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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Sorry to be so silent last season. I doubt it affected moves at all, but I
> don't like losing contact anyway.
Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've settled
into my new position at work.
> So you wanted me to disband and not retreat, right? :)
Seems our messages crossed. . .
> Actually, with the two armies, I can make it pretty painful for you to
take
> both Swe and StP. If you will reconsider your position on taking StP,
> perhaps there's more we can do cooperatively.
I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
> Have fun with the game tomorrow, and let me know your thoughts on the new
> board.
Yes, it seems our messengers crossed paths.
Clearly I am bad at math, and you *do* remove one, which is very good for
our future.
Also - this is not a demand, but I would ask you *not* to assist Erik
against Andy, as that would put me in a very awkward position and in the
long run, I suspect force a simplification of the board and a rather bland
and early EFR.
Ben
p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Can you and Turkey keep Russia at bay this year?
I've asked Eric not to help Erik against you - hopefully that will count
for something.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
>Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've settled
>into my new position at work.
Congrats, I hope, on the new position. What is it?
> > So you wanted me to disband and not retreat, right? :)
>Seems our messages crossed. . .
See my broadcast. I don't think our messages crossed, I think I never got
yours.
>I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
>there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
>Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
That seems reasonable, but I'll reserve promises on (b) until I see how Swe
gets lost (e.g., "is there a fleet in Bar?").
>Also - this is not a demand, but I would ask you *not* to assist Erik
>against Andy, as that would put me in a very awkward position and in the
>long run, I suspect force a simplification of the board and a rather bland
>and early EFR.
That's not my plan. As I see it, anything that antagonizes a neighbor more
than I do is good for business. As long as Erik keeps attacking Andy, I
don't see any reason to cut into Andy's defenses. Now if only I could get
Andy or Erik to pull Jason into their fight. :)
>p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
After reading this I thought maybe I missed an email about Doug's update! :)
No, I agreed to take over managing the "Online" section of the pouch
(http://www.diplom.org/Online) for Manus several months ago. There was some
confusion and I thought I was also taking over the "Email" section and went
in and made changes there. Turns out Doug actually manages that section, so
that was meant as a brief reminder to him. That's the second time I've done
something stupid like that.
I'm interested to see if my JDPR goes up or down with the update. Since the
last update I had one solo and two eliminations. But since two of those
games (the solo and an elimination) had 3 top fifteen players between them,
my "expected" result was probably really low and so I expect the solo to
significantly offset the other two.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to all
I seem to have had some difficulty with email in the last day or so.
Clearly the judge got my Fall movement orders, but I have yet to see a
confirmation for that or for any of the other press I sent to the judge
late yesterday. If you have sent me any messages recently that I have not
responded to, please resend them to me. I seem to be getting judge-mail today.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Russia
> You sure you're fighting the right guy?
An excellent question!
jason
Message from Turkey to Turkey
Crap.
I'm sure Andy has some kind of grand scheme, but I don't see it. France
will get Tys in the spring, and Russia will take Tri. It looks like EFR
in the end.
I definetely played too wishy-washy: I didn't stick with a plan. AT
could have worked well in the beginning, if we'd actually made any
progress. RT could have worked as well, if Russia hadn't gotten Mun and
threatened to run away with it. Heck, IT could have done nicely with
Russia disbanding.
All in all, I'm not too pleased with my performance this game.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Now, you gave me a hard time through many turns about working with
Russia, and when I decide to go after him, you stop me! Does a 5-center
Turkey threaten you that much?
If you don't want to get crushed between France and Russia, you need me
to hold off Russia. Right now, I can't.
jason
Message from Turkey to England
Nice going! 8 centers and on the move.
Unfortunately, with Andy's stab, I'm in bad shape down here. At least I
kept Russia tied up for you. We'll see if I can stay in the game now. :-)
jason
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> >Yeah, I've been bad too, but I expect that to change now that I've
settled
> >into my new position at work.
>
> Congrats, I hope, on the new position. What is it?
I'm a prosecutor. In Baltimore we staff the city jail 24 hours a day to
charge (or not charge) all arrests in the city. I recently volunteered to
take the night shift for a 6 month rotation - 9 to 9, 2 days on, 3 days
off, with an occasional 1 day on, 4 days off. Basically I will be working
nights 13 of every 25 days, from 9 pm to 9 am, in the city jail.
It's pretty different from the trial work I'd been doing.
> >I have no problem leaving STP, I do not think I have lost serious time
> >there, *if* you can (a) remove HEL, and (b) disband SWE when I hit it.
> >Then I will still be able to pull away at an acceptable speed.
>
> That seems reasonable, but I'll reserve promises on (b) until I see how
Swe
> gets lost (e.g., "is there a fleet in Bar?").
Is this specific? *If* no fleet in BAR *then* disband A SWE?
> >p.s. Congratulations Mr. Fat Cat JDPR ;-)
>
> After reading this I thought maybe I missed an email about Doug's update!
:)
You did and you didn't. It wasn't an e-mail, it was a post on r.g.d.
Check r.g.d. for the link.
> I'm interested to see if my JDPR goes up or down with the update. Since
the
> last update I had one solo and two eliminations. But since two of those
> games (the solo and an elimination) had 3 top fifteen players between
them,
> my "expected" result was probably really low and so I expect the solo to
> significantly offset the other two.
I'm not going to spoil the surprise, Mr. Fat Cat JDPR. Look it up
yourself, hot shot. ;o)
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Now, you gave me a hard time through many turns about working with
> Russia, and when I decide to go after him, you stop me! Does a 5-center
> Turkey threaten you that much?
Jason...you dont threaten me at all...
But France does....and I told him flat out 2 years ago that if he came to
the Med...I would help Russia....
He called my bluff.
You get the French out of the Med...and I will stop helping the Russian.
Message from Russia to England
>I'm not going to spoil the surprise, Mr. Fat Cat JDPR. Look it up
>yourself, hot shot. ;o)
Okay, half an hour of searching r.g.d, http://obscurestuff, and floc.net,
and I'm still lost. I see that Doug did update the JDPR stats, but I'm not
clear what that has to do with anything. The only vague reference I see to
myself is that I was in "foot", which was a highly rated game. But as I was
eliminated, that doesn't say much.
Ironically, on floc.net my JDPR also seems to have disappeared.
"Perhaps you are not using the same Internet that I am."
Aha. Looking through the complete listing, I think I get the reference now.
Looks like I jumped 150 or so to 1498. Three points low enough to stay
under the "Top 100 All-Time" radar. Probably a good thing reputation-wise.
:) I may well make the Standard and Full-Press Dip lists when they are
upgraded. I have 5 chaos type-games on my record (4 losses and 3/6ths of a
6WD), so in Standard I suspect my score is a smidge higher than my overall.
The 1498 score would be about 40th overall for Full Press Standard if
everyone else stayed about the same.
And I'm still missing that earlier message from you if you'd care to
re-forward it.
--- Eric
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Nice going! 8 centers and on the move.
Thanks.
> Unfortunately, with Andy's stab, I'm in bad shape down here. At least I
> kept Russia tied up for you. We'll see if I can stay in the game now. :-)
Hm. How bad are things with Andy? Is it salvageable, do you think?
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Oops! I meant to send this with my last press. Note my poor math skills.
The meat of this press is near the bottom.
> Message sent to Russia:
>
> Message from benjamin.harris@mindspring.com as England to Russia in 'c2':
>
> Eric -
> Well, well, well. Looks like you'll be keeping that F HEL, after all,
> unless I am counting poorly. You can achieve a similar effect by
> disbanding NWY & rebuilding in the south, but I will leave it up to you.
> It's all the same to me, either way, for that unit.
>
> If you keep pressing in the south we could be drifting toward a classic
E/R
> 2WD, and I *know* you are familiar with the art of the 2WD. ;-)
>
> Anyway, nicely played.
>
> Ben
>
> End of message.
Message from Italy to England
Ben
> Can you and Turkey keep Russia at bay this year?
that depends...Can you and Turkey get the French OUT of the Med....
> I've asked Eric not to help Erik against you - hopefully that will count
> for something.
Oh....I dont care if Eric takes my dots.
Hell...I have told him the they are his.
Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
Message from Turkey to England
Well, it looks like Andy is trying to keep France off his back by
throwing the game to Russia if he advances. Lucky me. :-)
Not sure if there's anything that can be done about that. France won't
leave the Med to attack you (and that would only let Russia take me
out), and Andy will probably carry out his threat. All I can do is try
and take as many centers from him as I can.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, fair enough. I'll see what I can do.
jason
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric...
You need to change your thinking here a little bit.
I will get back to you in a little while.
Andy
Every normal man must be tempted, at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats"
- H.L.Menken
Message from Italy to Russia
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
there in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
Focus on Russia.
I will focus on the IF problem. I think it can be resolved, but if you
collapse, there will be a Russian solo.
Which is not what Andy wants - he may be willing to give you tactical
advice. I don't know - no harm in asking.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
Well I watched it in Comments. Go ahead & lay it out for me, & for the
gallery, please.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> > Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
> Well I watched it in Comments. Go ahead & lay it out for me, & for the
> gallery, please.
Draws include *Me*.
If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
I possibly can.
Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Draws include *Me*.
Why shouldn't they?
> If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
> I possibly can.
>
> Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
Interesting - the flip side being your philosophy about the size of the
draw that *does* include you, I guess. I recall the draw whittling
discussion in Comments, which was going on as I was pleading for my one
center life in Teachme3. I wonder if I owe you a debt of gratitude - I was
included as a technically-unnecessary participant in a 4wd. I agree with
some of your press from last game, about the size of the draw being a
*lesser* consideration; I was surprised at the number of people in the game
& elsewhere who seem to think draw whittling is a moral imperative.
Anyway back to C2:
I do not think it is too late for an RIE. *But* for it to be possible you
will have to keep Turkey alive with sound advice and protect yourself from
Russia with diplomacy, if you can, while for now you engage France.
My 2c - I am curious for your thoughts. Also tactical advice is always
welcome. A EDI and F LON I think is what I will do - sets up the convoy to
NWY and reclamation of NTH - for now. ;-)
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > Draws include *Me*.
> Why shouldn't they?
>
I agree...
> > If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
> > I possibly can.
> >
> > Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
> Interesting - the flip side being your philosophy about the size of the
> draw that *does* include you, I guess. I recall the draw whittling
> discussion in Comments, which was going on as I was pleading for my one
> center life in Teachme3. I wonder if I owe you a debt of gratitude - I was
> included as a technically-unnecessary participant in a 4wd. I agree with
> some of your press from last game, about the size of the draw being a
> *lesser* consideration; I was surprised at the number of people in the game
> & elsewhere who seem to think draw whittling is a moral imperative.
Because you get a higher score for a 3 way than a 4 way....
> Anyway back to C2:
>
> I do not think it is too late for an RIE. *But* for it to be possible you
> will have to keep Turkey alive with sound advice and protect yourself from
> Russia with diplomacy, if you can, while for now you engage France.
Well....Im not sure that is possible. France is all over me, and I told
both of you that if he came to the Med, I would help the Russian Solo.
And he is giving me every reason to carry out that threat.
> My 2c - I am curious for your thoughts. Also tactical advice is always
> welcome. A EDI and F LON I think is what I will do - sets up the convoy to
> NWY and reclamation of NTH - for now. ;-)
Those are sound tactical ideas...
>
> Ben
>
Message from France to England
Ben:
I'm considering building F Bre. I know that kind of statement coming from
France is never welcome news, but I'd like you to consider it. You're
getting two builds, both of which, by necessity, will be right in my back
yard. I need another fleet anyway, so I think it would be good for both of
us if I built that fleet in Bre, both to reassure me and keep you honest.
Frankly, one French fleet isn't going to do much to you at this point, and
it will eventually be moving south anyway, so I'm hoping you will see it
as less a threat than a deterrent. We're both doing quite well in our
north / south strategy, and I would hate to see it derailed by temptation
on either part.
Thoughts?
Erik
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Obviously, I'd like to see the fleet in Ska stick around, as I never know
what Ben's up to next. In fact, I'm trying to get him to agree to a build
of F Bre, so it could be more useful that we think. It's up to you,
though. You've clearly got other needs, too.
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> I'm considering building F Bre.
Good lord, thank you for the warning.
> I know that kind of statement coming from
> France is never welcome news, but I'd like you to consider it. You're
> getting two builds, both of which, by necessity, will be right in my back
> yard. I need another fleet anyway, so I think it would be good for both of
> us if I built that fleet in Bre, both to reassure me and keep you honest.
> Frankly, one French fleet isn't going to do much to you at this point, and
> it will eventually be moving south anyway, so I'm hoping you will see it
> as less a threat than a deterrent. We're both doing quite well in our
> north / south strategy, and I would hate to see it derailed by temptation
> on either part.
Hm. Well, my next few moves are pretty much mapped out by the board - I am
sure you can see them for yourself - convoying EDI - NWY, pressing further
into the northern centers, etc. And yes, that entails F LON.
Erik, I understand your desire to garrison the home dots. But you have two
armies right now near(ish) your home centers, whereas I have zero units
threatening them. After this build phase, I will have one, but it will
still be outnumbered by your home 2.
If BRE follows to MAO, as I imagine you are planning it, I will be
vulnerable, and then *I* will have to increase *my* home garrison, which is
not something I want to do. I want to push and keep pushing, and I had
hoped you and I were feeling comfortable enough to proceed that way.
Nevertheless if you must increase your home garrison, I would urge you to
consider simply building A MAR. It can go either way - if my builds make
you nervous, it can protect BRE, etc., but if you decide you want to press
on into the Italian/German centers, where you are headed already, it can do
that, too. I won't ask you to tell me ahead of time; I will continue to
press in the North. I will reclaim NTH from LON and convoy to NWY. In my
position, wouldn't you?
You asked my opinion, I'm giving it to you. You have A BUR and A BEL to
defend yourself from my zero attacking units. I am urging you to
reconsider, and build a flexible A MAR.
If you are not persuaded, let me know. . . I would like to discuss it
more, if necessary.
Ben
Message from France to England
Ben:
Your argument is reasonable, and given the arrangement of our forces right
now, I suppose I'm willing to continue focusing on expansion, not
protection. I will build in Par or Mar.
Doing the math, Russia *is* in a position to solo right now, assuming he
swallows up the remaining Italian centers, all the Turkish centers. I'm
pretty sure I can reach a stalemate with Andy in the Med now that I have
Tunis, but I can't guarantee that I'll take much more.
So, this means that it's crucial that we take Sweden and Munich. I haven't
examined a potential EFR stalemate line yet, but I assume it requires that
much, as he's then limited to 17 centers counting what IT can provide.
Thoughts?
Erik
Message from England to England
If Erik is not going to build in MAR, then F BRE is my next choice. An A
PAR or A BRE would pose more serious problems for me, I think.
I am curious to know what the commentators think about this, if any
commentators are left.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Your argument is reasonable, and given the arrangement of our forces right
> now, I suppose I'm willing to continue focusing on expansion, not
> protection. I will build in Par or Mar.
Good. For now I do not think you will need another army in the German
centers - I have one, and you have two, provided BEL - RUH, which should be
enough, as I can fill in as needed elsewhere with fleets.
> Doing the math, Russia *is* in a position to solo right now, assuming he
> swallows up the remaining Italian centers, all the Turkish centers. I'm
> pretty sure I can reach a stalemate with Andy in the Med now that I have
> Tunis, but I can't guarantee that I'll take much more.
>
> So, this means that it's crucial that we take Sweden and Munich. I haven't
> examined a potential EFR stalemate line yet, but I assume it requires that
> much, as he's then limited to 17 centers counting what IT can provide.
We should be ok. You are correct that we need MUN at least, and now that I
study the map (I hear them laughing at us in the gallery) we need to move
quickly to take it. I shall have to hold onto BER, I think; I will study
the map more when I am working tonight. There is a window of opportunity
for us to consider you pulling back to get Andy's cooperation, if we will
need it. Too hard to tell with MUN/BER still up in the air.
> Thoughts?
You got 'em.
Ben
Message from Observer to Observer
Ben prefers a French F Bre build over A Bre or A Par. I think A Bre
isn't a realistic option, so that leaves A Par. The army poses a
bigger problem to him only if he decided to invade France (which,
reading the press, I think he has). It's true that once France finds
out about it F MAO can move to IRI but it can't intervene in Bel -
the immediate target for Ben. Once he gains ground in Swe and builds
2 it should be going a lot easier. Furthermore, only one fleet can
pass through MAO at a time.
I'm not so sure whether discouraging France to use an army (if he
builds it) in Germany is such a good idea. The hidden message (leave
Bel and northern France undefended) could set the alarm bells off
seeing the uses for a French army in Italy don't really outweigh
those for an army in Italy. And as Erik has already said that he's
worried about his underdefended borders it's doubtful
Message from Russia to Italy
I'm still waiting to see how I should change my thinking. For now, I've got
disband F Hel entered.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
As much as I'd like to keep F Hel, I don't know that I can hold in both the
north and the south if I do. Unfortunately there was next to zero discussion
over the weekend, so I don't know who's doing what. As a result, I think I
have to continue to assume everyone is attacking me. While I'd love to see F
Bre for personal reasons, you need to keep an eye on Ben as well. With two
builds he could come after me, but could just as easily move south. I know he
and Andy have had close negotiations in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised
if he would be hoping for Andy's help against you if it comes to that.
On my end, sorry about attacking Philippe. I really did want to keep him
around and did so as long as I could. The good news is that I managed to do
it in a way that didn't gain Andy any extra dots. And with Philippe being
gone now, it keeps him from turning on me (so I can still focus energy
towards Andy or Jason).
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
I am resending this to you then....
This spelled out some of but not all of, being more agressive and not more
conservative.
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
Serbia in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from Russia to all
Hmm:
> From: "USTX Diplomacy Judge" <ustx@spencersoft.com>
> [....]
> Adjustment orders for Winter of 1906. (c2.026)
>
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Tyrolia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in the Helgoland
Bight.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Ukraine.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Silesia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in Armenia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Galicia.
Now THAT is a way to motivate getting orders in on time! :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
What, me conservative? :)
Odd, I didn't ever see that message from you. Something still odd with my
email, I guess. That's worrisome.
Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum,
which would cost me a fleet in the south. But you may be right that it's past
time for conservatism.
I'll look your move suggestions over in more detail later, but in general I
can go for being more aggressive.
If I'm going to b chancy, something I might consider in the north is Swe H,
StP-Mos and assume that Swe gets retreated. Ben has suggested not taking StP
(i.e., not moving to Bar) if I agree to disband Swe when it's hit. If he does
move west, and if I disband Swe, it gives me more chances to build in the
south. Of course, I'd be screwed if he moved to StP and didn't hit Swe.
--- Eric
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Helgoland Bight
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Constantinople
Centers
England: 8
France: 7
Italy: 5
Russia: 10
Turkey: 4
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