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Message from Russia to England
Ivy, My Friend,
I suspect you may have been surprised by Mos-StP. Please rest assured
that I have no reason, nor intention of bouncing your Fleet out of Nwy. I
will send A StP-Fin this Fall, so that I can take Swe with support in 1902,
if Germany bounces me this Fall. Beyond that my northern plans depend
largely on what you three decide you're going to do. Informed sources tell
me that the bounce in Bur was pre-arranged, as was the bounce in Tri. It's
the middle of the night, and I don't have my glasses on, so I don't know of
anything else that needs to be said, but I did want you to know that the
move to StP was only made to ensure that Sweden joins the EEU as a
Russian protectorate. I'm going back to bed, now. 8-)
A Sleepy Nick.
Message from Observer to Observer
Pretty ho hum moves, but we can glean something from them:
West) France is safe and secure this year with the most likely
pre-arranged bounce in Burgandy. If it indeed was pre-arranged, that
*could* spell trouble for England, especially with the Northern
opening for Russia.
England had better get on the press immediately to stave off an attack
before it forms. He's got to be in a bargaining mood with that
Russian army in StP.
East) Seemingly pre-arranged bounces in Trieste and Black Sea. No
units march on Galicia...perhaps an AR. Could be a sign, or perhaps
Russia was bent on opening to StP and so had to purchase peace with
Austria.
So the real question is which came first: peace with Austria over
Galicia, or the decision to move to StP?
Elsewhere in the east, there were no special or tricky moves that I
could see. Austria and Italy perhaps don't trust each other so much
if they pre-arranged a bounce in Trieste; I haven't seen that bounce
too often.
3) other stuff
It's only spring 1901; nothing much to figure out here.
Karlis
Message from Austria to Turkey
Not only was I correct about Ven-Tri, but also about Russia's northern
opening. An army in Armenia would be so useful now :-). But I do
understand being loathe to make oneself a solitary target.
I also notice that France's fears were not unfounded; Mun-Bur is quite
aggressive in a full press game. But the northern opening may serve its
purpose for a little while, and keep England from helping out against
France. While our attack on Russia may free England, our attack on
Italy will also free France, so I don't think we need to worry about
too-quick settlement of the western triangle.
Our tactical advisors urge Ser s Bul-Rum, bouncing Russia. If we can
also get Germany to bounce him in Sweden, he'll have no builds, and fall
quickly. I still worry that if Germany suspects we plan to take out
Russia quickly, he'll not cooperate; while Germany doesn't want a strong
Russia, he also needs some Russia lest Austria-Hungary overrun him while
his forces are still committed westward.
Have I overlooked anything important?
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Italy
I'd say that turn went well for us. Most pleasant was the RT
bounce in Bla. While it doesn't necessarily mean no RT alliance
exists or will be formed, it at least slows any advance of Turkish
fleets to the Med. Specifically, it means that a Lepanto attack
cannot be stopped.
Our ambassador to Turkey is going to offer him support for Rum-Bul.
If his "war" with Russia is real, he may accept. That will prevent
at least one build (Russian), and further distract Turkey from the
Lepanto; it also will make it harder for Turkey to seek or gain
Russian help once he realizes we're attacking him.
The RG bounce in Burgundy wasn't disappointing, either. It makes
it less likely that French fleets will soon be free to sail into
the Mediterranean.
Since you've already done Germany the favor of not moving into
Tyrolia, perhaps you could encourage him to bounce Russia from
Sweden. I'd prefer Russia as weak as possible, both because he's
Turkey's most natural ally and because that's where I'm headed once
Turkey begins to fall.
I urge the convoy to Tunis, now more than ever; the free tempo that
Turkey's bounce has granted us should not be wasted by diverting
the Ion fleet.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Russia
A northern opening? Now I understand why you wanted Warsaw
free to move to Ukr.
I still prefer that Rumania be occupied by a fleet, so that
you can build a second fleet immediately. Otherwise, it
will be difficult for us to break down the Turkish defense.
I may try to keep Trieste available to build a second fleet
myself; while that's unusual, if an IT alliance forms, it
may be needed.
Is there anything I've overlooked?
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to France
Was the Burgundy bounce pre-arranged? Neither Mar-Bur nor
Mun-Bur is particularly common; both at once makes them seem
coordinated.
The most interesting dynamic seems to stem from Russia's
northern opening. That will tend to distract England's
attention from the west. Neither EG nor EF will succeed very
quickly. FG, on the other hand, might succeed very quickly
indeed.
Good luck.
Felicia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to England
Of all the powers in a generally conservative 1901, you seem to
have come out the worst. While FG didn't actively attack you,
their bounce in Burgundy certainly appears to have been
pre-arranged. And the Russian move to St. Petersburg probably
threatens your Scandinavian influence, especially Norway.
If Germany doesn't bounce Sweden, you're almost certainly
facing at least an RG alliance, possibly FRG. But FRG is
probably bad for Germany in that he's a natural next target for
FR.
You can force Norway, of course, by using Nwg to support the
convoy there. But France will get 3 builds: Pic-Bel cannot be
stopped by Germany, and your Nth fleet has more important tasks
than interfering with Bel.
To me, at least, it seems an EG alliance is your only hope, and
it may not be easy for you to achieve.
Good luck.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Germany
Too much beer. But I'm here now. Have I missed anything?
Oh, OK; no, I'm not planning to go to Tyrolia.
Wow, three builds for France? How'd he do that? He got Russia to distract
England, I see, and tied up your free unit with an arranged bounce in
Burgundy.
I'm going to go sleep off a hangover; I'll get back with you soon.
Hopefully, before the moves process this time.
Grace, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Turkey
Most excellent Ali,
I wrote,
>I know of no plans by Germany to hinder Russia, and I will tell you that I
>have no intention of troubling Russia anytime soon.
Russia has annoyed me somewhat with the move to StP. Now I have to
consider supporting myself into Norway. To make that move, Russia must be
very confident of his security in the south. Too confident?
On another topic, do you know if the bounce in Trieste was arranged? I am
still assuming that you and Roberto are on very good terms.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Russia
Nicky,
> I suspect you may have been surprised by Mos-StP. Please rest assured
>that I have no reason, nor intention of bouncing your Fleet out of Nwy.
It did surprise me. Had you mentioned it in advance, I would have blessed
the move. As you see, it could have had no effect on my spring moves.
I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle. It is entirely
possible that it could resolve itself in any of the three possible
permutations. Under the assumption that I might actually have a choice in
the matter, do you care to express an opinion on the merits of EF vs. EG?
If you prefer FG I am sure that you will make that known to others.
My own mind is in a tizzy. EG remains appealing because France is
dangerous. Give him a head of steam and every country on earth will have
something to fear. EF is appealing because, as you put it, Germany "seems
to be an odd fish, all the way around." Will I ever be able to rely on him?
Italy, apparently, has taken himself out of the western picture.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Austria
>Of all the powers in a generally conservative 1901, you seem to
>have come out the worst.
Thanks for cheering me up.
>While FG didn't actively attack you,
>their bounce in Burgundy certainly appears to have been
>pre-arranged.
It was, and I knew about it.
>And the Russian move to St. Petersburg probably
>threatens your Scandinavian influence, especially Norway.
Yes, and this surprised me. I must at least consider forcing my way into
Norway now. That's something I didn't count on before.
>You can force Norway, of course, by using Nwg to support the
>convoy there. But France will get 3 builds: Pic-Bel cannot be
>stopped by Germany, and your Nth fleet has more important tasks
>than interfering with Bel.
A France with 3 builds is a France with a head of steam. And we can all
tell from the press this this France has to be a powerful player.
May I assume that the Trieste bounce was also arranged? Ditto for Black Sea?
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Italy
Good day, Roberto.
Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
I hope it was arranged as well, because Russia seems to be very confident
of his security in the south. I would hate to see RT take Austria with
Italian help and then calmly keep marching westward over all our bodies.
Russia/Turkey is a real no/no.
I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle. It is entirely
possible that it could resolve itself in any of the three possible
permutations. Under the assumption that I might actually have a choice in
the matter, do you care to express an opinion on the merits of EF vs. EG?
If you prefer FG I am sure that you will make that known to others.
My own mind is in a tizzy. EG remains appealing because France is
dangerous. Give him a head of steam and every country on earth will have
something to fear. EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
that he cares a whit about this game.
Care to comment?
Yours,
Ivy
Message from England to France
Good Prince,
All is calm in the Channel. No surprises either in Galicia, Tyrolia, Black
Sea, Trieste, etc. To the best of my knowledge, all bounces were arranged.
The Russian move to StP surprised me, but I don't think I should be overly
concerned. Prior to the move Nicky indicated he was very nervous about
being bounced in Sweden. A Smoke screen? If StP was really anti-English,
I probably will be the last to know.
We have several things to talk about. Start with Burgundy. What do I say
to Germany if he wants to hit Burgundy again? He expected you to cover
Burgundy with Paris as long as needed, so that it would remain hopeless for
him to get in there. I didn't bother to tell him that Paris was going to
Picardy. Now that Picardy is aimed at Belgium, and Marseilles is eyeing
Spain, Freddy will consider Burgundy. Especially so, since Tyrolia is
vacant. I can't just say, "no Freddy, don't go there. It doesn't fit with
EG plans." It might be best for me to say nothing, but Germany may ask me
a direct question. Well, I'll think about this. You too, please. I need
something plausible to say.
I would also appreciate your take on how you think the east is shaping up.
Russia's placing of two units in the north suggests that he is somewhat
confident of the south. I've also been under the impression that Turkey
and Italy hit it off fairly well. What I fear most is something like a
fast RIT crushing of Austria followed by a continued RT push.
Now, on to Belgium & Holland & possible builds. Let's see if I can offer a
few thoughts of my own without damaging our growing trust.
Bouncing Germany in Holland may be my least attractive option. It doesn't
even guarantee me a build, because Norway is not really 100% certain.
Also, I would rather not start our partnership with a 6-4 imbalance.
Earlier, we discussed possible Belgium neutrality but only gave it a word
or two. Bouncing in Belgium is still an option, but it is less than
imperative now, because Germany is no longer a threat to take Belgium.
Consider permitting me to go to Belgium with certain safeguards and/or
conditions attached. For example, you get Belgium once Belgium takes
Holland. Or, if I take Belgium now, then I don't build a fleet in London
or Yorkshire, or even postpone a build. I'm just thinking out loud right
now and am not sure just what is best for us.
More: England/France can get stuck against Germany, if Russia supports
Germany in the north. This suggests that we (separately) suggest that
Germany bounce Russia in Sweden in order to foster German/Russian
hostility? Yes? No?
Afterthought: should I actually encourage Germany to go for Burgundy and
you bounce it with Picardy? The advantage is that Freddy's obvious
alternative move to Ruhr permits him to build another army on your border
in Munich.
Yours,
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Good Freddy,
Not bad. Not bad. Bounces in Burgundy, Black Sea, and Trieste were
probably all arranged. Everyone is cautious.
Russia's move to StP was a bit unexpected. He may have northern ambitions,
and that is bad for both of us no matter what France attempts.
Furthermore, by sending a second unit to the north, Russia indicates a
certain amount of comfort with whatever he has arranged in the south. This
bears watching. Get it? "Bears!" At least he didn't march into Silesia.
I can either guarantee my entry into Norway or Belgium or send one unit in
each direction. It's interesting that France cannot cover Belgium,
Burgundy, and Spain with only two armies. I am almost certain that he will
take the sure thing in Spain. That leaves him guessing in Belgium and
Burgundy. Your thoughts?
You have two agressive moves to think about. Hitting Sweden and hitting
Burgundy. Do you think I should try to arrange a bounce in Belgium, so
that Burgundy would be open? Or let France think I am using both fleets in
Norway. It's true actually, both fleets in Norway is indeed a possibility.
I've got some guessing of my own to do.
You may get a good indication of the state of affairs between Russia,
Austria, Turkey, and Italy by seeing who, if any, encourages you to bounce
Russia in Sweden. Regardless of what you choose to do, this will be useful
information. I hope you feel free to pass on the info to me. The scariest
scenerio would be that none of them want the bounce. Russia would have too
many friends.
Get back to me asap. Hope you had a nice weekend.
Ivy
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 6&7 Results:
First, I wanted to wish everyone a very happy Bastille
Day. This being our national holiday, I have been busy
with festivities and have not been very communicative. I
apologize for that. But sometimes, the people are more
important than my neighbors in Europe. I even missed an
update on the Tour de France. Fittingly a Frenchman took
today's stage. Although he rides for a team in a
different country, we take pride in his accomplishment
all the same. This is his second stage and gives the
Turk's 20 points and a tie for first in the standings.
The prior stage was taking by Jaan Kirsipuu from AG2R.
He rides for none of our teams.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Jens Voigt (C.A.) 29 hours, 51 minutes, 29 seconds
2. Laurent Jalabert (CSC/Tascali) @ 2:34
5. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @ 5:00
9. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 5:20
15. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ 5:56
19. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 6:23
Current Leaders:
Yellow Jersey: Jens Voigt [50 points] - no one
Green Jersey: Erik Zabel [20 points] - Germany
Polkadot Jersey: Patrice Halgand [20 points] - no one
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
I am sure that the bounce in Burgundy is equivalent to
the bounce in Trieste.
You must have a strong relationship with Russia. You
both left Galicia open. That shows a lot of trust on
both your parts. Russia went further to send an extra
North. Is that boldness, trustfulness, or cockiness?
Perhaps a bit of all three.
You and Italy must be pleased with the Bounce in the
Black Sea. It keeps Turkish fleets out of the
Mediterranean, just a bit longer. Although he can now
move Ankara to Constantinople and still build in Smyrna.
All-in-all a nice opening for both of us. My
congratulations to you and your leaders.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I was very surprised to see the Russia move to St.
Petersburg. I have never heard it explained to be a move
against Germany. Perhaps it helps him get to Sweden.
But it can easily bounce you in Norway or set himself up
to move on Norway. This is especially true if Germany
allows him into Sweden. That would be three units on
Norway.
Before we get too serious about our talks on Belgium, let
me see what I can learn from Russia. I will write him
next.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicolas:
A very bold opening move! I was surprised to see you in
St. Petersburg. Now you have England in a pickle. Does
he risk not supporting himself into Norway? He could end
up without a build. He could also have two builds if he
neighbors were nice. I would love to hear more about
your reasonings and your thoughts.
-- Prince Boar
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Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
Some afterthoughts.
(1) It's obvious that Russia's move threatens both of us. One thing that
we must be determined not to let happen is to permit France/Russia to pick
off one of us and then the other.
(2) Just so you know where I am coming from, let me say a word about your
next builds. It is conventional for England to demand that a German ally
not build a second fleet, and that often is the start of mistrust between
the two of them. For that is asking that Germany have little defense
against English treachery. By all means, feel free to build a second
fleet. Or two armies, if you wish. Use your judgment, based on the
situatian at the time. I do ask this though. If you do wish to build a
second fleet, please do so in Berlin with the initial intent of its
operating against Russia. It certainly will permit you to take Sweden.
Even in Berlin or the Baltic or Sweden, a reserve fleet makes it almost
impossible for England to hope for a successful attack on Germany.
(3) The more I think about it, the more I hope you bounce Russia. But its
your call; I do not wish to insist.
With respect,
Ivy
p.s. France opened the Belgium debate with a curt note saying he first
wanted to speak to Russia to see what he could learn. Aferwards he would
be willing to talk about Belgium. Not a word about anything else.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
The Dauhphin grunt a thank you to you, which I am passing
on. Let me add to his eloquence. This was a great
beginning for us. More than just choosing a set of
military operations, we have start a long relationship.
One where we watch each other's back and defend one key
border for each other. We each must hope that the other
propsers. Yes there will be worries if the other
prospers too much. But we can find ways to work things
out. One nice thing about our friendship is the distance
between us. A quick stab is impossible.
You must also be pleased that Turkish fleets will not be
in the Mediterranean in the fall. He will likely have
one eyeing the waters, but none will be on the waters.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba:
A nice start for you. Russia sent a unit North, hence
you have less worries than you might. There is currently
no one in Rumania, therefore you can afford to move
Ankara to Constantinople, if you so please. I suppose
that you would still have Smyrna covered, so that does
not buy you anything. Perhaps taking the Black Sea is
stronger. I am sure that you will do the smartest thing.
Are you worried about the strong display of trust between
Russia and Austria (no one moved to Galicia)?
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I am pleased with the first moves. Italy bother neither
of us and Russia annoyed England. We each should be
happy. We each also kept our word about our moves. A
great beginning.
What do you think about the Russian move to ST. Petes.
It slows down England. Can you afford to let Russia have
Sweden? If England is hampered and Russia is strong (he
appears to have Rumania in hand and strong relationships
in the south), that could be trouble for us.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Austria
> A northern opening? Now I understand why you wanted
> Warsaw free to move to Ukr.
I thought that the combination of leaving Gal open and
moving an Army north would encourage Germany to let me
take Swe this Fall. (Of course, I've been wrong before...8-)
Also, it should help sow confusion in the west, and opens
the possibility of harrassing/supporting England or Germany
to keep the west from resolving to quickly.
> I still prefer that Rumania be occupied by a fleet, so that
> you can build a second fleet immediately. Otherwise, it
> will be difficult for us to break down the Turkish defense.
True, and with the conflict in Trieste, (or was that pre-arranged?)
you need security in the east. If I move the Army to Rum, though,
I should be able to get useful information from the Turk regarding
his plans for '02, and that might prove more useful.
> I may try to keep Trieste available to build a second fleet
> myself; while that's unusual, if an IT alliance forms, it
> may be needed.
Yes, if it ends up AR vs. IT, we'll both need to build Fleets
more often than we might normally, and starting early is a good
idea.
> Is there anything I've overlooked?
Not that I can think of at this point.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Austria to Russia
> True, and with the conflict in Trieste, (or was that pre-arranged?)
Well, sort of. I heard that Italy was seeking German approval for
Ven-Tyr, so I encouraged Ven-Tri instead, after you and I had settled
the Gal question, knowing I could bounce it. Italy, also, didn't
really commit to an attack, since he moved Rom-Apu rather than Rom-Ven.
Having preserved the possibility of peace there, I'll encourage him to
continue Lepanto-ish, against Turkey. That should make Turkey's
defense harder, as well as giving Italy some other target than
Austria-Hungary. Of course, with France's 3 builds, perhaps it would
be better long-term to try to send Italy west. If I propose that,
however, it may seem I'm just setting him up. Perhaps you could
encourage him in that direction?
> If I move the Army to Rum, though, I should be able to get useful
> information from the Turk regarding his plans for '02, and that might
> prove more useful.
If we're attacking Turkey, I don't think information is as valuable as
the extra fleet. If you're still undecided about attacking him, then
we'd better discuss why. I would be uncomfortable leaving both you and
Turkey alone, and attacking Italy with both of you behind me; and it's
nearly impossible for Austria-Hungary to succeed against Turkey without
help from either Italy or Russia.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> > I suspect you may have been surprised by Mos-StP.
> It did surprise me. Had you mentioned it in advance, I would have blessed
> the move. As you see, it could have had no effect on my spring moves.
It was a last minute decision. The combination of your mentioning no
anti-Russian discussions in EG, and Austria saying that G hadn't expressed
any concern about Austria's health and welfare, put G firmly into the
unpredictable catagory, and I decided that the ability to support myself
into Swe might be necessary. Hopefully the decision won't come back
to bite me in my southern areas. 8-)
> I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle.
Obviously, if it takes a while to resolve itself, I will not be
displeased. 8-)
I seem to have better relations with you and Prince Boar, than I do with
Frederick, and if one of you allies with G, I'll be more than happy to help
you (or France) take Germany out once the other leg of the triangle is gone.
EF vs. G would either require a two-front war on my part, (which is
something I'd rather avoid for obvious reasons), or it would limit my
influence in the west, but I'll deal with that, if it occurs.
> My own mind is in a tizzy. EG remains appealing because France is
> dangerous. Give him a head of steam and every country on earth will have
> something to fear. EF is appealing because, as you put it, Germany "seems
> to be an odd fish, all the way around." Will I ever be able to rely on
him?
The other advantage of EG is, that if he turns out to be unreliable,
you'll
have my support and assistance in teaching him the true cost of
unreliability.
> Italy, apparently, has taken himself out of the western picture.
It does seem that way, though given the bounce in Trieste, A Ven could
head West in '02.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Austria to England
>> Of all the powers in a generally conservative 1901, you seem to
>> have come out the worst.
>
> Thanks for cheering me up.
You're welcome.
> A France with 3 builds is a France with a head of steam. And we can all
> tell from the press this this France has to be a powerful player.
This is supposed to be a championship, and France is probably one of the top
seeds. If his press seemed poor, I'd think that was intentional anyway.
Of course, that doesn't reduce the threat the three-build France poses,
first to you, but in the long run to all of us. Austria-Hungary favors an
alliance between England and Germany to address the threat. And if Russia's
strength and northward moves are impeding that, then perhaps Austria-Hungary
should work to refocus his attention.
> May I assume that the Trieste bounce was also arranged? Ditto for Black Sea?
The Black Sea didn't surprise me, but I can't state for certain that it was
pre-arranged. Trieste was semi-arranged: Italy was encouraged to order
Ven-Tri, and I ordered Vie-Tri to keep it safe whether he moved that way or
not. As I suggested earlier, everybody was being very conservative.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to France
> I am sure that the bounce in Burgundy is equivalent to
> the bounce in Trieste.
No, not exactly. But perhaps the effects are similar.
> You must have a strong relationship with Russia. You
> both left Galicia open. That shows a lot of trust on
> both your parts. Russia went further to send an extra
> North. Is that boldness, trustfulness, or cockiness?
> Perhaps a bit of all three.
His was the most adventurous opening of 1901; but there wasn't
much competition for that title.
> You and Italy must be pleased with the Bounce in the
> Black Sea. It keeps Turkish fleets out of the
> Mediterranean, just a bit longer. Although he can now
> move Ankara to Constantinople and still build in Smyrna.
Of course. Slow, cautious, and solid.
> All-in-all a nice opening for both of us. My congratulations
> to you and your leaders.
There was a question (from our ambassador in Italy, I believe)
about how France would tend to react to Tunis being occupied by
a fleet, as opposed to an army. I speculated that France might
prefer an army there, but some guidance from you would not be
unwelcome.
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
> A very bold opening move! I was surprised to see you in
> St. Petersburg. Now you have England in a pickle. Does
> he risk not supporting himself into Norway?
While Russia can survive without St. Petersburg, (or Sevastopol), I did
not feel that I could risk writing off my Scandinavian interests this early,
particularly since I hope to do more than just survive the opening.
Hopefully
it won't cost me unduly in the south. Germany was unwilling to acknowledge
the justice of my desire to bring Sweden into the EEU under Russian control,
so I felt that sending an Army to Finland this Fall was necessary. England
has said that he plans to take Nwy with a Fleet, so I don't plan to oppose
his
move. Of course, if you end up allied with Germany, that second Unit in
Scandinavia will prove extremely useful. Have you given any further
consideration to joining the EEU?
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Austria
My Dear Ralassa,
> I heard that Italy was seeking German approval for Ven-Tyr, so I
> encouraged Ven-Tri instead, knowing I could bounce it.
I see.
> with France's 3 builds, perhaps it would be better long-term to try
> to send Italy west. Perhaps you could encourage him in that direction?
I'll do what I can, though unless we see EG vs. F, I doubt that my
encouragement would have much effect. England has said from the beginning
that he plans F Nwg-Nwy, and I've told him that I will move A StP-Fin this
Fall for the purpose of securing Swe, so I suspect he'll order Yor-Nth-Bel,
to keep France from gaining those 3 builds.
> If we're attacking Turkey, I don't think information is as valuable as
> the extra fleet. If you're still undecided about attacking him, then
> we'd better discuss why.
I expect that I will order F Sev-Rum, and build F Sev, but I haven't
finalized that decision, yet. I am committed to AR vs. T, but if the Turk
were to suggest that I move to Bla this Fall, and then Con in the Spring,
with the intention of moving to Aeg next Fall, I wouldn't turn him down.
(I wouldn't move out of Con next Fall, either, but... 8-)
In Alliance,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Austria
Dearest Edna,
>Of course, that doesn't reduce the threat the three-build France poses,
>first to you, but in the long run to all of us. Austria-Hungary favors an
>alliance between England and Germany to address the threat. And if Russia's
>strength and northward moves are impeding that, then perhaps Austria-Hungary
>should work to refocus his attention.
Interesting. I was about to send you an e-mail along these lines, but you
raised the subject first. Russia may try a bounce in Norway, but a more
sophisticated approach would be Norway->Finland followed by a build in StP.
If that happens, I don't see how Germany and I can focus on France.
It would be wonderful if you and Turkey could frighten Russia in the south,
where he has left himself weak. Frighten him to death for all I care.
Is there anything I can do on the diplomatic front to aid you in such an
endeavor?
Most sincerely,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I just looked a bit closer at the map, and saw that you are our only
hope to keep France from getting three builds. I hope that you will
convoy Yor-Bel to bounce Pic-Bel. This provides another, admittedly
unneeded, reason for me to not bounce Nwg-Nwy.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> I just looked a bit closer at the map, and saw that you are our only
>hope to keep France from getting three builds. I hope that you will
>convoy Yor-Bel to bounce Pic-Bel. This provides another, admittedly
>unneeded, reason for me to not bounce Nwg-Nwy.
I was in the process of typing a letter to you when I received this latest
message. Here is what I had typed so far.
-------
>Hopefully the decision won't come back
>to bite me in my southern areas. 8-)
I've said to others that your move to StP indicates that you are fairly
confident of matters to your south. It may have considerable effect in the
north, though. The ultimate outcome of the EFG triangle is at stake. Of
course, it is not necessarily bad for Russia to be able to affect EFG.
Perhaps this was a very good move for you. 8-)
I have never seen England amount to anything without Norway. In Diplomacy,
Norway is part of England's homeland, and there is a certain amount of
pride at stake. I've given this a bit of thought, and have come to the
obvious conclusion that I must support myself into Norway no matter what
the consequences to my south.
-------
This, unfortunately, precludes a bounce in Belgium. It certainly precludes
a bounce in Holland. All those interesting things that the fleet in the
North Sea might have done have to be set aside.
If we truly care whether or not France gets Belgium, one had better try to
prevent it by diplomatic means. Surely, France must have some concern for
Burgundy. Let's hope that someone finds the right words to persuade him to
cover Burgundy with Picardy. If it turns out that he gets six units, not
all is lost for me. I have seen good EF alliances begin with a 6-4 split.
I have also seen six-center Frances cut down to size.
I suspect that you care less about this than I do. For you a France with
six units is permissible as long as Germany is his ally. If that is the
case, I do have one thought to offer for your consideration. Since I am
determined to be in Norway this turn, the move StP->Norway (or its absence)
will have purely symbolic value. The absense of such a move, even if you
have anti-English ideas, preserves the possibility of our friendship an
additional turn. Who knows what that turn can reveal?
I do not wish to imply that I believe you are wishing my downfall. Once I
saw an England bounced out of Norway and I swore that I would never let
that happen to me. Surely you can put yourself in my position with respect
to Norway, and appreciate the precaution that I must take. It doesn't
reflect on you or alter my sincere wishes that we both survive to be active
allies at the proper moment.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to France
Good Prince,
I cannot remember ever passing on someone else's mail, but I am sorely
tempted to show you what Russia sent. I will restrain myself and
paraphrase. What he said seems to be incredibly honest, but
unintentionally revealing.
Essentially he said that he doesn't want an EF alliance. He prefers EG or
FG and would gladly help the winner against Germany afterwards. This just
has to be true, but I am astonished he would say it our loud in such an
undiplomatic manner. In other words he doesn't care a whit about you and
me as long as one of us is dead. It doesnt matter which of us dies. He
wants us to play gladiator in the arena for his pleasure.
Well, screw him. Let's see him get down in the dirt and risk his own neck.
This is not typical talk from me. [Good Old Doug, who has read so much of
my mail for so long now, knows that I don't normally talk or write this
way. But Good Old Doug can't permit himself to comment, unfortunately. It
just occurred to me that Good Old Doug could be shortened to GOD. How
appropriate!]
There. I feel better.
yours,
Ivy
Message [from Russia] to all
Tsar Nicholas,
I would like to bring your attention to a most serious problem facing our
fatherland. We are almost bankrupt. The agriculture minister is failing
in his duty to feed us, and our industry, while great, is backward
compared to the great European powers. We must take steps now to
secure a strong foundation for our future economic growth.
Russia more than any other country needs a proper economic foundation
for her national policy and culture. International competition does not
wait. If we do not take energetic and decisive measures so that in the
course of the next decades our industry will be able to satisfy the needs
of Russia and of the Asiatic countries which are---or should be---under
our influence, then the rapidly growing foreign industries will break
through our tariff barriers and establish themselves in our fatherland and
the Asiatic countries mentioned above. Our economic backwardness
may lead to political and cultural backwardness as well.
In order to modernize our industry and provide this secure foundation, I
propose that we undertake to greatly increase the breadth and scope of
our railroads. The presence of railroads, especially in the far reaches of
our interior provinces is vital to tying our economy together and reaching
our production goals. This railroad must stretch from St Petersburg, to
Moscow, to the ore fields of the Ukraine. It must reach from the
granaries of Warsaw to the farthest village in Siberia and the eastern
coast of our great country. Only with a strong, vibrant railroad, can we
unite our country and at the same time provide our military with the
transportation backbone needed to protect our national security from the
imperial powers of the west.
In this let us learn from the United States, whose Trans-continental
railroad has opened the vast expanses of territory purchased by Tomas
Jefferson. We have an even greater expanse of earth to unite, let it be
by rail!
In order to fund this effort, we will need capitol. I estimate that it
will take the resources of fourteen additional great cities such as
St. Petersburg to supply the vital expansion of our industry. Some of
this will come from the benefit of the railroad itself. Efficiency in
production and shipping will pick up some of the slack. However,
every effort must still be given to obtaining the resources of Europe for
our growth. Whether this be by trade or by conquest, I will leave for
you and our generals to decide. I beg of you not to let this matter drop.
If we do not obtain these resources, I fear that 100 years from now, our
country will be as backwards as it is today, while the great powers of the
west, and perhaps even the pitiful United States of America will have
passed us in all areas of greatness. I do not wish to see our fatherland
exploited by the European powers like they have Africa and the isles of
the sea.
I await your comments.
Respectfully,
Sergei Witte
Minster of Finance
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Just got back. I've only glanced over the press. Here's my first
impression. France and Russia want to work together.
Two bits of evidence.
There is no press from Russia to me.
France has sent one short piece. One paragraph discusses the current
moves. The other asks if I'm going to bounce Russia in Sweden.
I'll look this all over and get back with my recommendations tomorrow.
(It's late now)
Russia does threaten us both with his move to STP. And it draws both of
our attentions away from France. That Prince Boar sure is a sly one.
Fred II
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
Rabobank's Erik Dekker (RAB) sprinted to a wet and cold
stage victory Sunday in Pontarlier beating other
breakaway companions Stuart O'Grady (CA), fifth today,
will again wear the yellow leader's jersey. The main
peloton finished 35 minutes behind. Can the top
contenders make up that difference in the Mountains?
The Russian pick up their second stage and now join the
tie for the lead.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O_Grady (C.A.) 34-hours 57-minutes 18-seconds
3. Bram De Groot (RAB) @ 21:16
11. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @ 31:57
12. Bobby Julich (C.A.) @ 33:49
13. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @34:23
17. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 34:43
24. Lance Armtrong (USP) @ 35:19
27. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 35:46
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to England
Ivy, Ivy, Ivy,
> >Hopefully the decision won't come back
> >to bite me in my southern areas. 8-)
>
> I've said to others that your move to StP indicates that you are fairly
> confident of matters to your south. It may have considerable effect in
the
> north, though. The ultimate outcome of the EFG triangle is at stake. Of
> course, it is not necessarily bad for Russia to be able to affect EFG.
> Perhaps this was a very good move for you. 8-)
>
> I have never seen England amount to anything without Norway. In
Diplomacy,
> Norway is part of England's homeland, and there is a certain amount of
> pride at stake. I've given this a bit of thought, and have come to the
> obvious conclusion that I must support myself into Norway no matter what
> the consequences to my south.
>
> -------
>
> This, unfortunately, precludes a bounce in Belgium. It certainly
precludes
> a bounce in Holland. All those interesting things that the fleet in the
> North Sea might have done have to be set aside.
>
> If we truly care whether or not France gets Belgium, one had better try to
> prevent it by diplomatic means. Surely, France must have some concern for
> Burgundy. Let's hope that someone finds the right words to persuade him
to
> cover Burgundy with Picardy. If it turns out that he gets six units, not
> all is lost for me. I have seen good EF alliances begin with a 6-4 split.
> I have also seen six-center Frances cut down to size.
>
> I suspect that you care less about this than I do. For you a France with
> six units is permissible as long as Germany is his ally. If that is the
> case, I do have one thought to offer for your consideration. Since I am
> determined to be in Norway this turn, the move StP->Norway (or its
absence)
> will have purely symbolic value. The absense of such a move, even if you
> have anti-English ideas, preserves the possibility of our friendship an
> additional turn. Who knows what that turn can reveal?
>
> I do not wish to imply that I believe you are wishing my downfall. Once I
> saw an England bounced out of Norway and I swore that I would never let
> that happen to me. Surely you can put yourself in my position with
respect
> to Norway, and appreciate the precaution that I must take. It doesn't
> reflect on you or alter my sincere wishes that we both survive to be
active
> allies at the proper moment.
>
>
> Most cordially,
> Ivy Wingo
>
>
>
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Message from France to England
ivy:
Sorry for my relative silence this weekend. It was a bus
one. I even was late in calling my mother, who had
surgery during the week. Bad, bad, son.
Thank you for telling me about your message from Russia.
I guess it is surprising that he would be arrogant to
tell you that. He has not sent me exactly the same
message but he is open about the fact that he feels
England is difficult to eliminate and would not be
against seeing you eliminated. I cannot say he is
actively advocating it, but it is easy to read between
the lines.
He say to me that he has no plans to deny you Norway
since you are taking it with a fleet. However, based on
the above, I wonder if he is being honest. If Germany
allows him Sweden, and he bounces you, he can go for
Norway. Perhaps worse would be for you to take Norway
with little backup (i.e. a fleet) and have him being in
Sweden, St. Petes, and Finland. You might be wise to put
your army there. If you did, I would move Picardy to
Burgundy, or at least attempt to do so.
Admittedly the other option is for you to move your army
to Belgium and move your fleet to Norway. It either
bounces or nets you a build. I am a bit nervous about
that, I must admit. Our relationship is growing strong
but it is still new. Would you be willing to compenstate
for your being in Belgium by allowing me a fleet in
Brest? It would not leave the coastline.
I will unfortunately be busy with work. I will check for
mail at lunchtime and will be available in the evening.
will you be available this evening to hash things out, if
necessary?
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Austria
Ms. Felicia:
I am sorry that my answer about the bounce was so
flippant. My answer was meant to be an answer. Since I
believe your bounce in Trieste was pre-planned, I assume
that you would understand that my bounce in Burgundy was
pre-planned. It is, however, a statement of a lack of
trust between Germany and France. I assume the same is
true for Austria and Italy. You apparently trust Russia
more?
As for the Italian fleet in Tunis. It seems a weaker
move. He should keep his fleet in the Ionian in order to
keep his options open. If Roberto wishes to discuss it
further with France, he should do so himself. I am
available. I do appreciate your starting the
discussions, but it seems more appropriate for him and I
to carry on those conversations.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to England
Sorry for the copy of your letter. I started to reply last night, and
decided
to save it until I had gotten some sleep, and my mail program sent it when
I logged in. In a nutshell:
We have good relations. I have good relations with France. I do not
trust Germany. I'm not sure whether you or France is more dangerous,
but letting France get six Centers in '01 is NOT something that I want to
see happen. It might invoke the early leader syndrome, but it could just
as easily lead to a French runaway. The MOST harm I can do to you
is bounce you from Nwy, IF you don't support the attack which you have
the ability to do. If I bounce you, and Germany bounces me, (and I have
no indication that he won't), then I won't be able to take Swe in '02, or
build in StP in '01, (not that I plan to, but I'd like to have the option
open
to me.) I'm moving StP - Fin, this Fall, and have already told France and
Austria that. I might lie to you, (though it would be dumb to do so at this
point), by why would I lie to everyone? The more evenly balanced the
West is, the better it is for me, so I'd much rather see 5-5-5, than 6-5-4,
or 6-5-3, and you've said from the beginning that you were taking Nwy
with a Fleet, and wanted to work with me, so I have no motivation
whatsoever to order StP-Nwy. Please, bounce France out of Belgium.
Sincerely,
Your Friend,
Nicky.
Message from England to Russia
>Ivy, Ivy, Ivy,
I love it! The perfect reply.
All the world is telling me to expect StP->Fin followed by a build in StP
followed by an assault on Norway.
Here is one way you can reassure me. Has it ever occured to you that if I
am in Norway, and Germany bounces you in Sweden, then I can escort you to
Sweden myself? Then we can mutually protect each other in Sweden and
Norway! If you hold in StP, that is the situation we would have, and by
your actions you would be reassuring me that you are not contemplating an
attack on Norway.
Perhaps your thoughts on this are, "why should I trust England, when by
moving to Finland I can guarantee Sweden myself?".
Exactly my point. You have just placed yourself in my position. It is not
necessary to trust Russia when I can guarantee Norway by myself.
Again. It's not lack of trust. It's just that the risk to me is too
great. Without Norway, England is nothing.
Most respectfully,
Ivy
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
I'll be supporting myself into Rum, obviously. Shall we DMZ Bla? If
so, I'll order
Sev S Ukr - Rum. Do you think the bounce in Tri was pre-arranged? The west
is
such a mess that I decided I had to open north to protect my interests
there. Please
let me know what you're thinking.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Observer to Observer
From: Douglas T. Massey E-mail: masseyd@b...
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BTW, everyone, I'll probably be including your commentary on the game
in this mailing list along with all the player press when I turn
'titleist' into a Showcase game at the end of the game. So feel free
to record your feelings about the game on this forum; your wisdom
will be recorded for posterity. :-)
Doug
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Message from Russia to England
Briefly because I'm pressed for time.
> All the world is telling me to expect StP->Fin followed by a build in StP
> followed by an assault on Norway.
But why would I want to do that when I don't know how the west is
going to resolve itself? I may need that second build in the south, and
even if I don't, I could just as easily build F StP/SC and attack Ber/Den
as Nwy. If I agree to StP S Nwg - Nwy, will you convoy to Bel, and
support me into Swe in '02?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Sorry for the copy of your letter. I started to reply last night, and
>decided
>to save it until I had gotten some sleep, and my mail program sent it when
>I logged in.
Actually, I liked the "Ivy, Ivy, Ivy" message. I just responded to it.
There probably is nothing I can add that is constructive. Let's see:
> .. I do not trust Germany.
How could anyone? He is not around enough to give one confidence in him.
This is what is making it difficult to form an alliance with him. I am
certain that France feels the same way. This fact and this fact alone
tends to draw France and I a bit closer, even though I think we each would
rather see the other eliminated. Wacky, isn't it? I have no idea how the
EFG triangle will sort out. That's why I think your own actions in the
north may somehow determine matters. And, yes, I agree that the longer
that EFG remain murky, the better it is for the rest of the world.
Don't get me wrong. I am patient enough to be still giving Germany the
benefit of the doubt. He has been busy with family. But he better come
through for me fast.
>The MOST harm I can do to you is bounce you from Nwy,
Exactly. In other words, the most harm you can do is to kill me.
> If I bounce you, and Germany bounces me, (and I have
>no indication that he won't), then I won't be able to take Swe in '02,
Nor s Bot->Swe. It's simple.
>I'm moving StP - Fin, this Fall, and have already told France and
>Austria that. I might lie to you, (though it would be dumb to do so at this
>point), by why would I lie to everyone?
Nick, I believe you. I really believe you. I see about a 5% chance of
Russian deception resulting in a 3-center England. I see about a 50%
chance of Picardy->Belgium resulting in a 6-center France. I suspect it is
better to risk the latter and hope that a 5-5-4 results. 5-5-3 is so ugly
that I cannot contemplate it.
> Please, bounce France out of Belgium.
Cross your fingers. Judging from most recent correspondence, I think that
France is leaning toward Picardy->Burgundy. Wouldn't it be strange if no
one attempted Belgium in 1901?
Hang in there, Nick.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Every time I send off a note to you, I discover another note from you waiting!
>> All the world is telling me to expect StP->Fin followed by a build in StP
>> followed by an assault on Norway.
>
> But why would I want to do that when I don't know how the west is
>going to resolve itself?
It's just an option for you, as you yourself admitted in the last note. I
confess that I hope that you run into a wee difficulty in the south and
need all your builds there. No one deserves a free ride! I'm sure not
getting a free ride. Been doing a lot of sweating the past few days. All
because of Finland. 8-)
>If I agree to StP S Nwg - Nwy, will you convoy to Bel, and
>support me into Swe in '02?
StP S Nwg - Nwy would be a wonderful gesture. I would support you into
Sweden in '02. Prior to that, with the promise of StP S Nwg - Nwy, I would
make special effort to get Germany to leave you alone. In my prior message
to him, I said Sweden was entirely his business, but I could easily alter
that stance. But sorry, I am still in no position to promise action in
Belgium this turn.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Good Prince,
>I even was late in calling my mother, who had
>surgery during the week.
I hope she is fine.
>Thank you for telling me about your message from Russia.
>I guess it is surprising that he would be arrogant to
>tell you that.
I over reacted a little.
>He say to me that he has no plans to deny you Norway
>since you are taking it with a fleet. However, based on
>the above, I wonder if he is being honest.
At the opening of the game I told Russia that I would take Norway with a
fleet in order to demonstrate good will. Generally Russia feels more
threatened with an Army in Norway. I wanted to take my chances within the
EFG triangle without outside interference. Obviously, I didn't get what I
wanted.
>If Germany
>allows him Sweden, and he bounces you, he can go for
>Norway. Perhaps worse would be for you to take Norway
>with little backup (i.e. a fleet) and have him being in
>Sweden, St. Petes, and Finland. You might be wise to put
>your army there. If you did, I would move Picardy to
>Burgundy, or at least attempt to do so.
I am leaning that way. The only difficulty is that an army in Norway will
guarantee a Russian build in StP, even if he wasn't going to do it
originally. If I am confident that Russia will build in StP no matter what
I do, then the army is the right decision.
>
>Admittedly the other option is for you to move your army
>to Belgium and move your fleet to Norway. It either
>bounces or nets you a build. I am a bit nervous about
>that, I must admit. Our relationship is growing strong
>but it is still new.
Understood. As you can imagine, I have spend a nervous weekend. Any move
I make this turn entails real risks, both tactical risks and risks to
friendships.
>Would you be willing to compenstate
>for your being in Belgium by allowing me a fleet in
>Brest? It would not leave the coastline.
I approve of a fleet in Brest unconditionally and meant to mention this
earlier. I am thinking back to the last time I was France. Building no
fleets is bad for France. Building a fleet in Marseilles this early
invites unwanted trouble in the south. [Unless, you actually want trouble
in the south. Build two fleets and go with a western triple. I am not
entirely serious, but I am still annoyed with Russia.]
>will you be available this evening to hash things out, if
>necessary?
I tend to be available from roughly 6 am eastern to about 6 pm eastern,
because my work is very flexible. I can work or not work at my own
pleasure. Nice huh! I am available from 6 pm eastern to 11 pm about 30%
of the time, and I never know in advance. My modem at home is driving me
insane. It works all day and then usually conks out in the evening or
anytime there is a thunderstorm within 100 miles. I cannot pin down the
problem. In a real emergency I can drive the three miles to work in the
evening to check my mail there.
Let me indulge myself a bit here. I want to quote an expert on
English/French relations, someone by the name of Ivy Wingo 8-). On day 2
in a very early exchange between us I wrote,
"Belgium. I don't care who gets it, but
I do care about the matter of balance that you mentioned earlier. I prefer
not to see a 6-center France, while I have only four. There are lots of
ways around this, but too much is unknown to know so soon what is best.
Will Italy be pounding at your door? Then you may need Belgium. Will
Russia be aiding Germany? Then I probably need Belgium. Will Russia be
attacking Germany? etc. etc. We can even trade Belgium back and forth to
sustain balance, if the the need arises."
Well, it seems that Italy is not at your door, but that Russia is heading
toward mine. If I do get Belgium, this year or next, I consider it to be
only an initial assignment. It can be handed back and forth a million
times as the need arises.
I say this year or next, because I may well support myself into Norway. I
am going crazy trying to make up my mind.
By the way, I have no idea what Germany is going to do, either in Sweden or
in Burgundy. He remains friendly, but there is that communication problem.
He sent me a three sentence "just got back" message with a promise of more
to come today. I am still waiting.
Cordially,
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Freddy,
>Russia does threaten us both with his move to STP. And it draws both of
>our attentions away from France. That Prince Boar sure is a sly one.
Yeah. I just don't know what he is after. He probably is courting all of
us -- you, me, Russia -- with the intent of pouncing whereever he spots a
weakness.
I have a tough decision. Do I double attack Norway to guarantee a build?
Do go for Norway and Belgium hoping for a build and a bounce? The former
risks a 6-center France. The latter risks a 3-center England. Who said
this would be easy?
There's not much time for talk today, but fortunately you and I don't need
to coordinate moves yet.
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Most excellent Ali,
I wish you well in the coming moves.
It is clear now that neither Germany nor I are fond of the Russian move in
the north. Austria has hinted that he and you may be able to get together
and take advantage of Russian weakness in the south. If that is your
pleasure, you certainly have my blessing. There is nothing that
England/Turkey wish for in common more than a weak Russia.
As always,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to England
Ivy, Ivy, Ivy, (listen to me, will you? ;-)
> Every time I send off a note to you, I discover another note from you
waiting!
Stop and think about this situation from my perspective for a minute.
Would
I be devoting this many letters to trying to convince you to bounce France
if I
had any thought that I might for some reason order StP-Nwy? I'm trying so
hard that either I'm sincere, or you will devote your remaning existence in
'titleist' to injuring me for lying to you this way, and I see no reason to
make an
enemy of you, especially when I need you to counter-balance Prince Boar.
I'm honestly not sure whether you or Prince Boar has a higher JDPR, and
given that you're both most likely in the group of four 1700+ players, it
probably doesn't matter, but I have deduced that Prince Boar soloed in the
semi-finals, and I do know that France is statistically more likely to solo
than
England, so I have to view him as the biggest threat in the West.
> >> All the world is telling me to expect StP->Fin followed by a build in
StP
> >> followed by an assault on Norway.
> > But why would I want to do that when I don't know how the west is
> > going to resolve itself?
> It's just an option for you, as you yourself admitted in the last note.
I did? Obviously, it is an option from a technical perspective, but
there's
no strategic, or even tactical, reason to do it in 1902. At least, none
that I
can see.
> StP S Nwg - Nwy would be a wonderful gesture. I would support you
> into Sweden in '02. Prior to that, with the promise of StP S Nwg - Nwy,
> I would make special effort to get Germany to leave you alone. But sorry,
> I am still in no position to promise action in Belgium this turn.
As I see it, StP-Nwy makes no sense. It annoys you. It bounces,
leaving
the Army in StP, meaning I can't build there if I need to. It means I can't
support myself into Swe in S'02, if Germany bounces me this Fall. Given
that you have stated that you intend to support yourself into Nwy, the
bounce
wouldn't even keep you from building. I, therefore, have nothing to gain
from
StP-Nwy, so I won't order it. (Since I won't order StP-Nwy, you are now
free to order Yor-Nth-Bel, but you don't have to tell me that you're going
to
do so. 8-)
To address something you mentioned before, I don't see France ordering
Pic-Bur. He figures that Mos-StP means you have to support yourself to Nwy,
so Bel is open, and 3 builds is better than a bounce in Bur. Secondly, my
sources indicate that the bounce in Burgundy was prearranged, so Freddie is
unlikely to try it again. I'd call Pic-Bel at least a 75% chance, only a
decision
to avoid ELS, or a Convoy from Yor will stop it.
Your Friend,
Nicky.
Message from Russia to all
> Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
>
> Rabobank's Erik Dekker (RAB) sprinted to a wet and
> cold stage victory Sunday in Pontarlier beating other
> breakaway companions
Ah, the Dekker lad! He's from a good union family, you
know. They are the managing partners in the Black&Decker
tool company.
V. I. Lenin,
European Union Steward for Russia, (and Team Rabobank).
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
How goes it?
The EFG situation is still all mixed up with the Russian surprise move to
Finland causing us all to figure out what it eventually means.
Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west. Your wishes may
matter a lot to me as long as this situation is still fluid.
Ivy
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Openings Diploman, we final got things underway!
DM> Yes, Boy Gambit. The openings were extremely conservative. No one seemed
to want to annoy anyone else.
BG> Well, the Russia seemed to have some balls. He sent an army North, which
sure must annoy Ivy Wingo.
DM> I suppose you are right. Perhaps he is the only one willing to stick his
neck out.
BG> I like that. I think that it is a smart move. A bold move among
conservative ones can make the different and get him a leg up on the
competition.
DM> Or it can set him up for a fall. Only time will tell.
Message from Austria to England
> It would be wonderful if you and Turkey could frighten Russia in the south,
> where he has left himself weak. Frighten him to death for all I care.
>
> Is there anything I can do on the diplomatic front to aid you in such an
> endeavor?
Russia, perhaps, would be less distracting if he lacked the build to back
up StP-Fin. A bounce in Sweden would solve at least half of that problem.
As to the other half, I will discuss it with Turkey.
Edna, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Russia
> I'll do what I can, though unless we see EG vs. F, I doubt that my
> encouragement would have much effect. England has said from the beginning
> that he plans F Nwg-Nwy, and I've told him that I will move A StP-Fin this
> Fall for the purpose of securing Swe, so I suspect he'll order Yor-Nth-Bel,
> to keep France from gaining those 3 builds.
Does England trust you enough for that? If his trust is misplaced, he'll
get no builds, and will have angered France. That's a risk he may not take
if your Mos-StP was a surprise to him. If, of course, you've a record of
honesty with him, such as prior warning of Mos-StP, then he may be more
willing to believe you. Your assumption that he'll go ahead with the plans
you'd already heard about suggests you did, indeed, discuss this with him
ahead of time.
As to Italy only heading west in case of EG vs F, I'm more concerned about
FG vs E; a fast decline of E would be soon followed by France in the Med.
It would take a lot of fleets for you and I to set up the Med line against a
strong France. My thought was, Italy sent west could hit France before
England was dispatched, and/or delay French incursion into the Med until
Turkey was no longer a problem and our fleets were free to sail west.
Ralassa, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to France
> I am sorry that my answer about the bounce was so
> flippant. My answer was meant to be an answer. Since I
> believe your bounce in Trieste was pre-planned, I assume
> that you would understand that my bounce in Burgundy was
> pre-planned. It is, however, a statement of a lack of
> trust between Germany and France. I assume the same is
> true for Austria and Italy.
I had no complaints about your response to my Burgundy
inquiry; it answered my questions with admirable brevity.
> You apparently trust Russia more?
Yes, on that occasion.
> As for the Italian fleet in Tunis. It seems a weaker
> move. He should keep his fleet in the Ionian in order to
> keep his options open. If Roberto wishes to discuss it
> further with France, he should do so himself. I am
> available. I do appreciate your starting the
> discussions, but it seems more appropriate for him and I
> to carry on those conversations.
Certainly; I am glad my judgement of the situation was
accurate as far as it went.
Felicia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Austria, England, France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey
Gentlemen,
I had an all-day presentation at work today. I will be in contact with
everybody tomorrow.
Roberto
Message from Germany to England
Ivy:
Funny how things shake out. One little Russian move and pretty much
everything falls into place.
Nobody has asked me to bounce Russia yet (From the SE corner) Nor have
I received any press from any of them. But there's time. It'll be
along soon I think.
With Russia taking an active part in the north, it almost ensures that
we ally. Because we both know that if one of us joins France right now
it'll only be a matter of time before we're toast also.
If you don't mind I'll make some observations. Ignore these all you
want.
.I have to bounce Russia. Although the MOS-STP is essentially an
anti-English move it's ultimately anti-German. I'm becoming surrounded.
I won't be long before the grip tightens.
.I am surprised that Russia hasn't at least opened the possibility of
getting me on his side by saying that his move is anti-English. He has
a credible avenue, if he were to build a fleet in STP NC. Perhaps he
knows that if he were to succeed in fighting a war with you, he'd really
have me surrounded.
.I think that you have to support yourself into Norway. Not building
right now will be a real disadvantage. It strikes me that this is more
important than bouncing France. Belgium will be very hard for him to
hold if we make a concerted effort for it.
.We need get Italy on unfriendly terms with France. If France builds
three, that might get his attention. If neither of us talks or acts
like we're going to oppose France (to Italy) that might also get him
worried.
.We need to have someone put pressure on Russia from the south. The
same strategy we employ for Italy might work there.
.I vote for attacking France after the builds. Both of us. Taking back
Belgium first. I am willing to support your army in.
.I would like to build a fleet in Berlin. Then take Sweden in the fall,
or protect myself from Russia.
If everything goes as planned we'll both get a build. Sweden and
Belgium.
Freddy
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar:
Quite an interesting game. As someone broadcasted, the only
interesting move was Russia to STP. But now that the moves have
processed we have many more things to talk about.
For instance, you're poised to build three. The safest course for
England being to support himself into Norway.
I'll admit that a 6 unit France will be cause for concern in the German
homeland. But we should be able to work something out. It'll be time to
start talking about who we should attack soon. Not much point in it
until after the fall move. Our moves are fairly well set.
I might or might not bounce Russia, depending on what we work out.
Certainly I'll go for Holland. This leaves Munich. The bounce worked
to both our advantage last turn. I can see that it won't work for you
this time. And certainly if I did go to BUR it would be a declaration
of war. I suspect that's not what you want. (nor I) However I do
need to do something with Munich. Certainly it can go in any direction.
None of which amounts to a great move. South - I suppose I could help
out Italy or Austria, but their bounce shows that they're working
together. Moving south would be pointless. East? Certainly Russia
will build one. Chances are it'll be in WAR or MOS. Not much point in
ruffling his feathers.
I'll bring up another sticky point. Where do we go after the builds.
We'll all want more builds. This will be when things get interesting.
Oops got to go. The girlfriend wants me to come over and hot tub. Ooh
La la. We'll have to continue this later. In effect, for a FG
relationship to work you have to go south. (and a little north) What
are your thoughts on this?
Freeddy VVY
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
Russia's Serguei Ivanov (FAS) took stage 9 of the 2001
Tour de France in a classic solo effort. He barely held a
break away from the main pack at the finish line.
Tomorrow the riders will finish with a climb of the
legendary Alpe d'Huez and the standings should shake
up considerably.
This win for Fassa Bortolo gives Roberto his first
points. Congratulations.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O_Grady (C.A.) 38-hours 55-minutes 30-seconds
3. Bram De Groot (RAB) @ 21:16
11. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @ 31:57
13. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @34:23
17. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 34:43
23. Lance Armtrong (USP) @ 35:19
27. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 35:46
Tomorrow the Race Begins!
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Thank you for your kind words for my mother. Yes she is
doing well.
I have finally heard from Germany. Although he is
basically saying little other than he is keep his cards
open. We need to encourage him to go after Russia. If
he would bounce Russia in Sweden and move Munich to
Silesia...that would be great. But I do not know if
Germany is prepared to be so bold. He talks about
waiting until next year to decide whom he should attack.
It may be words to lull me into complacency, if he
intends to attack me. What does he tell you?
I will send a possible plan for the next year and a half,
for us to discuss. The Dauphin is working out the
details and it will not be ready until tonight.
I am sorry to hear about your modem. I hope that this
Mr. Modem person will shape up. If not, you should fire
him and hire a more reliable communications officier.
I do appreciate your understanding concerning my need for
a balancing fleet. It actually is going a long way to
relieving my worry for your possible army in Belgium.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
At this time I am trying to still negotiate a bounce with
England in Belgium. He is of course nervous about that
as he may not get Norway. I am not anxious to take
Belgium at all costs. It would be best to keep it open.
We shall see.
As for your Army in Munich. It can also simply hold?
Although if you do bounce Russia in Sweden, you may wish
to couple it with a move to Silesia. That would at least
distract Russia enough that he may not build a fleet in
the South Coast of St. Petersburg. It would be nice for
you to avoid that occurrence. You have a dilema. Let
Russia have Sweden and you suddenly have a very powerful
neighbor. Deny him it and you may have an angry
neighbor. But in my experience, a 1901 bounce in Sweden
is something that very often can be overcome. It is
almost like a bounce in Burgundy or the Black Sea. It
slows down Russia's grow to be more fairly matched to
your own, but causes him no real damage. Russia often
has little choice but to overlook it as he can do
nothing about it. I am sure that you will make the
wisest choice.
Did the hot tub go well? Ah, perhaps I prefer not
knowing ;-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to England
>
> Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
> arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
>
Trieste was indeed a pre-arranged bounce. I have no plans on attacking
Austria.
>
> I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle.
> do you care to express an opinion on the merits
> of EF vs. EG?
It would seem the most logical from a tactical point of view would be for EG
to develop. The Russian move to STP is obviously an aggressive move against
you forcing you to use all of your units merely to grab the one center that
belongs to you to begin with. Combine that with a +3 France, and I doubt it
would take much to convince Germany of the need to ally. Germany shouldn't
want to be between a RF alliance anymore that you would.
> Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west.
> Your wishes may matter a lot to me as long as this
> situation is still fluid.
I will have to wait and see what France has to say. I am going to try to
convince him not to grab Belgium this fall since that would have the very
real chance of a 'stop-the-leader' crusade forming. He keeps babbling on
about equal growth and mutual defense so if he grabs Belgium I'm going to
have to ask for one of his centers to even out our strength or demand that I
get a couple of eastern centers before he gets a sniff at a seventh.
Without that, I'd be pretty much forced to campaign against him.
> EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
> that he cares a whit about this game.
>
This could be a major problem. Hopefully, he's communicated some the last
few days. He hasn't sent me anything since the results arrived.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
Was just curious your thoughts on the spring results, specifically what you
thought of the Russian move to STP and of France's potential for gaining
three centers?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria
My Dear Ralassa,
>Does England trust you enough for that?
It doesn't seem so. I didn't view Mos-StP as
particularly, let alone exclusively, anti-English, but
everyone else seems to.
>If his trust is misplaced, he'll get no builds,
>and will have angered France.
Yes, but unless I want to cripple England, and
throw the West to France very rapidly, I have no reason
to order StP-Nwy, and I don't see helping France as
being a good idea. I'd much rather have the West end
1901 at 5-5-5 or 5-5-4, than 6-5-3.
>Your assumption that he'll go ahead with the plans
>you'd already heard about suggests you did, indeed,
>discuss this with him ahead of time.
No, it's just indicative of my, appearantly
unusual, perspective on my opening. My decision to
open to StP was made after hearing from you that
Germany hadn't expressed interest in AG solidarity,
and from England that he hadn't brought up the
possibility of anti-Russian actions. That combination
made me wonder what Germany had planned ( a Centifuge,
perhaps?), and I decided I needed to move to StP.
Since I had no anti-English intentions, if didn't occur
to me that someone else might think that I did.
>As to Italy only heading west in case of EG vs F, I'm
>more concerned about FG vs E; a fast decline of E
>would be soon followed by France in the Med.
I'll mention "my" concern about France's growth
potential to Italy, again. I tried to get him to open
to Pie, so that you wouldn't have to worry about him,
and we wouldn't have to share the Turkish spoils with
him, but he was not impressed with my arguments.
In Alliance,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes. As a result,
is seems likely that France will get three builds. You
might want to consider Ven-Pie this Fall, just to keep
Prince Boar honest. I haven't heard from Turkey or
Germany since moves came through, which has me somewhat
concerned, but since everyone but me seems to view
Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
about Germany quite so much. Any thoughts or
information you'd care to share would be much
appreciated.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
Thank you.
Germany is beginning to come around a little with press. France, and now
Russia too, sends a lot. I am listening to everybody and trying to do a
little persuasion of my own. In the end, I will have to guess between
entering Norway with force or splitting my units toward Norway and Belgium.
Austria has written a couple of times to warn me of Russian action. He
seems to be afraid of Russia. Turkey says nothing on the subject. As
usual, I suppose, the world is watching for evidence of a Russia-Turkey
alliance.
Keep in touch.
Ivy Wingo
>Message from Italy to England in 'titleist':
>
>>
>> Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
>> arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
>>
>
>Trieste was indeed a pre-arranged bounce. I have no plans on attacking
>Austria.
>
>>
>> I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle.
>> do you care to express an opinion on the merits
>> of EF vs. EG?
>
>It would seem the most logical from a tactical point of view would be for EG
>to develop. The Russian move to STP is obviously an aggressive move against
>you forcing you to use all of your units merely to grab the one center that
>belongs to you to begin with. Combine that with a +3 France, and I doubt it
>would take much to convince Germany of the need to ally. Germany shouldn't
>want to be between a RF alliance anymore that you would.
>
>> Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west.
>> Your wishes may matter a lot to me as long as this
>> situation is still fluid.
>
>I will have to wait and see what France has to say. I am going to try to
>convince him not to grab Belgium this fall since that would have the very
>real chance of a 'stop-the-leader' crusade forming. He keeps babbling on
>about equal growth and mutual defense so if he grabs Belgium I'm going to
>have to ask for one of his centers to even out our strength or demand that I
>get a couple of eastern centers before he gets a sniff at a seventh.
>Without that, I'd be pretty much forced to campaign against him.
>
>> EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
>> that he cares a whit about this game.
>>
>
>This could be a major problem. Hopefully, he's communicated some the last
>few days. He hasn't sent me anything since the results arrived.
>
>Life is Beautiful,
>
>Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria
My Dear Ralassa,
> Does England trust you enough for that?
It doesn't seem so. I didn't view Mos-StP as
particularly, let alone exclusively, anti-English, but
everyone else seems to.
> If his trust is misplaced, he'll get no builds,
> and will have angered France.
Yes, but unless I want to cripple England, and
throw the West to France very rapidly, I have no reason
to order StP-Nwy, and I don't see helping France as
being a good idea. I'd much rather have the West end
1901 at 5-5-5 or 5-5-4, than 6-5-3.
> Your assumption that he'll go ahead with the plans
> you'd already heard about suggests you did, indeed,
> discuss this with him ahead of time.
No, it's just indicative of my, apparently
unusual, perspective on my opening. My decision to
open to StP was made after hearing from you that
Germany hadn't expressed interest in AG solidarity,
and from England that he hadn't brought up the
possibility of anti-Russian actions. That combination
made me wonder what Germany had planned ( a Centrifuge,
perhaps?), and I decided I needed to move to StP.
Since I had no anti-English intentions, if didn't occur
to me that someone else might think that I did.
> As to Italy only heading west in case of EG vs. F, I'm
> more concerned about FG vs. E; a fast decline of E
> would be soon followed by France in the Med.
I'll mention "my" concern about France's growth
potential to Italy, again. I tried to get him to open
to Pie, so that you wouldn't have to worry about him,
and we wouldn't have to share the Turkish spoils with
him, but he was not impressed with my arguments.
In Alliance,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes. As a result,
is seems likely that France will get three builds. You
might want to consider Ven-Pie this Fall, just to keep
Prince Boar honest. I haven't heard from Turkey or
Germany since moves came through, which has me somewhat
concerned, but since everyone but me seems to view
Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
about Germany quite so much. Any thoughts or
information you'd care to share would be much
appreciated.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from England to Germany
Noble Frederick,
Thank you for a most constructive message. We are really, really on the
same page.
> Nobody has asked me to bounce Russia yet (From the SE corner)
Austria has sent me a couple of messages, one of which asks me to ask you
to bounce Russia in Sweden. I'm surprised he hasn't contacted you
directly. Turkey has been totally silent on the subject. Everyone, of
course, is watching for evidence of a Russia-Turkey alliance.
>.I have to bounce Russia. Although the MOS-STP is essentially an
>anti-English move it's ultimately anti-German. I'm becoming surrounded.
>I won't be long before the grip tightens.
Again earlier, i think I said this had to be your decision. But I confess
it is what I want. Russia will have one fewer unit to work with next year.
With me in Norway and your proposed fleet in the Baltic, he may never be
able to take and hold Sweden.
My original proposal of German dominance in Scandinavia, while I sail to
the south, is still feasible as far as I am concerned. The only difference
is that Russia is placing more resources in the north than he might have.
I want someone to hit Russia in the south as well and have given such
suggestions to Austria and Turkey.
>.I think that you have to support yourself into Norway.
That's the direction I am leaning. At the same time I hope for a miracle
in Belgium. Will France really leave Belgium vacant? Surely he must have
at least some worry about Burgundy.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Another thought just crossed my mind. If you're correct
that Pic-Bel is only a 50% likelihood, then with Yor-Nth-Bel,
Nwg-Nwy you have a 50% chance at two builds. I still don't
see how I would benefit by ordering StP-Nwy, and given a
choice between a low percentage chance of doing you harm, and
a guaranteed chance to secure Sweden, StP-Fin seems like a
no-brainer to me.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from England to France
Good Prince,
>I have finally heard from Germany.
Me too. He actually sent me a rather competent message. I suspect, based
on its contents, that he is really considering the bounce in Sweden. I
will encourage this.
>If he would bounce Russia in Sweden and move Munich to
>Silesia...that would be great.
My ideal outcome would be a bounce in Sweden followed by a Russian build in
Warsaw, instead of in StP. I can dream. As for Silesia, I don't have the
guts to suggest it. It's too much like saying, "Please turn your back on
me. Close your eyes. No peeking, now." In short, its such a bad move for
Germany, that he would be bound wonder why I would suggest it.
>What does he tell you?
Basically, he says, "let's kill Russia then turn on France."
Remember my message to you about what should I say if Germany asked advice
on Burgundy? He didn't mention it at all, and neither will I in my
response. However, if you think I should say something, I could. I'm
confident that I still have his ear.
>I will send a possible plan for the next year and a half,
>for us to discuss.
Not ten years?
>I do appreciate your understanding concerning my need for
>a balancing fleet. It actually is going a long way to
>relieving my worry for your possible army in Belgium.
Believe me, I am listening to your words (and Russia's) with great care.
I've got a critical choice to make here. Two units to Norway, or one?
Army to Norway? Fleet to Norway? Army to Belgium?
For what it is worth, Russia has sent me message after message begging me
to trust him and bounce you in Belgium.
I wanted this suspense to be over yesterday, one way or the other. This
delay has me on edge.
I heard from Italy. He didn't say much, but I gather that you are very
secure in the south.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nicky,
I wish this suspense were over with yesterday.
Here is my thinking today.
If I were Russia, and _if_ I intended to harm England, I would first move
to Finland and then build in StP before attacking him. That way I could
have three units on Norway.
If I were England I would support myself into Norway and take no chances.
On a related matter, having privy to communications from Germany and
France, I might now up the odds of Belgium remaining vacant.
Do you wish to know which nations of the world are urging Germany to bounce
you in Sweden?
Ivy
> Another thought just crossed my mind. If you're correct
>that Pic-Bel is only a 50% likelihood, then with Yor-Nth-Bel,
>Nwg-Nwy you have a 50% chance at two builds. I still don't
>see how I would benefit by ordering StP-Nwy, and given a
>choice between a low percentage chance of doing you harm, and
>a guaranteed chance to secure Sweden, StP-Fin seems like a
>no-brainer to me.
>
>Your Friend,
>
>Nick.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
Sorry for the delay in my reply. Busy weekend.
> I'll be supporting myself into Rum, obviously. Shall we DMZ Bla? If
> so, I'll order
> Sev S Ukr - Rum.
Yes, I think the DMZ works best for this turn. That way I can shuffle my
fleet & army to get it out into the water.
> Do you think the bounce in Tri was pre-arranged? The west
> is
> such a mess that I decided I had to open north to protect my interests
> there. Please
> let me know what you're thinking.
Austria claims it wasn't a pre-arranged bounce. Italy has said nothing on
the matter yet. I also wondered the same thing about the bounce in Bur, any
take on that? I certainly understand your needs to protect Russian
interests in the north. If the AI war is genuine, we should still do well
in the south.
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> Not only was I correct about Ven-Tri, but also about Russia's northern
> opening. An army in Armenia would be so useful now :-). But I do
> understand being loathe to make oneself a solitary target.
Indeed. Perhaps you could send a prepresentative from your excellent
intelligence network to train Turkish agents. You did seem to hit things
quite on the money. And thanks for your understanding on Arm, I just felt
it was too big a risk to take alone.
> I also notice that France's fears were not unfounded; Mun-Bur is quite
> aggressive in a full press game. But the northern opening may serve its
> purpose for a little while, and keep England from helping out against
> France. While our attack on Russia may free England, our attack on
> Italy will also free France, so I don't think we need to worry about
> too-quick settlement of the western triangle.
Russia's northern opening is good news for us both. As for the bounce in
Bur, I can't rule out the possibility that it was pre-arranged to keep
everyone guessing. It's clear why France was so bent on getting Russia to
move Mos north; it greatly improves his chance of picking up Belgium. I
think we'd both be wise to keep a sharp eye on France.
> Our tactical advisors urge Ser s Bul-Rum, bouncing Russia. If we can
> also get Germany to bounce him in Sweden, he'll have no builds, and fall
> quickly. I still worry that if Germany suspects we plan to take out
> Russia quickly, he'll not cooperate; while Germany doesn't want a strong
> Russia, he also needs some Russia lest Austria-Hungary overrun him while
> his forces are still committed westward.
If you're agreeable to Ser S Bul-Rum, then I gratefully accept. Please let
me know one way or the other, and please be honest; I don't want to rely on
support that turns out not to be there. But if you'll support it, then I'll
be glad to order Bul-Rum, Ank-Bla. This coordination of efforts would go a
long way in cementing AT relations and building our mutual trust.
Germany has not written me since the moves. England has, and he implies
that both he and Germany are upset with the Russian opening. If the FG
conflict in France is genuine, then it would be natural for them to combine
their forces against Russia as well. I will be writing them both to inquire
further on the matter, and will report when I can learn more.
> Have I overlooked anything important?
The only other question I have is what to do about Italy. If he is hostile,
are you ready to commit to fighting both him and Russia at the same time?
Do you still favor the plan of hitting Russia first? Please let me know.
Looking forward to your reply,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Still hoping from a reply from you. I was greatly encouraged by our early
dialogues, and am sorry to see you going silent. I hope that it does not
indicate Italian ill-will for Turkey.
Austria is encouraging me to attack Russia. I am prepared to do so, and my
plan is to build an army subsequently, though I'll have to sell it to
Austria. Obviously, I'm counting a great deal on the fact that you and I
will be able to build on our early goodwill. If this is not the case, then
I hope you'll do the honorable thing and be up front about it. If you have
any concern, please voice it so I can respond.
I was surprised to see your attack on Trieste, after my warning of Austria's
plans for A Vie. Can you tell me, was the bounce pre-arranged? Austria is
claiming that it was not, but rather that it was a genuine attack. I
suspect Austria is simply playing us off of each other, which of course
makes me very nervous about taking him up on anti-Russian offers.
Anyway, if you want an ally who won't work against you behind your back,
then I hope you'll write at your earliest convenience. I very much look
forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> I'd say that turn went well for us. Most pleasant was the RT
> bounce in Bla. While it doesn't necessarily mean no RT alliance
> exists or will be formed, it at least slows any advance of Turkish
> fleets to the Med.
>
I would agree. The northern army move by Russia caught me by surprise.
Definitely weakens his southern flank but just as important causes England
to react which may occupy more Russian units in the north than normal. If
we can expedite the Turkish attack, we have an opportunity to control the
board.
I'm going to need to keep an eye on France as he will most likely gain three
units this fall. I have to be careful about pushing too far east and
leaving my backside exposed. A lot will depend on his builds.
> Our ambassador to Turkey is going to offer him support for Rum-Bul.
> If his "war" with Russia is real, he may accept. That will prevent
> at least one build (Russian), and further distract Turkey from the
> Lepanto; it also will make it harder for Turkey to seek or gain
> Russian help once he realizes we're attacking him.
>
Very good idea. Let me know how he responds.
> The RG bounce in Burgundy wasn't disappointing, either. It makes
> it less likely that French fleets will soon be free to sail into
> the Mediterranean.
>
Not too sure about this. I heard from England, prior to the results
arriving, that FG had pre-arranged a bounce in Burgundy. The bounce doesn't
necessarily signify an adversarial relationship.
> Since you've already done Germany the favor of not moving into
> Tyrolia, perhaps you could encourage him to bounce Russia from
> Sweden. I'd prefer Russia as weak as possible, both because he's
> Turkey's most natural ally and because that's where I'm headed once
> Turkey begins to fall.
>
I've opened up conversations with Germany. Have not heard back.
> I urge the convoy to Tunis, now more than ever; the free tempo that
> Turkey's bounce has granted us should not be wasted by diverting
> the Ion fleet.
>
The convoy seems like the most logical choice at this juncture.
On to new business. What are your plans for Vienna this year? If you're
headed to Galicia with the intent of army builds in Vie and Bud in the
winter, I could move Trieste to Tyrolia and begin my army push north that we
previously discussed. I would also be content with moving Trieste to
Tuscany to demilitarize our border and to provide some security against
France. Any advice?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Sorry for the delay in my reply. Busy weekend and all that.
As you mentioned, Austria is indeed urging anti-Russian cooperation. I've a
sense that he and Italy are closer than he lets on; he claims the Tri attack
was genuine, but I think it smells of a pre-arranged standoff. I suspect
that Tamara is simply playing me and Italy off against each other.
Unfortunately, although Roberto seemed friendly at first, I have not heard
from him in a while. Be that as it may, at this time I am favourably
considering Austria's proposals.
How is your relationship with France? Rumor has it that France was pushing
hard for Russia's opening. Certainly if Russia's northern army forces your
hand in Norway, he's got a much better shot at Belgium. Russia has proposed
to DMZ the Black, but otherwise gives no hint of what he plans in the north.
Any idea how Germany might view AT cooperation against Russia? I would
think he would welcome a Russian demise if he can get in on it, but the
Austrian has some concerns that Germany might not favor the idea. I've
written to Germany on the matter, but I'd very much like your viewpoint as
well.
Hope to hear from you soon,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Frederick,
Well, some interesting things going on in the west. England is not best
pleased by Russia's opening. How is Germany's position regarding Russia?
Austria is proposing that I join him against the Bear, and naturally Germany
plays a crucial role in the matter. I'd be very grateful if you could share
your thoughts on whether or not to let Russia into Sweden.
I'm also hoping you might share your impressions of the Austrian himself.
He seems sincere enough about wanting Russia dead, but I'm not sure he's
being entirely straight with me. Can you pass on any tidbit of what you
think Austria's true intentions might be?
I hope all is well, and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
> A nice start for you. Russia sent a unit North, hence
> you have less worries than you might. There is currently
> no one in Rumania, therefore you can afford to move
> Ankara to Constantinople, if you so please. I suppose
> that you would still have Smyrna covered, so that does
> not buy you anything. Perhaps taking the Black Sea is
> stronger. I am sure that you will do the smartest thing.
Indeed, getting Turkish fleets into the water is always a tricky business.
I've not yet figured out an easy way to do it.
> Are you worried about the strong display of trust between
> Russia and Austria (no one moved to Galicia)?
Yes, it is a concern. Russia no doubt has cause to believe that both
Austria and Turkey are friendly. It's difficult to say which of us he might
ultimately choose as an ally. Austria is saying his bounce with Italy was
not pre-arranged. What is your take? Also, can you reveal whether your
bounce in Bur was pre-arranged?
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> I wish this suspense were over with yesterday.
I understand.
> If I were Russia, and _if_ I intended to harm England, I would first
> move to Finland and then build in StP before attacking him. That
> way I could have three units on Norway.
I agree. If my intention was to attack you, you'd see F StP/NC this
winter, but you won't.
> If I were England I would support myself into Norway and take no
> chances.
This I don't understand. Even if you don't accept that I have no
intention or desire to attack you, you agree that the logical way for me to
do so is through StP-Fin, so why waste the support? If you think I have
it in for you, encourage Germany to bounce me, and order Nwg-Bar,
Nth C Yor-Nwy. (Note to self: Don't tell people how to attack Russia.8-)
Otherwise, go for the second build in Bel, or keep France from getting
three.
> On a related matter, having privy to communications from Germany and
> France, I might now up the odds of Belgium remaining vacant.
You don't believe me, but you believe them? 8-)
> Do you wish to know which nations of the world are urging Germany to
> bounce you in Sweden?
That sort of information is always appreciated.
Your Friend,
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Turkey
Was just warming my pen up when I received your message. It was I who
requested the deadline extension as I have very little time to spend with my
family (and thus the weekend is not usually the best time for me to be
sending Diplomacy related emails) and I had an all-day presentation on
Monday. Those Monday deadlines are going to be rough for me but I'll figure
out a way to manage.
>
> Still hoping from a reply from you. I was greatly encouraged
> by our early
> dialogues, and am sorry to see you going silent. I hope that
> it does not
> indicate Italian ill-will for Turkey.
>
Absolutely not. Rest assured, Italy holds no ill-will to Turkey. We see
you as an excellent developing ally. We believe the Russian has the
potential of being weakened both in the north and in the south and, given
the fact that I will most likely have a strong French neighbor to the west,
I would much prefer a strong land-based Turkey than a strong land-based
Austria to my east.
> Austria is encouraging me to attack Russia. I am prepared to
> do so,
Austria has mentioned to me that he has offered you support from Bul-Rum in
order to prevent a Russian build. In combination with a move into the Black
Sea, this would put you in an excellent position against Russia.
> and my plan is to build an army subsequently, though I'll
> have to sell it to Austria.
I would tell him that it's going to move to Armenia with support from your
fleet. Depending on what France builds, you could add that you're not too
worried about Italy since he can't wander too far east with all those French
fleets to worry about. Of course, if France builds armies as well, that
argument would need to be deleted or at least modified somewhat.
>
> I was surprised to see your attack on Trieste, after my
> warning of Austria's plans for A Vie. Can you tell me,
> was the bounce pre-arranged? Austria is
> claiming that it was not, but rather that it was a genuine
> attack.
>
It was a pre-arranged bounce at his request. If he tells you differently,
he is lying.
Now, on to some new business.
Austria is suggesting that I convoy Apu-Tun and carry thru with a Lepanto
attack. I'm actually looking for your blessing for this move. What!??
Allow me. Austria's argument goes that, by convoying, the Ionean fleet is a
tempo closer to the Turkish waters and there is no sense in losing the tempo
we gained with the Black Sea bounce. It makes perfect sense. Of course,
the Ionean fleet also borders the Austrian held territory of Greece and the
Austrian waters of the Adriatic. It just might be possible to set Austria
up for a fall in both Trieste and Greece next year. It would be a gamble on
your part but, like you, I've gotten a lot of press detailing some "behind
the back" talk regarding Austria. I don't much trust him long-term.
Regarding your response to Austria and Rumania, you would seem to have
several options 1) accept his offer and make the move hoping he follows thru
and Russia indeed doesn't gain the build, 2) say thanks but no thanks in
which case he supports himself to Greece but Russia gains Rumania, or 3)
accept his offer but then move to Greece in hopes he follows thru and wastes
a Serbian order. A lot depends on how genuine you think his offer is. From
talking with him, I think he is genuinely interested in limiting Russian
growth for what that's worth.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Germany
Frederick,
Well, my move to St. Petersburg certainly generated a lot more comment
than I expected it to! 8-) Would you care to discuss the inclusion of
Sweden
in the EEU, and the final status of Norway, now?
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Russia to France
My Dear Prince Boar,
Well, the Tour continues to go well, two stage victories, and a win by
one of our union organizers in Austria. I did not expect quite the amount
of comment that allowing the 1st Guards Army to summer in the capital
has generated, but I suppose that given the overall conservative tone of
the opening, the media had to seize on something. 8-) Do you plan to
take Belgium, now that I've handed it to you on a platter?
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Italy to France
>
> We each must hope that the other
> propsers. Yes there will be worries if the other
> prospers too much.
Well, I'm glad you brought this subject up. My only worry at least point is
your potential for 3 centers this fall. With the Russian move to STP,
England is forced to used both fleets to guarantee acquisition of Norway
leaving you with an unobstructed move to Belgium. Now, I'm not going to say
that you should not take advantage of the opportunity handed to you, but I
will warn you of the "stop-the-leader" talk that happens so often in
Diplomacy. Being one of your borders, I'm am reminded by others of your
potential power and they wonder what I will be doing to stop such blatant
growth. Moving to Piedmont is always their answer. Of course, my response
is, "What are you going to do to stop such blatant growth". They never have
an adequate answer for that. They just expect poor little ol' Italy to take
on Goliath by myself. Never the less, it is difficult to ignore the rants
and raves of Europe.
How do you propose that we even out our growth potential so that I am better
able to defend your eastern border?
>
> You must also be pleased that Turkish fleets will not be
> in the Mediterranean in the fall. He will likely have
> one eyeing the waters, but none will be on the waters.
>
Yes, this does help my situation.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
ps: I will leave you with a reminder that a French '01 fleet in Marseilles
reaches the Channel just as fast as a waived build that is built in Brest in
'02. Call it an Italian reward for not moving to Piedmont. :)
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
> into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
> stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes.
>
I can't really blame England. He can ill afford not to gain a center this
winter with France building at least two.
> I haven't heard from Turkey or
> Germany since moves came through,
I've heard from Turkey but not Germany. Turkey is definitely concerned with
the intentions of the Austrian.
> but since everyone but me seems to view
> Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
> about Germany quite so much.
>
First off, I would view the move as anti-English simply because it forces
him to use all his units to guarantee a build and thus he has little if any
influence on what happens in the Lowlands. Secondly, because of the German
move to Denmark and the potential for that unit to break support for a NWG
fleet move (I know, remote but possible), typically England will convoy an
army to Norway which is probably not in your best interest.
So, if the move is not anti-English, how would you categorize it? Neutral?
Anti-German? Pro-Austrian? If it's anti-German then what happens if the
German takes this move the wrong way? Doesn't that increase the likelihood
of a Swedish bounce this fall? I guess I'm failing to see what you're
gaining by this move, especially since England was willing to take Norway
with a fleet and Germany had indicated he would be moving to Denmark.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali Baba,
> Yes, I think the DMZ works best for this turn.
Ok. The other option I thought of was Sev-Bla, Con-Smy,
B F Con, followed by Con S Ank-Bla, Disband RF Bla, but
that leaves me with an unsupported attack on Rum, and
possibly no builds.
> Austria claims it wasn't a pre-arranged bounce. Italy has said nothing on
> the matter yet. I also wondered the same thing about the bounce in Bur,
> any take on that?
Given Par-Pic, and the fact that France hasn't screamed about Mun-Bur,
it does look like an arranged bounce to me. I wonder about Tri, though.
Ven-Tri, Rom-Apu looks more like a Key Lepanto than an Austrian
attack by Italy. Even if we assume that the results of the semi-finals
followed
our JDPR's, and our Preference lists were "standard" that still means
Austria and Italy have JDPRs around 1300, and I wouldn't expect someone
of that level to launch a half-hearted attack in S1901M. Beware the
Lepanto,
my friend, I think Austria's telling you, (and me), tales.
> I certainly understand your needs to protect Russian interests in the
north.
What, if anything, are you hearing from our Western friends?
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to England
> In the end, I will have to guess between
> entering Norway with force or splitting my units toward
> Norway and Belgium.
>
For what it's worth, Russia has indicated to me an unwillingness to have an
army stationed in STP come the winter. I believe him and do not think he
would bounce an unsupported move to Norway.
> Austria has written a couple of times to warn me of Russian
> action. He seems to be afraid of Russia.
I think he sees some easy Russian centers if you distract him in the north.
I doubt 'afraid' is the correct term. More likely, he has his greedy eye on
Moscow and Warsaw.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Good to hear from you! Thanks for your quick reply.
> Was just warming my pen up when I received your message. It was I who
> requested the deadline extension as I have very little time to spend with
my
> family (and thus the weekend is not usually the best time for me to be
> sending Diplomacy related emails) and I had an all-day presentation on
> Monday. Those Monday deadlines are going to be rough for me but I'll
figure
> out a way to manage.
I'm in the same boat; weekends are tough for me to diplome. So, we'll have
to both be cognizant of this going forward, and get as much done as we can
on weekdays.
> Absolutely not. Rest assured, Italy holds no ill-will to Turkey. We see
> you as an excellent developing ally. We believe the Russian has the
> potential of being weakened both in the north and in the south and, given
> the fact that I will most likely have a strong French neighbor to the
west,
> I would much prefer a strong land-based Turkey than a strong land-based
> Austria to my east.
Thank you. I am much encouraged. Indeed, I am prepared to convince you of
my trustworthiness as an ally, and it is my sincere hope that I will have
much opportunity to do so.
> Austria has mentioned to me that he has offered you support from Bul-Rum
in
> order to prevent a Russian build. In combination with a move into the
Black
> Sea, this would put you in an excellent position against Russia.
That is what I am thinking. The crucial bit is whether or not Austria
carries through. If he's mentioned it to you, then perhaps he'll really
order the move. Any diplomatic efforts on your part to convince him to do
so (or to warn me if he chooses not to) would be much appreciated. The best
scenario would be if he really gives me the support, in which case he may be
compelled to carry through against Russia.
> I would tell him that it's going to move to Armenia with support from your
> fleet. Depending on what France builds, you could add that you're not too
> worried about Italy since he can't wander too far east with all those
French
> fleets to worry about. Of course, if France builds armies as well, that
> argument would need to be deleted or at least modified somewhat.
Indeed, again this matches my thinking. Once I've genuinely attacked
Russia, Austria will likely believe he's got me well in hand... especially
if he continues to believe he's successfully playing you and me off against
each other. By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long term.
I think you'd be wise to keep a sharp eye on France.
> It was a pre-arranged bounce at his request. If he tells you differently,
> he is lying.
Hm, I re-read my mail from him, and he doesn't actually say it wasn't
prearranged. But the implication is clear. In any event, it's obvious he's
trying to mislead me; which I guess is ok as long as it stays so
transparent. Thank you for your honesty; I will not be letting on to
Austria that I'm wise to it.
> Austria is suggesting that I convoy Apu-Tun and carry thru with a Lepanto
> attack. I'm actually looking for your blessing for this move. What!??
> Allow me. Austria's argument goes that, by convoying, the Ionean fleet is
a
> tempo closer to the Turkish waters and there is no sense in losing the
tempo
> we gained with the Black Sea bounce. It makes perfect sense. Of course,
> the Ionean fleet also borders the Austrian held territory of Greece and
the
> Austrian waters of the Adriatic. It just might be possible to set Austria
> up for a fall in both Trieste and Greece next year. It would be a gamble
on
> your part but, like you, I've gotten a lot of press detailing some "behind
> the back" talk regarding Austria. I don't much trust him long-term.
I had pretty well expected the convoy this turn, it's really the only
sensible thing for you to do. Following that with a fleet build in Naples,
though, would make me very nervous I must admit. Now, if you were to order
Ion-Adr, Nap-Ion next spring then it would all be worth it. But such a
thing would certainly require some nerves from my perspective. Was this
what you were planning for the build?
> Regarding your response to Austria and Rumania, you would seem to have
> several options 1) accept his offer and make the move hoping he follows
thru
> and Russia indeed doesn't gain the build, 2) say thanks but no thanks in
> which case he supports himself to Greece but Russia gains Rumania, or 3)
> accept his offer but then move to Greece in hopes he follows thru and
wastes
> a Serbian order. A lot depends on how genuine you think his offer is.
From
> talking with him, I think he is genuinely interested in limiting Russian
> growth for what that's worth.
Yes, I feel confident he's genuinely interested in hurting Russia. However,
it also seems clear that he feels that way about all his neighbors, not just
Russia. In any case, I'm inclined to go along with his proposal, if the
offer is real. I don't really favor attacking Greece, since beyond limiting
Austria's builds it doesn't really accomplish anything. I'd rather fan the
flames of A/R hostility if at all possible.
One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn. This would likely spur
A/R conflict, since Austria's betrayal of Russia will have been revealed.
And, it will net you Greece. It will allow Russia the build for Rum, but
that would probably only serve to increase his confidence that matters in
the south are in hand. This would alleviate my need to worry about Leponto,
and you can easily pick up Tunis in '02. Of course, it depends wholly on
our ability to determine whether or not Austria has actually ordered support
for Bul-Rum.
Otherwise, I'd be looking to Italy to launch a real assault on Austria,
probably starting next spring. If you prefer this option, then I hope
you'll write with your thoughts on what you'll build this year.
What do you think? I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I assure you that I have no plans to build in Marseilles.
As long as you do not move forces my way, I plan to
leave it open. Our relationship is too important to me
for me to risk in that way.
The only circumstances that might change this is a strong
attack from Germany. But in that case, I would be
building an army instead.
I hope that this message puts your nervousness to rest.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 10 Results:
In what was sure to be a legendary performance, two-time
defending Tour champion Lance Armstrong launched a
brilliant attack on the final ascent of the day--the
legendary Alpe d'Huez--and stomped to a stage win over
German Jan Ullrich by nearly 2-minutes. He earlier
bluffed his competitors into thinking that he was
struggling. He would make a good Diplomacy player, N'est
pas?
This win for US Postal Service gives Ivy his first
points. It seems that the wealthy is being spread
around. Next we need someone from Domo-Farm Frites to
take a stage. (Not to mention ONCE, they are typically
close.)
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 10 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1 François Simon (BJR)45 hours, 34 minutes, 9 seconds
4 Lance Armstrong (USP) @20.07
5 Joseba Beloki (ONC) @21.42
6 Christophe Moreau (FES) @22.21
7 Jan Ullrich (TEL) @22.41
14 Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @28.06
29 Bobby Julich (C.A.) @42.07
Message from Turkey to Russia
Czar Nicholas,
> Ok. The other option I thought of was Sev-Bla, Con-Smy,
> B F Con, followed by Con S Ank-Bla, Disband RF Bla, but
> that leaves me with an unsupported attack on Rum, and
> possibly no builds.
That would also be detrimental to my getting fleets out to the west. I
think the DMZ works better.
> Given Par-Pic, and the fact that France hasn't screamed about Mun-Bur,
> it does look like an arranged bounce to me. I wonder about Tri, though.
> Ven-Tri, Rom-Apu looks more like a Key Lepanto than an Austrian
> attack by Italy. Even if we assume that the results of the semi-finals
> followed
> our JDPR's, and our Preference lists were "standard" that still means
> Austria and Italy have JDPRs around 1300, and I wouldn't expect someone
> of that level to launch a half-hearted attack in S1901M. Beware the
> Lepanto,
> my friend, I think Austria's telling you, (and me), tales.
Thanks, it seems a well-founded warning. Austria seems to be mostly
concerned with playing his neighbors off against each other. My impression
is that he's much more friendly with Italy than he's letting on.
By the way, Austria has suggested he would order Ser S Bul-Rum. I have
promised him nothing, but I'm playing along with it in hopes he'll make an
explicit commitment on the matter. If he does, then it would be a golden
opportunity to bounce him him Greece. In any case we'd both be well-advised
to regard Austria with suspicion. I'll let you know if and when I hear more
from him. Until then, watch your back.
> What, if anything, are you hearing from our Western friends?
Pretty much nothing of any consequence. England is unhappy with your Mos
order, but you don't have to be Fellini to figure that out. Germany hasn't
written since the move results, and France, as usual, is being coy as hell.
What about you, any word on whether Germany will contest Sweden?
Ali Baba
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Freied,
> I can't really blame England. He can ill afford not to gain a center this
> winter with France building at least two.
Yes,but even if I wanted to attack England, StP-Fin, B F StP/NC
makes more sense than bouncing A StP off what may be a supported
attack on Nwy. Bouncing England out of Nwy helps France more
than it helps me.
> So, if the move is not anti-English, how would you categorize it?
Neutral?
> Anti-German? Pro-Austrian? If it's anti-German then what happens if the
> German takes this move the wrong way? Doesn't that increase the
likelihood
> of a Swedish bounce this fall? I guess I'm failing to see what you're
> gaining by this move, especially since England was willing to take Norway
> with a fleet and Germany had indicated he would be moving to Denmark.
I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian. Russia is a strong Power, and
the
IR Alliance works well in the endgame only if Russia has options in the
north.
My hope is that Germany will see that bouncing me out of Swe this Fall is
pointless since I'll move to Fin this Fall and support myself in next
Spring,
even if he does. Two Units in Scandinavia encourage England and
Germany to listen to me, and give me a greater voice with France as well,
and given the dynamic in the west, I thought I could avoid a coordinated
EG response. I'm actually pretty sure that Ivy will publicly maintain that
he
has to support himself into Nwy, but actually try for Bel.
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from Russia to Turkey
> Austria seems to be mostly concerned with playing his neighbors off
> against each other. My impression is that he's much more friendly
> with Italy than he's letting on.
Yes, he wanted to bounce in Gal, as well, no doubt hoping to paint
me as the invading Russian, but I opted for Ukr in hopes that Germany
would let me have Swe if I was nice to Austria.
> Austria has suggested he would order Ser S Bul-Rum. If he does,
> then it would be a golden opportunity to bounce him him Greece.
Yes, and it's a free move for you anyway, since Bul is safe even if
it moves. He does seem to be playing both sides against the middle.
> What about you, any word on whether Germany will contest Sweden?
No, nothing from Germany, yet, though England claims to have heard
from him.
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>Basically, he says, "let's kill Russia then turn on
>France."
Pretty standard stuff really.
I did suggest a move to Silesia as an option, since
Germany asked, but did not press it. I basically laid
out some options and then said that I was sure that he
would make the best move.
>Remember my message to you about what should I say if
>Germany asked advice on Burgundy?
Well, I have decided not to mention Burgundy at all. We
may want me to make it to Burgundy. I prefer to simply
ignore it and play dumb later. If he mentions it, just
reply that it sounds like a good way to ensure a war with
France. Is that wise while he is unsure about Russia? I
guess discourage it, but do not be obvious.
>>I will send a possible plan for the next year and a
>>half, for us to discuss.
>Not ten years?
OK, conquer Germany, Conquer Russia, Expanding into
Austria and Italy. As Turkey is dying, we battle for the
victory. How is that?
Actually The Dauphin tells me 1-2 years is the most
reasonable time frame for plans. It allows some longer
term thinking, but is short enough that there is a chance
that it could occur, or at least with slight
modifications. We fully expect to modify the plan each
year according to changing circumstances.
This possible plan is predicated on our decision to hit
Germany and try to get Russia on board. There is risk
for each of us, but nothing is gained without risk. One
must trust someone. I have chosen to trust you and
assume the reverse is true.
Fall 01:
Yor -> Bel
Nwg -> Nor
Pic -> Bur
Mar -> Spa
MAO -> Por
Winter 01:
A Par
F Bre
F Lon
F Edi if Nor succeeds
Spring 01:
Bel s Bur -> Ruh
Nth -> Hel
Bre -> Pic
Par -> Bur
Lon -> Nth
Edi -> Nwg
Spa -> Gas
Nor s A Fin -> Swe?
Fall 01:
Bur/Pic -> Bel
Bel -> Hol
Nwg& Nor hold Norway
Bel -> Hol
Certainly there are many ifs here. For it to work I
would have to convince Germany that I am coming after
you. The fleet in Brest may help that. You could
complain about it. I would have to explain away the move
to Burgundy. You might have to help by irritating
Germany a bit, otherwise Germany could stall many of my
moves and hence stall our joint efforts. We can deal
with those situations when they occur.
It is just a starting plan. Tell me your thoughts.
I realize that you may prefer to put your army in Norway.
If you make that choice, I may instead take Belgium, but
waive that third build. It would at least get an army in
a better spot and challenge Germany for Belgium in the
fall. The plan would be similar except that I would
already be in Belgium and be supporting you to Holland.
It is just a matter of how much you trust Russia. If you
do move your army to Norway, you simply have to tell
Russia that his move to St. Petes was too much of a
threat to you and you had to assume the worst. Now that
he proved himself, you will glad help him take Sweden,
etc. and move the army this year. (to holland would be
the spot)
>For what it is worth, Russia has sent me message after
>message begging me to trust him and bounce you in
>Belgium.
He offers little, but asks you a lot. Perhaps he wants
you to get no builds?
>I heard from Italy. He didn't say much, but I gather
>that you are very secure in the south.
A bit less secure as I am in the North (you), but not too
bad.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicolas:
I do believe that the USPS will make it unlikely that
your RUOB (Russian Union of Bikers) will take many stages
for a while. Is the United States Postal Service
Unionized? They must be, otherwise I do not understand
why the bosses would allow people to carry weapons around
the place.
I do appreciate your improving my chances at Belgium. It
is not certain however that I will take or even go for
Belgium. The Dauphin has not yet revealed to me our
plans.
You can pick up anywhere from zero to three centers. You
must be very excited about the possibilities. The media
may be going through your garbage if you become such a
celebrity.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali Baba
>Russia no doubt has cause to believe that both
>Austria and Turkey are friendly. It's difficult to
>say which of us he might ultimately choose as an ally.
Yes, Russia appears to be in great position. Friends
everywhere and strong possibilities. We will have to
watch him to make certain that he does not interfere
without our plans for the two-way draw. :-)
>Austria is saying his bounce with Italy was not
>pre-arranged. What is your take? Also, can
>you reveal whether your bounce in Bur was
>pre-arranged?
I will not tell you lies that you are not going to
believe anyway. The bounce in Burgundy was equivalent to
the bounce in the Black Sea. As for Trieste, I believe
that it was pre-arranged. At least I have sensed no fall
out. You would be wise to get some fleets into the
Mediterranean, just in case. But there is the Black Sea
just beckoning. What will you do? :-)
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Russia
> Yes,but even if I wanted to attack England, StP-Fin, B F StP/NC
> makes more sense than bouncing A StP off what may be a supported
> attack on Nwy. Bouncing England out of Nwy helps France more
> than it helps me.
I see your point. Of course, England probably doesn't like that scenario
much either.
> I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian. Russia is a strong Power,
> and the IR Alliance works well in the endgame only if Russia has options >
in the north.
I can tell I'm going to learn a great deal from this game. I hadn't even
considered that this move could be thought of as pro-Italian. I wonder if
anybody else has thought of that? I think I can see your point but you have
to look well down the road in order to see the advantages for Italy.
> My hope is that Germany will see that bouncing me out of Swe this Fall
> is pointless since I'll move to Fin this Fall and support myself in next
> Spring, even if he does.
Do you want me to say anything to Germany on your behalf?
> Two Units in Scandinavia encourage England and
> Germany to listen to me, and give me a greater voice with France as well,
And your southern flank is protected vis-a-vis the IR alliance since I will
join either A or T against the other and then you will come along to help
mop up the pieces. I'm beginning to see the logic.
> and given the dynamic in the west, I thought I could avoid a coordinated
> EG response.
Well, if he does bounce you in Sweden, you can be fairly sure he's
coordinated the move with England. Your position can get really dicey if
England convoys; Germany bounces in Sweden, moves to Silesia, and then
builds army Berlin and fleet Kiel.
> I'm actually pretty sure that Ivy will publicly maintain that he
> has to support himself into Nwy, but actually try for Bel.
I think you're probably right. Ivy seems like he's been around the block a
few times and will understand your point.
In my talks with Austria and Turkey, it would appear that I have the option
of attacking either one. Both are courting me against the other. Do you
have a preference for AI or IT?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
> I do believe that the USPS will make it unlikely that
> your RUOB (Russian Union of Bikers) will take many stages
> for a while.
It does seem unlikely, but one must remain optomistic.
> Is the United States Postal Service Unionized?
Yes, very much so.
>They must be, otherwise I do not understand
> why the bosses would allow people to carry
> weapons around the place.
Well, it you ask the employee to put his weapon in his
locker, and he refuses, you don't have much recourse,
whether he's union, or not, do you? After all, would you
dismiss a man holding a .357? I suspect you'd end up
being the one fired, or at least fired upon.
> I do appreciate your improving my chances at Belgium.
> It is not certain however that I will take or even go for
> Belgium. The Dauphin has not yet revealed to me our
> plans.
Please advise him to be careful. Those last minute decisions
have a way of generating all sorts of unexpected consequences.
(After all, I thought Mos-StP would just improve my chances
of bringing Sweden into the EEU. 8-)
> You can pick up anywhere from zero to three centers. You
> must be very excited about the possibilities. The media
> may be going through your garbage if you become such a
> celebrity.
I shall not even attempt three. I have seen Russia go from
seven Centres in 1901 to three in 1903. (Though his replacement
did manage to get back to twelve in 1911. Of course, that was
the year I reached nineteen...8-) I expect I'll get one, and perhaps
two, though that depends on the silent German. Have you heard
from Frederick since the Spring results were announced?
In Friendship,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Any diplomatic efforts on your part to convince him to do so (or to
> warn me if he chooses not to) would be much appreciated.
I'll do my part. He has yet to answer my press I sent him earlier today.
This will have a bearing on a later part of this letter as well.
> The best scenario would be if he really gives me the support, in which
> case he may be compelled to carry through against Russia.
I'm not sure he'd have any other choice. What's he going to tell Russia?
That Ali Baba is a scoundrel and moved to prevent you from a build? Doesn't
make a whole lot of sense.
> By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
> urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
> Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long >
term.
And you heard this rumor where? I haven't told anybody, but England made a
small Freudian slip. He sent a message shortly after the moves arrived. It
was just a friendly everybody made conservative moves type message. Just
keeping in touch. Oh, and if you can help me figure out why Russia moved to
*FIN* I'd appreciate it. [emphasis mine] Well, Russia hadn't quite gotten
to Finland yet. This tells me that Ivy knew what Russia was going to do.
He might not have approved of it, but he knew about it.
> I think you'd be wise to keep a sharp eye on France.
Believe me, I have radar and sonar in place specifically to spot French
units. Alarms will go off if something funny were to happen.
> I had pretty well expected the convoy this turn, it's really the only
> sensible thing for you to do. Following that with a fleet build in
> Naples, though, would make me very nervous I must admit. Was this
> what you were planning for the build?
Just like the convoy is really the only sensible move to make, I think a
fleet in Naples is really the only sensible build. Building a fleet is
obvious. That matches any agreements I have with other powers. I am to
become a sea power. Fleet in Rome doesn't help the front line all that much
and fleet in Venice doesn't hide the fact that I'd be moving to the
Adriatic. Unless there is something I'm missing, then yes I would be
planning on building a fleet in Naples. I'm sure that wouldn't surprise
anybody.
> Yes, I feel confident he's genuinely interested in hurting Russia.
> However, it also seems clear that he feels that way about all his > >
neighbors, not just Russia.
lol! Now that I think about it, he really hasn't offered me anything
concrete. He's expecting me to position myself to convoy to Syria which of
course takes up 3/4 of my arsenal. Leaves him free to do pretty much
whatever he wants.
> I don't really favor attacking Greece, since beyond limiting
> Austria's builds it doesn't really accomplish anything. I'd rather fan
> the flames of A/R hostility if at all possible.
Agreed.
> One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
> double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
> easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn.
Let me think about this. A lot depends on what Austria replies. I asked
him if we were still going to bounce in Trieste. If I'm fairly confident
that I can take Trieste as well and that Austria will order the support, I'd
seriously consider your offer.
My idea of a stab, and this would obviously be a stab, is not to take a
single center. The victim needs to be damaged to the point that retaliation
is minimized.
I'll let you know prior to the deadline.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
> I assure you that I have no plans to build in Marseilles.
> As long as you do not move forces my way, I plan to
> leave it open. Our relationship is too important to me
> for me to risk in that way.
Thank you. I appreciate this. You don't mind if I save this message and
bring it up should, say, a Festiva rider take a wrong turn in the mountains.
:)
Hmmmm, this means one of two things. Either you'd waive a build or you're
not going to be in Belgium this winter. Doesn't England need to secure
Norway with the use of both fleets allowing you access to Belgium unopposed?
> I hope that this message puts your nervousness to rest.
It's not that I was nervous, rather, I find it best to say what is on my
mind and to be open about my diplomatic relationships. If you become too
powerful too soon relative to my position, then my hands would be tied and I
would have to at least attempt to knock you down, if for not other reason
that to be able to leave the game with my head held high and my integrity
intact.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> I see your point. Of course, England probably doesn't like that
> scenario much either.
No, but I have pointed out to him that the move doesn't become
anti-English until and unless I build F StP/NC, and given France's
strength, I have no reason to do that.
> > I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian.
> I can tell I'm going to learn a great deal from this game. I hadn't even
> considered that this move could be thought of as pro-Italian. I wonder if
> anybody else has thought of that? I think I can see your point but you
have
> to look well down the road in order to see the advantages for Italy.
Well, I was schmoozing you just a bit... 8-) It is true, but it would
occur to someone only if they thought we were allied, and that I don't
plan to stab you. Though actually, it may draw France north against
England which will allow you to focus in the East more comfortably.
Mostly though, it just gives me options and influence in the west.
> Do you want me to say anything to Germany on your behalf?
Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
> And your southern flank is protected vis-a-vis the IR alliance since I
will
> join either A or T against the other and then you will come along to help
> mop up the pieces. I'm beginning to see the logic.
Yes, given that I thought I had a solid AIR vs. T, I thought I could
afford to send A Mos north.
> Well, if he does bounce you in Sweden, you can be fairly sure he's
> coordinated the move with England. Your position can get really
> dicey if England convoys; Germany bounces in Sweden, moves to
> Silesia, and then builds army Berlin and fleet Kiel.
Oh, sure, combine that with Ser S Bul-Rum, (which Ali claims
Austria has offered), and I'm in a world of hurt, but Germany has
been the quietest of all of us, so far, and what he has said has been
a bit odd, so I hope that the nightmare doesn't happen.
> Ivy seems like he will understand your point.
I hope so. I think I've made it clear to him that hurting him
doesn't benefit me, and that he should consider the most likely
case, rather than the worst-case scenario at this point.
> In my talks with Austria and Turkey, it would appear that I
> have the option of attacking either one. Both are courting me
> against the other. Do you have a preference for AI or IT?
Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
Also, if we eliminate Austria first, we'll have to fight our way
into the corner, and the turn around and head the other way
to find new targets, while if we eliminate Turkey first, we can
then turn west and take out Austria on our way to France and
Germany. All that having been said, I actually think I trust
Turkey more than I do Austria, though I'm not sure why. 8-)
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Russia
> Though actually, it may draw France north against
> England which will allow you to focus in the East more comfortably.
That would be a nice effect from my point of view. Let's hope it
materializes. Here's my take on the French strategy for this game. He sees
a clear and easy stalemate line in Iberia from any Eastern Med power. If he
can somehow eliminate England and Germany, then he's free to setup the
stalemate line and then use his remaining forces to take Scandanavia.
MAR-STP for 17 centers and most probable victory. For that reason, I can
see him leaving me alone and concentrating north.
> Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
> Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
> on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
> questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
Oh, I've already written that message. I just asked him in general terms
what he thought of the opening moves and specifically about your move to STP
and France's potential for +3. I won't lobby on your behalf unless he asks
me directly my opinion on whether he should move den-swe.
> combine that with Ser S Bul-Rum, (which Ali claims
> Austria has offered), and I'm in a world of hurt,
I've heard this as well but Ali didn't sound like he was ready to take up
the offer.
> but Germany has been the quietest of all of us, so far, and what
> he has said has been a bit odd, so I hope that the nightmare > doesn't
happen.
Here's my take. EF write a lot. Most Dip players that send a lot of press
like to ally with other players that send a lot of press, even if that just
means talking about a silly bicycle race. Thus, I suspect that Germany is a
last resort option for both of them.
> Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
> if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
> Also, if we eliminate Austria first, we'll have to fight our way
> into the corner, and the turn around and head the other way
> to find new targets, while if we eliminate Turkey first, we can
> then turn west and take out Austria on our way to France and
> Germany.
My thinking precisely although it takes me longer to realize the gain
(unless I can talk Austria into letting me 'borrow' Greece) which leaves me
exposed to France for quite some time. France has promised not to build in
Marseilles regardless of the fall outcome so that would go a long way in
relieving my nervousness.
> All that having been said, I actually think I trust
> Turkey more than I do Austria, though I'm not sure why. 8-)
It's simple. Turkey is the better player and more trustworthy individual.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend
> Here's my take on the French strategy for this game. He sees a
> clear and easy stalemate line in Iberia from any Eastern Med power.
> he can [..] setup the MAR-STP stalemate line and then [try for the]
> most probable victory.
Yes, that's one option, but watch for the other. (Grab Tunis early,
and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
> > Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
> > Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
> > on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
> > questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
> Ali didn't sound like he was ready to take up the offer.
The only thing worse for Austria than RA Rum, TA Bul, is TA Rum,
TA Bul, so I doubt that Ali believes the offer.
> I suspect that Germany is a last resort option for both of them.
Agreed, although I'm offering both help taking out Germany in
the mid-game, if they ally with him first to take out the other. ;-)
> > Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
> > if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
>
> My thinking precisely although it takes me longer to realize the gain
Turkey's move of Smy-Con will come back to haunt him, if
Austria does the intelligent thing (Ser S F Alb-Gre). There's no way
he can end up with F Con, F Smy after Builds, so you'll be able to
move Fleets to Aeg and EMed in '02.
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
If I do get Belgium, I will waive that build. I would do
so for the reason that I stated, keeping our relationship
strong. However, my taking Belgium is certainly not
guaranteed. England and Russia may work things out so
that England bounces me in Belgium. Or I may choose to
simply hold and not even go for it.
You mentioned ways for us to keep our alliance balanced.
I am not sure how we can accomplish that right now, other
than agreeing not to grow too fast. I doubt that either
one of us wants to borrow the other Iberia or Tunis. I
suppose our only option to interact in the near term
would be in Germany. Some things to ponder on dark
nights while you enjoy a nice red wine.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicolas:
I have heard from Germany only once. It does not bode
well for him to be surrounded by three communicative
neighbors and spend so little time talking with them. I
can be patient, but can we all continue to be patient for
the long term? We shall see what develops.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
>I have heard from Germany only once.
Hmm, could he be out on the course, rooting for
Ulrich?
>It does not bode well for him to be surrounded
>by three communicative neighbors and spend so
>little time talking with them.
Yes, I wonder if he is experiencing some
manner of domestic crisis? It seems inconceivable
to me that anyone could acheive a position of
leadership in Germany at this level without being
an engaging communicator.
>We shall see what develops.
Yes. EF vs. G, followed by FR vs. E still
works. 8-)
Cordially,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Turkey
Esteemed Ali Baba,
>As you mentioned, Austria is indeed urging anti-Russian cooperation. I've a
>sense that he and Italy are closer than he lets on; he claims the Tri attack
>was genuine, but I think it smells of a pre-arranged standoff. I suspect
>that Tamara is simply playing me and Italy off against each other.
Tamara! Austria uses different women for different nations, based on the
first letter of that nation. He sends Edna to talk to me.
I do believe that Austria is sincere in his desire to go for Russia. At
least it is consistent with action that he urges me to take. I gather that
he has been after German help also.
>Unfortunately, although Roberto seemed friendly at first, I have not heard
>from him in a while. Be that as it may, at this time I am favourably
>considering Austria's proposals.
I can't read Italy's intentions. He did express some interest in heading
west in an earlier correspondence, but I really don't hear from him enough
to know.
>How is your relationship with France?
It's good. My relationship with Germany is good. I think France and
Germany talk a lot also. Something wrong here. One of us will be in for a
rude surprise fairly soon.
>Any idea how Germany might view AT cooperation against Russia?
At least in the beginning I'm pretty sure Germany would like it. He
doesn't want to worry abourt Russia at his back while dealing with the
France/England/Germany triangle.
That's the world as I see it.
Now, what moves should I make? 8-)
Ivy Wingo
Message from Austria to Turkey
> If you're agreeable to Ser S Bul-Rum, then I gratefully accept.
> Please let me know one way or the other, and please be honest; I don't
> want to rely on support that turns out not to be there.
I am ordering Ser s Bul-Rum, with this message. I am only a little
nervous, which seems to me the right level of anxiety: if I'm completely
comfortable, I'm not taking enough risks.
Tamara, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to Italy
> Not too sure about this. I heard from England, prior to the results
> arriving, that FG had pre-arranged a bounce in Burgundy. The bounce
> doesn't necessarily signify an adversarial relationship.
I heard that too, after the moves. Still, a Germany who eagerly adopts an
FG at this point is begging to get sandwiched between the resulting huge
France and the northern-oriented Russia, after England is gone. I'm
hoping for EG.
> On to new business. What are your plans for Vienna this year? If
> you're headed to Galicia with the intent of army builds in Vie and Bud
> in the winter, I could move Trieste to Tyrolia and begin my army push
> north that we previously discussed. I would also be content with moving
> Trieste to Tuscany to demilitarize our border and to provide some
> security against France. Any advice?
I just heard from Turkey agreeing to Ser s Bul-Rum. He may just be
setting me up for bouncing me out of Gre, but I'm inclined to take the
risk. Given that, I'd lean toward also moving Vie-Gal and getting a head
start there. Russia, split between north and south, should have no good
tactical response, and strategically, Turkey won't be quick to come to his
aid if he is looking at gaining Rum and/or Sev. That should leave Turkey
isolated once the Lepanto reaches his shores.
Accordingly, I would appreciate Ven moving (other than to Tri :-).
Ven-Tyr would be my first choice, but depends on your relationship with
Germany. If Germany is unhappy with France, he might prefer Ven-Pie,
which puts pressure on France without directly threatening him (it can't
make progress without a lot of support.)
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>For what it's worth, Russia has indicated to me an unwillingness to have an
>army stationed in STP come the winter. I believe him and do not think he
>would bounce an unsupported move to Norway.
I tend to believe him also. The point is that it probably doesn't matter
whether I believe him or not. I can take Norwegian matters into my own
hands this fall and then sit back and see whether or not he builds in StP.
The downside is Belgium. I am trying to use diplomatic means to keep
France out of Belgium.
Good luck,
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Russia
Dear Nicky,
>If you think I have
>it in for you, encourage Germany to bounce me, and order Nwg-Bar,
>Nth C Yor-Nwy.
No, I have no intention of doing this. If you reread my earliest mail to
you, you will see that I was trying to initiate peace and neutrality in the
north. That's still in my best interest.
>> On a related matter, having privy to communications from Germany and
>> France, I might now up the odds of Belgium remaining vacant.
>
> You don't believe me, but you believe them? 8-)
I see the smiley. But of course I was referring to a hunch, not a belief
when I referred to odds.
>> Do you wish to know which nations of the world are urging Germany to
>> bounce you in Sweden?
>
> That sort of information is always appreciated.
I thought you would never ask. I know of four countries who _say_ they
want Germany to bounce you in Sweden. However, since that would be a pro
England bounce by Germany, it is entirely possible that some of these four
are just pretending to be on my good side. They could be saying something
entirely different to Germany. It is probably best that I not name the
countries. Sorry for the tease.
I have had exactly one decent piece of mail from germany since the last
move. We seem to be on good terms, but it is hard to build confidence when
you don't speak often. It appears he is at least considering a bounce in
Sweden. On the other hand, he gave no clue about what he might do in
Burgundy.
Most cordially,
Ivy
Message from Italy to France
>
> You mentioned ways for us to keep our alliance balanced.
> I am not sure how we can accomplish that right now, other
> than agreeing not to grow too fast.
>
This would be fine with me. I understand that you are a larger country and
need more units. I'm not asking for equality in our units. It's a foregone
conclusion that you'll be at six before I even have a chance at a fifth.
All I'm asking is that you try not to reach 7,8, and beyond while I'm still
stuck at 4.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from England to France
>>Remember my message to you about what should I say if
>>Germany asked advice on Burgundy?
>Well, I have decided not to mention Burgundy at all. We
>may want me to make it to Burgundy. I prefer to simply
>ignore it and play dumb later. If he mentions it, just
>reply that it sounds like a good way to ensure a war with
>France. Is that wise while he is unsure about Russia? I
>guess discourage it, but do not be obvious.
Looks like it will never come up. Germany sent me one thoughtful message
the other day. The rest is silence.
>>Not ten years?
>OK, conquer Germany, Conquer Russia, Expanding into
>Austria and Italy. As Turkey is dying, we battle for the
>victory. How is that?
Yes, yawn. This is so easy. It's like tic-tac-toe. One gets bored so quickly.
>This possible plan is predicated on our decision to hit
>Germany and try to get Russia on board. There is risk
>for each of us, but nothing is gained without risk. One
>must trust someone. I have chosen to trust you and
>assume the reverse is true.
I will never forget the words of a friend who introduced me to Diplomacy,
FTF, some years ago. He said, "You've got to trust SOMEONE." He was
right. I learned a second valuable lesson in my second e-mail game
somewhat later. But that's another story. I've added a third principle of
my own. If you ask at the end of this adventure, I will tell you what #2 &
#3 are. But it all starts with building trust.
>Fall 01:
>Yor -> Bel
>Nwg -> Nor
>Pic -> Bur
>Mar -> Spa
>MAO -> Por
>
>Winter 01:
>A Par
>F Bre
>F Lon
>F Edi if Nor succeeds
This is one of the possibilities that I am considering. I am also thinking
of Yor -> Nor, possibly with support. That would leave Belgium open for
another year.
>Spring 01:
>Bel s Bur -> Ruh
>Nth -> Hel
>Bre -> Pic
>Par -> Bur
>Lon -> Nth
>Edi -> Nwg
>Spa -> Gas
>Nor s A Fin -> Swe?
>
>Fall 01:
>Bur/Pic -> Bel
>Bel -> Hol
>Nwg& Nor hold Norway
>Bel -> Hol
A bit much for my wee brain. I just want to wake up alive on Thursday
morning and take it from there.
>
>Certainly there are many ifs here. For it to work I
>would have to convince Germany that I am coming after
>you. The fleet in Brest may help that. You could
>complain about it. I would have to explain away the move
>to Burgundy. You might have to help by irritating
>Germany a bit, otherwise Germany could stall many of my
>moves and hence stall our joint efforts. We can deal
>with those situations when they occur.
>
>It is just a starting plan. Tell me your thoughts.
It all seems reasonable. Only German/Russian coordination would be a
problem. Which is why that Sweden bounce means so much.
>I realize that you may prefer to put your army in Norway.
> If you make that choice, I may instead take Belgium, but
>waive that third build. It would at least get an army in
>a better spot and challenge Germany for Belgium in the
>fall.
This doesn't work for me, good Prince. I am facing possible units in
Sweden, Finland, and StP after the build, while the Mediterranean is quiet.
If I do take Belgium, and the Russian threat magically vanishes [bounce in
Sweden, trouble in SE Europe] then Belgium can easily be reassigned
according to revised needs.
>The plan would be similar except that I would
>already be in Belgium and be supporting you to Holland.
>It is just a matter of how much you trust Russia. If you
>do move your army to Norway, you simply have to tell
>Russia that his move to St. Petes was too much of a
>threat to you and you had to assume the worst. Now that
>he proved himself, you will glad help him take Sweden,
>etc. and move the army this year. (to holland would be
>the spot)
I am indeed considering putting the army in Norway.
>>For what it is worth, Russia has sent me message after
>>message begging me to trust him and bounce you in
>>Belgium.
I have had about as many messages from Russia this season as messages from
all others combined. All beg, literally beg, me to bounce you in Belgium.
He is really, really trying. It all goes back to him wanting one of us
dead.
*****
My sister is visiting and I have been preoccupied these past two days.
When I did try to diplome last night my modem wouldn't work.
*****
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
> I can take Norwegian matters into my own
> hands this fall and then sit back and see whether or not he
> builds in StP.
There is a nasty rumor floating around that AT may team up to prevent a
Russian build in STP. Should Germany bounce Russia in Sweden, Russia may
not even have a chance to build in STP.
> The downside is Belgium. I am trying to use diplomatic means to keep
> France out of Belgium.
>
Last I heard from France, if he tries for Belgium, he'd waive the subsequent
build (ie: he wouldn't build in MAR). However, he sounded like he wasn't
even sure if he'd even try for it so maybe your voice is being heard.
Regardless, I wish you the best of luck this coming fall.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Yes, that's one option, but watch for the other. (Grab
> Tunis early, and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
>
Only problem would be, France would be required to devote several units to
the defense of Tunis and it would be much more difficult then to eliminate
Germany and England and get to Scandanavia in time.
I had some time last night to think long-term about this game (I volunteered
to clean the kitchen so I could have some time alone to think). Let me know
if this matches with your thoughts.
Early game: AIR vs T and EFR vs G; Turkey and Germany eliminated
Mid game: IR vs A and FR vs E; England and Austria eliminated
End game: free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no viable
stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I just want to make certain that things are clear. I did
not quite follow part of your message.
If you put your army in Norway, you do not want me to
take Belgium? Is that correct? I did not follow why
that would not work for you. Perhaps I typed something
wrong that I did not catch?
I would prefer one of us have an army in Belgium. It
seems a strong position than Burgundy and would take a
whole lot less explaining. However if you have a good
reason for leaving it open, please help me understand.
I also want to avoid any misunderstandings.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Germany
Hope that you find time to write. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the
Spring moves.
I'd also like to discuss the merits (pros/cons) of an Italian move to
Tyrolia.
I know you're busy and I don't want to pester you, but I think it's
important that we at least touch base with each other before the fall moves
are due tonight.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> > (Grab Tunis, and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
> France would require several units to defen[d]
> Tunis and it would be much more
> difficult then to eliminate Germany and England
> and get to Scandinavia in time.
True, but there's also the issue of my
northern opening. That makes it much more difficult
for France to reach StP, unless EG combine to force
me back, which is bad for France in its own right.
France is writing a lot, but not saying much, so it
is difficult for me to say what he has in mind, but
if I was you, I wouldn't depend too much on him
ignoring you. (If he builds in Mar, I'd order
Ven-Pie in a heartbeat.)
> AIR vs. T and EFR vs. G; Turkey and Germany eliminated
I agree in the East. In the West I may harass
the one of the alliance members, rather than piling on
to the victim, since the slower the West resolves, the
better for us. Harassment also will create a strength
disparity in the alliance, encourages alliance shifts,
and stabs once the victim is eliminated.
> IR vs. A and FR vs. E; England and Austria eliminated
Again, I agree in the East, and the West seems
the most likely result, but E(or F)R vs. G, is also
possible. (Of course the western allies could stick
together, and head East, but I hope that won't happen.)
> free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no
> viable stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
Well, actually:
http://devel.diplom.org/DipPouch/Online/StalematesAtoY/images/sp-6.gif
Centers:
Por, Spa, Mar, Tun, Nap, Rom, Ven, Tri, Vie, Bud, Ser, Rum,
Gre, Bul, Con, Ank, Smy. (17)
Units:
F NAf, F Wes, A Por, A Spa, F Lyo, A Mar, A Pie, A Tyl,
A Vie, A Bud, A Rum, A Bul, F Bla, A Arm. (14)
Orders:
A Por S Spa; F Lyo S Mar; A Pie S Tyl; A Bud S Vie;
A Bul & F Bla S Rum
would split the board quite evenly between us.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
The Dauphin wanted to know if the sister visiting you is
the same one that would win the date with him if your
Tour de France team, USPS, receives the most points?
He even went on to ask some question things about if she
is cute, available and some things that I am too
embarassed to repeat. Let's just ignore these questions.
I hope that you enjoy your visit with your sister and the
threat of a date with the Dauphin does not drive her into
leaving too soon.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I trust that things are going well. I have nothing
substantial to report, other than saying good luck.
Italy really does not mention what he is planning. We
have a unexpressed agreement not to get too nosy. Russia
is not saying too much about his plans in Scandinavia.
He is definately taking a Northern interest, which can be
a problem for us. If he gets two builds and they are
both in the North, we have another large power in the
North to deal with. Interesting even if it turns out to
be troublesome.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Germany
My Dear Frederick,
Well, the deadline is only ten hours away, but still no
word from you. I'm going to have to order StP-Fin, so that
I can support myself into Sweden in S1902M if you choose to
bounce me this Fall. I have no desire for conflict with you,
but the Swedes want to join the EEU under Russian protection,
so I have to honor that request. I hope that you will see the
wisdom of allowing my Northern Fleet to enter Stockholm Harbor
without interference from the German Navy this Fall. Both France and
England still seem willing to consider you as an
ally, but your continued silence will make that difficult to
achieve. I will attempt to check my mail this evening, but
the Tsaritsa Alexandra is planning to engage our
correspondence secretary, so it is doubtful that I will be
able to reply before the deadline passes.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> > By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
> > urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
> > Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long >
> term.
>
> And you heard this rumor where?
Austria, naturally. But it seems to fit. France seems to be dying for word
of which way I'm going to jump; but he's not yet actually come out and
suggested a course of action.
> I haven't told anybody, but England made a
> small Freudian slip. He sent a message shortly after the moves arrived.
It
> was just a friendly everybody made conservative moves type message. Just
> keeping in touch. Oh, and if you can help me figure out why Russia moved
to
> *FIN* I'd appreciate it. [emphasis mine] Well, Russia hadn't quite
gotten
> to Finland yet. This tells me that Ivy knew what Russia was going to do.
> He might not have approved of it, but he knew about it.
Very interesting. Russia strikes me as one who plays his cards close to the
vest, so I find it surprising that England would have had foreknowledge
unless he heard it from the source. I can't for the life of me imagine how
such a thing could be in England's advantage, however, so I believe
England's sentiment is genuinely anti-Russian.
> Just like the convoy is really the only sensible move to make, I think a
> fleet in Naples is really the only sensible build. Building a fleet is
> obvious. That matches any agreements I have with other powers. I am to
> become a sea power. Fleet in Rome doesn't help the front line all that
much
> and fleet in Venice doesn't hide the fact that I'd be moving to the
> Adriatic. Unless there is something I'm missing, then yes I would be
> planning on building a fleet in Naples. I'm sure that wouldn't surprise
> anybody.
Well I wouldn't say it's necessarily the only sensible thing, but I do see
your point. Of course it depends on your final decision on the fall moves
(more on that below).
> > One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
> > double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
> > easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn.
>
> Let me think about this. A lot depends on what Austria replies. I asked
> him if we were still going to bounce in Trieste. If I'm fairly confident
> that I can take Trieste as well and that Austria will order the support,
I'd
> seriously consider your offer.
Have you had any replies? Austria has confirmed to me that he's ordering
the support, and I will reply that I'm taking him up on it. Indeed, those
are my orders at present. But if we believe he'll order the support, then I
favor the Greece maneuver. Others are aware of Austria's anti-Russian
proposals, so he surely knows he'll lose a lot of credibility if he doesn't
follow through. And I could easily sell my support of your attack to
Russia. If Austria can be persuaded to move to Gal at the same time, you
and I would be in the catbird seat.
> My idea of a stab, and this would obviously be a stab, is not to take a
> single center. The victim needs to be damaged to the point that
retaliation
> is minimized.
Agreed. I think there's a good chance the Greece ploy would work well. I
would build an army, and would almost certainly attack Russia in '02. Once
you're committed against Austria, I'll definitely feel a lot better about F
Nap and the Leponto situation. I will query Austria about his thoughts on
Gal.
Anyway, I please write as soon as you can. I look forward to your reply!
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
> I am ordering Ser s Bul-Rum, with this message. I am only a little
> nervous, which seems to me the right level of anxiety: if I'm completely
> comfortable, I'm not taking enough risks.
Heh heh. I find the only times I'm completely comfortable are the ones
where I've overlooked something important. In any case, you won't regret it
in this case; I've ordered the attacks on Rum and Bla, and I look forward to
an anti-Russian campaign.
England is all for anti-Russian participation, and he predicts that Germany
would be on board as well, at least at first. I've not heard from Germany
himself however; have you?
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Turkey to Germany
Frederick,
Just writing to touch base. To recap, Austria has proposed an anti-Russian
campaign. As you might imagine, I'm most eager to learn your views on the
matter. I'll certainly understand if you cannot give me any details of your
plans, but any hint at all would be welcome.
I look foward to hearing from you at your earliest opportunity.
Ali Baba
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>If you put your army in Norway, you do not want me to
>take Belgium? Is that correct?
Yes, that was what I meant. But I hope it is the tactical consideration of
an army in Belgium that concerns you and not the balance of our forces.
In more detail now: Of four outcomes -- bounce in Belgium, England gets
Belgium, France gets Belgium, neither attempts Belgium -- I thought we had
agreed that only one -- France gets Belgium -- would make one of us
unhappy, namely me. You know the reasons. I don't want a 6-center France
on one side of me while I had to face a posssible major Russian attack on
Norway.
>I would prefer one of us have an army in Belgium. It
>seems a strong position than Burgundy and would take a
>whole lot less explaining.
This part was indeed a misunderstanding. I thought that an English army in
Belgium, as opposed to a fleet, was less desirous to you because of your
concerns for your own security. Thus I thought you might welcome my army
in Norway. Besides, I thought, an army in Norway is immediately backed up
by two English fleets and can withstand a triple attack by Russia.
What I didn't consider was the need for an army in Belgium in order to work
against Ruhr in 1902. That's where your forward thinking for 1902 has to
be considered.
>However if you have a good
>reason for leaving it open, please help me understand.
Return now to the four Belgium outcomes mentioned above. It's not that I
prefer to leave Belgium open, it's merely that I assumed that that was one
of three acceptible possibilities.
If you infer from all of this that I haven't decided whether to
double-attack Norway or split my fleets between Norway and Belgium, you are
correct. This decision is driving me crazy. I really hated that two-day
postponement. I wanted to get this behind me, one way or another.
********
My sister is married, but I know the practices of the dauphin and his ilk.
She is not to be trifled with. Just to be sure, I rushed her out of town
about an hour ago to a secure, but undisclosed, site in Massachusetts,
where she shall remain in hiding until perhaps Thanksgiving, or Christmas.
Most cordially,
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I understand the preference of France for an English
fleet in Belgium rather than an army. However, I have
chosen to trust you, therefore I will accept the things
that the Dauphin tells me make tactical sense. An army
is better than a fleet. If it English, then we are
prepare to trust that English army. We will want to see
it head East, but for now we accept it.
If you will not take Belgium, then I wanted my army
there. I will not press this to the point of breaking
our alliance however. It is a just matter of flexibility
for the future. The best situation is armies in both
Belgium and Burgundy. But if that is not the case,
Belgium is better than Burgundy.
Is your concern for a 6 Supply Center France or a 6 Unit
France? My waiving a build could easily create a 5 Unit
France.
I still prefer the plan that I sent. If you get Belgium
and bounce in Norway, you still have 4 centers. This
does weaken your position against Russia, admittedly.
But it puts you on the high ground with him. You
attempted the fleet as promised. Perhaps that would help
convince Russia to side with us against Germany.
However, I think that he would go with whatever situation
happens: EF vs. G or FG vs. E. Therefore we propose the
attack on Germany during the builds and he will probably
go for it.
I tentatively have orders in for Pic -> Bur. I wait upon
your decision. Since it is primarily your risk, I wait
for you to decide upon two things.
1) Will you go to Belgium?
2) If not, will you allow me there on condition that I
waive my build.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Good Prince Boar,
>If you will not take Belgium, then I wanted my army
>there. I will not press this to the point of breaking
>our alliance however. It is a just matter of flexibility
>for the future. The best situation is armies in both
>Belgium and Burgundy. But if that is not the case,
>Belgium is better than Burgundy.
You urge a decision. Let it be Yorkshire->Belgium.
>Is your concern for a 6 Supply Center France or a 6 Unit
>France? My waiving a build could easily create a 5 Unit
>France.
A 3-center Russian north triggered the concern. If Russia makes the more
conventional opening with three units to the south, then England only needs
four units at the start of 1902. More than that is greedy. I have always
felt that it is least disturbing to the world at large for Germany to get
Belgium and an early six centers. Speaking objectively, five is usually too
many for England, and six is too many for France. Deviant behavior by
Russia or Italy can upset that formula, however, and that is what has
happened.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Thanks for the note. I will be out tonight, but will
check for messages late, just in case you change your
mind. Even if you do and I do not get the message, I
will still be going to Burgundy. No significant harm
done.
Best of luck to us.
-- Prince Boar
PS: Congratulations on the second stage win.
Message from Turkey to Austria
Tamara,
I don't know why I forgot to mention this before. Any luck working things
out with Italy? He's never indicated to me any plan to attack you, so I
hope you're ok there. Anyway, I was wondering if you'll be able to attack
Galicia? If you can, it would make a world of difference.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Accordingly, I would appreciate Ven moving (other than to Tri :-).
>
Dang! Now I have to change my orders. :)
> Ven-Tyr would be my first choice, but depends on your
> relationship with Germany.
Ven-Tyr it is then. I haven't heard from Germany for almost a week now.
I'd prefer to have his approval before moving to Tyrolia. Perhaps my troop
move north will wake him up and get him talking.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> > free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no
> > viable stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
>
> Well, actually:
>
Not exactly what I meant. I know there are stalemate lines that could be
reached. Even in the event of a 2-way draw, Doug is going to want to
declare a winner of the tournament. The tie-breaker I believe is whomever
got to 17 first. If at the same time, who got to 16 and 15 and 14, etc. At
some point, one of the players will win the tie-breaker so the other player
has no real incentive to agree to the two-way. I think it's also common
practice for the power being squeezed out of the draw to somehow 'throw' the
game allowing somebody beyond the stalemate line or flat out forfeiting the
18th center. I just think the dynamics of this game and the tournament
scoring system will make it extremely difficult for any kind of a draw to
take place.
So, when and if the game eventually settles down to 3 powers, I can imagine
a lot of back and forth jockeying for position, looking for that one opening
that will put you in control. 18 centers are not necessary to win the
tournament. Be the first one to 17 with a stalemate line and that's all
that is necessary.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Have you had any replies? Austria has confirmed to me that
> he's ordering the support, and I will reply that I'm taking
> him up on it.
Yes, I heard from Austria this afternoon. I'm not 100% sure. He used
phrases like "I'm inclined to take the risk" and "I'd lean toward". Very
vague. Nothing definite. My two cents, he'll order the support. But I
wouldn't be surprised to see him take the safe route and support himself
into Greece hoping that you'll order the move to Rum and create a RT
conflict.
> But if we believe he'll order the support, then I
> favor the Greece maneuver.
If you don't mind, I'd prefer to wait until next year before attacking
Austria. I'm very interested in how many units France will end up with and
what he builds. I'd hate to lose Austria's friendship and have France pile
on the fleets at the same time. If France builds what he says he's going to
build (ie: not in MAR) then I'll feel much more comfortable with an Austrian
attack.
I completely understand if you do not go thru with Bul-Rum and risk Russian
ire.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Germany to Turkey
Ali:
I still haven't decided whether to bounce Russia in Sweden. It makes
sense, but he's offering some conditions if I don't. I think that you
can guess what those terms are. There's no way that I'd want to see
Russian builds in the north.
Fred
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick:
So sorry on not getting back to you. I thought that I had.
My thoughts are that I have to bounce you. With a Russian presense in
the north my job is just that much more difficult.
Perhaps we'll work together down the road. In fact, I'd bet on it.
Freddy
Message from Germany to Italy
R.
So sorry, I thought that I had sent you a couple of replies. Looking
at my mailbox that's not the case.
I'm glad that you and Austria bounced in Tyrolia. I can live with
either of you there, as long as you tell me ahead of time. I know, a
tough condition.
I'm not happy with an army in STP so soon. Certainly it's anti
English, but ultimately it's anti German. On the other hand Russia is
promising builds in the south. But I don't know if I believe him.
France is more of a concern. He could easily get three builds this
turn. That's not good. I suspect that he'll follow a normal approach
and either attack me or England. In other words I think that you're
safe. I would do most anything to get an Italian army in Piedmont. Do
you have a wish list?
Freddy
Message from Germany to France
PRince Boar:
I have some bad news. And I hope this doesn't get to you too late. I
hate that. And it'll be totally my fault.
I ordered Munich to Burgundy.
My intention is that you'll bounce me out, hopefully with Picardy. My
reason is simple. I don't want you to build three. (I'm pretty sure
England will support himself to Norway. I would) Letting France walk
into Belgium just seems like a bad move to me. And the only way to
prevent it is to make you bounce me.
If this message gets to you after the moves process. (A distinct
possibility) I'll deal with the ramifications. I would imagine that
you'll push me right out of there. The problem for me will be that
you'll have to build armies instead of fleets (If that was your
intention). Obviously I'd rather that you build fleets.
Again, I apologize for the lateness of this message. I always get
pissed when someone does this to me.
Fred
Message from Germany to Italy
R.
I'm ordering Munich to Burgundy. I've also told France that I'm doing
this. Unfortunately, he probably won't see my note until after the
moves have processed. Which was not my intention.
Hopefully, he'll get it in time, and bounce me. Thus making sure that
he only builds three.
If you want to go to PIE, it might be a good time. But it's up to you.
Freddy
Message from France to Germany
Frederick:
I guess that I will be bouncing you in Burgundy. This
may hand Belgium to England. But that is another
ramification of your late notice.
A decent neighbor would tell me about their concerns and
suggest the bounce as a way to alleviate them. He
does not simply tell me this is what I am doing so you
have no choice. No one enjoys coercion. I was actually
trying not to take Belgium, nor have England take it.
Perhaps it is because the time is late that you did not
have time to discuss it. We shall have to make certain
that we find more time before the deadline approaches
next time. I bear blame for not making sure that you
understood my goals. I mentioned it, but perhaps was not
definite enough.
-- Prince Boar
PS: While you sit in your hot tub, ponder ways to make
it up to your dear neighbor to the west :-)
Message from France to England
Ivy:
It appears that I will be bouncing with Germany. He just
*informed* me that he is moving there.
If I had not chosen my preference for an ally already, it
would have been obvious. Who needs one who uses last
minute coercion without discussion.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Germany
>
> PS: While you sit in your hot tub, ponder ways to make
> it up to your dear neighbor to the west :-)
The hot tub and martinis are tomorrow night. I might not be able to
respond then either. At least I sure hope the hell that I can't
respond. ;-) But if everything goes well, I should be able to get my
head back into this game.
Fredd
Message from Turkey to Germany
Freddy,
> I still haven't decided whether to bounce Russia in Sweden. It makes
> sense, but he's offering some conditions if I don't. I think that you
> can guess what those terms are. There's no way that I'd want to see
> Russian builds in the north.
Understood. Keep in mind that if Austria keeps his word, and you bounce
Sweden, Russia may have no builds at all. Just food for thought.
Ali
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
I understand your position. I am going through with it. I can only hope
that when the dust clears, you'll be my ally instead of launching Austria's
Leponto.
Best of luck in the result
Ali Baba
Message from England to France
>It appears that I will be bouncing with Germany. He just
>*informed* me that he is moving there.
But he doesn't inform me -- his proclaimed ally!
Ivy
Austria: Fleet Albania → Greece
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Yorkshire → Belgium
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Yorkshire → North Sea → Belgium
France: Army Marseilles → Spain
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Army Picardy → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Tunis
Italy: Army Venice → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Finland
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
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