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Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> Movement results for Fall of 1914. (titleist.055)
> Italy: Army Galicia -> Budapest.
> Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Galicia -> Budapest.
> Russia: Army Albania -> Serbia. (*bounce*)
> Russia: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Albania -> Serbia. (*cut, dislodged*)
> The following units were dislodged:
> The Russian Army in Budapest with no valid retreats was destroyed.
I want him dead. It's up to you whether we do it, or I help France do it,
but I will not set draw while Italy is on the board, and eliminating him
just
became my primary mission.
Nick.
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
Oh, come on, you take Vienna and Budapest, I'll take Ankara, we'll convince
Ivy to take Berlin, and everyone will be happier. Or at least me... 8-)
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Oh, come on, you take Vienna and Budapest, I'll take
>Ankara, we'll convince
>Ivy to take Berlin, and everyone will be happier. Or at
>least me... 8-)
Whatever.
I do not have faith in your going through with it.
You do have to hand it to Italy, he has been playing us
well.
--King Roger XIII
PS: I need a vacation
PS: You
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
>PS: I need a vacation
>PS: You
The second PS was from a moved part of the message (about
handing it to Italy). I did not mean to imply that you
were the reason that I needed a vacation. You are only
1/3 of the reason :-)
Roger
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Will this madness ever end?
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Nice job.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
The action in Budapest reminded me of something. I once
played in a Chaos type game where you never had to remove
units. You could build when you had more centers than
units. But you did not have to remove units if you had
more units than centers. The only way to remove someone
from the game was to surround their units and dislodge
them without retreats.
That is the only way to were are probably going to
eliminate Italy. This is especially true when you notice
that even if you take Budapest or Vienna, he can simply
grab Kiel and maintain his units.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
> >Oh, come on, you take Vienna and Budapest, I'll take
> >Ankara, we'll convince Ivy to take Berlin, and >everyone will be
>happier. Or at least me... 8-)
>I do not have faith in your going through with it.
Why not? Vie and Bud give you 17, so it's not like
I'm throwing the game to you just to get rid of Italy.
Getting rid of Italy will speed up play, (it is
difficult to get him to agree to moves), and simplify
your planning and mine.
Nick.
Message from England to France
>Will this madness ever end?
My dear King Roger, you have the power to end it. Simply issue a heartfelt
appeal for a 4-way draw.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Why not?
Your first reaction after the movement results tends to
be based on emotions rather that calm thinking :-) After
you reflect, you almost always change your mind. Look at
this last move. At first all you wanted to do was
eliminate Italy. Then you were just going to hold all
your units. In the end, you had a semi-peaceful
coexistence with him and focussed on me. :-)
I understand that you would like to eliminate Italy and
then you would want me near a solo to keep Ivy in line.
But you would worry about my trying to grab the solo and
I would worry about your betraying me and pushing me back
further. I am not saying that it is impossible, but it
would have to be handled carefully.
I would like to see obvious a nice defensible position
for each of us. I would also prefer Turkey because I can
defend it, unlike the Balkans. Perhaps you can take
Budapest and Vienna and I will take Ankara?
Build an army in Warsaw and we can probably figure
something out. Build a fleet in Sevastopol and there is
probably no hope.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
I have been very harsh in my criticism of Russia, almost always siding with
Italy in the disputes. Not this time.
England to Italy: Can you live with: Galicia supp Vienna
Italy to England: Yes.
Russia to England: I would be surprised indeed, if he doesn't order Vie S
Gal-Bud, or Gal-War.
England to Russia: Yeah. I can't rule it out, but I don't think he will do
it. He has not lied to me that I can recall.
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Galicia -> Budapest.
Roger is better than the rest of us, but no one should have been able to
solo from the position he has held recently.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
>Roger is better than the rest of us,
Pah! (I invented that word, but it expresses my
feelings precisely :-)
I emphatically disagree that I am better than any of you.
Luck and circumstances have me where I am.
>but no one should have been able to
>solo from the position he has held recently.
I will point out that I have not soloed!
*and*
Finally someone admits that my position is not a strong
solo position!
Roger
Message from Italy to England
I won't argue with you that my move was incorrect. In hindsight, my best
move was vie supp gal-boh. However, in my albeit brief talks with France, I
felt there was a reasonable chance that Budapest would be a beleaguered
garrison. Neither of our orders prevented pie-tyr-boh which is one of many
reasons France's solo chances has increased. Like a wise man once said,
perspective is a wonderful thing.
> Yeah. I can't rule it out, but I don't think he will do
> it. He has not lied to me that I can recall.
This was #2. #1 involved spain/south coast.
The real reason France is in the position he is in is because I no longer
have the energy to sort fact from fiction from Nick's words. I tried for 13
and half game years and I just can't do it anymore. When I reach that point
when I just want to grab something by the neck and not let go, the game just
doesn't mean that much anymore.
Roberto
Message from England to France
King Roger,
>Pah! (I invented that word, but it expresses my
>feelings precisely :-)
Sorry, I've seen the word before.
>I emphatically disagree that I am better than any of you.
>Luck and circumstances have me where I am.
I agree a little bit, at least. But I wouldn't have even been in the final
were it not for luck and circumstances. I got my solo in round one on a
50-50 guess. Interchange my second game with my semi-final game and I
wouldn't be here either. Someone else -- Karlis, I believe -- would have
been here instead.
> >but no one should have been able to
> >solo from the position he has held recently.
>I will point out that I have not soloed!
But you will. It's so frustrating. I guess I have to take some of the
blame, because I have been unable to get Stalin and Hitler to hug and
kiss. I envy you and feel sorry for me. 8-) That's life, I suppose. It
makes one more mature. Sadder and wiser and all of that.
>Finally someone admits that my position is not a strong solo position!
You don't, or at least didn't, have a solo position, but you have solo
circumstances. It shouldn't happen, but it does. If only I had you to
help me stop the solo, it would turn out differently.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Any thoughts on my build, or next Spring?
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>>Pah!
>Sorry, I've seen the word before.
Darn you :-) MS word does not know it though!
>>I emphatically disagree that I am better than any of
>>you. Luck and circumstances have me where I am.
>Interchange my second game with my semi-final game and I
>wouldn't be here either. Someone else -- Karlis, I
>believe -- would have been here instead.
Karlis is good, but so are you. Do not sell yourself
short. I am not saying that I do not belong here (there
are many people who could be here and I am lucky enough
to be one of them that made it). I was saying that I do
not see myself better than you three. I have the most
units now due to circumstances.
>You don't, or at least didn't, have a solo position,
>but you have solo circumstances.
/and/
>>I will point out that I have not soloed!
>But you will.
I have had these circumstances for 3 game years now and
have not soloed. So what makes you think that I will
ever pull it off? Obviously I do not know how to play
the "big leader position". All I can manage is to "hang
on". It does not help that my tactics are sometimes
weak.
>If only I had you to help me stop the solo, it would
>turn out differently.
Yeah, I would have stab you visciously by now ;-) :-)
(During the hug of course :-)
--King Roger XIII
PS: I know that no one is enjoying this game, but I
struggle with the draw idea. First (obviously), I could
win; but that is probably a low probability. Second, I
feel since it is a "showcase" game, that it should be
played correctly. This game is not over and not
stalemated. So ending it now would be like quitting. Do
we owe it to "the game of diplomacy" to play it to the
end? Whatever that might be?
Message from Russia to England and France
>Message from France to England, Russia and Italy in 'titleist':
> >Roger is better than the rest of us,
>I emphatically disagree that I am better than any of you.
>Luck and circumstances have me where I am.
Right, you're just lucky to be #3 on the JDPR, (and
the probable #1 when the new list comes out.) Tell
us one we'll believe, Roger.
> >but no one should have been able to
> >solo from the position he has held recently.
>I will point out that I have not soloed!
Yet...
>Finally someone admits that my position is not a strong
>solo position!
Against a coordinated opposition, you would have
difficulty, even at this point, but given the
circumstances, I expect you'll be embarassed if
you don't solo. Position is much more than just
Units on the board, and we all know that.
Eric.
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
>Your first reaction after the movement results tends to
>be based on emotions rather that calm thinking :-) After
>you reflect, you almost always change your mind. Look at
>this last move. At first all you wanted to do was
>eliminate Italy. Then you were just going to hold all
>your units. In the end, you had a semi-peaceful
>coexistence with him and focussed on me. :-)
If you would agree to my not unreasonable conditions,
I wouldn't be forced to look for alternatives. 8-)
My HOLD orders remained in place until just a few hours
before the deadline. All you had to do is set draw,
and I never would have had to change them. In the end,
I listened to Ivy, because I figured it would finally
turn Ivy against Roberto. That at least, seems to
have worked. ;^}
>I would like to see obvious a nice defensible position
>for each of us. I would also prefer Turkey because I can
>defend it, unlike the Balkans. Perhaps you can take
>Budapest and Vienna and I will take Ankara?
Umm, no, that would leave me pinned between you and
Ivy and subject to elimination, myself.
>Build an army in Warsaw and we can probably figure
>something out. Build a fleet in Sevastopol and there is
>probably no hope.
I will take your suggestions under advisement.
Nick.
Message from England to France
King Roger,
> Second, I feel since it is a "showcase" game, that it should be played
> correctly.
From where I am sitting, it is much too late to hope that titleist will be
played correctly. I do admit that it might have instructional value. For
how to stop the leader, read the French & English correspondence when Italy
was surging. For how not to stop the leader, read the ERI correspondence
of late. Although, on second thought, I'm not sure I would recommend that
painful, horrendous correspondence to anyone.
Allen/Ivy
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
[Make sure you read through to the end. There is something you will like
there.]
>In hindsight, my best
>move was vie supp gal-boh.
Nick and I share the blame in this. Last year I warned him about the
Tyrolia/Bohemia/Silesia path and wanted to move
Berlin->Silesia->Bohemia. Nick insisted "no," and I gave in to him.
>He has not lied to me that I can recall.
>This was #2. #1 involved spain/south coast.
Two lies in 14 Diplomacy years is a model of honesty.
>When I reach that point
>when I just want to grab something by the neck and not let go, the game just
>doesn't mean that much anymore.
Verbatim from my wife's office wall:
ANTI-STRESS EXERCISE
1. Picture yourself near a stream.
2. Birds are chirping in the crisp, cool mountain air.
3. Nothing can bother you here. No one knows this secret place.
4. You are in total seclusion from that place called "the world". The
soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade of serenity.
5. The water is clear.
6. You can easily make out the face of the person whose head you're holding
under water.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Italy to England
>
> [Make sure you read through to the end. There is something
> you will like there.]
>
LOL! You made my day. Thanks.
Roberto
Message from England to Russia
>Any thoughts on my build, or next Spring?
Tough call. I might build a fleet in Sevastopol and send Moscow to
Warsaw. The alternative, building an army in Warsaw while sending Moscow
to Sevastopol, is a little less flexible. A fleet in Sevastopol can do
anything that an army could and more. Also, there may be greater urgency
in occupying Sevastopol than in occupying Warsaw.
As for the spring, I expect we will have many days or even weeks to think
about it. The respite could cool us down a bit, and that can't hurt.
Allen/Ivy
Message from Master to Italy
Ken,
Just let me know when you'd like that extension to start. I'll put
it at two months and you just let me know when you're ready to go
again, then we'll move the deadline back in.
Doug
Message from Italy to Master
>
> Just let me know when you'd like that extension to start. I'll put
> it at two months and you just let me know when you're ready to go
> again, then we'll move the deadline back in.
>
Okay. When I leave today from work in about three hours, that'll pretty
much be it. I'm due at the hospital at noon tomorrow and then it's just a
matter of what the doc finds.
I'd suggest setting the deadline after the adjustments.
Thanks,
Ken
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Although I was not personally ecstatic about your moves,
I do not see why Ivy and Nick can be so upset. You were
doing what you had to do in order to survive. They each
have done no different (Nick to you and Ivy to Nick).
I would have liked to seen you in Warsaw and not Berlin.
But I do not think you evil because you positioned
yourself where you felt you needed to be.
--King Roger XIII
PS: Do watch your back. With Ivy upset with you, Nick
may be able to talk him into cutting you out. Ivy may
prefer you to Nick, but he would much prefer only one of
you to having you both around making life difficult.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
There will be no EF draw. So isolate your units (Turkey)
where Ivy cannot help them at your own risk. :-)
I am willing to listen to any proposals for eliminating
Italy. I have told you my criterion for being more open
minded.
--King Roger XIII
Italy: WAIVE
Russia: BUILD Fleet Sevastopol
Centers
England: 8
France: 15
Italy: 4
Russia: 7
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