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Message from Italy to France
Erik...
Another fleet in Marsaille....
After attacking England.....why does this just look like a big lie....
A *she's just a friend* kind of lie.....
Bre was open....help me out here.
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
I'm reading the french build as a warning of an imminent
invasion of Italy following a truce with England, are you
reading this the same way?
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
>
> I'm reading the french build as a warning of an imminent
> invasion of Italy following a truce with England, are you
> reading this the same way?
Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
Im also pretty sure I can get England to attakc him full bore.
Message from Austria to Italy
> Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
> England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
So, I suppose that Tun-Wes & Nap-Tys is in order. Also,
with Bud-Ser, Ion-Gre might also be a good idea. Anyway,
the problem as far as I'm concerned is what to do with your
armies? Even though it's risky for me, I would like you to
stay in Tyr to support me, leaving Ven to cover Pie; but one
thing is sure, I don't want you to keep both armies near me.
So, what are your thoughts on the situation?
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > Pretty much....I sent him a note telling him that his whole attack on
> > England thing was a big lie and that I wasnt stupid.
>
> So, I suppose that Tun-Wes & Nap-Tys is in order. Also,
> with Bud-Ser, Ion-Gre might also be a good idea.
Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
the fall.
But the rest is pretty much assured.
Anyway,
> the problem as far as I'm concerned is what to do with your
> armies? Even though it's risky for me, I would like you to
> stay in Tyr to support me, leaving Ven to cover Pie; but one
> thing is sure, I don't want you to keep both armies near me.
I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
take care
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Just a quick message for now -- I'm buried at work.
I don't truly expect you to believe that I screwed things up, but when you
read the press log, you'll see that I clearly just lost track of the fact
that Gal-Bud was an option. I imagine I've been flamed/taken to task quite a
bit by the observers, because that's a huge oversight, and I failed to
realize it until a while after the moves processed. One of those things where
my mind's picture of the map got out of date (despite the good things you
hear about me, I am a relative newbie that doesn't play frequently -- this is
probably my 8th game or so over a 5 year "career") and I just failed to
visualize the map correctly and see the real options. Had I gotten that
straight, I probably would have made the moves you suggested, because I agree
it was clearly better than whan I did (though not necessarily better than
getting a build from Vie).
I'll write you back to discuss strategy separately, but I wanted to address
that one.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Sorry guys I messed up my retreat orders. I was meant to keep MUN and BER to
move on BOH and SIL.
Good luck.
Message from Germany to all
Turkey, I blame you for my downfall. So my wil and testament requests that
England, France and Italy position their fleets as such to allow me to
convoy
to CON to have a few words to you. I will be bording in HEL and hopping vai
NTH, ENG, MAO, WES, TYS, ION, AEG to CON.
I would be gratefull if the AEG would assist in this operation.You owe me at
least that much for all the bad advice you have been pressing me these last
few years.
Message from Austria to all
Hi all,
I'm not going to be available this week-end and will
get back to everyone monday.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> I'll write you back to discuss strategy separately, but I wanted to address
> that one.
>
Well....why would you think I would feel that way?
But we definitely need to talk strategy, so I look forward to hearing from
you
take care
Andy
Message from France to Italy
I didn't have much of a choice. After Eric sold me up the river with Den
and left me holding the bag in Iri, I couldn't very well build a fleet in
Brest, as it would have meant warn with an England who I didn't expect to
get two builds. But, with two English builds, I need fleets more than
ever, so .... F Mar was more or less my only choice. Add to that English
insistence that you were coming to Wes anyway.
What I do with it now depends on how the dust settles here in the west, but
you can what direction my last F Mar went in.
Erik
Message from Russia to all
This has been a hellishly busy week for me and the weekend doesn't look
much better. (Then again, neither does next week, so I'll just try to deal
with it and not request any extensions). While I've managed to dash off a
note here and there, I've mostly disappeared for the last two days. My
apologies to those who are owed notes from me, I will attempt to get notes
out before the end of the night.
In addition to overall time management issues, my ISP started deciding
sometime last week that certain messages from USTX are spam. This means
that I didn't see some messages for days after they arrived here, and
because of user error a couple of those messages were immediately deleted.
I *believe* that I have at least seen every message that was sent to me,
even if I still don't have a copy on hand, but if you sent anything really
important to me in the last few days, I request that you resend it.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Yours was one of those messages that was marked as spam and inadvertently
deleted. I believe in that message you asked "why would I (Andy) think that
about you (Eric)?" Since I don't have the message anymore, I don't know
what the word "that" referred to in your message. If you were looking for a
response, please follow up with a specific question.
Well, my thinking for IR cooperation was to be in Vie this Spring and then
look at swinging around towards Jason as we discussed (with much the same
center distribution), just a season late. That won't work as easily now,
but is still possible.
I was not kidding in my broadcast about not having any time recently, so I
haven't looked over the board much at all (I wish I had your FtF experience
to help here). Because of this I don't have a lot of specific ideas.
Obviously, we could get you into Tri. If we went this route I don't know
whether I would help you take Tri in Spring or Fall; depending on what
moves are talked about in Spring it might make sense to not anger Philippe
prior to Fall. Other things that we could do together: I could try to
convince Jason that he should support Smy-Eas in Spring to keep you from
slipping into Aeg or Eas. This would allow you to get into position to
potentially hold Gre while taking Tri. The option of moving to Arm is also
open still. Assuming we did all of this, I'd want to get you into Ser (if
I'd had a chance I would have asked you to retreat Ser to Alb, though I can
see why you might not like that) though that might take a while, since I'd
have to push through to Bud or get an army in Rum to help you there. I'd
like your take on whether this is even a sensible way to move forward or if
you have any better ideas.
Given my history to date, you are probably skeptical about whether I mean
any of the above. On the assumption that you think I'm blowing smoke up
your you know what, I'll give you a couple of reasons I think you should
believe me. If you look back at my responses to you last season, I never
actually said I would tap Bud or Rum, nor move to Arm. I know that's
largely a lame statement because agreement was implied, but I was very
careful to not actually promise you something I was afraid I might not
deliver. I also know that long term someone will need to have fleets in the
Med to hold whomever comes out of the west in check, and there is no way in
hell that's going to be me; it could be Jason, but there are obvious
reasons why it would make more sense for me to have it be you there.
Finally, turn after turn I've gotten really strong offers from each of
Jason and Philippe (that they keep delivering on) that benefit me if I let
them cooperate against you, so it made sense to me to work with them
despite our discussions. This season it doesn't look like they are going to
be able to cooperate against you (at least not in a way that aids me) so
it's a different environment.
Anyway, I'd better send this, because I sat down to write it and my
broadcast 6 hours ago, and just now am finding time to finish it. If I've
failed to address anything -- and I probably have -- please call me on it.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Italy
Its good to know that aside from Philippe, everyone is blowing smoke up my
ass....at a rate that would make a 19th century locamotive seem like a
environmentally friendly vehicle...
Every normal man must be tempted, at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats"
- H.L.Menken
Message from Italy to France
Erik,
> I didn't have much of a choice. After Eric sold me up the river with Den
> and left me holding the bag in Iri, I couldn't very well build a fleet in
> Brest, as it would have meant warn with an England who I didn't expect to
> get two builds. But, with two English builds, I need fleets more than
> ever, so .... F Mar was more or less my only choice. Add to that English
> insistence that you were coming to Wes anyway.
If you are going to have to fight the English. And it looks like you will
have to fight the English, why not have the fleet at the front?
> What I do with it now depends on how the dust settles here in the west, but
> you can what direction my last F Mar went in.
Just make sure it does.
thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
> would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
> into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
> the fall.
The idea wasn't for you to get in Gre. Jason can easily cover
Bul, so I doubt he will support Ser-Gre only to trade sc. My
guess is that he will support Bul-Gre instead and that he will
only rely on Ser's support while using Aeg to support Smy-Eas.
With Ion-Gre & Bud-Ser, Turkey's plan are delayed and you
are in a better position for the fall.
> I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
>
> I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
OK. It's not yet clear what I will try this spring, but your options
for Tyr are to either support Ven-Pie or Vie to hold; but I will
need you even more in the fall I suspect.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
> > Im not sure about ION, because he can take Greece any time he wants. I
> > would much rather stay in ION force him to use units to take it than walk
> > into GRE so that he can slip into ION in spring and then kick me out in
> > the fall.
>
> The idea wasn't for you to get in Gre. Jason can easily cover
> Bul, so I doubt he will support Ser-Gre only to trade sc. My
> guess is that he will support Bul-Gre instead and that he will
> only rely on Ser's support while using Aeg to support Smy-Eas.
> With Ion-Gre & Bud-Ser, Turkey's plan are delayed and you
> are in a better position for the fall.
Got it.
> > I appreciate you recognizing that they can be useful.
> >
> > I dont have a map here, but your moves sound reasonable.
>
> OK. It's not yet clear what I will try this spring, but your options
> for Tyr are to either support Ven-Pie or Vie to hold; but I will
> need you even more in the fall I suspect.
Tyr will support Vienna, Venice will go to Rome or Tuscany.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> Well, my thinking for IR cooperation was to be in Vie this Spring and then
> look at swinging around towards Jason as we discussed (with much the same
> center distribution), just a season late. That won't work as easily now,
> but is still possible.
Who would be in Vienna this spring?
> I was not kidding in my broadcast about not having any time recently, so I
> haven't looked over the board much at all (I wish I had your FtF experience
> to help here). Because of this I don't have a lot of specific ideas.
You have the world at your feet, EF are fighting, Germany is dead, and
Turkey trusts you completely...
What could possibly be wrong.
> Given my history to date, you are probably skeptical about whether I mean
> any of the above.
Yeah....given that you keep telling me you are making rookie mistakes, and
I know that you are a much better player than that.
On the assumption that you think I'm blowing smoke up
> your you know what, I'll give you a couple of reasons I think you should
> believe me. If you look back at my responses to you last season, I never
> actually said I would tap Bud or Rum, nor move to Arm. I know that's
> largely a lame statement because agreement was implied, but I was very
> careful to not actually promise you something I was afraid I might not
> deliver.
That is fine.
But you set a level of expectation without actually saying the words per
se.
If I have a level of expectation that you have fostered, with direct or
indirect words, we arent in a court of law, you have renighed on your part
of the deal.
I also know that long term someone will need to have fleets in the
> Med to hold whomever comes out of the west in check, and there is no way in
> hell that's going to be me;
Really.
it could be Jason, but there are obvious
> reasons why it would make more sense for me to have it be you there.
Yes...but you have been propping up and working with Jason.....
You reap what you sew.
> Finally, turn after turn I've gotten really strong offers from each of
> Jason and Philippe (that they keep delivering on) that benefit me if I let
> them cooperate against you, so it made sense to me to work with them
> despite our discussions. This season it doesn't look like they are going to
> be able to cooperate against you (at least not in a way that aids me) so
> it's a different environment.
So what makes me believe you wont continue to work with them if they give
you strong offers....
If I have your position, I am already planning my solo....
you are at 7 (which can be 9 anytime you want) and you have no
enemies...sounds like a good place to me.
take care
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Unfortunately, I am leaving for my Monday night class in 2 minutes (4:00
Pacific), so it sounds like we will not be able to negotiate specific moves
before the deadline. I will be back just before the deadline (about 7:30
Pacific time, the deadline is 9:30) but I expect that you may be asleep by
then. In general I'm happy with you gaining two centers so long as I can gain
one (or Jason doesn't) at the same time.
If you want to try to get some back and forth before the deadline, send me
some press, but I need to go NOW, so if that's not good enough let's hold off
on cooperation planning until Fall.
Sorry,
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
I'm assuming from before that you are not interested in discussing tactics
this late in the turn, so for now I'll just respond to the message I got from
you last night.
> You have the world at your feet, EF are fighting, Germany is dead, and
> Turkey trusts you completely...
>
> What could possibly be wrong.
I am not asking for your sympathy, but you definitely have a *much* more
optimistic worldview than I did.
> But you set a level of expectation without actually saying the words per
> se.
There is no doubt of that, hence the "lame excuse" caveat.
> Yeah....given that you keep telling me you are making rookie mistakes,
> and I know that you are a much better player than that.
I think I've been poorly expressing the problem. I don't think my mistakes
are generally "rookie" mistakes (with the exception of the Bud support to Ser
thing last season -- in that case I honestly forgot the arrangement of
Gal/Bud/Ser and thought that it was Ser's support that needed to be cut,
hence Gal-Bud was "not effective" -- which was lame if not technically
rookie). I'll try to explain what I mean later, when the explanation isn't
colored by the fact that we're having in-game issues.
> So what makes me believe you wont continue to work with them if they
> give you strong offers....
If they do, then I can't make any such guarantee. My point is that there
isn't as much for them to offer anymore.
> If I have your position, I am already planning my solo....
I believe this, but that's not the way I approach the game (which is a
shortcoming in my game, for certain -- I talk about this some in my comments
to the observers as well). So if you were me, what would you be planning?
(I'm happy for you to respond with a press to self that I can read later -- I
understand you may not want to help me right now). I certainly acknowledge
that to this point I am in good shape despite though I see some serious
errors in judgement and movement on my part, and don't feel the confidence in
my position that I think you would have here.
> you are at 7 (which can be 9 anytime you want) and you have no
> enemies...
That remains to be seen, doesn't it? :) Again, different worldviews....
--- Eric
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Re: TYR - for my interest in MUN - I have no intention of sharing your
answer with others, but it affects my play if you are influencing MUN.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> Re: TYR - for my interest in MUN - I have no intention of sharing your
> answer with others, but it affects my play if you are influencing MUN.
Im supporting Vienna.
What are your plans....I hope you are going to kick Erik's lying ass all
over western europe
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> I'm assuming from before that you are not interested in discussing tactics
> this late in the turn, so for now I'll just respond to the message I got from
> you last night.
I try to stand by the rule of not negotiating with anyone that doesnt have
thier moves in and is late....
> > You have the world at your feet, EF are fighting, Germany is dead, and
> > Turkey trusts you completely...
> >
> > What could possibly be wrong.
>
> I am not asking for your sympathy, but you definitely have a *much* more
> optimistic worldview than I did.
Ok....who wants you dead.....that can actually get to you and be
effective.
> > Yeah....given that you keep telling me you are making rookie mistakes,
> > and I know that you are a much better player than that.
>
>
> If they do, then I can't make any such guarantee. My point is that there
> isn't as much for them to offer anymore.
Really....but in a year or so, it wont matter what they are offering, you
will be able to take what you want.
> > If I have your position, I am already planning my solo....
>
> I believe this, but that's not the way I approach the game (which is a
> shortcoming in my game, for certain -- I talk about this some in my comments
> to the observers as well). So if you were me, what would you be planning?
I will write a press to myself.
> > you are at 7 (which can be 9 anytime you want) and you have no
> > enemies...
>
> That remains to be seen, doesn't it? :) Again, different worldviews....
I guess so....but I would be very interested in who you call an enemy
right now.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
> I try to stand by the rule of not negotiating with anyone that doesnt
> have thier moves in and is late....
Me too. And to be clear, I'm not late at this point. I was about 30 minutes
late in submitting orders last night. I wasn't late because I was stalling
for negotation time. I meant that you said before that you disregard
negotiations that happen right before the deadline. And since the deadline
could effectively be now, I assumed that this "break" would count as "right
before" it.
>>> If I have your position, I am already planning my solo....
>>
>> So if you were me, what would you be planning?
>
> I will write a press to myself.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
>>> you are at 7 (which can be 9 anytime you want) and you have no
>>> enemies...
>>
>> That remains to be seen, doesn't it? :) Again, different worldviews....
>
> I guess so....but I would be very interested in who you call an enemy
> right now.
There is no one that is actively acting as such. But as someone said on some
diplomacy list recently, it's like the stock market -- past performance is
not a guarantee of future returns. As I said, it truly is a worldview kind of
thing. I suspect we would both come up with somewhat similar reviews of any
given board as observers, but that the expectations that we would bring to
actually playing a specific position would differ significantly. In this
respect, I'm a "glass half empty" kind of guy.
--- Eric
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Im supporting Vienna.
Music to my ears.
> What are your plans....I hope you are going to kick Erik's lying ass all
> over western europe
:-) When will you be available to put in a boot of your own, so to speak?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > What are your plans....I hope you are going to kick Erik's lying ass all
> > over western europe
> :-) When will you be available to put in a boot of your own, so to speak?
soon.
Message from France to all
Sorry, all. I had a big issue involving my e-mail provider that has now
been fixed.
Erik
Austria: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Fleet Trieste → Albania
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Fleet Trieste (*void*)
England: Fleet Denmark → Helgoland Bight
England: Fleet Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Liverpool → Irish Sea
England: Fleet London → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Holland
France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Marseilles
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Belgium (*cut*)
France: Fleet Irish Sea → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Marseilles → Gulf of Lyon
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Berlin → Kiel (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Holland (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Western Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Austrian Army Vienna
Italy: Army Venice → Rome
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT English Fleet Denmark → Kiel (*void*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Munich
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Rumania SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria
Russia: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Budapest
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea
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