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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Can you and Turkey keep Russia at bay this year?
I've asked Eric not to help Erik against you - hopefully that will count
for something.
Ben
Message from Russia to all
I seem to have had some difficulty with email in the last day or so.
Clearly the judge got my Fall movement orders, but I have yet to see a
confirmation for that or for any of the other press I sent to the judge
late yesterday. If you have sent me any messages recently that I have not
responded to, please resend them to me. I seem to be getting judge-mail today.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Italy
Now, you gave me a hard time through many turns about working with
Russia, and when I decide to go after him, you stop me! Does a 5-center
Turkey threaten you that much?
If you don't want to get crushed between France and Russia, you need me
to hold off Russia. Right now, I can't.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Now, you gave me a hard time through many turns about working with
> Russia, and when I decide to go after him, you stop me! Does a 5-center
> Turkey threaten you that much?
Jason...you dont threaten me at all...
But France does....and I told him flat out 2 years ago that if he came to
the Med...I would help Russia....
He called my bluff.
You get the French out of the Med...and I will stop helping the Russian.
Message from Italy to England
Ben
> Can you and Turkey keep Russia at bay this year?
that depends...Can you and Turkey get the French OUT of the Med....
> I've asked Eric not to help Erik against you - hopefully that will count
> for something.
Oh....I dont care if Eric takes my dots.
Hell...I have told him the they are his.
Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, fair enough. I'll see what I can do.
jason
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric...
You need to change your thinking here a little bit.
I will get back to you in a little while.
Andy
Every normal man must be tempted, at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats"
- H.L.Menken
Message from Italy to Russia
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
there in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
Well I watched it in Comments. Go ahead & lay it out for me, & for the
gallery, please.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> > Ben...have I ever discussed my endgame philosophy with you??
> Well I watched it in Comments. Go ahead & lay it out for me, & for the
> gallery, please.
Draws include *Me*.
If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
I possibly can.
Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Draws include *Me*.
Why shouldn't they?
> If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
> I possibly can.
>
> Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
Interesting - the flip side being your philosophy about the size of the
draw that *does* include you, I guess. I recall the draw whittling
discussion in Comments, which was going on as I was pleading for my one
center life in Teachme3. I wonder if I owe you a debt of gratitude - I was
included as a technically-unnecessary participant in a 4wd. I agree with
some of your press from last game, about the size of the draw being a
*lesser* consideration; I was surprised at the number of people in the game
& elsewhere who seem to think draw whittling is a moral imperative.
Anyway back to C2:
I do not think it is too late for an RIE. *But* for it to be possible you
will have to keep Turkey alive with sound advice and protect yourself from
Russia with diplomacy, if you can, while for now you engage France.
My 2c - I am curious for your thoughts. Also tactical advice is always
welcome. A EDI and F LON I think is what I will do - sets up the convoy to
NWY and reclamation of NTH - for now. ;-)
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > Draws include *Me*.
> Why shouldn't they?
>
I agree...
> > If I am not going to be in the draw, I will take as many people with me as
> > I possibly can.
> >
> > Losing to a 6 way draw and losing to solo are equal in my eyes.
> Interesting - the flip side being your philosophy about the size of the
> draw that *does* include you, I guess. I recall the draw whittling
> discussion in Comments, which was going on as I was pleading for my one
> center life in Teachme3. I wonder if I owe you a debt of gratitude - I was
> included as a technically-unnecessary participant in a 4wd. I agree with
> some of your press from last game, about the size of the draw being a
> *lesser* consideration; I was surprised at the number of people in the game
> & elsewhere who seem to think draw whittling is a moral imperative.
Because you get a higher score for a 3 way than a 4 way....
> Anyway back to C2:
>
> I do not think it is too late for an RIE. *But* for it to be possible you
> will have to keep Turkey alive with sound advice and protect yourself from
> Russia with diplomacy, if you can, while for now you engage France.
Well....Im not sure that is possible. France is all over me, and I told
both of you that if he came to the Med, I would help the Russian Solo.
And he is giving me every reason to carry out that threat.
> My 2c - I am curious for your thoughts. Also tactical advice is always
> welcome. A EDI and F LON I think is what I will do - sets up the convoy to
> NWY and reclamation of NTH - for now. ;-)
Those are sound tactical ideas...
>
> Ben
>
Message from Russia to Italy
I'm still waiting to see how I should change my thinking. For now, I've got
disband F Hel entered.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
I am resending this to you then....
This spelled out some of but not all of, being more agressive and not more
conservative.
> As a first take I could see:
>
> You:
> Tus S Tri-Ven (etc.)
> Me:
> Tyl-Mun
> Sil S Tyl-Mun
> Vie-Tyl
> Bud-Tri (more on that below)
> Gal-Bud
> Ukr S Rum or Arm-Sev
> Rum S Arm-Sev
This is WAYYYYYYYY too conservative.
> In fall, that puts a supported attack on Ser, with Gre able to cut support.
> I'd move Tri-Ser in Fall, which is then guaranteed. You could perhaps use
> the taking of Tri along with Philippe's broadcast to get "back in" with EFT.
You dont need a supported attack on SER.
In spring...
RUM - BUL(EC)
BUD - SER
UKR - SEV
ARM s UKR - SEV
GAL - RUM
GRE s RUM - BUL
You either get to SER clean, or BUL is popped and if BUL is popped you get
Serbia in the fall, clean.
> If you are reasonably sure that Jason will hold in Bul, then Bud-Ser,
> Gal-Sil with Sil-Pru or somesuch makes more sense.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Disband HEL
Sweden - Finland
St Pete - Moscow...
In the fall you support Finland to Stp...it protects STP for another year,
maybe more.
I would bet an enormous sum of money that NWY - STP will not happen in the
spring.
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
VIE - TYR
They dont really have armie in the middle of the board yet, and they will
fight once they do, so use this as a holding routine until you start
getting builds from Turkey.
In the fall depending on the configuration on the board, you will support
yourself to BLA.
> Either way, once I'm in Ser, I would then support you into Bul, getting you
> a build and costing Jason one. If we can get that far, then Turkey will
> fall for sure. The trick is keeping you alive at home (probably with builds
> from Turkey) while I get fleets out behind you.
Which means we have to attack Turkey not pussy foot around.
You dont need to go to TRI at all.
> In the north, I promised to disband F Hel, but I'm intrigued by the idea of
> disbanding F Swe, then moving Ukr-Mos to support and make Ben's life a
> living hell. It's not compatible with the above plan for the south (I'd
> need to use Gal to support Rum if Ukr is not around).
You can do the northern piece without moving UKR - MOS as documented
above.
Andy
Message from Russia to all
Hmm:
> From: "USTX Diplomacy Judge" <ustx@spencersoft.com>
> [....]
> Adjustment orders for Winter of 1906. (c2.026)
>
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Tyrolia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in the Helgoland
Bight.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Ukraine.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Silesia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the fleet in Armenia.
> Russia: Defaults, removing the army in Galicia.
Now THAT is a way to motivate getting orders in on time! :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
What, me conservative? :)
Odd, I didn't ever see that message from you. Something still odd with my
email, I guess. That's worrisome.
Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum,
which would cost me a fleet in the south. But you may be right that it's past
time for conservatism.
I'll look your move suggestions over in more detail later, but in general I
can go for being more aggressive.
If I'm going to b chancy, something I might consider in the north is Swe H,
StP-Mos and assume that Swe gets retreated. Ben has suggested not taking StP
(i.e., not moving to Bar) if I agree to disband Swe when it's hit. If he does
move west, and if I disband Swe, it gives me more chances to build in the
south. Of course, I'd be screwed if he moved to StP and didn't hit Swe.
--- Eric
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Fleet London
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Russia: REMOVE Fleet Helgoland Bight
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Constantinople
Centers
England: 8
France: 7
Italy: 5
Russia: 10
Turkey: 4
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