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Message from Italy to Russia
Eric, Im not sure what you said to the Turk to scare him, but I commend
you.
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
I'm really pressed for time today, but wanted to get off a message.
I know you'll see A War as threatening. I put that there because I expected
Turkey to build F Ank, and then an AT to form, and I wanted defense for Gal.
That didn't happen, so now War is looking threatening. The reason I asked if
you are willing to take Nth is that I thought I might need to build defensive
in the south. We can still talk about Swe-Ska, then in Fall Ska S Den-Nth. I
realize that's not guarantee of success if Ben defends Nth with Lon, but it
at least forces the disband of Ska.
Again, I'm in a rush and unavailable much of the day, but wanted to check in.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Erik,
Jury duty, gotta run, so I'm speed typing at this point.
I know we didn't get to touch base re: no StP build, but I trust me being
"neutral" is as good for you as being actively RG. In fact, it should tie up
Ben less worrying about me. Clearly the only option at the moment is taking
out Tony quickly, but that's still according to plan.
I'll talk more when I've got more than 10 seconds to write. Hope all is well.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Looks good! You will be at least in Ser by Fall, and with just a touch of
luck, you'll get Ser and Gre.
I'll get back to you later. I'm on Jury Duty today, so may not have net
access until tonight or tomorrow.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
:)
I appreciate the compliment. I assume the builds make it unlikely that he's
going to support you to Ser, so I'm not expecting to tap Bud in the Spring.
But there's still lots of room for RI cooperation.
BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get back to
my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
courtroom yet!
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
Sorry not to have warned you about the two army builds. Part of the reason
was that I was undecided on the second build until late, late in the turn.
I went on faith that you still prefer the tactic that we get Jason trusting
me, and that you can use that to press Andy. With the Italian build in Mar, I
think your position is looking much stronger. And while I did build in War,
that is not aimed at you.
So far I've only heard a brief note from Andy expressing his disappointment
with Jason's build. He could approach you for an AI vs. RT deal, or he could
approach me for an RI vs. AT deal. Actually, he's good enough that he'll
probably do both. But he's going to have difficulty pulling back from you. If
you think he's going to continue to attack you, then I'm willing to send a
unit to help you defend (something like Gal-Boh-Tyl). I understand that
Austria at 4 in 1903 looks bleak statistically, but I still see AR as a good
match for us, and I think you are in better shape now than at any point since
S1901.
I'm likely to be unavailable the rest of the day (Jury Duty), but let's keep
talking.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to England
As promised, StP is clear.
I was looking over the board, and with France looking to make gains quickly,
I was thinking that it might make sense to try to get you two builds this
season rather than you one and me one. I'm thinking that after you take Den
(and to be optimistic, let's assume that's successful), I should support you
to Kie (that is, Den-Kie, Nth-Den, Lon-Nth/Eng/whatever makes sense to you).
If France gets much bigger then there's not going to be anything we can do to
slow him down. While arguably you can say the same thing about me, I'm much
less of a threat to you.
Anyway, this is my first checkin. No doubt Tony's offers to support you to
Swe (no, for real this time!) will come rolling in shortly. I hope my build
made it clear I am committed to ER cooperation for considerable time into the
future.
Gotta run -- Jury Duty is likely to keep me off line all day. Talk to you
when I can.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> As promised, StP is clear.
Thank you.
> I was looking over the board, and with France looking to make
> gains quickly, I was thinking that it might make sense to try
> to get you two builds this season rather than you one and me
> one.
Sounds good to me!
> I'm thinking that after you take Den (and to be optimistic,
> let's assume that's successful), I should support you
> to Kie (that is, Den-Kie, Nth-Den, Lon-Nth/Eng/whatever makes
> sense to you).
Sounds good. If I fail to capture DEN in the spring, in the fall would you
be willing to support me in? Not sure how long I can go without building. .
.
> If France gets much bigger then there's not going to be
> anything we can do to
> slow him down. While arguably you can say the same thing
> about me, I'm much less of a threat to you.
Yes, yes, echoes of the raison d'etre for the ER.
> Anyway, this is my first checkin. No doubt Tony's offers to
> support you to
> Swe (no, for real this time!) will come rolling in shortly. I
> hope my build
> made it clear I am committed to ER cooperation for
> considerable time into the future.
Yes, we are on the same page. Tony is swearing he will order DEN - SWE,
which means either (a) he will, or possibly (b) he won't.
> Gotta run -- Jury Duty is likely to keep me off line all day.
> Talk to you when I can.
Ok - we have plenty of time.
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
> I appreciate the compliment. I assume the builds make it
unlikely that he's
> going to support you to Ser, so I'm not expecting to tap Bud in the Spring.
> But there's still lots of room for RI cooperation.
Actually...yes I still need you to tap BUD, he says he is still supporting
me there, so please go forward with that.
> BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get back to
> my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
> courtroom yet!
Im sure they dont....Im surprised they let you bring your computer in
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
Yes, part of my earlier commitment is that if you don't get Den in Spring, I
support you there in Fall. That commitment is still in place. I just added to
it that if you do get there in Spring, then I should probably support you to
Kie in Fall. If Tony really does move to Swe, you will be in Den. If Tony
fails to order Den-Swe, then I'll be in Swe to help you come Fall. Either way
you will get at least one build.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
That's what I thought I remembered, but I wasn't sure & I'm at work. I hope
jury duty is treating you well.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
It wasn't going to. I was a prospective juror for what would have been a 4
week+ murder trial. While I'm sure it would have been interesting to serve
(assuming I had been chosen, which is no sure thing either), I had no idea
how I was going to manage that and work AND diplomacy.
Turns out the parties decided to argue the case before the judge (no jury)
and so I was excused this AM. Whew!
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> It wasn't going to. I was a prospective juror for what would
> have been a 4 week+ murder trial.
Cool. A trial that long, probably has some ugly conspiracy connected.
Drugs, would be my guess.
> While I'm sure it would have been interesting to serve
> (assuming I had been chosen, which is no sure thing either),
> I had no idea how I was going to manage that and work AND
> diplomacy.
Get one of those little handheld e-mail doodads, and play Dip during the
trial. Who needs to pay attention? That's what the other 11 are for.
> Turns out the parties decided to argue the case before the
> judge (no jury) and so I was excused this AM. Whew!
Back to work. And Dip. Together.
For the capture of DEN, I am inclined to order NTH - DEN, to accommodate LON
- NTH, and then in the fall I would have all three units available for
operations against Germany. Slightly different from your proposal, but I
didn't think you'd mind.
Ben
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
Do you know what you are doing with A Bul? Andy asked me before the builds if
I would be willing to tap Bud so that he can take Ser, and he hasn't
rescinded the request. Are you still planning to offer that support?
Actually, I really want to know if you are planning on *ordering* the
support. If you are not, or if you don't want it to be successful, I'd like
to know, so I don't waste a move.
Thanks, and good luck! If Andy thinks you are going to support him (whether
or not you do), you are in very good shape.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
No concrete plans for A Bul right now. Right now, Andy's a little
annoyed at my build, so we'll see how that goes down.
jason
Message from Germany to Russia
Yes the build was a little concerning although it did open doors which I
thought were closed.
The English disband and French build still points to a strong EF alliance.
Austria informed me that you informed him that the build was not aimed at
him.
The side effects being AI's wish to rekindle the never allive AGI central
alliance.
All I can ask of you is can you support me in Denmark. I have not yet seen
any crack in the EF alliance.
At the moment all I can say to England is that I will give all my SC's to
France. Your support from Sweden would at least slow their advance down. If
England has no deal with you then I am expecting NTH - HEL, LON - NTH.
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
I think the builds were fine. You seem to have taken a load off of Ben's
mind, and that's good for both of us. What is A War going to do?
Andy was a little perturbed about F Mar, but I think I've explained it
away. I just need him to spend at least two more turns tied up with
Austria. Do you think that's likely?
Ben will want to take Holland before Denmark, I think. I'm inclined to
give it to him, though it might mean an additional build for him. Without
another chink taken out of the Western German front, I don't see myself
breaking through. Of course, with support from the other side from you ...
Hope the jury duty isn't too much of a pain. Let me know your thinking
when you get the chance. Also, has Germany approached you for help yet?
He's been quiet with me, so I think he's decided to stop trusting me.
Erik
Message from Austria to Russia
Eric,
I thought we had changed tactic and that the goal of getting
you in Rum was to see you build a fleet. Instead, you opt
to build two armies. You may say they aren't aimed at me,
but if your goal was to expand in the north, why not build a
fleet in Stp?
Hopefully, this will make thing easier with Andy, but one
thing is sure, I don't want you in Boh. In fact, I will be
keeping watch on what you do with all those armies.
Yours truly,
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Russia
Support orders for Gre - Ser. I assume your shuffle is still on?
jason
Message from Russia to all
Everyone,
Sometime Thursday afternoon I was hit hard by a bug (cold or flu) of
somesort which completely wiped me out. I've been pretty much out of
commission for the last 48-60ish hours. I'll try to catch up with
communications tonight and tomorrow, but wanted to let folks know that I'm
not intentionally ignoring anyone.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
>I thought we had changed tactic and that the goal of getting
>you in Rum was to see you build a fleet. Instead, you opt
>to build two armies.
Sorry, I had gotten the distinct impression that you preferred that Jason
and I cooperate. After taking Rum, we talked, and right near the deadline
he agreed to build F Smy. With that, I changed my build from F Sev to A Sev.
> You may say they aren't aimed at me,
>but if your goal was to expand in the north, why not build a
>fleet in Stp?
Part of that was the last minute change from Turkey. I did not want to
build two fleets, because I think it is bad policy for Russia to have more
fleets than armies in the early game. With F Sev as an assumed build, that
left out F StP. While I did think about changing things around after I
switched to A Sev, I had already convinced myself that F StP was a bad
thing. Granted, that's mostly irrelevant with A Sev, but that was the thinking.
>Hopefully, this will make thing easier with Andy, but one
>thing is sure, I don't want you in Boh.
Again, I thought that we had agreed that seeing IT fight was good for both
of us, and my builds, along with the expected F Smy, were largely intended
to make sure that Andy wouldn't think he could gain control of the
situation in and around your centers. Without your request, I will not be
moving to Boh (and I didn't really expect you'd want me to).
Both I and T continue to ask me to make moves that would allow them to take
Ser, which leads me to believe that Andy is still looking to expand quickly
through the Balkans, though I can see other reasons they each might ask for
those moves as well. What are you hearing from the two of them.
>In fact, I will be
>keeping watch on what you do with all those armies.
I wouldn't expect anything else.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
Jason,
So a couple of questions: Do you want the Gre-Ser move to succeed? That is,
do you want me to move Gal-Bud to cut support? If we do that, I could see
me supporting you into Ser afterwards, since that should drastically reduce
the number of armies that AI have in the area after the move takes place.
Is that what you see happening in Fall?
And yes, the unit shuffle is still on.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Erik,
>I think the builds were fine.
Well, as one of two players not threatened by then, it's hardly surprising
that you'd say that! :)
>You seem to have taken a load off of Ben's
>mind, and that's good for both of us.
If it didn't, then there'd be some real problems.
>Andy was a little perturbed about F Mar, but I think I've explained it
>away. I just need him to spend at least two more turns tied up with
>Austria. Do you think that's likely?
From what I hear, yes, though I also realize that it's in Andy's interest
for me to think that there's easy pickings if I want to pile on Austria
with him.
>Ben will want to take Holland before Denmark, I think. I'm inclined to
>give it to him, though it might mean an additional build for him. Without
>another chink taken out of the Western German front, I don't see myself
>breaking through. Of course, with support from the other side from you ...
Well, that's certainly something that was in my mind when I built A War.
What A War will do is still unclear. It might support Gal, it might
encroach on German space, it might go south, though frankly I think the
latter is least likely at this point.
>Hope the jury duty isn't too much of a pain.
Actually, it ended fairly quickly -- only two half days lost to it. Could
have been a lot worse had I been selected, given that it was a murder
trial, but in fact the case did not go to Jury trial after all.
> Let me know your thinking
>when you get the chance. Also, has Germany approached you for help yet?
>He's been quiet with me, so I think he's decided to stop trusting me.
He has asked me for support, though as expected, the lack of F StP/nc has
dampened his enthusiasm considerably.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to England
Hi Ben,
Checking in after my unexpected absence. Looking over the board there's a
number of things that come to mind. Ironically, it was Tony that pointed
out to me that you might want to move to Hel. He suggested that I offer you
(but not provide) support to Den so that you wouldn't try to go there. If
you were to take Hel, that would give us attacks on both Kie and Den in
Fall, and very likely get your Lon fleet on board against Germany in any
case. From Erik, I also get the sense that he'd be willing to support you
to Hol, and I could see Nth-Hol/Lon-Nth as being something you might like
as well.
If I had to guess, I would say that Tony will indeed make a move that
supports you against me, whether that be Den-Swe or actually offering the
support he failed to provide last season. I'm hoping that you won't take
advantage of any such support, seeing how we've been able to work together
pretty well, but I gave you all the initiative in that respect when I
decided against building in StP.
Let me know what you think. I have selfish and I think self-evident reasons
for preferring you going to Hel or Hol over taking Den in Spring, but I'm
not trying to be pushy. Just want to consider the options.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
>Yes the build was a little concerning although it did open doors which I
>thought were closed.
>
>The side effects being AI's wish to rekindle the never allive AGI central
>alliance.
Which is not at all surprising. Not building F StP was a hard call for me,
and was in part due to how things changed in the south in the waning
moments of the turn. There were two problem I saw with F StP. One is that
it would basically force England to take your support against me -- and
because I know you want to see pressure eased, I was not confident that you
wouldn't offer that support. Granted you can still offer that support, and
England can pretty much take Scandinavia with and perhaps even without your
help, but without F StP, he is not *forced* to move that way. The second
thing is that I did not want to build two fleets, so when I finally decided
against F StP, it was F Sev and not F StP. Late negotiations led to the
agreement where I did not build F Sev, and I didn't fully reconsider the F
StP decision.
>All I can ask of you is can you support me in Denmark. I have not yet seen
>any crack in the EF alliance.
>
>At the moment all I can say to England is that I will give all my SC's to
>France. Your support from Sweden would at least slow their advance down. If
>England has no deal with you then I am expecting NTH - HEL, LON - NTH.
I don't think you need my support in Spring, though if you are right, you
will in Fall.
What might actually be better is if I tell England that I'll support him to
Den. That way maybe he'll attack you in place without moving to Hel. Also,
if we know that he's going to be attacking Den, then we can disband the
fleet in Ska. If he moves Ska-Den, then Kie S Den, Den S Swe-Ska works. If
he moves Ska S Nth-Den, then Swe S Den-Ska, Kie-Den disbands it while still
bouncing Nth-Den.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy --
>he says he is still supporting me there (Ser), so please go forward with that.
Wow. I'm surprised he agreed to that. What did you say to make it seem like
a good idea to him?
> > BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get
> back to
> > my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
> > courtroom yet!
>
>Im sure they dont....Im surprised they let you bring your computer in
I was too, but they didn't say anything about it. Of course, I never took
it out and tried to use it. I only had it on me in case I got to leave for
work (I take the bus to work, so had to carry all my work gear to the
courthouse). As it turns out, the trial was cancelled -- or at least the
jury trial was cancelled -- in the case for which I was a potential juror,
so I'm now off the hook for two more years. Just as well, since I got sick
two days later....
--- Eric
Message from England to France and Russia
Greetings Erik and Eric. I have been corresponding with you separately
about our approach to Germany and now I write you together.
What Eric had proposed initially is, I attempt DEN while he moves to BAL
and SWE. The idea being, then in the fall he can support me into KIE and
we can do as much damage as possible to Germany in the year.
An alternative, recently proposed also by Eric, is that I try for HEL in
the spring, and (I suppose) he will support me into DEN that same season.
Eric I may have misunderstood but it would seem to me the most logical use
of SKA.
Erik has offered support to HOL.
My preference is to accept Eric's original proposal of fall support into
KIE while I try for DEN in the spring. If (a) I successfully dislodge DEN
then it will surely retreat to HEL. If (b) I fail to dislodge DEN then
with Russian support I can capture it in the fall. If (a) then I am not
going to capture both KIE and HOL in the fall, and if (b) then I will
capture - with Erik's support - HOL and hold DEN. Either way, gaining two
at Germany's expense.
My preference for this strategy is a mild one - I am up for just about
anything. Let me know your thoughts.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
I hope you feel better.
I did not think you would mind me including Erik in our discussions.
I have tickets to the game today! Going to see the 'Hawks come to town!
Ben
Message from Turkey to Russia
I don't have a preference on you cutting Bud. If he gets Ser, I'll
insist on Gre. Otherwise, I'll get Ser. Six of one, half a dozen of the
other.
jason
Message from France to England and Russia
Ben:
Your plan sounds good, but I'm worried about butting my head into Munich
over and over while you two make gains. Granted, you're in a weak
position, and you need builds more than either of us. I'd really like to
get into Munich, though -- any chance that Warsaw could move to Silesia,
Eric?
I also need to keep a close eye on Andy. Ben, any idea what he's up to? His
replies to me are terse and mystifiying, as usual.
Erik
Message from France to Russia
>
> My preference is to accept Eric's original proposal of fall support into
> KIE while I try for DEN in the spring.
I like this. Holland is the better option for him, frankly, but he's
willing to forgo that to hit what, in the end, are better targets for us
to have him go for -- they leave him overextended and out of position to
swing back and attack me. I would think this would occur to Ben, so I'm
wondering if there's something else going on. I'm pretty sure he no longer
trusts Tony enough to be planning something with him, but there's always a
chance ...
I'll try for Munich, with little success. I'm worried that I'm kind of
going to be grinding my gears this season. I'm hoping I can swing Por out
to Mao and perhaps swing into Iri in the fall. Do you think you could get
into Sil this turn, either without Germany's consent or through some sort
of discussion?
Erik
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> >he says he is still supporting me there (Ser), so please go forward with that.
>
> Wow. I'm surprised he agreed to that. What did you say to make it seem like
> a good idea to him?
>
He told me that he still wanted to attack Austria, and I asked him if we
were still on, and he said yes.
What are your plans
Message from France to England and Russia
So are we all set for this turn? I'm pounding away at Munich, but will be
prepared to support units into Kiel or Holland as requested. Anything else
we need to consider?
Erik
Message from England to France and Russia
> So are we all set for this turn? I'm pounding away at Munich,
> but will be
> prepared to support units into Kiel or Holland as requested.
> Anything else we need to consider?
I'll be trying for DEN & will be seeking support into HOL in the fall. Also
I will be seeking support from Eric into KIE in the fall; I think the
chances of me ending up with three dots are about zero, but we can take
stock after the spring & see where we are. I am hoping for two.
Have yet to hear from Eric; I'm hoping for a note confirming, or a
counterproposal, which would be fine. I will be pretty busy for the next
six hours or so but then should have some access on and off until an hour
before the deadline.
Ben
Message from Austria to Russia
> Sorry, I had gotten the distinct impression that you preferred that Jason
> and I cooperate. After taking Rum, we talked, and right near the deadline
> he agreed to build F Smy. With that, I changed my build from F Sev to A Sev.
I'm glad you were able to get Jason on your side, but
where you able to send him against Andy, not me?
> Part of that was the last minute change from Turkey. I did not want to
> build two fleets, because I think it is bad policy for Russia to have more
> fleets than armies in the early game. With F Sev as an assumed build, that
> left out F StP. While I did think about changing things around after I
> switched to A Sev, I had already convinced myself that F StP was a bad
> thing. Granted, that's mostly irrelevant with A Sev, but that was the thinking.
Surely, you realise how this look from my point of view.
> Again, I thought that we had agreed that seeing IT fight was good for both
> of us, and my builds, along with the expected F Smy, were largely intended
> to make sure that Andy wouldn't think he could gain control of the
> situation in and around your centers. Without your request, I will not be
> moving to Boh (and I didn't really expect you'd want me to).
OK. Will see how this work out.
> Both I and T continue to ask me to make moves that would allow them to take
> Ser, which leads me to believe that Andy is still looking to expand quickly
> through the Balkans, though I can see other reasons they each might ask for
> those moves as well. What are you hearing from the two of them.
Are you telling me that I only manage to improve your
position within an IRT vs A alliance? I really hope it's not
the case. Andy is being friendly, but it doesn't really mean
anything.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Russia to England and France
Ben and Erik,
Was offline again all day yesterday. Back now. Given my current
decongestant-induced mental state I don't think I should do tons of
planning, so I'm happy to be a sheep at this point in the negotiations, and
forego further counterproposals.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Erik,
>I like this. Holland is the better option for him, frankly, but he's
>willing to forgo that to hit what, in the end, are better targets for us
>to have him go for -- they leave him overextended and out of position to
>swing back and attack me. I would think this would occur to Ben, so I'm
>wondering if there's something else going on. I'm pretty sure he no longer
>trusts Tony enough to be planning something with him, but there's always a
>chance ...
Well, the other obvious thing is that it puts him in great position for
attacking Scandinavia, which is something I realized after the builds, but
was not sufficiently worried about before them, and it's too late to do
anything about that now. If you are his next target, then if he does get
two builds, the whole idea of "swinging back" is not an issue for him. He
also is taking the option that has me voluntarily leave Nwy -- something
that didn't work out for him when he did it -- so it could be that he likes
the idea of paying me back on that count.
>I'll try for Munich, with little success. I'm worried that I'm kind of
>going to be grinding my gears this season. I'm hoping I can swing Por out
>to Mao and perhaps swing into Iri in the fall. Do you think you could get
>into Sil this turn, either without Germany's consent or through some sort
>of discussion?
It's entirely possible, I need to see what my southern friends have been
saying, but yes, I think it's a likely possibility.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
So you're still pretty confident that he'll give up Gre if he gets Ser,
huh? Seems unlikely to me, but I can see that he might.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy --
>He told me that he still wanted to attack Austria, and I asked him if we
>were still on, and he said yes.
Bizarre, given that F Smy was supposedly because of how worried he was of
you, though I think having you and Turkey attacking Austria is not a bad
thing for me, it just seems surprising.
>What are your plans
I've spent the little time I've had focused on the game trying to figure
out whether Jason is really going to support you to Ser, and how likely it
is that Philippe will move to Gal with support. My selfish, conservative
side wants to support myself in Gal to ensure I don't lose any ground,
since it also seems unlikely that Jason would really support you to Ser.
But from what I'm hearing, he may actually go through with it (expecting
that you will give him Gre in the Fall). So for now I'm still leaning
towards tapping Bud for you.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
I was so out of it yesterday that I couldn't stay focused on the whole
Raiders game, though I got focused again for the finish. Yet again the
Raiders are just bad enough to lose. :(
I didn't see it, but I heard that your team had an awesome endgame. Congrats!
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Russia
Ack.
Well, the one good thing about being sick is that I'm not too concerned
about the outcome of the moves. That's probably a really good thing,
because the more I look at it, the more I think not building F StP was a
mistake. I know why I didn't, and when I look at the board with F StP in
place it still makes me nervous, but A War and no F StP seriously
complicates my position diplomatically. Almost any move I make now is going
to piss off multiple neighbors, something that is bed enough without being
the early leader. I will also be stunned if Ben does not come after me in
Scandinavia, but as I've said in other places, it's too late to worry about
that. We shall see.
Right now my leaning is to jump on Austria and Germany, move with EF in
Spring, and hope that I can salvage some position in Fall in the north and
maybe pick up a center or two (one each from AG). As much as I want to work
with Philippe, if I'm to have any long term relationship with Andy I have
to do something to make it clear that he can trust me otherwise he'll never
attack Jason, and I'm still not clear Jason will attack Andy on his own.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria
Ben,
>I'm glad you were able to get Jason on your side, but
>where you able to send him against Andy, not me?
That was what my understanding was when the builds were agreed to. However,
see below.
> > Part of that was the last minute change from Turkey. I did not want to
> > build two fleets, because I think it is bad policy for Russia to have more
> > fleets than armies in the early game. With F Sev as an assumed build, that
> > left out F StP. While I did think about changing things around after I
> > switched to A Sev, I had already convinced myself that F StP was a bad
> > thing. Granted, that's mostly irrelevant with A Sev, but that was the
> thinking.
>
>Surely, you realise how this look from my point of view.
Absolutely. I don't really expect you to put to much faith in it, which is
what I meant by the "Granted, that's mostly irrelevant..." statement. I was
just sharing the thinking.
> > Both I and T continue to ask me to make moves that would allow them to take
> > Ser, which leads me to believe that Andy is still looking to expand quickly
> > through the Balkans, though I can see other reasons they each might ask for
> > those moves as well. What are you hearing from the two of them.
>
>Are you telling me that I only manage to improve your
>position within an IRT vs A alliance? I really hope it's not
>the case. Andy is being friendly, but it doesn't really mean
>anything.
What I'm saying (poorly) is that I thought that F Smy was something that
would cause I and T to start fighting. What I'm hearing now is that despite
that build Andy and Jason have agreed to honor their previously arranged
deal, where Andy gets Ser and Jason gets Gre. One of IT MUST be planning to
stab the other (I cannot imagine that Andy will give up Gre if he is not
forced to), but neither of them is telling me about it.
So I guess what I'm saying is that what I expected was that I had set Jason
against Andy, but from what they are telling now me I was incorrect. In
which case, you are right, not building F Sev is really a problem for you,
whatever my intentions were.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> I was so out of it yesterday that I couldn't stay focused on the whole
> Raiders game, though I got focused again for the finish. Yet again the
> Raiders are just bad enough to lose. :(
Yeah, but the Chiefs are tough. Don't take this one too hard.
> I didn't see it, but I heard that your team had an awesome
> endgame. Congrats!
It was pretty thrilling. . .
I think Erik is waiting on confirmation of the plan, which is pretty much
your Plan A of SWE - BAL, NWY - SWE, with support into KIE or DEN in the
fall, depending on where I am.
If I dislodge DEN he will no doubt retreat to HEL and I will gain, even with
HOL, at most two centers.
I'll be away for the computer for awhile. What do you think?
Ben
Message from England to France and Russia
Ok, then we are on.
Ben
Austria: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Albania (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea
England: Fleet North Sea → Denmark
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → Denmark
France: Army Belgium → Holland
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Munich
France: Fleet Marseilles HOLD
France: Army Paris → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Ruhr → Munich (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Army Berlin SUPPORT Army Munich
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr
Italy: Army Greece → Serbia
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Albania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rome → Venice (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sevastopol → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Baltic Sea
Russia: Army Ukraine → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea
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