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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Sorry to be so silent last season. I doubt it affected moves at all, but I
> don't like losing contact anyway.
Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've settled
into my new position at work.
> So you wanted me to disband and not retreat, right? :)
Seems our messages crossed. . .
> Actually, with the two armies, I can make it pretty painful for you to
take
> both Swe and StP. If you will reconsider your position on taking StP,
> perhaps there's more we can do cooperatively.
I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
> Have fun with the game tomorrow, and let me know your thoughts on the new
> board.
Yes, it seems our messengers crossed paths.
Clearly I am bad at math, and you *do* remove one, which is very good for
our future.
Also - this is not a demand, but I would ask you *not* to assist Erik
against Andy, as that would put me in a very awkward position and in the
long run, I suspect force a simplification of the board and a rather bland
and early EFR.
Ben
p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
Message from Russia to England
>Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've settled
>into my new position at work.
Congrats, I hope, on the new position. What is it?
> > So you wanted me to disband and not retreat, right? :)
>Seems our messages crossed. . .
See my broadcast. I don't think our messages crossed, I think I never got
yours.
>I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
>there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
>Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
That seems reasonable, but I'll reserve promises on (b) until I see how Swe
gets lost (e.g., "is there a fleet in Bar?").
>Also - this is not a demand, but I would ask you *not* to assist Erik
>against Andy, as that would put me in a very awkward position and in the
>long run, I suspect force a simplification of the board and a rather bland
>and early EFR.
That's not my plan. As I see it, anything that antagonizes a neighbor more
than I do is good for business. As long as Erik keeps attacking Andy, I
don't see any reason to cut into Andy's defenses. Now if only I could get
Andy or Erik to pull Jason into their fight. :)
>p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
After reading this I thought maybe I missed an email about Doug's update! :)
No, I agreed to take over managing the "Online" section of the pouch
(http://www.diplom.org/Online) for Manus several months ago. There was some
confusion and I thought I was also taking over the "Email" section and went
in and made changes there. Turns out Doug actually manages that section, so
that was meant as a brief reminder to him. That's the second time I've done
something stupid like that.
I'm interested to see if my JDPR goes up or down with the update. Since the
last update I had one solo and two eliminations. But since two of those
games (the solo and an elimination) had 3 top fifteen players between them,
my "expected" result was probably really low and so I expect the solo to
significantly offset the other two.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to all
I seem to have had some difficulty with email in the last day or so.
Clearly the judge got my Fall movement orders, but I have yet to see a
confirmation for that or for any of the other press I sent to the judge
late yesterday. If you have sent me any messages recently that I have not
responded to, please resend them to me. I seem to be getting judge-mail today.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
> You sure you're fighting the right guy?
An excellent question!
jason
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> >Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've
settled
> >into my new position at work.
>
> Congrats, I hope, on the new position. What is it?
I'm a prosecutor. In Baltimore we staff the city jail 24 hours a day to
charge (or not charge) all arrests in the city. I recently volunteered to
take the night shift for a 6 month rotation - 9 to 9, 2 days on, 3 days
off, with an occasional 1 day on, 4 days off. Basically I will be working
nights 13 of every 25 days, from 9 pm to 9 am, in the city jail.
It's pretty different from the trial work I'd been doing.
> >I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
> >there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
> >Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
>
> That seems reasonable, but I'll reserve promises on (b) until I see how
Swe
> gets lost (e.g., "is there a fleet in Bar?").
Is this specific? *If* no fleet in BAR *then* disband A SWE?
> >p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
>
> After reading this I thought maybe I missed an email about Doug's update!
:)
You did and you didn't. It wasn't an e-mail, it was a post on r.g.d.
Check r.g.d. for the link.
> I'm interested to see if my JDPR goes up or down with the update. Since
the
> last update I had one solo and two eliminations. But since two of those
> games (the solo and an elimination) had 3 top fifteen players between
them,
> my "expected" result was probably really low and so I expect the solo to
> significantly offset the other two.
I'm not going to spoil the surprise, Mr. Fat Cat JDPR. Look it up
yourself, hot shot. ;o)
Ben
Message from Russia to England
>I'm not going to spoil the surprise, Mr. Fat Cat JDPR. Look it up
>yourself, hot shot. ;o)
Okay, half an hour of searching r.g.d, http://obscurestuff, and floc.net,
and I'm still lost. I see that Doug did update the JDPR stats, but I'm not
clear what that has to do with anything. The only vague reference I see to
myself is that I was in "foot", which was a highly rated game. But as I was
eliminated, that doesn't say much.
Ironically, on floc.net my JDPR also seems to have disappeared.
"Perhaps you are not using the same Internet that I am."
Aha. Looking through the complete listing, I think I get the reference now.
Looks like I jumped 150 or so to 1498. Three points low enough to stay
under the "Top 100 All-Time" radar. Probably a good thing reputation-wise.
:) I may well make the Standard and Full-Press Dip lists when they are
upgraded. I have 5 chaos type-games on my record (4 losses and 3/6ths of a
6WD), so in Standard I suspect my score is a smidge higher than my overall.
The 1498 score would be about 40th overall for Full Press Standard if
everyone else stayed about the same.
And I'm still missing that earlier message from you if you'd care to
re-forward it.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Oops! I meant to send this with my last press. Note my poor math skills.
The meat of this press is near the bottom.
> Message sent to Russia:
>
> Message from benjamin.harris@mindspring.com as England to Russia in 'c2':
>
> Eric -
> Well, well, well. Looks like you'll be keeping that F HEL, after all,
> unless I am counting poorly. You can achieve a similar effect by
> disbanding NWY & rebuilding in the south, but I will leave it up to you.
> It's all the same to me, either way, for that unit.
>
> If you keep pressing in the south we could be drifting toward a classic
E/R
> 2WD, and I *know* you are familiar with the art of the 2WD. ;-)
>
> Anyway, nicely played.
>
> Ben
>
> End of message.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric...
You need to change your thinking here a little bit.
I will get back to you in a little while.
Andy
Every normal man must be tempted, at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats"
- H.L.Menken
Message from Italy to Russia
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
there in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Obviously, I'd like to see the fleet in Ska stick around, as I never know
what Ben's up to next. In fact, I'm trying to get him to agree to a build
of F Bre, so it could be more useful that we think. It's up to you,
though. You've clearly got other needs, too.
Erik
Message from Russia to Italy
I'm still waiting to see how I should change my thinking. For now, I've got
disband F Hel entered.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
As much as I'd like to keep F Hel, I don't know that I can hold in both the
north and the south if I do. Unfortunately there was next to zero discussion
over the weekend, so I don't know who's doing what. As a result, I think I
have to continue to assume everyone is attacking me. While I'd love to see F
Bre for personal reasons, you need to keep an eye on Ben as well. With two
builds he could come after me, but could just as easily move south. I know he
and Andy have had close negotiations in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised
if he would be hoping for Andy's help against you if it comes to that.
On my end, sorry about attacking Philippe. I really did want to keep him
around and did so as long as I could. The good news is that I managed to do
it in a way that didn't gain Andy any extra dots. And with Philippe being
gone now, it keeps him from turning on me (so I can still focus energy
towards Andy or Jason).
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
I am resending this to you then....
This spelled out some of but not all of, being more agressive and not more
conservative.
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
Serbia in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from Russia to all
Hmm:
> From: "USTX Diplomacy Judge" <ustx@spencersoft.com>
> [....]
> Adjustment orders for Winter of 1906. (c2.026)
>
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Tyrolia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in the Helgoland
Bight.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Ukraine.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Silesia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in Armenia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Galicia.
Now THAT is a way to motivate getting orders in on time! :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
What, me conservative? :)
Odd, I didn't ever see that message from you. Something still odd with my
email, I guess. That's worrisome.
Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum,
which would cost me a fleet in the south. But you may be right that it's past
time for conservatism.
I'll look your move suggestions over in more detail later, but in general I
can go for being more aggressive.
If I'm going to b chancy, something I might consider in the north is Swe H,
StP-Mos and assume that Swe gets retreated. Ben has suggested not taking StP
(i.e., not moving to Bar) if I agree to disband Swe when it's hit. If he does
move west, and if I disband Swe, it gives me more chances to build in the
south. Of course, I'd be screwed if he moved to StP and didn't hit Swe.
--- Eric
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Helgoland Bight
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Constantinople
Centers
England: 8
France: 7
Italy: 5
Russia: 10
Turkey: 4
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