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Message from Germany to Russia
Let me know your thoughts.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
What do you make of what happened there.
I have some ideas, and I think we might need to take care of a couple of
things.
Andy
Message from England to all
> :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
and find you?
Ben
Message from Italy to all
>
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
> and find you?
I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.
starting tommorow morning
Message to all
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
>Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
>and find you?
I confess. It's me.
;-)
Message from Germany to all
> Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500Will one of you confess to
being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come and find you?>
Well the 18th is my birthday and I was planning on spending all cash
donations on a shopping spree at Harrods in f1903m (in London for the
americans under you ;-). But if the offer is right then I will be willing to
hunt the AWOLér down
Message from Germany to all
>>I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.>>
Try and set a board up as we stand at this moment and ask 7 top players to
make fall move suggestions (backed up by the diploming that needs to be done
first).
p.s. Dont forget to share anything they say
Message to all
> > > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> >Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to
come
> >and find you?
>
> I confess. It's me.
>
> ;-)
>
>
Tony, I am one of those expecting you to broadcast your fall moves!
Message from Germany to all
Hey Jason, I think that it was only you and me who went it alone maybe we
should team up for a 2 way?!... or did you move in accordance with...... ;-)
Message from Russia to France
Interesting move to Pie. I assume that was coordinated with Austria.
To be honest, I don't like it (probably not a surprise to you, and
probably part of why you never mentioned anything about it), but
mainly because with the threat of an AT, I don't like the idea that
Italy may not be able to help distract one or the other of them.
I'm going to be away for a while (I'm the one with the absence) but I
hope we can continue to keep up the communications.
More later.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to all
Yo' -- dere's a lot mora dem grey broadcasts going around agin.
Ceppin' fer Jason "da Kid", we'z all done our five jobs fer Don
Masseyoni an' is made men. We deserve more respect dan dis.
An' tell Ben "da' Shark" dat he don' need ta' send "Snake Eyes" Tony
out on no jobs. I'z da won wat's gonna be dealin' wit family bizness
fer a bit.
--- Tzarface
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"Ben, I'm the one who requested the absence. --- Eric"
Message from Russia to England
What an ugly looking opening for me! Turkey coming after me, Austria
an unknown, France hitting Italy (which would typically be the only
southern country with a vested interest in seeing me alive), and then
I have an absence upcoming. Oh well. I hope given my completely
inoffensive presence in the north that you will follow through with
the promise of fleet Nwy. I can only take so much disappointment! :)
So it looks like in the north I am going to be very reactionary. With
luck I'll get Swe, because unless I'm misreading things Rum is
unlikely to fall in my hands.
It looks like things with you and France are going okay, in the sense
that Eng was uncontested and he's focused south, so I think things
are looking good from your point of view.
What are your thoughts at this point?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
Congratulations for winning the "most valuable ally" award. I read
Turkey's moves as a clear signal he's looking for an AT alliance. And
while I expect that you have encouraged that thinking, I hope and
expect that you are a good enough player to know that you aren't the
one that is stuck and without options.
I got numerous warnings that other players sensed an AT was coming. I
was strongly worried about it myself, given the casual, "I'd rather
not talk details" I got from both you and Jason. But I stuck to the
DMZ, because I would like to work with you as we've discussed. I hear
a lot that you have been worried about Andy (and therefor I assume
you have been worried about RI), but with Andy hamstrung by France
(something I assume you arranged) and me hamstrung by Turkey, I hope
you feel more comfortable that RA vs. T doesn't need to put you in
any danger from Italy. And the prospect of both Turkey and I building
fleets that face each other should also give you a sense of security.
I'm going to leave this a fairly brief statement that I'm obviously
very willing to cooperate with you (got work to do). I'm hoping that
you were serious when talking about working with me, and that we can
cooperate still.
I'm the one that has the long absence, so I'm here today and tomorrow
before disappearing for a while.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
>Let me know your thoughts.
Thought #1 is that I would very much like Sweden! France's move to
Pie is a complete surprise to me, and I can see it meaning a few
things, but none that are good for me. In any case, I assume that I'm
seeing AT cooperation, and am just hoping that Austria is going for
Gre and Ser and not planning to support Turkey to Rum. I haven't
heard from Philippe yet, so don't have any info there. The good news
is that he did not violate the DMZ of Gal, so maybe he wasn't in on
it.
In the north EF are being very trustful of one another, so that's not
good for you. On the chance that I'm seeing an AT formed against me,
and that you may not want to see Austria get big real fast (Italy and
I could fall quickly) I wouldn't mind seeing you pick up three builds
and send an army my way (Mun-Tys/Mun-Boh) if things go really badly
for me. It's a little early to ask for that, but I'd like to discuss
it now to get a sense of whether it's a possibility in your mind
should an AT get rolling quickly.
That's it for now.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
So, what made you do it? I can understand that at some point you've
got to make a decision to attack one way or the other, but I don't
understand why you would decide to attack me without any real
negotiations. From my point of view, every time I've asked you to
talk with me about our options, you've said "let's see how it goes
and talk later." That implies to me that you made up your mind to
attack me early on, without really considering me as an option.
There's lots of reasons for me to want to cooperate with you, and
while your moves are going to make me quite cautious about you, you
haven't yet done anything that commits us to fighting each other. I
really encourage you to at least consider working with me.
Given that France has designs on Italy, you need to get west quickly
if you're going to establish the necessary defensive position to hold
on long term. Clearly Austria is not going to give you many Balkan
centers, and it's not realistic for him to give you many Russian ones
either -- Sev and Mos at best, and that assumes that you two are
cooperating, Austria doesn't stab you for Rum/Bul, and I fall
relatively quickly.
You've got the drop on me, so I'm motivated to be flexible in
negotiations. I promise I'm not going to be a pushover if you press
the attack on me, but I really hope that us fighting is not a
foregone conclusion.
Also, I am the one who requested the absence, so don't read anything
into it when I suddenly go silent this weekend. I'll be back online
towards the end of next week to continue whatever discussions we
start now.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Italy
After comments 1, I keep thinking I should be sending press for you
to Austria. I really hope I don't end up screwing that up!
Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
Perhaps creating EF cooperation in the north was too successful.
Hopefully I'll have a choice of E and G. Germany's move to Ruh makes
me doubt there's an immediate western triple, but I'm not sure there.
I guess DMZing Gal was also not the best choice. It looks a lot like
AT cooperation in the south, though Austria is not as committed as
Turkey. If we assume Austria attacks Tri and is happy with Ser,
Turkey's probably going get supported to Rum, while cutting Sev. That
makes for an interesting decision on my part. I'm not quite sure yet
how to proceed, but clearly I've got to figure a way to break AT
apart.
If all the above is true, then Ion-Gre might be an interesting
gamble. F Gre does very little good in the short term, but it forces
AT to use two units to press it. It also would help me break into Rum
if AT cooperation continues. If you can want to be really risky, you
could try to negotiate the safety of Ven and then order Apu-Ion-Gre.
Fantastic if successful, horrid otherwise!
If Germany allows me Sweden, I've got some maneuvering room. If he
doesn't I'm not sure what I'll do. I've got some initial thoughts,
but would like to hear your input before sharing my thinking on how I
should respond.
The AFT moves are definitely going to make RI coordination difficult
for a while. The first questions are how confident do we feel that
it's serious and something we need to negotiate our way through, and
the second is how risky a response do we want to make. (See above for
my example of the kind of thing that constitutes a risky response).
We need to talk a lot. I'm the one that's away next week, so we may
have to wait until late in the week to coordinate.
Good luck either way.
--- Tzarface
Message from England to Russia
Mr. Face -
> What an ugly looking opening for me! Turkey coming after me, Austria
> an unknown, France hitting Italy (which would typically be the only
> southern country with a vested interest in seeing me alive), and then
> I have an absence upcoming. Oh well. I hope given my completely
> inoffensive presence in the north that you will follow through with
> the promise of fleet Nwy. I can only take so much disappointment! :)
Well I can assure you of F NWY. So I hope that is some good news.
> So it looks like in the north I am going to be very reactionary. With
> luck I'll get Swe, because unless I'm misreading things Rum is
> unlikely to fall in my hands.
I will support you into SWE in the spring after you are bounced out in the
fall, is my guess. Anyway *if* you are bounced this season I will take care
of it in the next.
> It looks like things with you and France are going okay, in the sense
> that Eng was uncontested and he's focused south, so I think things
> are looking good from your point of view.
Well I guess things are going ok for me. I was surprised at the G/F moves &
things may end up being pretty wild in the west. We'll see.
> What are your thoughts at this point?
I think you are probably right about an A/T. I wonder what the destiny of
Greece is.
Good luck in these troubled times.
Ben
Message from Austria to Russia
> Congratulations for winning the "most valuable ally" award. I read
> Turkey's moves as a clear signal he's looking for an AT alliance. And
> while I expect that you have encouraged that thinking, I hope and
> expect that you are a good enough player to know that you aren't the
> one that is stuck and without options.
I read the situation the same way, except that I'm not the
type to believe that someone ever run out of options.
> I got numerous warnings that other players sensed an AT was coming. I
> was strongly worried about it myself, given the casual, "I'd rather
> not talk details" I got from both you and Jason. But I stuck to the
> DMZ, because I would like to work with you as we've discussed. I hear
Glad that you did and it's now easy to see why I didn't
want to discuss details. If Turkey had opened Ank-Con,
I would have been more interested in talking about RT
problems then how to split up Turkey or any specific
tactic that didn't fit the board anymore.
> a lot that you have been worried about Andy (and therefor I assume
> you have been worried about RI), but with Andy hamstrung by France
> (something I assume you arranged) and me hamstrung by Turkey, I hope
> you feel more comfortable that RA vs. T doesn't need to put you in
> any danger from Italy. And the prospect of both Turkey and I building
> fleets that face each other should also give you a sense of security.
Just so you know, I had nothing to do with France going
to Pie. In fact, this move has started an interesting
discussion between AGI that ended up with Germany
writing alot of weird stuff, some of wich I expect other
players to received.
> I'm going to leave this a fairly brief statement that I'm obviously
> very willing to cooperate with you (got work to do). I'm hoping that
> you were serious when talking about working with me, and that we can
> cooperate still.
Good to know and I sure was.
> I'm the one that has the long absence, so I'm here today and tomorrow
> before disappearing for a while.
Obviously, there's alot going on and it will take some
time to figure out what's really happening; but if we
haven't had enough time before you leave, we will
simply continue when you come back. When are
you suppose to be back?
Philippe.
P.-S. Just so you know, while I try to reply quickly
to messages, it's not always possible given my internet
access.
Message from Germany to Russia
Hello TzarFace,
> Thought #1 is that I would very much like Sweden!>
I can follow and understand that thought.
>France's move to Pie is a complete surprise to me>
I think it was for France too in hindsight.
>I can see it meaning a few things, but none that are good for me. In any
case, I assume that I'm
> seeing AT cooperation>
I am assuming I see an FA (this would explain PIE) and possible AT
cooperation.
But if AT is the case then why didnt Austria move on GAL? Or was he unsure
of Turkey's alliance?
If he would have moved on GAL then you would really be in trouble.
> and am just hoping that Austria is going for Gre and Ser and not planning
to support Turkey to Rum.>
Thats what it looks like (bul - rum).
Probably accompanied with a move to GAL. He may allow Italy to convoy to GRE
(if he doesnt have a pact with France. But then how do we explain PIE)
Turkey can move on BLA and use ARM to cut SEV support, this would allow
Turkey to take RUM. If you order sev - rum supported by ukr and bounce arm -
sev then he at least gets the BLA. EIther way you are in trouble thre if AT
are working together.
Austria obviously didnt trust Italy to the full hence the bounce in VEN.
He may even have an alliance with France. That would explain the move to
PIE. They have two units on VEN. coincidence? Maybe Philippe was playing
safe and waiting to see if France and Turkay came through.
>I haven't heard from Philippe yet, so don't have any info there. The good
news is that he did not violate the DMZ of Gal, so maybe he wasn't in on
it.>
See above, maybe we was just awaiting the outcome of the spring and to see
if the agreements he had with FT came about. He wouldnt want to attack you
without being sure he had Turkey on his side.
> In the north EF are being very trustful of one another, so that's not
> good for you.>
Well I had a DMZ agreement with France which he kept. England had än "I will
wait and see attitude".
But I admit it doesnt look good for me.
France is to pick up Two builds, England may convoy to NWY or bounce me in
HOL or BEL.
>On the chance that I'm seeing an AT formed against me, and that you may
not want to see Austria get big real fast (Italy and I could fall quickly)
I wouldn't mind seeing you pick up three builds and send an army my way
(Mun-Tys/Mun-Boh) if things go really badly for me.>
I will be going for 3 seen as the situation calls for it, I only expect to
pick up one of them.
> It's a little early to ask for that, but I'd like to discuss it now to get
a sense of whether it's a possibility in your mind
should an AT get rolling quickly.>
Its certainly possible. I would also like to look at me being able to
support you to Norway. I could go to SKA next spring to help achieve this.
> That's it for now.>
I would like to ask one thing. If you are facing AT (i would find it very
strange if Turkey moved on his own).
What will you be doing with MOS? if AT are against you then you wont be
picking up RUM.
This leaves UKR to cover WAR should Austria move to GAL. You pick up sweden
so get a build (WAR).
MOS could move to STP in support of me for next year and for your next
build.
With you in sweden then this ensures two units on NWY for next year. I can
cut support from the NTH.
When I get to SKA there will be three against two so you will take NWY.
I fear I may be facing an EF alliance next spring. I would have enough units
to help out in the WAR area if need be.
Let me know.
Message from Russia to England
>I wonder what the destiny of Greece is.
I'd say that's 16K of the $64,000 question down here. I've asked a
couple of people, but no one's answered yet.
Hey, I never congratulated you on your ex-teams' fabulous (though
referee-aided) victory on Monday. While watching all my teams suck
rocks, it was kinda' fun to see the ex-Baltimore Colts with that
miraculous comeback. I know it's hard to understand why I would take
any pleasure in Tampa Bay's defense getting toasted big time, but
there you have it.
I appreciate the offer of support into Swe if needed. Since Rum is
unlikely, I'm likely to be cap-in-hand looking for dots in the short
term!
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Austria
>[...]except that I'm not the type to believe that someone ever run
>out of options.
True. I meant more that he's put a pretty strong stake in the ground.
With your moves, you could still try for Gre, help either of us with
Rum, or take Gal. He has to do some fancy footwork to get into a
position to be able to threaten you, or be able to work with me.
Maybe he's up to it, but it's a hard starting point for RT relations.
>Just so you know, I had nothing to do with France going
>to Pie. In fact, this move has started an interesting
>discussion between AGI that ended up with Germany
>writing alot of weird stuff, some of wich I expect other
>players to received.
Interesting. I mean, obviously you had SOMETHING to do with it,
because I think everyone on the board knew that you were bouncing
Ven, so it was inferable that France could safely attack Pie. Doesn't
bode so well for Germany, as it seems to signal an EF. And your
protestations aside, most of the board is convinced there's an AF as
well.
>I'm hoping that
> > you were serious when talking about working with me, and that we can
> > cooperate still.
>
>Good to know and I sure was.
Good. I'll be in and out today and perhaps tomorrow preparing for
travel. We can communicate as best as possible during that time and
when I return.
>Obviously, there's alot going on and it will take some
>time to figure out what's really happening; but if we
>haven't had enough time before you leave, we will
>simply continue when you come back. When are
>you suppose to be back?
I expect to be back no later than Friday, but that's not for sure,
hence the extension request to the following Monday (that, plus I
don't know how much people will be around on the weekend).
>Just so you know, while I try to reply quickly
>to messages, it's not always possible given my internet
>access.
Trust me, I understand. It isn't so much my internet connection,
though, as it is sudden spurts of real-life activity.
--- Tzarface
Message to all
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Message from Russia to Germany
> >France's move to Pie is a complete surprise to me
>
>I think it was for France too in hindsight.
:) Austria says he didn't push for it. I told him that whether he did
or not, people are going to expect that he did.
>>I can see it meaning a few things, but none that are good for me. In any
>>case, I assume that I'm seeing AT cooperation
>
>I am assuming I see an FA (this would explain PIE) and possible AT
>cooperation.
I agree. I also think that Philippe has done a good job of making
himself the non-aggressive partner in each pairing. There's still
hope that I can work with Austria, so I haven't given up yet.
>But if AT is the case then why didnt Austria move on GAL? Or was he unsure
>of Turkey's alliance? If he would have moved on GAL then you would
>really be in trouble.
My thinking is that:
1) He wanted to see Turkey commit.
2) It gives him the flexibility to choose between R and T as allies
3) He's more worried about getting established than immediately
attacking me. If he went to Gal, he would get only one build. Had
France not hit Italy, Austria'd be sure to create an RI in that case.
>Either way you are in trouble thre if AT are working together.
We're in agreement there.
>[Austria] may even have an alliance with France. That would explain
>the move to PIE. They have two units on VEN. coincidence? Maybe
>Philippe was playing safe and waiting to see if France and Turkay
>came through.
As noted above, I think the board picture points to all of these things.
>France is to pick up Two builds, England may convoy to NWY or bounce me in
>HOL or BEL.
Or both!
>I will be going for 3 seen as the situation calls for it, I only expect to
>pick up one of them.
>
>Its [Mun going south] certainly possible. I would also like to look
>at me being able to support you to Norway. I could go to SKA next
>spring to help achieve this.
And then I could help you into the Nth, which in the end helps both of us.
>I would like to ask one thing. If you are facing AT (i would find it very
>strange if Turkey moved on his own). What will you be doing with
>MOS? if AT are against you then you wont be picking up RUM. This
>leaves UKR to cover WAR should Austria move to GAL. You pick up
>sweden so get a build (WAR).MOS could move to STP in support of me
>for next year and for your next build.
I am considering this, but I will be honest with you: I am very
concerned about leaving my southern front too wide open. What I am
really thinking is that I will use Mos to backup Sev. If I don't get
Rum, then with Arm and Bla, I need Mos in order to hold Sev against
Turkey (since A Gal can cut support from Ukr. So I will probably keep
Mos in the south. If I get one build, it will probably go into War,
as you suggest. If I get two, I would put one in War to protect Gal,
and one in StP to work with you.
Basically it comes down to this: I can live with losing StP to an
English fleet (if we attack Swe-Nwy) and still have a presence in
this game, but I don't know that I can lose Sev to an AT alliance and
still survive.
>When I get to SKA there will be three against two so you will take NWY.
>I fear I may be facing an EF alliance next spring. I would have enough units
>to help out in the WAR area if need be.
Ah. That is a good point. I will still expect to keep Mos in the
south for now, but if you get enough units to help me with War, then
I can at least consider building in StP instead of in War.
>Let me know.
It will be largely dependent on what AT say and do. As noted, I'm not
likely to move to StP, but I will consider putting the build from Swe
into StP. The best thing you could do is convince Austria to side
with me, in which case I can take Rum, put a unit in StP to get you
the Nth, and still have influence in the south.
--- Tzarface
Message from England to Russia
Mr. Face -
> Hey, I never congratulated you on your ex-teams' fabulous (though
> referee-aided) victory on Monday. While watching all my teams suck
> rocks, it was kinda' fun to see the ex-Baltimore Colts with that
> miraculous comeback. I know it's hard to understand why I would take
> any pleasure in Tampa Bay's defense getting toasted big time, but
> there you have it.
(a) We in Baltimore do not have any relationship to the Indianapolis Colts. It is just another team.
(b) Nobody likes Tampa Bay. This is because Warren Sapp is a loud-mouthed thug.
(c) Last year we lost a game when we had the same flag ("leverage"? Is that what it was?) thrown *two times* on *consecutive misses* of the *same damned kick.* So it's not like it's never happened, and it's also not like it's never happened when it counted. It's a rule and sometimes they throw that flag. Too bad for us last year. Too bad for Tampa this year, though I think everyone agrees they should *never* have been in overtime.
> I appreciate the offer of support into Swe if needed. Since Rum is
> unlikely, I'm likely to be cap-in-hand looking for dots in the short
> term!
Agreed.
Ben
Message from Turkey to all
I only move in accordance with the voices in my head....
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
I understand your frustration, but from my perspective AT is way better
than Rt. For that matter, you didn't exactly move in a standard Rt
formation, either! Keeping your armies in the south makes it seem that
you were headed my way.
I'm always willing to negotiate, so let me know how you're prefer to
proceed.
jason
Message from Austria to Russia
> True. I meant more that he's put a pretty strong stake in the ground.
> With your moves, you could still try for Gre, help either of us with
> Rum, or take Gal. He has to do some fancy footwork to get into a
> position to be able to threaten you, or be able to work with me.
> Maybe he's up to it, but it's a hard starting point for RT relations.
Just to make sure, you don't actually expect me to support
you in Rum now? In an AR alliance, you need a fleet in Rum,
not an army, and Ukr can easily support Sev-Rum while Mos
cover Sev.
> Interesting. I mean, obviously you had SOMETHING to do with it,
> because I think everyone on the board knew that you were bouncing
> Ven, so it was inferable that France could safely attack Pie. Doesn't
> bode so well for Germany, as it seems to signal an EF. And your
> protestations aside, most of the board is convinced there's an AF as
> well.
I didn't see Tri-Ven as a call for Mar-Pie, but if most of the
board thing so, there's not much I can do about it. I suppose
we will have to wait for the fall's moves for people to get this
out of their head.
Philippe
Message from Russia to Russia
>Message from jasonab@acm.org as Turkey to Russia in 'c2':
>
>I understand your frustration, but from my perspective AT is way better
>than Rt. For that matter, you didn't exactly move in a standard Rt
>formation, either! Keeping your armies in the south makes it seem that
>you were headed my way.
>
>I'm always willing to negotiate, so let me know how you're prefer to
>proceed.
Lovely.
I hope this is just a bunch of bullsh*t meant to confuse me. What a
crappy player to land next to. He comes in thinking auto-alliance, is
afraid of me for doing what he asked me to do, is unwilling to
negotiate anything but a bounce in the Bla, and worse thinks he
actually is very flexible and "always willing to negotiate".
Regardless, makes it clear that honoring the DMZ in Gal was the right
decision to make.
I just want to smack this guy. I'm going off to do some work and
count to ten a few times before responding.
Thank you all for your time. We'll just keep a tab running and I'll
reimburse you all for the counseling later.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
>from my perspective AT is way better than Rt.
On what basis do you say this? Did you come into the game with
essentially an auto-alliance of AT in mind?
By writing "Rt" rather than "RT" I assume you are implying that RT is
always in Russia's favor. But RT does not require Turkey to be a
junior partner. And that's what negotiation allows addressing .
>I understand your frustration,
To be honest, I don't think you do. I don't like that you chose AT
over RT, but that's disappointing, not frustrating. What's
frustrating is that you have some personal notion of what it means to
have an RT, and you have decided that that idea, whatever it is, must
be what mine is, and it must be bad for you compared to what you
think an AT is.
But I don't have preconceived notions about what RT cooperation is
other than us agreeing to moves that we think will benefit us both
and allow us both to move west quickly. I have no idea what you think
makes RT bad for Turkey -- even after your message saying that it is
-- so I don't know how to offer an arrangement that works better for
you. From my perspective, it's like you came in to play a no press
game with me, and that's what's frustrating.
>For that matter, you didn't exactly move in a standard Rt formation, either!
This is circular reasoning. You specifically asked, several times,
that I not do anything that looked like there was RT cooperation.
Please don't try to make me out as being antagonistic for following
your request.
>Keeping your armies in the south makes it seem that you were headed my way.
The "standard" method through which Russia attacks Turkey is to take
Rum with a fleet, build F Sev, then take Bla, Arm and Ank with those
fleets. A Mos is irrelevant to that sequence, and can just as easily
be built in 1903 as put there in 1901. The only reason A Mos is
useful is as defense for Sev in case Turkish puts an army in Arm. It
has the added flexibility of being able to defend War if Austria goes
to Gal, which is important to me, though largely irrelevant to your
concerns.
>I'm always willing to negotiate, so let me know how you're prefer to proceed.
I hope I explained this above, but in case it's not clear, I'd like
to know why it is that RT is Rt in your mind. Knowing this, we can
talk about ways to make it into an actual RT and work together.
Without knowing this, I don't know what I can offer in terms of
arrangements or concessions that will make a difference.
--- Tzarface
Message from Turkey to Russia
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
In the end, I decided that for the moment working with Austria would be
a better move for me. That doens't rule out ever working with you, and
in fact I have a good idea of when I'd like to work with you again. With
England heading for a northern attack, I suspect you'll need friends in
the future.
As to my circular reasoning, I was merely pointing out that not moving
to Gal (and forcing a bounce) allows Austria more leverage against RT.
jason
Message from Italy to all
Good Morning...
I owe almost all of you press. Sorry about that, i was without access all
weekend.
It will be coming out shortly.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> After comments 1, I keep thinking I should be sending press for you
> to Austria. I really hope I don't end up screwing that up!
That would be bad.
> Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
> more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
> to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
> the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
> so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
Philippe is in Austria, Erik is in France.
And he is blaming it all on Tony....and I am inclined to believe him.
> Perhaps creating EF cooperation in the north was too successful.
> Hopefully I'll have a choice of E and G. Germany's move to Ruh makes
> me doubt there's an immediate western triple, but I'm not sure there.
Exactly....I am betting that the Turks moves are Tony's doing as well.
> I guess DMZing Gal was also not the best choice. It looks a lot like
> AT cooperation in the south, though Austria is not as committed as
> Turkey. If we assume Austria attacks Tri and is happy with Ser,
> Turkey's probably going get supported to Rum, while cutting Sev. That
> makes for an interesting decision on my part. I'm not quite sure yet
> how to proceed, but clearly I've got to figure a way to break AT
> apart.
What can I do to help
> If all the above is true, then Ion-Gre might be an interesting
> gamble. F Gre does very little good in the short term, but it forces
> AT to use two units to press it. It also would help me break into Rum
> if AT cooperation continues. If you can want to be really risky, you
> could try to negotiate the safety of Ven and then order Apu-Ion-Gre.
> Fantastic if successful, horrid otherwise!
Im not attacking GRE this fall, I want my build
> If Germany allows me Sweden, I've got some maneuvering room.
I doubt it.
If he
> doesn't I'm not sure what I'll do. I've got some initial thoughts,
> but would like to hear your input before sharing my thinking on how I
> should respond.
Well....I dont know. YOu are in a serious spot.
> The AFT moves are definitely going to make RI coordination difficult
> for a while. The first questions are how confident do we feel that
> it's serious and something we need to negotiate our way through, and
> the second is how risky a response do we want to make. (See above for
> my example of the kind of thing that constitutes a risky response).
Well....the French claim they are going to back out. But I wont know til
Fall.
The Austrian claims he doesnt know what to make of the move to Piedmont,
and was unaware of it.
> We need to talk a lot. I'm the one that's away next week, so we may
> have to wait until late in the week to coordinate.
That we can do....
Take care and travel safe
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
Sorry I didn't respond before I left on my break. Oddly, my pacbell mail
account classified your message as spam, so I didn't see it until I looked
more closely, even though it arrived before I left for my break.
>Just to make sure, you don't actually expect me to support
>you in Rum now? In an AR alliance, you need a fleet in Rum,
>not an army, and Ukr can easily support Sev-Rum while Mos
>cover Sev.
No, I don't truly expect you to support me in Rum at the moment. Though it
would be helpful (it would allow me to self bounce in Sev, which makes
guessing about what Arm is going to do less complicated) I can see that
it's not in your best interest. At the same time, I would like to know that
you are not going to contest me taking Rum, either by supporting Bul-Rum or
by accepting Turkey's support there yourself. Obviously building F Sev and
cementing an RA is now my primary focus; but I'd like to know that I'm
getting the build that will let me commit to it.
> > [...]And your
> > protestations aside, most of the board is convinced there's an AF as
> > well.
>
>I didn't see Tri-Ven as a call for Mar-Pie, but if most of the
>board thing so, there's not much I can do about it. I suppose
>we will have to wait for the fall's moves for people to get this
>out of their head.
I wasn't trying to accuse you, just letting you know that I was getting
comments about this from others.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Russia
>I hope this is just a bunch of bullsh*t meant to confuse me. What a
>crappy player to land next to....
The funny thing is that most of the time I spent thinking about Dip on my
time off was thinking "that was an unnecessarily harsh message" (even
though I didn't send it to Jason directly) rather than figuring out how I
wanted to respond to the very potential AT. Gotta work on my priorities!
If the commentators haven't already discussed it to death, I'd like to hear
people's thoughts about whether an AR DMZ in Gal is inherently a bad thing
for an RT.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
> > Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
> > more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
> > to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
> > the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
> > so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
>
>Philippe is in Austria, Erik is in France.
Doh! I meant Erik, not Philippe.
>What can I do to help [with AT]
Well, that's a damned good question. Turkey seems intent on attacking me
for now, so anything you can do to make that seem like a bad idea for him
will be good for both of us. Likewise, anything you can do that will get
Austria to move towards an AR would be good. Don't know how much leverage
you have in either place. What's your sense of Austria's plans at this point?
>Well....I dont know [in terms of move advice]. You are in a serious spot.
Yup, that's how I see it as well. As I see it, I've got two choices: go
full bore assuming there's an AR and hoping I don't get gutted by Austria,
or get defensive assuming an AT is already fixed, which would give me more
breathing room if I'm correct, but would likely create the AT if it isn't
already in place.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
>In the end, I decided that for the moment working with Austria would be
>a better move for me. That doens't rule out ever working with you, and
>in fact I have a good idea of when I'd like to work with you again. With
>England heading for a northern attack, I suspect you'll need friends in
>the future.
From my point of view I need friends in the present. If you are just
waiting until I get "desperate", you don't have anything to wait for! The
only reason I haven't been negotiating specific moves with you is because I
have read your messages as stating that you are committed to attacking me
for the short term. So I've been focused on getting you to see that there
are options for us to cooperate. If you are worried about my fleet, I can
look to disband it. If you want to see a stronger front against Austria, I
can do that. But not while you are in the middle of attacking me.
Again, I'd rather find friends now than later. At the moment, you are the
only person who is obviously attacking me. Assuming you continue to attack
me for several seasons, it's risky to think I'll be more disposed to work
with you after you've held me still long enough for AEG to pile on, rather
than working to help someone else (presumedly Austria) against you.
>As to my circular reasoning, I was merely pointing out that not moving
>to Gal (and forcing a bounce) allows Austria more leverage against RT.
I told you I was looking at negotiating a DMZ in Gal. If that was an issue
to you against an RT, I'dve appreciated a heads up. It was not obviously a
bad thing for an RT to me, especially given that you wanted to hide any RT
cooperation. The point of telling you I was talking about it was to give
you an opportunity to tell me it could be a problem. It was not meant as a
"there's going to be a DMZ, deal with it" communication.
So again I'm having trouble understanding what you are looking to
accomplish. What is it that you think I'll be willing to do if England is
attacking me that you think I won't be willing to do now?
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to all
Greetings all,
While I'm still technically on vacation, I'm back with net access again. I
have a few minutes to write press before we're out to run errands, so I
might not get to send all the press I'd like, but I'm generally available
again. Sorry for the delay.
--- Tzarface
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
My apologies for not writing earlier, but I knew you were out of town and
thought I'd just get back to you on your return.
Here's the story: the move to Piedmont was part of a larger plan that,
for a variety of reasons, didn't materialize. Germany was supposed to
open strongly against you, and when it did so, England and I were
prepared to take advantage of his overextension and swoop in for the
kill. I couldn't tell you during the opening negotiations because we
needed Germany to push far enough in your direction to get him
overextended, and defensive moves on your part might have spoiled that.
There was no coordination with Austria; in fact, he was skeptical of
taking any action against Italy. If anything, I had suspected the Italy
would be coming west toward me as part of an AI alliance. As it turns
out, they're not in cahoots, but they also don't trust each other one
lick.
So now England and I are trying to figure out what to do about Germany,
who opened in the least expected (but also most likely, in retrospect)
way. I wouldn't worry too much about England headed north; that opening,
like mine to Italy, was a red herring. He may have already informed you
of this, for all I know. If we're really lucky, England and Germany will
bump heads in Holland or Belgium now and leave you and I in a situation
of advantage.
I have no idea what the move to Armenia was all about. I've asked Turkey,
but he doesn't like to reply with more than a sentence at a time.
Drop me a line when you get this and let me know where you're at. I'd
like to see if we can get on the same page with EG before I make final
plans with them.
Erik
Message from Italy to Russia
> >What can I do to help [with AT]
>
> Well, that's a damned good question. Turkey seems intent on attacking me
> for now, so anything you can do to make that seem like a bad idea for him
> will be good for both of us. Likewise, anything you can do that will get
> Austria to move towards an AR would be good. Don't know how much leverage
> you have in either place. What's your sense of Austria's plans at this point?
I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me when
I am going to attack Turkey.
> >Well....I dont know [in terms of move advice]. You are in a serious spot.
>
> Yup, that's how I see it as well. As I see it, I've got two choices: go
> full bore assuming there's an AR and hoping I don't get gutted by Austria,
> or get defensive assuming an AT is already fixed, which would give me more
> breathing room if I'm correct, but would likely create the AT if it isn't
> already in place.
Take the breathing room, but dont be surprised at all if Galacia is
occupied in the fall.
Andy
Message from Germany to Russia
Good luck down south. I hope from the build in sweden you will consider a
fleet up north. I hope to be supporting you into NWY next year.
Message from Austria to Russia
> Sorry I didn't respond before I left on my break. Oddly, my pacbell mail
> account classified your message as spam, so I didn't see it until I looked
> more closely, even though it arrived before I left for my break.
Hope it won't happen too often.
> No, I don't truly expect you to support me in Rum at the moment. Though it
> would be helpful (it would allow me to self bounce in Sev, which makes
> guessing about what Arm is going to do less complicated) I can see that
> it's not in your best interest. At the same time, I would like to know that
> you are not going to contest me taking Rum, either by supporting Bul-Rum or
> by accepting Turkey's support there yourself. Obviously building F Sev and
> cementing an RA is now my primary focus; but I'd like to know that I'm
> getting the build that will let me commit to it.
OK. While it could be helpfull to support you, you must know
that Greece & Serbia are too tasty to pass up.
> I wasn't trying to accuse you, just letting you know that I was getting
> comments about this from others.
Yeah, I see that Tony's pretty good at making others believe
what he want.
Philippe
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
I have some good news, which is that Tony will probably not be bouncing you
out of Sweden. He could be lying but I do not know why he would.
He has also been pushing hard to convince me to convoy the army into Norway.
I have told him no. Just something to bear in mind in your dealings with
him.
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
>I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me
>when I am going to attack Turkey.
I think you are probably correct, though obviously he'd be asking
about when you will attack Turkey whether he's with you or against
you.
Wish me luck, and consider me to have done the same for you.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Thanks for the followup. As it turns out, I lied in my broadcast. I
was subsequently unavailable all weekend, and only just now got a
chance to check my mail.
I understand your logic about the opening. If you can get Germany to
open against me, especially with a friendly England, I can see how
that can't be passed up.
I haven't heard the warm fuzzies you've shared about England. FWIW,
Turkey is convinced he is going to put the army into Nwy and come
after me.
I'm on a short deadline here, without much time to respond to press,
so will keep this brief. I'll try to be online right before the
deadline if there's anything critical you want to pass along. (It's
not looking like I'm going to have much to pass along myself.)
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Russia
Dear Diary,
Terrible time to get so busy, but real life comes first. Then again,
with my recent games and performance to this point, time to negotiate
may well not make much difference.
I'm going to make a bet that there is an AT and move defensively:
Ukr-Gal, Mos-Ukr, Sev-Bla. Sort of a Russian hedgehog. Will serve to
piss off Austria if he's not already against me, but given my
feelings about Austria that seems my best bet. If he had said he
wasn't going to deny me Rum I might still have gone defensive, but I
tried to be very clear that I wanted him to tell me that wasn't
happening, and unless there's a language issue (which doesn't seem to
be the case) he sidestepped my question.
(I'm also be counting on Turkey moving Ank-Bla or it'll be REALLY ugly!)
May also mean that I end up thrown in bed with Germany in the north
(to keep him from joining in on me). We'll see. It'd be ironic, but a
good indication of skill on Tony's part, to end up in the position I
wanted to avoid from the beginning.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to England
I don't know if I owe you press at this point. My apologies for the
silence. After my broadcast, I've been away, and am only now grabbing
a few minutes on the lunch break.
As things are going it looks like discussing the sporting events of
the last week would be more enjoyable than going over move options,
but don't have much time for either.
Anything we need to talk about? I'm still counting on that F Nwy and
the army going into the lower country so I can work with you!
--- Eric
Message from Master to all
Players,
Since mail to and from the judge has been running extremely slow over
the past several days, I'm extending the deadline.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from England to Russia
Mr. Face -
Welcome back from your vacation.
I will be landing in Norway with a fleet, as promised.
I am exceedingly curious to know what you've been hearing from Andy. As
far as I can tell, he's on good terms with *all* his neighbors, so
something will have to give. . .
Anyway, welcome back.
Ben
Message from Italy to all
Folks....we have had more than enough time to put these bloody orders
in....
If you have wait set....get rid of it.
If you havent put your orders in yet......get with the program, its taken
19 days to play 1 season...and its been 13 days since Spring 01 processed,
this is not rocket science...noone has more than 4 units on the board.
rant off.
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Thanks for the reply. Looks like we've got a little more time to catch up
here.
I am doing what I can to ensure that England doesn't come north after you.
I need him firmly entrenched against Tony, and I need Tony butting heads
with him.
Did Tony talk to you about going after England last week? I'm trying to
figure how much bull he's slinging in his mail to me.
Erik
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> >I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me
> >when I am going to attack Turkey.
>
> I think you are probably correct, though obviously he'd be asking
> about when you will attack Turkey whether he's with you or against
> you.
Yeah....good point....I just want this turn to process...there has been a
month to put orders in...Im starting to get bored...and that is bad.
>
> Wish me luck, and consider me to have done the same for you.
>
consider it done...and thank you
Andy
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> I don't know if I owe you press at this point. My apologies for the
> silence. After my broadcast, I've been away, and am only now grabbing
> a few minutes on the lunch break.
I suspect you've gotten my press since you sent this one, but perhaps not.
Confounded Judge!
> As things are going it looks like discussing the sporting events of
> the last week would be more enjoyable than going over move options,
> but don't have much time for either.
Raiders are giving the Chiefs almost all they can handle, right now. 10-3
Chiefs with 8 minutes to go in the 4th.
> Anything we need to talk about? I'm still counting on that F Nwy and
> the army going into the lower country so I can work with you!
The army in the low country will probably be bounced by Germany, who is
reneging on earlier negotiations. No great loss for me, and an important
lesson to bear in mind for future negotiations.
He has been promising the world to me if only I will go to BAR and convoy
to NWY, which I told him I would not do.
Anyway, perhaps the Raiders will pull off the upset. Teams with perfect
records are boring.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Buchanon just let the punt through his fingers. First & goal Chiefs. I'm
going to sleep.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
I am extremely disappointed the Judge swallowed the press I sent you about
the end of the Raiders game Monday night, which I sent right after that
kick returner let the punt slip through his fingers.
As I recall it did not have anything Dip-related.
Yes I will capture NWY with a fleet. Between RUM and SWE I think you have
a fair chance of getting one of them.
Ben
Message from Master to all
Players,
Sorry about the long delay here. It seems that a few days ago,
everything that could go wrong did. Fortunately, I think that I've got
it all straightened out and the judge should be running better than
ever now. However, just to be sure, I'd like each of you to submit
press saying that you're not having any more trouble with the judge.
Once I see that from each of you, I'll remove wait and let the turn,
finally, process. The deadline is currently set for this Monday, so
it'll process then at the latest.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
I have heard from one of the other eastern powers that Germany is
pressuring you to engage me in the North.
I think it's kind of bizarre that I'd be hearing this from a third party to
the conversation, but if it happens to be true, please bear in mind (a)
Tony will as we've discussed say anything to anybody and (b) noone wants to
be in a war on two fronts at the same time. Garrison, as we'd discussed;
that's fine, but I hope if you are hearing foolishness from Germany - or
anyone else for that matter - you will disregard it & we will proceed with
NWY & STP unmolested by each other.
Anyway I think I am probably telling you things you already know, but after
I just got this odd press, I thought I'd write you.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
The whole week I was away wan an amazing sequence of sporting events that
all went exactly as I didn't want them to. But fun to watch nonetheless.
>I think it's kind of bizarre that I'd be hearing this from a third party to
>the conversation, but if it happens to be true, please bear in mind (a)
>Tony will as we've discussed say anything to anybody and (b) noone wants to
>be in a war on two fronts at the same time. Garrison, as we'd discussed;
>that's fine, but I hope if you are hearing foolishness from Germany - or
>anyone else for that matter - you will disregard it & we will proceed with
>NWY & STP unmolested by each other.
I've had numerous requests that I move to StP or build in StP in return for
being granted Swe. It was even suggested that if I only get one build that
I should build F StP/nc because I won't be making any progress in the south
if AT cooperate. Somehow, I don't get the idea he's really got my best
interests at heart in suggesting northern builds. I've given up on
responding to those requests directly, and just respond with appreciation
for the oft-repeated promises not to bounce me in Swe. I haven't been
warning you about any ongoing requests because, frankly, they are old news
at this point and I get the impression you've got a clear sense of Tony's
style and don't need me playing chicken little over here.
I think it would be more useful to you if I let you know if Tony ever asks
me NOT to setup to attack you, as that would give you a sense of whether he
ever gets serious about working with you rather than stirring up trouble.
But I will try to remember to keep you up to date on what the general tenor
of conversations is with Tony.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Austria
There's a message I sent you during the troubled times that I don't see
delivered.
It's been long enough that I don't remember the whole context, but I
believe I basically said that reading your last message to me, you didn't
directly answer my question about whether you would be using Bud to contest
Rum. You hinted you wouldn't, but reading the message it seemed like might
be trying to leave a situation where helping deny me Rum was not
"technically" a lie.
I hope that's not your style, but not having met you before, I just wanted
to get a more specific confirmation. I hope I said this more diplomatically
in that lost message, but I'm in a rush and don't want to hold things up in
terms of seeing this turn process.
--- Tzarface
Message from Russia to Russia
I also had a diary entry that got lost during the judge problems, so for
all of you that missed hearing me talk to myself:
Major confusion on my part around the vacation. My plan to move Ukr-Gal,
Mos-Ukr, Sev-Bla was something that made sense to me if I could get Andy to
hit Gre or Alb (to undercut Philippe's position). The logic was if AT are
going to bounce me in Rum, then I get position for Rum and a build from Swe
allows me some defense. I had forgotten that Andy had said no, which just
makes a move that just pisses off Philippe if he isn't attacking me
(whether or not he plans to in 02) and allows him to take some sort of
"moral high ground" if he is. If Austria is not distracted, then setting up
a three strength attack on Rum is probably counter productive anyway,
because I'd be faced with trying to defend Sev and Rum when AT inevitably
combined against me in both places.
So I changed my moves a while ago to the more standard Ukr S Sev-Rum,
Mos-Sev. I don't really care if Jason lets me cover Sev with the army (Arm
H) if I get Rum -- that just lets me further say that I'm not a threat to
him. If there is an AT, then I'll lose F Rum, but trading F Sev for A Sev
makes that worth it. (That is, if I build an army and then disband a fleet,
my defense still looks better to me).
As for Philippe, I still suspect he's looking more at AT than AR for the
reasons I outlined to Jason -- he has to be worried about a big R and a big
I, especially with Andy as one of those players (I don't *think* I'm well
enough known to be considered either a good or bad player by anyone by
reputation, though my JDPR might make some nervous). While I'd like to give
him more reasons to think I'm going to want to grow from the north (and
therefore against Germany), I'm still a little worried that there's an A
and G are sharing enough info to make that risky. That's probably stupid,
as I think about it. I'll probably talk about that more in Fall.
I doubt Philippe will actually move to Gal -- he doesn't have enough units
yet to be effective there -- unless maybe he is certain that I am getting
bounced in Swe. But even if there is a strong AT, I don't see why he should
overextend himself at this point -- which would simultaneously allow me to
build a defender in War and invite Andy to take a shot at Gre/Alb. If he
really wants to blatantly support AT, keeping me out of Rum looks more
likely to me (which is what led to the idea of Ukr-Gal, Mos-Ukr in the
first place).
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
I sent a broadcast that didn't go through. In it I admitted that at the
time I still had wait set. Because of my vacation and the unforeseen but in
hindsight should-have-been-expected increased workload at work around it I
had only had a day or two to send any press. I also indicated in that
message that I was unsetting wait, but I gather the "set nowait" command
also got lost with the broadcast.
So on the one hand I was defending myself for having wait set while on the
other hand apologizing for slowing things down. I'm sending along another
"set nowait" command with this message.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> The whole week I was away wan an amazing sequence of sporting events that
> all went exactly as I didn't want them to. But fun to watch nonetheless.
You are a good-natured fan. Another surprise from a member of the Raider
Nation! ;o)
> >I think it's kind of bizarre that I'd be hearing this from a third party
to
> >the conversation, but if it happens to be true, please bear in mind (a)
> >Tony will as we've discussed say anything to anybody and (b) noone wants
to
> >be in a war on two fronts at the same time. Garrison, as we'd discussed;
> >that's fine, but I hope if you are hearing foolishness from Germany - or
> >anyone else for that matter - you will disregard it & we will proceed
with
> >NWY & STP unmolested by each other.
>
> I've had numerous requests that I move to StP or build in StP in return
for
> being granted Swe. It was even suggested that if I only get one build that
> I should build F StP/nc because I won't be making any progress in the
south
> if AT cooperate. Somehow, I don't get the idea he's really got my best
> interests at heart in suggesting northern builds.
:-o
> I've given up on
> responding to those requests directly, and just respond with appreciation
> for the oft-repeated promises not to bounce me in Swe. I haven't been
> warning you about any ongoing requests because, frankly, they are old news
> at this point and I get the impression you've got a clear sense of Tony's
> style and don't need me playing chicken little over here.
You hit the nail on the head. I feel alittle sheepish for even having
bothered you about it, but it's always nice to get your press, anyway.
> I think it would be more useful to you if I let you know if Tony ever asks
> me NOT to setup to attack you, as that would give you a sense of whether
he
> ever gets serious about working with you rather than stirring up trouble.
> But I will try to remember to keep you up to date on what the general
tenor
> of conversations is with Tony.
Thank you. Not really necessary beyond what you've been doing, as I said.
Ben
Message from Master to all
Players,
I've removed wait, since all seven players seem to be able to access
the judge. If any of you have wait set, please remove it, and maybe
we'll finally get this turn processed.
Greg, GM
C2
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Fleet Trieste SUPPORT Italian Army Apulia → Venice (*void*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Yorkshire → Holland
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Yorkshire → North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Spain (south coast)
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
Germany: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT Russian Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Belgium
Italy: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Greece
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Armenia → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Austrian Army Budapest → Rumania
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