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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 1 unit
Germany: Removes 2 units
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric....
I do have to ask one question though....
You told me that you were going to tap Bud for me, but you didnt...why?
How does it hurt you if I get a build, and Turkey doesnt, it does nothing
but help you as far as I can tell.
And this isnt supposed to sound accusatory, but its 330am here and its
been a really long day and I am tired as hell...so please dont take it
that way...
take care
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
It was important to me - you had me blocked in with Gre and Ser, and
your supported move to Gre tells me you were planning on using it as a
stepping stone east next turn. Now I have some breathing room.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> It was important to me - you had me blocked in with Gre and Ser, and
> your supported move to Gre tells me you were planning on using it as a
> stepping stone east next turn. Now I have some breathing room.
>
The move to Greece was so that you werent supporting yourself there, which
is what France, Russia and Austria all told me you were doing.
I was going to GIVE you Greece this year. As soon as I had a dot to
replace it, which was likely Trieste.
I just dont understand the mistrust. I have never made ANY move that can
be construed as treatening to you, and now the Russian is going to grow
like wildfire.
Germany is dead, Russia is going to get his remaining dots, and the
English ones as soon as the French and English get tangled up here.
And now that you have picked a fight with me, he can walk in your back
door.....or he can just let us stand off against each other while he
collects the rest of the board. I would suspect he will be at 12 in 2
years if not sooner.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> I know that you arent going to believe me, regardless of what I say, and
> that is perfectly understandable.
>
> But if I were to ask you what you would like to see in the spring, what
> would my moves be??
Since I wasted much time before speculating on a change
of heart on your part, let's see you build a fleet in Nap first.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > I know that you arent going to believe me, regardless of what I say, and
> > that is perfectly understandable.
> >
> > But if I were to ask you what you would like to see in the spring, what
> > would my moves be??
>
> Since I wasted much time before speculating on a change
> of heart on your part, let's see you build a fleet in Nap first.
Its already ordered.
With that assumption, what would you like to see.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
containment. You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
recipe for disaster.
I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
vassal.
jason
Message from Austria to Italy
> With that assumption, what would you like to see.
The obvious answer is something safe for me that will
still be usefull to you; but let's discuss details after the
builds.
Philippe
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Well I see you dissuaded Erik from the bounce. Thanks a damned lot. ;-)
Now in the North I cannot face Russia, despite Scandinavia's vulnerability,
which means Russia will clean up, and I think you are about to get crushed
under the heel of an RT.
Thoughts?
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
Straight up: it was a complete screwup on my part, and one that I could have
avoided several ways, but was too anxious and short on time to figure it out.
Philippe and Jason both told me that Jason was going to take Ser. Philippe
also offered me Vie to spite you. *That* is why I agreed to work against you.
I figured next season you'd be in a fine position to work with me against AT,
and I'd still be up for it.
Problem was, yesterday I sent you a note I shouldn't have that said that you
were going to lose Ser (which I can't tell whether you even noticed). Being
the unfortunately truthful guy that I am, I told Philippe about my gaffe, who
then said, "no big deal, but then I'm going to have Vie support Adr-Tri".
This happened at 3:45pm, and I had to leave for a class that goes until 7:30
PM (an hour or so before the deadline, and after most of you are asleep).
Seeing Philippe's reply I realized I wasn't going to get vie, and just
entered panic moves. Had I thought it through, I might have talked with you
about it (since the sole benefit of not working with you was that I would get
Vie out of it) and you could have pointed that out to me.
So while there was a plan that made sense behind why I did not tap Bud, it's
not the plan you see from the moves.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> Well I see you dissuaded Erik from the bounce. Thanks a damned lot. ;-)
Sorry.
> Now in the North I cannot face Russia, despite Scandinavia's vulnerability,
> which means Russia will clean up, and I think you are about to get crushed
> under the heel of an RT.
Dont face Russia, he is still a ways from you....build fleets in Liverpool
and London and shut down the French.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > Well I see you dissuaded Erik from the bounce. Thanks a
> damned lot. ;-)
>
> Sorry.
You sir are a capital (Capitol?) jerk. After all the effort I put into
trying to get France to attack *you*, you persuaded him to attack *me*. I
take back my offer to buy you a beer, and I renounce all interest in the
Pitkissers.
At some point I would like to work with you to beat Erik like a drum. But
you need to get your affairs straight in the east, as far as I can tell.
> > Now in the North I cannot face Russia, despite
> Scandinavia's vulnerability,
> > which means Russia will clean up, and I think you are about
> to get crushed
> > under the heel of an RT.
>
> Dont face Russia, he is still a ways from you....build fleets
> in Liverpool
> and London and shut down the French.
No army for defense of the homeland? If I don't build it now I may never
get the chance. . .
Be well - I was just kidding about IRI. Good job.
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
> containment.
This I disagree with. I havent told you where you could or couldnt go. And
I have never invaded any of the territory that borders you.
You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
> and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
> recipe for disaster.
I cant argue with you logic here. Its sound.
But I was going to give you GRE.
> I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
> moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
> to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
> vassal.
Im not sure what gave you the idea that I want you a my vassel. I dont.
Russia is going to grow like gangbusters. And you are the only person in
ANY kind of position to slow him down at all.
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > With that assumption, what would you like to see.
>
> The obvious answer is something safe for me that will
> still be usefull to you; but let's discuss details after the
> builds.
>
No problem
Message from Turkey to Italy
>>Andy, your policy toward me for the last several years has been one of
>>> containment.
> This I disagree with. I havent told you where you could or couldnt go. And
> I have never invaded any of the territory that borders you.
Well, that's somewhat disingenuous, isn't it? You kept me from moving
west, while I had few avenues for advance in the north. I agreed before
you didn't attack me, but you didn't give me many options, either.
>> You want me to accept a situation where a 6 center Italy
>> and a 7 center Russia face a 4 center Turkey. That seems to me to be a
>> recipe for disaster.
> I cant argue with you logic here. Its sound.
>
> But I was going to give you GRE.
That may very well be the case, but I'm sure you've heard plenty of
promises in your time that didn't work out for one reason or another.
>>> I agree Russia is a threat, but as a 4 center power, I have no way of
>>> moving on him, and I'm not sure why you would think I could. I'm willing
>>> to work with you to our mutual advantage, but that can't mean me as your
>>> vassal.
>
>
> Im not sure what gave you the idea that I want you a my vassel. I dont.
I simply meant that as a 6 center power and me as a 4 center power, it
wasn't exactly a matchup of equals.
> Russia is going to grow like gangbusters. And you are the only person in
> ANY kind of position to slow him down at all.
I agree he will, and that's dangerous.
How about this: I'll build F Smy, since that's the only thing that won't
make Russia paranoid (I thought about F Con, but he'd ask lots of
questions). I understand you won't like that, but I need to keep Russia
quiescent. Then, in the Spring, I'll support Bul to Rum with Ser and
Bla. That will cut Russia off at the knees.
I won't take Gre, giving you options against France. I can also move Aeg
to Con to use it in Bla against Sev. That should give us enough leverage.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Office network seems to have lost my response from a few hours ago. My
guess is, you'll get it mid-morning tomorrow. It went pretty much like
this:
> > Well I see you dissuaded Erik from the bounce. Thanks a damned lot.
;-)
>
> Sorry.
Jerk. I renounce my interest in the Pitkissers and I am not buying you a
beer. Hell with you! Some nerve, getting Erik to go after me, while I was
trying to get him to go after you!
> > Now in the North I cannot face Russia, despite Scandinavia's
vulnerability,
> > which means Russia will clean up, and I think you are about to get
crushed
> > under the heel of an RT.
>
> Dont face Russia, he is still a ways from you....build fleets in Liverpool
> and London and shut down the French.
You don't think I should build an army to defend the homeland? I'm worried
if I don't build it now, I won't get a chance.
Please get your stuff straight in the East, so you and I can go beat Erik
like a drum.
Thank you.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
>
> Andy -
> Office network seems to have lost my response from a few hours ago. My
> guess is, you'll get it mid-morning tomorrow. It went pretty much like
> this:
>
> > > Well I see you dissuaded Erik from the bounce. Thanks a damned lot.
> ;-)
> >
> > Sorry.
> Jerk. I renounce my interest in the Pitkissers and I am not buying you a
> beer. Hell with you! Some nerve, getting Erik to go after me, while I was
> trying to get him to go after you!
Actually....all I did was tell him that I catagorically didnt want a
bounce in WES.
Im as surprised as your are.
> > > Now in the North I cannot face Russia, despite Scandinavia's
> vulnerability,
> > > which means Russia will clean up, and I think you are about to get
> crushed
> > > under the heel of an RT.
> >
> > Dont face Russia, he is still a ways from you....build fleets in Liverpool
> > and London and shut down the French.
> You don't think I should build an army to defend the homeland? I'm worried
> if I don't build it now, I won't get a chance.
I dont think you can afford to, you need as many fleets as will allow
right now, to protect all the ways to your island.
> Please get your stuff straight in the East, so you and I can go beat Erik
> like a drum.
Im working on it, but the Turk isnt being helpful at all.
take care
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Reading between the lines of my last press from T, I am still confident he
believes there is an RT.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> Reading between the lines of my last press from T, I am still confident he
> believes there is an RT.
Yeah...he gave me a lame ass line about building a fleet in Smyrna so that
the Russian doesnt get suspicious and that he will leave Greece
alone......
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Yeah...he gave me a lame ass line about building a fleet in
> Smyrna so that
> the Russian doesnt get suspicious and that he will leave Greece
> alone......
When I told you I'd write him about leaving you alone, what I suggested
specifically was AT v R. He told me there wasn't much of an A left anymore,
which is absurd, unless in his mind the red dots are white already. . .
Eric I think is quite the charmer. Anyway, here we go.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> > Yeah...he gave me a lame ass line about building a fleet in
> > Smyrna so that
> > the Russian doesnt get suspicious and that he will leave Greece
> > alone......
> When I told you I'd write him about leaving you alone, what I suggested
> specifically was AT v R. He told me there wasn't much of an A left anymore,
> which is absurd, unless in his mind the red dots are white already. . .
Im leaving the Austrian alone.....entirely, unless he attacks me.
> Eric I think is quite the charmer. Anyway, here we go.
>
He is.
Message from Italy to Italy
Loving Observers....I am writing to you before I respond to the Russian.
Because he is so full of shit his eyes are a nice carmel color.
He has been jerking me off since the game began, and I wouldnt be
surprised at all if he is the person that has organized the entire east
against me. He continues to tell me how he keeps screwing up but he doesnt
have an enemy and is the biggest power on the board.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
Then there is the Turk....who keeps treating me like I am an idiot.....
I mean....I was born at night, but not last night.....
Now....I will be wayyyyyyy beyond stunned if he does ANYTHING he has
claimed, but I am going to go along with him, because I dont have any
choice...arguing with him wont change anything about the situation, but it
will make him less talkative, which I dont want.
Germany is toast....Austria thinks he is toast.
this is going to get intrsting
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> Straight up: it was a complete screwup on my part, and one that I could have
> avoided several ways, but was too anxious and short on time to figure it out.
Ok...I can accept that. But you are a better player than that.
> Philippe and Jason both told me that Jason was going to take Ser. Philippe
> also offered me Vie to spite you. *That* is why I agreed to work against you.
> I figured next season you'd be in a fine position to work with me against AT,
> and I'd still be up for it.
So...what are you up for.
> Problem was, yesterday I sent you a note I shouldn't have that said that you
> were going to lose Ser (which I can't tell whether you even noticed).
I didnt even read it. I never do, If we were playing FtF I would have
never gotten the info, so I just discarded it as if it didnt exist.
Being
> the unfortunately truthful guy that I am, I told Philippe about my gaffe, who
> then said, "no big deal, but then I'm going to have Vie support Adr-Tri".
> This happened at 3:45pm, and I had to leave for a class that goes until 7:30
> PM (an hour or so before the deadline, and after most of you are asleep).
> Seeing Philippe's reply I realized I wasn't going to get vie, and just
> entered panic moves. Had I thought it through, I might have talked with you
> about it (since the sole benefit of not working with you was that I would get
> Vie out of it) and you could have pointed that out to me.
Why wouldnt you revert to what the original (ie...pre offer of Vienna) and
tapped Budapest....
Oh...and if you had moved like I suggested on the Turk you would be
getting 2 Turkish dots this year......but you dont seem to want to fight
him.
> So while there was a plan that made sense behind why I did not tap Bud, it's
> not the plan you see from the moves.
>
Yeah.....you keep getting better offers than a competent, smart and
reliable ally....
Dont know what to do about that, I cant make myself more clueless than I
am.
England: BUILD Fleet Liverpool
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Fleet Marseilles
Germany: REMOVE Fleet Helgoland Bight
Germany: REMOVE Army Munich
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
Austria: 3
England: 5
France: 7
Germany: 2
Italy: 5
Russia: 7
Turkey: 5
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