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Austria: Builds 2 units
England: Builds 1 unit
France: Builds 1 unit
Germany: Builds 2 units
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Germany to France
Hmmm once again strange moves. Interesting to see how this develops. I
wonder if you will be facing a strong AI soon.
Let me know your reasoning.
Message from Germany to England
Interesting to see how this develops. Anything other than an army build
spells trouble.
Message from Germany to Russia
Well you are certainly under pressure down south. We can arrange a definite
build for you from NWY. Build in STP and we are in business. At worst you
lose SEV sometime in the near future but with the build from NWY then at
least you will have a stable rear. With me supporting you in WAR if need be
we have quite an army front running from WAR/MOS/SIL. It would cost AT a
great deal to advance against you.
I can cut support from NTH allowing you to take NWY. I will be building two
armies so if need be I can help support WAR. Let me know.
Message from Germany to Germany
Well that was in a way to be expected. I was expecting the move on HOL in a
way as you noticed in my earlier mail.
It will be interesting to see how things develop. The press from EF should
be interesting to say the least.
Message from Germany to Austria
Looks like you have a good deal going on down there.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Interesting to see how this develops. Anything other than an
> army build spells trouble.
For me it was an easy choice - I didn't want to see an F KIE - I know you'd
promised an F BER; this way I worry less. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
And you promised an army build for convoying.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> And you promised an army build for convoying.
I don't much care for quibbling - after the spring I didn't think you would
either - I will say I do not concede this is the case; later on if you
insist we can parse through our earlier press & debate what exactly was
promised. But I am at work now & not so inclined.
Let us look forward and not backward. I knew I wasn't denying you a build,
I was just denying you the opportunity to build F KIE.
I am as usual all ears.
Ben
Message from Austria to Germany
> Looks like you have a good deal going on down there.
I wouldn't say that Tony. Even though you had offered it,
I didn't believe you would have bounced Sweden and so
didn't ask you to do so; but if you had, I would have been
better off.
Also, getting attacked by Italy isn't very positive.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria
> Also, getting attacked by Italy isn't very positive.>
Hmmm I thought the pair of you had agreed on those moves when I saw them.
Message from Germany to England
Well I had mentioned to France that I was expecting a bounce in HOL, it
seemned the most logical. In hindsight I am glad I didnt force the HOL move.
Message from Germany to Italy
Interesting moves mate.
Message from Germany to Russia
An army build in STP will allow you to support SWE - NWY in the spring. It
is also a good backup for our front of armies in the east as it can be used
to good effect in defence of MOS if needed later.
No doubt england will build a fleet in EDI.
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> Interesting moves mate.
>
Like I told him.
It just looks like I am next on the menu once the Russian is dead....
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
There is no one on the board more interested than I am to see me get
another center. But I don't see how a build in StP makes sense at the
moment. With France having done the Alpine Chicken maneuver, I don't
see how you are going to have any units to spare to help me against
AT. Austria has to build two armies, and that will allow him to force
Gal in Spring. StP is needed to take Nwy, but also to hold it in
Fall. And your armies are going to be needed against all of France's
forces, and so don't seem to be available to defend War.
Am I missing something? Can you spell out more specifically how I can
take Nwy and hold it in Fall, while still defending War? I don't have
a problem with attacking England, but I want to make sure that
however I do it makes sense.
--- Tzarface
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Well I had mentioned to France that I was expecting a bounce in HOL, it
> seemned the most logical. In hindsight I am glad I didnt force the HOL
move.
Well I am glad to hear it. Under the circumstances I think you would
likely have done the same.
Now what?
Ben
Message from France to Germany
Tony:
Well, frankly, after your erratic opening, I just didn't feel that I
could trust you to undertake any kind of joint attack on a neighbor. You
demonstrated paranoia, an extreme willingness to lie and a propensity for
spreading misinformation all before the end of 1901. While these are all
certainly elements of any player's game, I just couldn't move forward
with you given your initial play.
I am always open to suggestions, though, and you've certainly followed
through as promised this turn, so perhaps I've made a mistake. Luckily,
my armies are in a position to move in a number of directions, so if I do
change course, they need not be as threatening to you as they seem.
It's late over here, and I need some sleep. I will write more tomorrow.
Erik
Message from Germany to England
> Now what?>
Good question, Russia is in trouble. France gets just one build. Not sure of my builds yet. France has approached me but I am waiting to gere some more. Austria claims Italy attacked him.
Not much else happening, what lines of thought were you having.
Message from Germany to Russia
Well this is how I look at it. You will need all 3 units just to even hold SEV in the spring.
As you pointed out Austria will build two armies. This means that one unit will be in GALthis spring.
This means that by fall SEV will fall as UKR can be cut.
Even if you built in WAR you would still be in trouble up north.
Why wouldnt England just go for STP?
If I see an army in STP then I will attack the NTH cutting support. England can never get more than two units on NWY by fall. My unit in DEN can ensure that. I cant see how NWY can be denied to you.
SEV will fall, UKR can be cut, RUM can be covered GAL will be taken by Austria.
You and I both need a friend. If England builds a fleet in EDI and I dont have an ally then I may just as well ask him to push for BAR and convoy YOR to Norway whilst I push two armies at PRU and SIL. I could even offer him SWE. I have to build two armies, I can push one to SIL and still have two covering MUN.
I will have to give up BEL. The sooner French and English units meet up the better. Then I just make sure I say to both that I will only allow one of them my SC's.
If EF are against me then England will see Russia as an easy target if he groes quickly. I would have to offer my SC's to England to deter France. Its the thing to do in a crisis.
SEV is lost but not all is lost. NWY is guranteed this year. I know Italy is a little worried about his fate. He sees AT coming after him once you fall. Build an army in STP and you have yourself an ally and a build to compensate for SEV. I am desperate. As stated I may have to move on you too if I have no one to turn to, what else can I do? Then surely trying to pick up WAR and offering Sweden to England would be my best bet.
I didnt bounce you for a reason and that reason is I anticipated we would need each other.
Luck is France only gets one build. I can always pick up Holland if need be.
I would rather carry on with an ally. Let me know.
Message from Germany to England
Well Ben things are looking good for England. I am not to bad off.
I could offer you SWE for friendship to start with. As France only gets one build he is not to much of a worry for me. He has also indicated that he can still move anywhere.
His one build will no doubt be in PAR. If need be I could then push BEL - PIC. Two army builds would give me some bargaining power with him.
We could even still get the EGF on the road. He can still head south, you can still head north and I can still head east.
I will just be a little cautious with France as he was ment to move on the ENG ;-) and grab SPA with the army.
Me and you knew what would happen around BEL/HOL. If france would have done what we discussed then that would have left me and you in an interesting position. Still its all part of the game so its nothing personal against England ;-)
Now you are looking pretty good and GE or EFG can still hammer out all kind of deals.
Speak soon.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> > Now what?>
>
> Good question, Russia is in trouble. France gets just one
> build. Not sure of my builds yet. France has approached me
> but I am waiting to gere some more. Austria claims Italy attacked him.
This is interesting to me. The capture of GRE could not have been a
surprise and VEN - TRI was hardly a massive attack. I guess there probably
is really an A/I conflict on the rise, but its beginning is pretty tepid.
> Not much else happening, what lines of thought were you having.
I am trying to stay flexible. I probably will build a fleet but I hardly
agree with you that it's a bad sign for GE relations.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
>>I probably will build a fleet but I hardly agree with you that it's a bad
sign for GE relations.>>
Good to hear. I also sent you a more lenghtly press. Didi it ever arrive?
maybe its still on its way?
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> >>I probably will build a fleet but I hardly agree with you
> that it's a bad
> sign for GE relations.>>
>
> Good to hear. I also sent you a more lenghtly press. Didi it
> ever arrive?
> maybe its still on its way?
I'm sure I did get it - I had this feeling I'd overlooked one from you - but
I'm at work. If it's convenient could you resend it? Otherwise I'll dig it
up this evening (*my* time) & respond then.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
I really don't want to alienate you, but I still am not convinced
that building in StP makes sense. With A StP, I still can't hold War
against AT, so long as A StP is needed to support Nwy. If Italy takes
action against Austria (and I'm hoping he will) then I'll have some
flexibility, but with two neighbors fighting me in the south I cannot
afford to invite a third to come assault me in the north.
>If I see an army in STP then I will attack the NTH cutting support.
>England can never get more than two units on NWY by fall. My unit in
>DEN can ensure that. I cant see how NWY can be denied to you.
My point wasn't that it will be denied to me, but that I will require
StP to hold it. The end result is that I would be able to build A
War. And from that point on, I'd be forced to cover my remaining home
centers indefinitely.
I have not entered my builds yet because I am seriously considering
the possibility of building A StP despite my reservations. I'm not
trying to be difficult, but obviously, my own defense has to take
priority in my planning, as yours does for you. Keep in mind that
even if I do build in War, there is still the possibility that I
could move Mos-StP in spring (sacrificing F Sev, obviously) and then
taking Nwy in the Fall. Whatever happens, we can keep that on the
table.
--- Tzarface
Message from Germany to England
I am at home at the moment, I think I sent it from work via webmail.
Unfortunately sent mail is not kept.
I cant resend if. If you cant find it then we will just have to re negotiate
;-)
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I am at home at the moment, I think I sent it from work via webmail.
> Unfortunately sent mail is not kept.
> I cant resend if. If you cant find it then we will just have
> to re negotiate
> ;-)
I thought we are *always* renegotiating. ;-)
Anyway I think I have it at home.
Ben
Message from Germany to Russia
Thanks for the reply.
> My point wasn't that it will be denied to me, but that I will require StP
to hold it. The end result is that I would be able to build A War. And from
that point on, I'd be forced to cover my remaining home
centers indefinitely.>
You will be doing this anyway. SEV cant be held. The sooner AT forces meet
up the more likely they are to turn on each other if they cant make a
breakthrough. Building an army in WAR wont help the situation now.
I will move to SIL to help you, I have the resources. I am being up front
when I say at the moment I wish to ally with you. But I will have no choice
but to ally with England by offering him Sweden now in the spring and I
would have to try and get a piece of you too to survive. You would have to
bounce me in SIL or PRU. I really am desperate.
Sorry about this but I thought it best to be up front. You have no friends
down south for now unless you can diplome your way out. I am not weak but
neither am I strong. England hasnt commited himself yet to attacking me, he
is still being flexible. The bounce in BEL or HOL was agreed upon just not
decided which one.
If he sees me and you working together then he wont be to willing to move on
STP himself. Build in WAR and have austria, turkey and me attacking you then
he will want a piece of the action.
SEV is lost. UKR should just bounce in GAL or RUM and retreat when need be.
They cant force anything but SEV this year. You will have 4 armies and mine
to protect your homeland until they turn on each other.
> I have not entered my builds yet because I am seriously considering the
possibility of building A StP despite my reservations. I'm not trying to be
difficult, but obviously, my own defense has to take
priority in my planning, as yours does for you.>
And that is where our problem yet opportunity lies. We are both in trouble
if we dont team up. I am just lucky enough to be able to drop back on an
attack on you to survive another year or two.
I also dont mean to be difficult but I am being up front.
> Keep in mind that even if I do build in War, there is still the
possibility that I
could move Mos-StP in spring (sacrificing F Sev, obviously) and then
taking Nwy in the Fall>
I think by then I would have convinced England (after seeing your build) in
taking Sweden as a gift and I would have to attack WAR and HOL just to try
to survive. I will be doing all I can to keep the peace with EF. Luckily
France only has one build.
>Whatever happens, we can keep that on the table.>
I am not sure of this. Building in WAR ensures that England doesnt have to
be friendly towards me, I would have to convince him. Sorry to be putting
this pressure on you but I rather it this way than having let you believe
building in WAR would be ok to then give england sweden and attack you
myself. Its going to take 3 units to remove SEV even if you dont use UKR in
its defense. Pushing UKR to GAL ensure he has to use two to get to GAL. So
by the end of this year your worst scenario is the loss of SEV. A build, and
an ally.
A desperate for survival, will sell my soul to anyone,
Germany.
Message from Germany to Germany
Do you guys/girls/women/others get the idea I am desperate ;-)
To tell you the truth if I was Russia I would have come up with this plan of
Germanys, it seems the logical thing to do.
I really am lucky that France only has one build, i will have to consider
EF(R) as enemies and work out the best possible defense. I am knowingly
cutting down on press to EF to await their press. I have sent both press so
the ball is in their court. Not sure what to do about AIT. Must spend more
time on this game.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
I think this is the press you mentioned. . .
> Well Ben things are looking good for England. I am not to bad off.
> I could offer you SWE for friendship to start with. As France only gets
> one build he is not to much of a worry for me. He has also indicated
> that he can still move anywhere.
Yes, we are still flexible.
> His one build will no doubt be in PAR. If need be I could then push BEL -
> PIC. Two army builds would give me some bargaining power with him.
> We could even still get the EGF on the road. He can still head south,
> you can still head north and I can still head east.
> I will just be a little cautious with France as he was ment to move on
the ENG ;-)
> and grab SPA with the army.
Yes. It's too bad he didn't go with *that* plan. ;o)
> Me and you knew what would happen around BEL/HOL. If france
> would have done what we discussed then that would have left me
> and you in an interesting position. Still its all part of the game so its
> nothing personal against England ;-)
If you were to tell me you took it personally, I would know for sure you
are a liar. :-)
> Now you are looking pretty good and GE or EFG can still hammer
> out all kind of deals.
> Speak soon.
Most flexible might be F LON. I really don't know why I'd build an army .
I'll be curious to see what some of the other powers - particularly Italy -
build & will take it from there.
What do you think?
Ben
Message from Germany to all
Yup, that was the press I was on about.
Well you are at a little crossroad. As we are sure France will be an army then there is no pending threat for you. Usually when playing England its always difficult to get the right amount of armies into play. Usually you need fleets to keep pace with GER fleet build.
This is not the situation in this game. Not only would an army build make me feel more comfortable ;-) but a move nwy - bar, yor - nwyand depending what happens after that edi - nwy sets you up firm in northern russia. Usually to get 2 armies up there is quite a challenge.
But if I were England at this point I too would go for a fleet, probably in EDI but maybe for the show in London ;-)
I will be playing safe and I will be considering all neighbours as hostile in the spring.
Depending on that outcome then anything can happen.
First we have to awit the interesting builds (Italy, Russia, France).
As for me, two armies it has to be. I dont see the point at this stage for a fleet in BER to go after Sweden. If we so decide then either of us can pick it up in the spring or leave it till fall.
It will be interesting to see what the realionship is between AIF.
Speak to you after the builds
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Subject: USTX:c2 - F1901B Broadcast from G
I don't see how it changes anything. But did you mean to broadcast this?
I'll respond later.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Against my better judgement I have put in build A StP. I have set wait to
give me a chance to pain over it for an hour or two and maybe change my
mind again. If I do this, you had *better* come through on your promise of
support. If you support England against me, I will suicide against you.
--- Eric
Austria: BUILD Army Budapest
Austria: BUILD Army Vienna
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Army Paris
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Germany: BUILD Army Munich
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Russia: BUILD Army St Petersburg
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 5
England: 4
France: 4
Germany: 5
Italy: 4
Russia: 5
Turkey: 4
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