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Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
Nothing surprising in the builds.
Shall we move on our plan.
take care
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
>Nothing surprising in the builds.
>
>Shall we move on our plan.
Yes. I'll order Alb-Ion-Apu, Gre S Ion, Smy-Aeg or EMS, two supports to Ber,
and Tyl-Pie. I'll figure out other stuff to order too, but that seems to be
the most important. I will NOT move to Ven in spring.
I heard back from Erik and he indicated that he'd like support to Nap, but he
hasn't told me which unit is moving yet.
And lest you worry when/if I go silent, we had a truck turn around in our
driveway last night and snap the drop for our voice and DSL line. So I may be
sparse online until the phone company gets around to fix it. (No, I am not
making this up either.)
--- Eric
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Obviously, I'm not heading to Munich this turn, and you can count on
Andy being supported there, so I'd recommend taking Venice. In the
interests of speeding things up, can you support Rom - Nap?
I'm not too worried about Ben, especially with the build of A Lon, and
you're in a position to capitalize on any abandonment of Tunis, so I
think that will keep him in line.
I'll be out of town through Monday night, but I'll check e-mail
occasionally. Orders are going in now, set wait.
Erik
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Unsurprisingly, Erik has asked for support to Nap from Rome. I will offer
it. That should mean that Ven S Nap-Rom is the right choice for orders. But
whatever you'd like to order is fine with me. Don't get me wrong -- I'd
love the solo, but I was prepared for the three way when I supported Erik
to Mun. If you want to go with Ven-Rom and bet that Erik is trying to screw
with me (or if you just don't really want to hand me the solo), I won't
take it at all badly.
Take care. If this season processes at the same rate others have, I may see
you in Portland before we exchange much more in the way of press. :)
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> Unsurprisingly, Erik has asked for support to Nap from Rome. I will offer
> it. That should mean that Ven S Nap-Rom is the right choice for orders. But
> whatever you'd like to order is fine with me. Don't get me wrong -- I'd
> love the solo, but I was prepared for the three way when I supported Erik
> to Mun. If you want to go with Ven-Rom and bet that Erik is trying to screw
> with me (or if you just don't really want to hand me the solo), I won't
> take it at all badly.
>
> Take care. If this season processes at the same rate others have, I may see
> you in Portland before we exchange much more in the way of press. :)
Advice noted.
I would MUCH rather hand you a solo, that be cut out of a draw.
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Sorry for the silence. We'll see how things are going to end pretty quickly
now.
While I do agree that I haven't soloed based largely on not following your
post-elimination advice, on reviewing the press log I see that you actually
missed a message from me when you were still around:
>:: Judge: USTX Game: C2 Variant: Standard
>:: Deadline: S1905M Fri Jan 09 2004 23:30:00 -0600
>
>Message from ericgood@pacbell.net as Russia to Germany in 'c2':
>
>Tony,
>[....]
>What I'd like to do is not move Den Spring (though I could support you in
>Kie) while you and France get Bel for France, then in Fall I can tap Nth (or
>Hel) when England's focused on retaking Bel.
[Several presses skipped, where you assumed I was attacking you and
attacked me because of it....]
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:12:06 +0000 (UTC)
>[....]
>Message from tvernon@chello.nl as Germany to Russia in 'c2':
>
> > Good point. While I said I did not want Den moving, I didn't clarify that
>it
>could have supported you.>
>
>I am to blame too. There is what you call a "fetch"and "bring" duty.
>If someone doesnt bring you information then go fetch it.
>I took the non-offer as support as a sure sign of the stab. I should have
>just asked for the support. Then Holland would have fell and the fleet
>destroyed. Darnnnnnnnnnn....oh well.......we live and learn.
As it turns out, I had told you that I was willing to support you in Kie,
which was what you claimed I had not done. So, if I don't solo, it's
actually your fault for not reading your press carefully. It is all on your
head! :)
Hope you're doing well.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Hey Eric, good to hear from you too mate. I had actually already deleted the
game from floc.net assuming it would be all over soon. I was finally down
to 10 games (including 6 from vgnp tournament) and two I am GM-ing. So what
is going on here? I just took a look at the map.
Have EFR decided to downsize to a 3 way by removing Italy?
Let me know, good to hear it is my fault :-)
Mind you in those days I was having a lot of trouble with my ISP and mail.
It wouldnt surprise me if I did mis something somewhere along the line.
Although I doubt I would have believed you ;-)
Catch you soon in the EOG's.
Tony
Message from Russia to Germany
>Hey Eric, good to hear from you too mate. I had actually already deleted the
>game from floc.net assuming it would be all over soon. I was finally down
>to 10 games (including 6 from vgnp tournament) and two I am GM-ing. So what
>is going on here? I just took a look at the map.
>Have EFR decided to downsize to a 3 way by removing Italy?
Well, Andy decided to help EF stop my solo bid (perhaps aided in part by my
attacking him), and so threw away his defense against Erik. When I was
stalemated, I agreed to help EF to an EFR. Erik misordered, making Mun
vulnerable. So there is an outside chance that I could take advantage of
it, but yes, I think that EFR is still likely.
>Let me know, good to hear it is my fault :-)
To be fair, I only said it was *originally* your fault.
>Mind you in those days I was having a lot of trouble with my ISP and mail.
Oh sure, a likely excuse! :)
>Catch you soon in the EOG's.
Sounds good!
Take care,
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Oh, I misread your note (see below).
>Obviously, I'm not heading to Munich this turn, and you can count on
>Andy being supported there, so I'd recommend taking Venice.
Makes sense. In the long run, it's probably fine to have Ben take Mun once
Andy falls, so do (or don't do) whatever you want around Germany.
>In the
>interests of speeding things up, can you support Rom - Nap?
Yes.
>I'm not too worried about Ben, especially with the build of A Lon, and
>you're in a position to capitalize on any abandonment of Tunis, so I
>think that will keep him in line.
That makes sense tos.
>I'll be out of town through Monday night, but I'll check e-mail
>occasionally. Orders are going in now, set wait.
This is what I misread. I thought you said "Orders are going in now, no
wait". So I didn't bother to respond. I just entered my orders (no wait)
assuming that they'd all process before we talked again.
Sorry for the confusion and resulting lack of response.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to England
> > So, does this count as close to Andy, or
> > do you want to work on a two way?
>Well, right now it would be difficult. Probably I'd need MUN locked up
>*and* you would have to be pretty far behind the line - even then, it may
>not be possible. It would be more interesting if you had fewer southern
>fleets, I think. . .
That was the logic behind building A War and not F Sev, though I don't know
if that was clear. (The fact that A War was also required to seal up my
line had something to do with my choice too, though.)
> > I'm assuming not, but it never hurts to ask.
>Well, 2-way, 3-way, there's not a huge difference. . . I think Erik may
>have done us a favor by accelerating the simplification process, no matter
>how clumsily he may have done it.
:)
>I don't see a safe way to a 2-way right now, but I am a tactical moron,
>hence my forthcoming vgnp bagel.
Well, as I always say, "Better to act like a moron than to act as a moron."
Or something like that. :)
>Let me know if you see something.
"I see London, I see France...."
I think it's all in your hands at the moment. If I have neither Mun nor
Ber, then getting Tun still has me at only 17. That is the focal point for
our current situation. As I see it, your mission, should you decide to
accept it, is to create a position wherein you feel confident that Mun and
Ber will not fall into my hands, even should Erik decide to try and get me
in them.
--- Eric
P.S. No, I am not drunk, though you would not be able to tell from this
message! :)
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> >Well, 2-way, 3-way, there's not a huge difference. . . I think Erik may
> >have done us a favor by accelerating the simplification process, no
matter
> >how clumsily he may have done it.
>
> :)
*sigh*
With Erik in France and Andy in Italy. . . I should have gotten further in
this game.
> >I don't see a safe way to a 2-way right now, but I am a tactical moron,
> >hence my forthcoming vgnp bagel.
>
> Well, as I always say, "Better to act like a moron than to act as a
moron."
> Or something like that. :)
Yes, well, I choose to act like a moron often enough that the distinction
may be blurry. But I make it a point not to act *for* a moron!
> >Let me know if you see something.
>
> "I see London, I see France...."
Your subsequent denial of intoxication is not credible.
> I think it's all in your hands at the moment. If I have neither Mun nor
> Ber, then getting Tun still has me at only 17. That is the focal point for
> our current situation. As I see it, your mission, should you decide to
> accept it, is to create a position wherein you feel confident that Mun and
> Ber will not fall into my hands, even should Erik decide to try and get me
> in them.
Of course, BER is easy - it is done already. MUN is the sticky point. If
you are in SIL/BOH/TYR, then you can bring 3 units against it. So I would
need to be able to support it twice, and BER can be cut, so it would pretty
much have to be KIE and RUH, fashioned in such a way that RUH cannot be
cut. Plus I would have to be *in it* - if Andy were still there I do not
think a team of oxen could get him out. So, that's the hard part.
> P.S. No, I am not drunk, though you would not be able to tell from this
> message! :)
This denial is itself so confusing that it is not credible.
I have written some bad press in my day, when I've been drinking. Do it at
your own peril! ;o)
Ben
Message from Russia to England
> This denial is itself so confusing that it is not credible.
>
> I have written some bad press in my day, when I've been drinking. Do it at
> your own peril! ;o)
:)
No, truly, I was not drunk, though I had just returned from an event called
"Rivers of Chocolate", and so was suffering major sugar-highs!
I also had a lot of dumb sarcasm pent up due to things that I really can't
talk about in detail here, not knowing who is observing our press. :)
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> I also had a lot of dumb sarcasm pent up due to things that I really can't
> talk about in detail here, not knowing who is observing our press. :)
Earlier in this game I was gm'ing a full press (now finished) game
featuring, coincidentally, Tony Vernon. That game got pretty wild & I had
to eject someone - not Tony - for being a hopeless scofflaw.
It was pretty weird separating it out from the discussion here.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
> From: "USTX Diplomacy Judge" <ustx@spencersoft.com>
> Subject: USTX:c2 - S1912M Late Notice: E
Ben,
Odd, but the judge seems to have underlined France's power designation in
this late notice. :)
--- Eric
Message from England to all
Oops! Overlooked a unit. . .
Ben
England: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Army Berlin
England: Fleet Barents Sea SUPPORT Army St Petersburg
England: Fleet Belgium → North Sea
England: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Munich (*void, destroyed*)
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Denmark
England: Army Kiel SUPPORT Italian Army Munich (*void*)
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean CONVOY Army St Petersburg → Smyrna
England: Fleet North Sea → Skagerrak
England: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Italian Army Munich (*void*)
England: Army St Petersburg SUPPORT Russian Army Livonia → Moscow (*void*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris SUPPORT Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Fleet Rome SUPPORT Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea (*cut*)
France: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea
France: Fleet Tuscany SUPPORT Fleet Rome
France: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Rome
Italy: Army Munich → Berlin
Italy: Fleet Naples → Rome (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice SUPPORT Fleet Naples → Rome
Russia: Army Albania → Ionian Sea → Apulia
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Silesia
Russia: Army Budapest → Vienna
Russia: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea
Russia: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Albania → Apulia
Russia: Army Livonia SUPPORT Army Prussia
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army Livonia
Russia: Army Prussia SUPPORT Italian Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Italian Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Fleet Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean
Russia: Army Trieste HOLD
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Piedmont (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Army Prussia
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