> stated. You must have a line on some info that I don't have.
Well....they want me to be thier ally, but dont want to give me any
latitude to do anything.
> > the person in his pocket is Austria. And no I dont expect the 3 of you
> > to
> > carry the load, but I have this issue with Austria.
>
> What is the issue? Are you expecting an attack? Are you being forced to
> bounce? If it's a bounce, what's the big deal?
For defensive reasons Austria is attacking Venice...just in case I thought
about moving on him, his ally.
He claims to trust me completely, but insists on moving Tri - Ven in S01'
> Understood. Thanks for providing the info you've provided so far. I'm sure
> England and I will discuss in more detail. We're both aware of Tony's
> strength as a player.
>
No problem. I will help whereever I can.
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
For what it's worth I think Austria may be firmly under German control.
It would certainly explain his insistence on the A/I alliance beginning
with the - ahem - novelty TRI - VEN. Kind of reminds me of C1, actually,
Andy.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
>
> Gentlemen -
> For what it's worth I think Austria may be firmly under German control.
>
> It would certainly explain his insistence on the A/I alliance beginning
> with the - ahem - novelty TRI - VEN. Kind of reminds me of C1, actually,
> Andy.
>
Ben, were you in C1
Message from England to France and Italy
> > It would certainly explain his insistence on the A/I alliance beginning
> > with the - ahem - novelty TRI - VEN. Kind of reminds me of C1,
actually,
> > Andy.
> >
> Ben, were you in C1
I was observing. You played an outstanding game.
Message from Italy to England and France
> > > It would certainly explain his insistence on the A/I alliance beginning
> > > with the - ahem - novelty TRI - VEN. Kind of reminds me of C1,
> actually,
> > > Andy.
> > >
> > Ben, were you in C1
>
> I was observing. You played an outstanding game.
>
Thank you..
Message from Germany to Italy
So what is happening, I know France and Austria are talking. Have you heared
anything yet
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> So what is happening, I know France and Austria are talking. Have you heared
> anything yet
>
Not a thing, but if they get together I am not in good shape....
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
What are you guys hearing. I am hearing RT and ER. I also hear that AI are
doing ok. The last one is good news but have you heared rumors? How come we
havent heared from Russia in a global press to us? do we count him out?
We probably wont be getting down to businees in the spring due to the VEN
bounce but hopefully by fall we will all be on board.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> What are you guys hearing. I am hearing RT and ER. I also hear that AI are
> doing ok.
We are ok.
The last one is good news but have you heared rumors? How come we
> havent heared from Russia in a global press to us?
The rumours I have heard center around France and Austria jumping me.
I know they cant be true because of my relationship with GA.
do we count him out?
I think you should ask him.
> We probably wont be getting down to businees in the spring due to the VEN
> bounce but hopefully by fall we will all be on board.
Exactly.
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> > What are you guys hearing. I am hearing RT and ER. I also hear that AI are
> > doing ok.
>
> We are ok.
>
> The last one is good news but have you heared rumors? How come we
> > havent heared from Russia in a global press to us?
>
> The rumours I have heard center around France and Austria jumping me.
>
> I know they cant be true because of my relationship with GA.
There's no need to worry on my account. I'm committed to AGI
and even if I weren't, I can't see the point of attacking Italy right
off the bat.
> do we count him out?
>
> I think you should ask him.
I think Russia was a bit put off by the joint press, but even after,
I still got a good feeling from his press. Of course, if there's
rumours of RT, it could all just be a setup and I would need you
to bounce Sweden like we said.
> > We probably wont be getting down to businees in the spring due to the VEN
> > bounce but hopefully by fall we will all be on board.
>
> Exactly.
Yes, I look forward to finally know what's really happening
around the board.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> > The rumours I have heard center around France and Austria jumping me.
> >
> > I know they cant be true because of my relationship with GA.
>
> There's no need to worry on my account. I'm committed to AGI
> and even if I weren't, I can't see the point of attacking Italy right
> off the bat.
Well....thats what you are doing.
And the specific rumour I have heard is that France is moving MAR - PIE
> Yes, I look forward to finally know what's really happening
> around the board.
As do I.
Andy
Message from Germany to all
OK, so here it is. MUN - BUR (agreed bounce with France), KIE - DEN (on
request), BER - KIE. Pretty standard opening I would say. Anyone else like
to share?
Message from Germany to Italy
Its just hit me are you sure about Austria?
What is to stop him moving to TYR and having two units on VEN?
Did you agree to hold in VEN or bounce him in TRI?
Maybe ROM - APU as a back up is wise. If the 3 of us are together by fall
then the fleet can always take TUN. This would allow an easy fleet build to
head west along with ven - pie. I prefer that move in the spring but that
would mean rom - ven to bounce with tri. That would mean nap - tys to convoy
to tun. A little awkward, just a thought though onvie - tyr. He says he has
a dmz in gal. Then where is vie going? is it going to bud?
Maybe you should insist on a bounce in tyr. This still allows him to move
tri - ven.
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> Its just hit me are you sure about Austria?
Hell no.
> What is to stop him moving to TYR and having two units on VEN?
Nothing, and if the French go to Piedmont, they can force Venice, even if
I go to Apulia from Rome.
> Did you agree to hold in VEN or bounce him in TRI?
He is attacking Venice from Trieste, I have to hold
> Maybe ROM - APU as a back up is wise. If the 3 of us are together by fall
> then the fleet can always take TUN.
Right.
This would allow an easy fleet build to
> head west along with ven - pie. I prefer that move in the spring but that
> would mean rom - ven to bounce with tri. That would mean nap - tys to convoy
> to tun. A little awkward, just a thought though onvie - tyr. He says he has
> a dmz in gal. Then where is vie going? is it going to bud?
> Maybe you should insist on a bounce in tyr. This still allows him to move
> tri - ven.
He has refused every other option I have put forward to him.
If you want to understand the history I have with the French player...just
look at the game sete on USVG.....the setup will be quite familiar, he has
already told me that anything that even looks in the slightest way
offensive towards him will be met with all his units.
This is why I am so guarded....
Message from Germany to Italy
Hmmm interesting. I have never let past experiences effect a new game. I
always follow the board.
But i did find austria's demands a little far fetched. You should at least
move ven - tri to bounce.
I dont see him moving to adr and then push bud - tri but at least moving to
tri is the same as holding ven.
This would leave tyr open if i were hostile. Why not insist on a bounce in
tyr? this also takes care of the tri - ven.
He does seem paranoid about tri and an italian stab. The french hasnt
mentioned austria at all.
I dont think they are allied. Well if you really want to be safe order ven -
pie and rom - ven. If i was allied with france against you then he would be
moving to pie and I would be moving to tri.
I just wish we could have gotten a clear commitment from austria.
Message from Germany to Italy
>If i was allied with france against you then he would be
moving to pie and I would be moving to tri.>
Its late and bed time. I ment I would be moving to tyr not tri.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
Philippe,
I am having one of those really bad gut feelings about this first turn...
how about if we bounce in Tyrolia and Venice.
Is that ok with you??
Andy
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> I am having one of those really bad gut feelings about this first turn...
>
> how about if we bounce in Tyrolia and Venice.
>
> Is that ok with you??
To be frank, I would rather not but will feel obligated to if
you insist. We are allies and I will do what I can to ease
your worries; but with the threat of getting bounced in
Sweden, I believe Russia will abstain from moving against
me right away and this give me the opportunity of going for
Vie-Bud-ser & Bud-Ser-gre for a shot at two builds or at
least make sure Turkey won't.
Philippe.
P.-S. In case you wonder, no I don't trust Russia more then
Italy in 1901; but contrarily to Italy, he can be denied a build
for even attempting to attack Austria. That's why I'm still
going with Tri-Ven.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> > I am having one of those really bad gut feelings about this first turn...
> >
> > how about if we bounce in Tyrolia and Venice.
> >
> > Is that ok with you??
>
> To be frank,
to be frank, I dont see any reason for you to need to hedgehog, but you
are.
I would rather not but will feel obligated to if
> you insist. We are allies and I will do what I can to ease
> your worries; but with the threat of getting bounced in
> Sweden, I believe Russia will abstain from moving against
> me right away and this give me the opportunity of going for
> Vie-Bud-ser & Bud-Ser-gre for a shot at two builds or at
> least make sure Turkey won't.
No.....no need to....I have to trust you at some level.
thanks for the quick response.
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Howdy
You need to bounce the Austrian out of Greece in the fall. He is holding
me in check so he wont have a supported attack on Greece.
Can you do that?
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy
I received some press from Austria that makes him out to be more uncertain
than we thought. I think in time he will want to work with you.
I am also hearing that you are worried about an attack from France.
Erik and I are mindful of the danger posed by Tony. I - we - have a plan.
But if you go to PIE then Erik's head will explode and that would be bad.
If you insist on going to PIE I can work with that. But I need to know
ahead of time.
Let me know. Ok?
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
Galacia will be open if you want it.
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> But if you go to PIE then Erik's head will explode and that would be bad.
> If you insist on going to PIE I can work with that. But I need to know
> ahead of time.
There is no way I am going to Piedmont....if Erik does I am screwed, blued
and tatttooed......but I dont suspect he wants to.
What is your plan for Tony
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > But if you go to PIE then Erik's head will explode and that would be
bad.
> > If you insist on going to PIE I can work with that. But I need to know
> > ahead of time.
>
> There is no way I am going to Piedmont....if Erik does I am screwed, blued
> and tatttooed......but I dont suspect he wants to.
>
> What is your plan for Tony
I don't want to be in a position where it screws up & I have to wonder. If
you know what I mean.
So I'm not going to tell you. I think you understand.
And I was serious about Austria. If you keep whispering in his ear you may
persuade him of an RT - which I am inclined to think is real anyway - and
if you want I will try to get him to go for GRE instead of TRI - VEN. Let
me know if that's what you want; I don't want to interfere with your play
in the East.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> > What is your plan for Tony
> I don't want to be in a position where it screws up & I have to wonder. If
> you know what I mean.
I understand completely.
>
> And I was serious about Austria. If you keep whispering in his ear you may
> persuade him of an RT - which I am inclined to think is real anyway - and
> if you want I will try to get him to go for GRE instead of TRI - VEN. Let
> me know if that's what you want; I don't want to interfere with your play
> in the East.
He is already going for greece....he is not going to Galacia at all....he
is moving everything south so that he can hedgehog me and still get two
builds.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Thanks for your note.
Don't worry, Austria won't get Greece in the fall. I'll guarantee that.
Germany sent me a note basically saying "you're toast." I assume he
thinks AIR is coming for me. Any reason he might think this?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Thanks for your note.
>
> Don't worry, Austria won't get Greece in the fall. I'll guarantee that.
>
> Germany sent me a note basically saying "you're toast." I assume he
> thinks AIR is coming for me. Any reason he might think this?
He seems to think that I am working with Austria...which I have done my
best to make him believe.
He is deadmeat.
Message from England to Italy
Andy
> > > What is your plan for Tony
> > I don't want to be in a position where it screws up & I have to wonder.
If
> > you know what I mean.
>
> I understand completely.
I knew you would. Last favor on this point, and I figure you understood
this too - let Erik carry on with you as he has been. Humor him.
> > And I was serious about Austria. If you keep whispering in his ear you
may
> > persuade him of an RT - which I am inclined to think is real anyway -
and
> > if you want I will try to get him to go for GRE instead of TRI - VEN.
Let
> > me know if that's what you want; I don't want to interfere with your
play
> > in the East.
>
> He is already going for greece....he is not going to Galacia at all....he
> is moving everything south so that he can hedgehog me and still get two
> builds.
He's nuts. Do you think I'm wrong about an RT? He's trying to get you
both killed. I just suggested he go to GAL - I'll press him harder on the
point when I get a chance.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > I understand completely.
> I knew you would. Last favor on this point, and I figure you understood
> this too - let Erik carry on with you as he has been. Humor him.
I dont understand what you mean.
> > > And I was serious about Austria. If you keep whispering in his ear you
> may
> > > persuade him of an RT - which I am inclined to think is real anyway -
> and
> > > if you want I will try to get him to go for GRE instead of TRI - VEN.
> Let
> > > me know if that's what you want; I don't want to interfere with your
> play
> > > in the East.
> >
> > He is already going for greece....he is not going to Galacia at all....he
> > is moving everything south so that he can hedgehog me and still get two
> > builds.
> He's nuts. Do you think I'm wrong about an RT? He's trying to get you
> both killed. I just suggested he go to GAL - I'll press him harder on the
> point when I get a chance.
I know that, but we shall see.
Message from England to Italy
> > > I understand completely.
> > I knew you would. Last favor on this point, and I figure you understood
> > this too - let Erik carry on with you as he has been. Humor him.
>
> I dont understand what you mean.
Just don't let him know that you & I had even this much of a conversation
on the subject of Tony. That's all.
Now go to sleep.
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
Hey Andy,
Thanks for the heads up. For now, I've agreed to a DMZ in Gal. Since
Germany has made Sweden conditional on not violating that DMZ, I won't be
violating it in Spring 01. But I do intend to keep my forces focused south
so that I am able to go against A or T, whichever we choose.
I'm not too worried about deciding on targeting A or T yet, and it sounded
like you are not either. Since we haven't yet seen who's going to stick
their neck out, I think it will pay to be flexible in the very short term.
Once we see how they set up, we can choose a specific target later.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> I'm not too worried about deciding on targeting A or T yet, and it sounded
> like you are not either. Since we haven't yet seen who's going to stick
> their neck out, I think it will pay to be flexible in the very short term.
> Once we see how they set up, we can choose a specific target later.
I agree completely
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> thanks for the quick response.
No problem, when I can I do; but it's not
always possible given my internet access.
Philippe
Message to all
> OK, so here it is. MUN - BUR (agreed bounce with France), KIE - DEN (on
> request), BER - KIE. Pretty standard opening I would say. Anyone else like
> to share?
Can we expect you to keep this up?
Message from Germany to all
<Can we expect you to keep this up?>
Who are 'we'? some of you can some of you cant. Those that expect will
receive ;-)
So, no one else willing to lie.. I mean share their opening moves?
Turkey; just to save on press and answer in this one, the answer is NO.
I will not be asking France and Italy to convoy me to SMY nor will I aid in
any EFI convoy of a Russian unit from STP to CON.
Message from England to all
> I will not be asking France and Italy to convoy me to SMY nor
> will I aid in any EFI convoy of a Russian unit from STP to CON.
My suggestion was for a convoy of a Russian army from NAF to STP, via the
Eastern Med. Please read your press more carefully.
My opening moves are:
F STP/sc - BOT
A MOS - WAR
A WAR - MOS
F SEV - ION
This way I maximize my defensive posture and bounce Italy from the Ionian.
Ben
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Venice (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest
England: Fleet Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea
England: Army Liverpool → Yorkshire
England: Fleet London → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Paris → Gascony
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel
Germany: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Germany: Army Munich → Ruhr
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Rome → Apulia
Italy: Army Venice HOLD
Russia: Army Moscow HOLD
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Gulf of Bothnia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Armenia
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