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Message from Germany to Italy
Well I did try to warn you about PIE and suggested that you move there. Maybe
he is reliving the game where you exterminated him. Lets talk soon. Do you
think that tri - ven was a setup between France & Austria? just as wel we
suggested moving to APU. I guess you have to have APU support VEN just in case.
Lets see how the Austrian reacts. I find it a little strange that France would
attack you on his own. Maybe this explains why Austria insisted on the bounce.
At least you get TUN. Turkey attacking Russ
ia in the way he did may also point towards an AT. Combine this with a FA
attack on VEN then things begin to add up. My good news is that FE at least
dont seem to be allied against me.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Well guys it seems that in general we are off to a good start. France attacking
Italy only aids us to stick together.
Are AR going to stick together? I suggest they do. Italy has his hands full
with France.
Let me know what you guys are thinking.
Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
I know that my lack of trust with Italy in 1901 has complicated
things between us, but do you care to exchange your thoughts
on what's happening? For my part, I think Germany or Russia
arranged for France to attack you to disrupt the Lepanto.
Maybe Russia had hoped to roll with an RT and would have
prefered to see you occupy else where or this maybe part of
a German plan to further tension between us while having an
easy time invading France.
Hope you have a better understanding of what's happening here,
Philippe
Message from Italy to France
Erik...
Metagaming is below you.
Im nou sure why you wasted your time attacking me, and gave the German 3
builds simultaniously but you did....so what is done is done.
So...why break our DMZ for no profit.
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> Well guys it seems that in general we are off to a good start. France
attacking Italy only aids us to stick together.
>
Are AR going to stick together? I suggest they do. Italy has his hands
full with France.
> Let me know what you guys are thinking.
>
I think that is more up to Austria than up to me.
Message from Italy to Germany
> Well I did try to warn you about PIE and suggested that you move there.
When you are my ally, and you know something.....SAY IT.
Dont suggest. You knew the history.
Maybe
> he is reliving the game where you exterminated him. Lets talk soon.
I eliminated him in the last Comments game also.....
Do you
> think that tri - ven was a setup between France & Austria?
Absolutely.
just as wel we
> suggested moving to APU. I guess you have to have APU support VEN just
in case.
Yeah...but I am going to have 3 enemy fleets in the med in the spring of
02.
> Lets see how the Austrian reacts. I find it a little strange that
France would attack you on his own. Maybe this explains why Austria
insisted on the bounce.
Im sure it was that way, he sent me a note claiming innocence but made no
other statements
> At least you get TUN. Turkey attacking Russ
> ia in the way he did may also point towards an AT. Combine this with a FA
> attack on VEN then things begin to add up. My good news is that FE at least
> dont seem to be allied against me.
Exactly.
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe
> I know that my lack of trust with Italy in 1901 has complicated
> things between us, but do you care to exchange your thoughts
> on what's happening?
I figure you know what is going on.....so help me out....
For my part, I think Germany or Russia
> arranged for France to attack you to disrupt the Lepanto.
>
Why would Russia want to disrupt a Lepanto ....what you are saying here is
that Germany arranged this.....
> Maybe Russia had hoped to roll with an RT and would have
> prefered to see you occupy else where or this maybe part of
> a German plan to further tension between us while having an
> easy time invading France.
Who knows.
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
YOu can come attack France any time you want.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> > Well guys it seems that in general we are off to a good start. France
> attacking Italy only aids us to stick together.
> >
> Are AR going to stick together? I suggest they do. Italy has his hands
> full with France.
> > Let me know what you guys are thinking.
> >
>
> I think that is more up to Austria than up to me.
If Italy is unable to go after Turkey, Russia is the only one
left to assist against him; but don't we risk seeing him
become a bigger partner then we wanted?
Also, I would really like to know what is happening with
France? His moves and those of England fit with a western
triple, except that Tony's moves don't. Were they trick
into something that wasn't to be?
Philippe
Message from Italy to Italy
Well...here I am again, talking to myselfand to you good folks out there
in commentator land.
Im pretty sure that Tony Vernon (Germany) engineered most of this, but I
am not sure yet.
I made a mistake in telling Tony that France and I had the kind of history
that we have, it gave him all the leverage that he would need to convince
Erik to move to Piedmont. But I am not convinced this is him. It could be
Philippe especially with that weak ass press he sent me right after it.
I get the impression that when Philippe starts a game, he builds a grid of
every player in the game and figues out who they ever shared a game with
before and examines the results.
Tony is controlling the movements of Turkey, and probably France. This is
classic Tony.....I am Germany so I will get everyone around me to fight
with each other.
I guess we will see how things go.
Message from Austria to Italy
> I figure you know what is going on.....so help me out....
Thing is, I don't know and I don't like it. France did
ask me about a possible attack of Italy, but once I
said I wasn't interested, I thought that was the end of
it. What he had suggested was a joint attack, not a
french crusade, so it doesn't make sense. Worst is,
I wanted him to protect himself from Germany to
prevent an early french fall to an EG, not to see
everything wide open in the west.
> Why would Russia want to disrupt a Lepanto ....what you are saying here is
> that Germany arranged this.....
I'm suggesting plenty, but don't know squat. That's
the problem. I had hope you would have known
more about the situation.
Anyway, I will try to learn what I can from France
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
> > I figure you know what is going on.....so help me out....
>
> Thing is, I don't know and I don't like it.
France and I have a history. I eliminated him in the first comments game
and since then....sete on USVG....go take a look.
That could be it, but my suspicion is that Tony engineered it.
Look at the board....
4 good players....AGIR
2 reasonable players TF
1 fairly inexperience player E
Austria attacking Germany in 01' is suicide.
Italy could be a problem, and since I have been working VERY hard to get
an EF together, it got back to Tony and he set the French on me.
Russia and France are its biggest threats outside England.
I have been working hard to get someone to put pressure on Germany, and I
guess it backfired.
France attacked me, Turkey attacked Russia....
France did
> ask me about a possible attack of Italy, but once I
> said I wasn't interested, I thought that was the end of
> it. What he had suggested was a joint attack, not a
> french crusade, so it doesn't make sense. Worst is,
> I wanted him to protect himself from Germany to
> prevent an early french fall to an EG, not to see
> everything wide open in the west.
Germany is going to kill France and then take on England. with noone to
bother him.
> > Why would Russia want to disrupt a Lepanto ....what you are saying here is
> > that Germany arranged this.....
>
> I'm suggesting plenty, but don't know squat. That's
> the problem. I had hope you would have known
> more about the situation.
I just spelled out my thoughts....
> Anyway, I will try to learn what I can from France
Please do.
thanks
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
Okay, I can't say you didn't warn me. "Watch out for Tony, watch out for
Tony, watch out for Tony." At least I've learned my lesson early.
I'm dreadfully sorry for the move to Piedmont. I was convinced, thanks to
the efforts of a certain neighbor of ours, that you were headed west
toward Spain and Marseilles. The Austrian's cryptic and unhelpful press,
perhaps at Germany's urging, didn't help matters. I thought Mar - Pie
would bounce. I shouldn't have let him get into my head, but I did.
I suspect that Tony's pulled the same voodoo with England, as I think
they'd made a plan to attack Russia right off the bat -- and it looks like
Tony left Ben out to dry on that one, too. I definitely underestimated his
ability to manipulate people.
The good news is that I can't see this doing anything but bringing England
and I closer together and more resolved to take on Germany. The bad news,
of course, is that I'm in Piedmont, and that's rightfully got you a little
miffed.
I will most certainly move back to Marseilles and hope that you continue
on whatever course (anti-Turkish?) you were headed down.
I need to look at the map and think about where to go next. If you could
do whatever possible diplomatically to make sure that Russia and England
have an interest in seeing Germany go down, I'd appreciate it.
Erik
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
What do you make of what happened there.
I have some ideas, and I think we might need to take care of a couple of
things.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> YOu can come attack France any time you want.
:)
Tony lied his butt off and Erik would much rather wring his neck than yours.
I would also rather see Erik attack Tony than you, and I also know Tony lied
his butt off, just like you said he would.
Could I attack France? Yes. Is that wise, considering Tony? I don't know.
But the F->G animosity is absolutely tremendous and I wonder if, for
instance, you could help get PIE into TYR. I don't know right now if that's
a good idea, but it gives you an idea of the kind of thing that might work.
Ben
Message from England to all
> :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
and find you?
Ben
Message from Italy to all
>
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
> and find you?
I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.
starting tommorow morning
Message from England to Italy
D'oh! Of course. Good luck. Is anything happening on Monday or is it over
by then?
> > > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> > Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to
> send Tony to come
> > and find you?
>
> I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.
>
> starting tommorow morning
Message from Germany to Italy
Well I am afraid I didnt know it, purely based on the history it seemned the
logical conclusion.
Dont forget my initial request was for you to move there in the AIG set up.
It wasnt until Austria started making demands that the request was no longer
made.
Maybe the english I used wasnt the best way of expressing the gut feeling
that ven - pie was the move to make.
It was based on the fact that GIA were to work together. Therefore we
expand. I did try one more time and asked for rom - ven and ven - pie. Alas
the Austria had an hidden agenda. I guess the fall will reveal all as to his
intentions, especially if for now he plays the innocent but doesnt offer any
concrete moves.
I just found the insistence of tri-ven very strange, usually parties just
insist on holding, the move to PIE sheds light on the situation. I will
build in MUN and try and keep RUH where it is. I should be able to get down
to help somehow.
I guess Austria wont be convoying you to ALB. A fleet in ROM whilst Turkey
is busy with Russia whould give you enough breathing space for me to come to
help.
Will have a talk with a few powers and get back to you.
Message to all
> > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
>Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come
>and find you?
I confess. It's me.
;-)
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Western tripple? You must explain it to me one day. All I see is England
doing a bog standard opening and France grabbing two builds and going for
Italy. Add to that the insistence on the bounce in VEN leaving two on VEN is
just as strange. The color of my units may be black but I am amazed how I
suddenly became the black sheep of the family.
Message from Germany to all
> Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500Will one of you confess to
being away? Or will I have to send Tony to come and find you?>
Well the 18th is my birthday and I was planning on spending all cash
donations on a shopping spree at Harrods in f1903m (in London for the
americans under you ;-). But if the offer is right then I will be willing to
hunt the AWOLér down
Message from Italy to France
Erik,
> Okay, I can't say you didn't warn me. "Watch out for Tony, watch out for
> Tony, watch out for Tony." At least I've learned my lesson early.
>
I hope so....you are wide open and he is going to hurt you if you dont do
something about it. Because he is going to get 3 unless Ben can find a way
to talk him into Belgium, which I doubt.
> I'm dreadfully sorry for the move to Piedmont. I was convinced, thanks to
> the efforts of a certain neighbor of ours, that you were headed west
> toward Spain and Marseilles.
Understood. And as soon as I saw it, I was pretty sure that was going on.
The Austrian's cryptic and unhelpful press,
> perhaps at Germany's urging, didn't help matters. I thought Mar - Pie
> would bounce. I shouldn't have let him get into my head, but I did.
I dont think so....Austria is giving me a firm line of *what the hell is
going on*, and I believe him to a point.
> I suspect that Tony's pulled the same voodoo with England, as I think
> they'd made a plan to attack Russia right off the bat -- and it looks like
> Tony left Ben out to dry on that one, too. I definitely underestimated his
> ability to manipulate people.
Did you just ignore me when I said that he was MUCH better than I am.
Much better than Tamas is.
Help me out here.
But there is no reason to beat a dead horse.
> The good news is that I can't see this doing anything but bringing England
> and I closer together and more resolved to take on Germany. The bad news,
> of course, is that I'm in Piedmont, and that's rightfully got you a little
> miffed.
Just get out of my backyard.
> I will most certainly move back to Marseilles and hope that you continue
> on whatever course (anti-Turkish?) you were headed down.
We shall see.
> I need to look at the map and think about where to go next. If you could
> do whatever possible diplomatically to make sure that Russia and England
> have an interest in seeing Germany go down, I'd appreciate it.
I will do my best.
Message from Germany to all
>>I am going to be at the North American Dip Championships til Monday.>>
Try and set a board up as we stand at this moment and ask 7 top players to
make fall move suggestions (backed up by the diploming that needs to be done
first).
p.s. Dont forget to share anything they say
Message from Italy to England
What did Germany promise you
Message to all
> > > :: Deadline: F1901M Mon Oct 20 2003 23:30:00 -0500
> >Will one of you confess to being away? Or will I have to send Tony to
come
> >and find you?
>
> I confess. It's me.
>
> ;-)
>
>
Tony, I am one of those expecting you to broadcast your fall moves!
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
Well...the French claim to have been snowed by the German.
What are you hearing...
Im thinking that we get together with Russia, kill the turn and move west.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> Western tripple? You must explain it to me one day. All I see is England
> doing a bog standard opening and France grabbing two builds and going for
> Italy. Add to that the insistence on the bounce in VEN leaving two on VEN is
> just as strange. The color of my units may be black but I am amazed how I
> suddenly became the black sheep of the family.
No problem: http://devel.diplom.org/Zine/F1999R/Szykman/triple.html
I didn't say there was a western triple. I said France
might have been trick into thinking there was one,
completely different.
I would agree that France might not have been tricked
into anything and has plans of his own; but if he was,
I'm clearly not the one in position to profit from this.
It's been made quite clear since the start that Ven
would be safe in the fall.
Now, on a happier note, congratulation Tony for your
very good positionning. Are you actually aiming for 3
builds or just expecting England to bounce one of them?
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
OK, I have no idea what is going on so I have also pressed FA, FE, ER. If we
all are confused as I am then I dont see the move to PIE as any other than
that of an AIGR confirmation. APU gets convoyed to GRE and UKR gets
supported to RUM. Or was Italy ment to take TUN and Austria ment to get GRE
and SER?
The options are endless. My initial talks were of AIG, I am sticking to that
for now, my moves do not indicate any other alliance. If I were part of an
EFG then I wouldnt be putting a claim on BEL/HOL.
Strange you believe EFG can get a 3 way agreed and not AIG. I guess we will
all have to await the fall moves to see where the alliances are forming.
I do recall however that the last comments game consisted of three players
lieing to one power during the spring move.
Even to date this is an interesting game.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
>>Are you actually aiming for 3 builds or just expecting England to bounce
one of them?>>
Well as I am part of an AIG I thought we would all be going for maximum
builds.
As it is I expect him to bounce me in BEL or HOL. I guess I have to go for
them both.
I am assuming you dont want me to bounce in Sweden now.
If you want to turn the AIGR into an AIGT then I assume you want me to
bounce him.
On the other hand you offer to support the Turk into RUM but DONT. Instead
you support yourself into RUM from BUD. You suggest the Turk moves on BLA
and cuts support from SEV in exchange for helping him into RUM (which you
dont but him cutting support from SEV ensures that yuou get in).
As Italy at worst faces three fleets by fall next year he could convoy to
GRE.
If the pair of you are convinced that I am part of an EFG gone wrong then
VEN is not in trouble from TRI/VEN.
I guess thats something Italy has to decide. But there is still plenty of
potential for AIG.
Message from Austria to Italy
> Well...the French claim to have been snowed by the German.
>
> What are you hearing...
Pretty much the same thing.
> Im thinking that we get together with Russia, kill the turn and move west.
Don't forget that I'm stuck between you and Russia.
The plan for the elimination of Turkey was for you
and I to end up with the biggest shares of the spoils
so we could pursue an AI alliance. If France has a
grudge against you and allow Germany to influence
him, we risk seeing him distract you from the turkish
invasion and have Russia take the bulk of Turkey's
homeland since there's no way for me to easily get
there in your place.
At the moment, my relation with Turkey is ok, as you
can imagined, and this could be use to involved Turkey
in a war with Russia that would allow us to setup the
fall of Turkey that would really favor us, not Russia.
Philippe
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> What did Germany promise you
I thought you might have figured it out by now.
A Western Triple. Erik & Tony had separately suggested trying one. If
Germany was now in SIL and PRU, and France and I were as we are now,
wouldn't there be doors open for Erik & me.
But it wasn't meant to be, at least in F'01. It was an easy call for me -
I'm not extended at all - but it sure messed up Erik's position. Anyway the
key is, I would like to keep the door open between you & France, & we are
now at the stage where I don't want you to make his head explode. Which
isn't to say that I *can't* move on him, I just want to put these cards on
the table & we can figure out the next step.
Ben
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> As Italy at worst faces three fleets by fall next year he could convoy to
> GRE.
> If the pair of you are convinced that I am part of an EFG gone wrong then
> VEN is not in trouble from TRI/VEN.
> I guess thats something Italy has to decide. But there is still plenty of
> potential for AIG.
Personaly, I don't see any problem with AIG.
If there had actually been a western triple, it
would have created problems of allegiance;
but since it's not the case.
As for bouncing Sweden, Russia is a minor
partner of AGI that is needed to take down
Turkey. Since the goal isn't to see him get
strong out of it, I'm ok with seeing him get
bounced in Sweden if it doesn't interfere with
the southern plan. Your call.
Philippe.
P.-S. What's with the GFA press?
Message from Italy to England
> Could I attack France? Yes. Is that wise, considering Tony? I don't know.
> But the F->G animosity is absolutely tremendous and I wonder if, for
> instance, you could help get PIE into TYR. I don't know right now if that's
> a good idea, but it gives you an idea of the kind of thing that might work.
Work with France.....kill Tony.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
>> P.-S. What's with the GFA press?>>
As stated I pressed EF, FA, ER. I have no idea what is going on and by fall
i hope that my eyes will be opened.
Maybe Turkey and me who went it alone are the only sane ones here ;-)
I am anxiously awaiting the fall move, I hate being left out
Maybe I should try a GIT or any other 3 letter combination broadcast ;-).
Message from Germany to all
Hey Jason, I think that it was only you and me who went it alone maybe we
should team up for a 2 way?!... or did you move in accordance with...... ;-)
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message from tvernon@chello.nl as Germany to Austria and Italy in 'c2':
>
> Western tripple? You must explain it to me one day.
Tony.....please....you know what a western triple is.....
All I see is England
> doing a bog standard opening and France grabbing two builds and going for
> Italy.
Which is a standard Western Triple.....hell, France didnt come near you.
Add to that the insistence on the bounce in VEN leaving two on VEN is
> just as strange. The color of my units may be black but I am amazed how I
> suddenly became the black sheep of the family.
You arent, but dont insult me.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Work with France.....kill Tony.
As I said - that's my first choice.
But my friggin plan is in the friggin toilet & looking back on it it was not
a good one.
Status right now is I'm trying to negotiate my way into BEL. It'll be a
long haul, with Erik's units where they are. Wish me luck & any suggestions
are welcome. I guess the long haul is good news for you, anyway. ;-)
Ben
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
>>Tony.....please....you know what a western triple is.....>>
Well I can understand it as in a threesome like IAG but not with some actual
moves attached as in the moves of FE with G moves gone wrong.
>>All I see is England doing a bog standard opening and France grabbing two
builds and going for
> > Italy. Which is a standard Western Triple.....hell, France didnt come
near you.>>
I know he didnt. We had an agreement we wouldnt just as I had with Russia,
Austria had one with Russia. I assume you had one with France. One I assume
Russia had with Turkey and vice versa.
England had an "I wont move on you and I hope you wont move on me approach "
which was fine with me. I went solo like Turkey only less agressive as
Turkey whilst I awaited the outcome of the AI affair in VEN.
If I would have moved on England then KIE would be in HOL.
> > The color of my units may be black but I am amazed how I
> > suddenly became the black sheep of the family.
>
> You arent, but dont insult me.
Its an insult to myself, before I saw the link I had never heared of a
"western tripple" opening combined with moves.
Only a western tripple in the sense of an alliance as in a central alliance
or eastern alliance. I couldnt even tell you the moves to a lepanto. I
always try to make alliances early and I play every round according to the
situation on the board.
Looking at it it still spells GAI.
Message from Russia to all
Yo' -- dere's a lot mora dem grey broadcasts going around agin.
Ceppin' fer Jason "da Kid", we'z all done our five jobs fer Don
Masseyoni an' is made men. We deserve more respect dan dis.
An' tell Ben "da' Shark" dat he don' need ta' send "Snake Eyes" Tony
out on no jobs. I'z da won wat's gonna be dealin' wit family bizness
fer a bit.
--- Tzarface
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"Ben, I'm the one who requested the absence. --- Eric"
Message from Russia to Italy
After comments 1, I keep thinking I should be sending press for you
to Austria. I really hope I don't end up screwing that up!
Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
Perhaps creating EF cooperation in the north was too successful.
Hopefully I'll have a choice of E and G. Germany's move to Ruh makes
me doubt there's an immediate western triple, but I'm not sure there.
I guess DMZing Gal was also not the best choice. It looks a lot like
AT cooperation in the south, though Austria is not as committed as
Turkey. If we assume Austria attacks Tri and is happy with Ser,
Turkey's probably going get supported to Rum, while cutting Sev. That
makes for an interesting decision on my part. I'm not quite sure yet
how to proceed, but clearly I've got to figure a way to break AT
apart.
If all the above is true, then Ion-Gre might be an interesting
gamble. F Gre does very little good in the short term, but it forces
AT to use two units to press it. It also would help me break into Rum
if AT cooperation continues. If you can want to be really risky, you
could try to negotiate the safety of Ven and then order Apu-Ion-Gre.
Fantastic if successful, horrid otherwise!
If Germany allows me Sweden, I've got some maneuvering room. If he
doesn't I'm not sure what I'll do. I've got some initial thoughts,
but would like to hear your input before sharing my thinking on how I
should respond.
The AFT moves are definitely going to make RI coordination difficult
for a while. The first questions are how confident do we feel that
it's serious and something we need to negotiate our way through, and
the second is how risky a response do we want to make. (See above for
my example of the kind of thing that constitutes a risky response).
We need to talk a lot. I'm the one that's away next week, so we may
have to wait until late in the week to coordinate.
Good luck either way.
--- Tzarface
Message to all
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Message from Austria to Italy
Andy,
It seem Tony's talk is good enough that people believe
there's an AF going on. Now, I'm not as interested to
discuss Tony's skill as to learn if you are one of the
believer.
Philippe
Message from Turkey to all
I only move in accordance with the voices in my head....
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, that sucked!
Anything I can do to help right now? I don't know of any plan by Austria
to help France, but I can try and talk him out of it if need be.
jason
Message from Italy to Austria
> It seem Tony's talk is good enough that people believe
> there's an AF going on. Now, I'm not as interested to
> discuss Tony's skill as to learn if you are one of the
> believer.
Let me answer this in an odd way.
If I say No...I dont think there is an AF, it opens the door for there to
be one.
If I say Yes....you have no reason NOT to have one.
I think Tony would like me to think there is an AF, I think Tony would
like you to think there is an IR....and France and IE, Russia an AT....
you get the picture.
This is Tony's game, always remove the attention from himself to someone
else.
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> This is Tony's game, always remove the attention from himself to someone
> else.
OK. The reason I asked anyway, it's because you didn't get back
to me about Turkey. I don't need you to let me in on how you
wish to handle France; but I need to know how soon you planned
on being available to go after Turkey.
As for our loyalty to AI, we will know for sure by the end of the
year, so I'm not worried.
Philippe.
P.-S. My fleet is available if you need me to support Apu-Ven
while you cover Tus from Ven.
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
Thanks for at least understanding my mistake. I can assure you that I will
not be seeking further gains in the Italian peninsula (right now ;) ).
England and I are both very concerned about Tony, and Tony and I are
concerned about England, and I'm sure Tony and England are concerned about
me. Not the best time for a Franco-Italian war.
I have not set any plans in motion yet, but I am considering an intriguing
option in which A Pie moves to Tyrolia. Would you be willing to consider
or even support such a move?
And do you have any idea what the story with the Turk's move to Armenia
was?
Erik
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I hope I am successfully negotiating with Erik but any words of
encouragement you throw his way will be appreciated.
I hope the tournament treated you well.
Ben
Message from Italy to all
Good Morning...
I owe almost all of you press. Sorry about that, i was without access all
weekend.
It will be coming out shortly.
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Don't forget that I'm stuck between you and Russia.
> The plan for the elimination of Turkey was for you
> and I to end up with the biggest shares of the spoils
> so we could pursue an AI alliance. If France has a
> grudge against you and allow Germany to influence
> him, we risk seeing him distract you from the turkish
> invasion and have Russia take the bulk of Turkey's
> homeland since there's no way for me to easily get
> there in your place.
I dont think Erik has a grudge, but he is very very leary of me.
> At the moment, my relation with Turkey is ok, as you
> can imagined, and this could be use to involved Turkey
> in a war with Russia that would allow us to setup the
> fall of Turkey that would really favor us, not Russia.
Sounds like a plan..
Andy
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > This is Tony's game, always remove the attention from himself to someone
> > else.
>
> OK. The reason I asked anyway, it's because you didn't get back
> to me about Turkey. I don't need you to let me in on how you
> wish to handle France; but I need to know how soon you planned
> on being available to go after Turkey.
I think I will be avalable next year.
> As for our loyalty to AI, we will know for sure by the end of the
> year, so I'm not worried.
I guess we will.
Message from Italy to France
> Thanks for at least understanding my mistake. I can assure you that I will
> not be seeking further gains in the Italian peninsula (right now ;) ).
> England and I are both very concerned about Tony, and Tony and I are
> concerned about England, and I'm sure Tony and England are concerned about
> me. Not the best time for a Franco-Italian war.
The english are very concerned about Tony, and he really wants to work
with on it. But I get the impression that he isnt sure of you wanting to
work with him.
I recommend it, work with him.
> I have not set any plans in motion yet, but I am considering an intriguing
> option in which A Pie moves to Tyrolia. Would you be willing to consider
> or even support such a move?
No. I know it doesnt leave me alot of options, but NO...that would get
both Germany and Austria to attack me.
> And do you have any idea what the story with the Turk's move to Armenia
> was?
Tony convinced him to attack Russia, the way he convinced you to attack
me.
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> I hope I am successfully negotiating with Erik but any words of
> encouragement you throw his way will be appreciated.
I just did, and I hope he works with you
> I hope the tournament treated you well.
Mostly
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Well, that sucked!
>
That is a word for it.
> Anything I can do to help right now? I don't know of any plan by Austria
> to help France, but I can try and talk him out of it if need be.
I think the Austrian wants to work with me, but any words of encouragement
would be appreciated.
thanks
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> After comments 1, I keep thinking I should be sending press for you
> to Austria. I really hope I don't end up screwing that up!
That would be bad.
> Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
> more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
> to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
> the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
> so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
Philippe is in Austria, Erik is in France.
And he is blaming it all on Tony....and I am inclined to believe him.
> Perhaps creating EF cooperation in the north was too successful.
> Hopefully I'll have a choice of E and G. Germany's move to Ruh makes
> me doubt there's an immediate western triple, but I'm not sure there.
Exactly....I am betting that the Turks moves are Tony's doing as well.
> I guess DMZing Gal was also not the best choice. It looks a lot like
> AT cooperation in the south, though Austria is not as committed as
> Turkey. If we assume Austria attacks Tri and is happy with Ser,
> Turkey's probably going get supported to Rum, while cutting Sev. That
> makes for an interesting decision on my part. I'm not quite sure yet
> how to proceed, but clearly I've got to figure a way to break AT
> apart.
What can I do to help
> If all the above is true, then Ion-Gre might be an interesting
> gamble. F Gre does very little good in the short term, but it forces
> AT to use two units to press it. It also would help me break into Rum
> if AT cooperation continues. If you can want to be really risky, you
> could try to negotiate the safety of Ven and then order Apu-Ion-Gre.
> Fantastic if successful, horrid otherwise!
Im not attacking GRE this fall, I want my build
> If Germany allows me Sweden, I've got some maneuvering room.
I doubt it.
If he
> doesn't I'm not sure what I'll do. I've got some initial thoughts,
> but would like to hear your input before sharing my thinking on how I
> should respond.
Well....I dont know. YOu are in a serious spot.
> The AFT moves are definitely going to make RI coordination difficult
> for a while. The first questions are how confident do we feel that
> it's serious and something we need to negotiate our way through, and
> the second is how risky a response do we want to make. (See above for
> my example of the kind of thing that constitutes a risky response).
Well....the French claim they are going to back out. But I wont know til
Fall.
The Austrian claims he doesnt know what to make of the move to Piedmont,
and was unaware of it.
> We need to talk a lot. I'm the one that's away next week, so we may
> have to wait until late in the week to coordinate.
That we can do....
Take care and travel safe
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
>> I hope I am successfully negotiating with Erik but any words of
>> encouragement you throw his way will be appreciated.
>
> I just did, and I hope he works with you
Thank you.
>> I hope the tournament treated you well.
>
>Mostly
Strange, I didn't see anything about it in the Baltimore Sun.
:)
I will try to make a plan this time that works. Suggestions are always welcome.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> >> I hope the tournament treated you well.
> >
> >Mostly
> Strange, I didn't see anything about it in the Baltimore Sun.
It wont get any press....not even in DC.
> I will try to make a plan this time that works. Suggestions are always
welcome.
>
NWG - NWY
NTH - BEL
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> NWG - NWY
> NTH - BEL
Thanks. Getting into BEL will be the hard part - I am getting zero read on Tony.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> Andy -
> > NWG - NWY
> > NTH - BEL
> Thanks. Getting into BEL will be the hard part - I am getting zero
read on Tony.
Tell Tony that it is a condition of continuing to work with him and move
north.
And if he gives it to you, you attack him, and if he doesnt, you attack
him.
Getting it is just a bonus. I dont expect him to give it to you
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> I think I will be avalable next year.
Thanks for letting me know.
Philippe.
P.-S. However you decide to proceed, please remember not
to go for Greece as I don't want to risk bouncing with you.
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > I think I will be avalable next year.
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
> Philippe.
>
> P.-S. However you decide to proceed, please remember not
> to go for Greece as I don't want to risk bouncing with you.
>
That is what the Russian is suggesting, but I wont be doing it.
Message from France to Italy
>
> > I have not set any plans in motion yet, but I am considering an
> intriguing
> > option in which A Pie moves to Tyrolia. Would you be willing to
> consider
> > or even support such a move?
>
> No. I know it doesnt leave me alot of options, but NO...that would get
> both Germany and Austria to attack me.
What if you didn't support it, but simply didn't do anything to block it?
Would you be willing to consider that? It would help Ben and I against
Tony significantly, and your involvement would have plausible deniability.
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> >
> > > I have not set any plans in motion yet, but I am considering an
> > intriguing
> > > option in which A Pie moves to Tyrolia. Would you be willing to
> > consider
> > > or even support such a move?
> >
> > No. I know it doesnt leave me alot of options, but NO...that would get
> > both Germany and Austria to attack me.
>
> What if you didn't support it, but simply didn't do anything to block it?
> Would you be willing to consider that? It would help Ben and I against
> Tony significantly, and your involvement would have plausible deniability.
>
Do it.
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason....
I have an idea....dont know how keen on it you will be, but I thought I
would ask....
I think I have the french off my back, and I want to position for whatever
comes next....
Would you consider supporting APU - GRE
Thanks
Andy
Message from Austria to Italy
> > P.-S. However you decide to proceed, please remember not
> > to go for Greece as I don't want to risk bouncing with you.
> >
>
> That is what the Russian is suggesting, but I wont be doing it.
Thanks.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Good to hear from you. From all I'm getting, France isn't too keen to
press the attack. This comes from both him and Austria.
As for Apu - Gre, I have to support Austria for now. I'd prefer you go
for Tun, and leave Gre to me, as otherwise I'll be fairly bottled up for
now.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> As for Apu - Gre, I have to support Austria for now. I'd prefer you go
> for Tun, and leave Gre to me, as otherwise I'll be fairly bottled up for
> now.
>
Ok.
Let me ask you a question.
If I am not fighting you. And you are supporting the Austrian. And the
Austrian insists on continuing to hedgehog.....
Where exactly am I supposed to go.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Sorry, I wasn't clear about that.
I'm supporting the Austrian into Rum against Russia. I felt that it was
most important to contain Russia this turn, so I could get Sev before
turning west.
If you think that strategy is a non-starter., I'm always open to suggestion.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> I'm supporting the Austrian into Rum against Russia. I felt that it was
> most important to contain Russia this turn, so I could get Sev before
> turning west.
Which unit are you supporting into Rum??
Message from Turkey to Italy
I'm supporting Bud into Rum, so there's a change Ser will try for Gre.
That's unlikely, though, as he'll likely just bounce Rum then.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> According to Buz Eddy:
>
> 1. Edward Hawthorne
> 2. Lisa Foster
> 3. David Hood
> 4. Andy Bartalone
> the rest has been subject to conflicting reports.
Congratulations. Outstanding!
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> > According to Buz Eddy:
> >
> > 1. Edward Hawthorne
> > 2. Lisa Foster
> > 3. David Hood
> > 4. Andy Bartalone
> > the rest has been subject to conflicting reports.
>
> Congratulations. Outstanding!
>
thank you....
If you only knew how close I was to winning....
I had to sit out a round due to having an odd # of people and bieng a PTKS
boardmember.
If the sunday round was unlimited, rather than timed......I would have
solo'd and won the tourney.
Message from Italy to Italy
I am taking an enormous chance right now. It literally could mean worlds
about the game and what the outcome could be.
I would prefer to die fast than wander around at 4 throughout the
midgame...
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> If you only knew how close I was to winning....
>
> I had to sit out a round due to having an odd # of people and
> bieng a PTKS
> boardmember.
>
> If the sunday round was unlimited, rather than timed......I would have
> solo'd and won the tourney.
Good lord you are the Cubs. Congratulations & that's too bad about sitting
out a round. If you place 4th, do you get a plaque? Trophy? How many were
competing?
In c2 - Erik tells me you will not support PIE - TYR. I must confess I am
stunned - stunned I tell you! - by this announcement. ;-)
But I think it is in your best interest for his army to get to TYR to work
against Germany, & I think you will be happy to see PIE - TYR succeed. So
will you use your influence/units to help out that cause? Of course you
will not support him. But this is a different question. . .
Congrats again on the tourney. I feel some pain for you not winning - but
mostly just congratulations.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> > If you only knew how close I was to winning....
> >
> > I had to sit out a round due to having an odd # of people and
> > bieng a PTKS
> > boardmember.
> >
> > If the sunday round was unlimited, rather than timed......I would have
> > solo'd and won the tourney.
> Good lord you are the Cubs. Congratulations & that's too bad about sitting
> out a round. If you place 4th, do you get a plaque? Trophy? How many were
> competing?
Yeah....plaque, won the team round, got best Austria, won the Eastern
Swing. I carried home alot of lumber.
> In c2 - Erik tells me you will not support PIE - TYR. I must confess I am
> stunned - stunned I tell you! - by this announcement. ;-)
>
ROFL.
> But I think it is in your best interest for his army to get to TYR to work
> against Germany, & I think you will be happy to see PIE - TYR succeed. So
> will you use your influence/units to help out that cause? Of course you
> will not support him. But this is a different question. . .
So do I.....this should be a very intresting round.
> Congrats again on the tourney. I feel some pain for you not winning - but
> mostly just congratulations.
Thank you
take care
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Yeah....plaque, won the team round, got best Austria, won the Eastern
> Swing. I carried home alot of lumber.
This sounds great! You must be some world class sneak to be so successful
at Diplomacy! :o)
> > In c2 - Erik tells me you will not support PIE - TYR. I must confess I
am
> > stunned - stunned I tell you! - by this announcement. ;-)
> >
> ROFL.
>
> > But I think it is in your best interest for his army to get to TYR to
work
> > against Germany, & I think you will be happy to see PIE - TYR succeed.
So
> > will you use your influence/units to help out that cause? Of course you
> > will not support him. But this is a different question. . .
>
> So do I.....this should be a very intresting round.
I'm not trying to be thickheaded, I'm just trying to get a sense of the
board, so forgive me for asking, does this mean you won't interfere with
PIE - TYR?
Not wanting to be a bother. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> I'm not trying to be thickheaded, I'm just trying to get a sense of the
> board, so forgive me for asking, does this mean you won't interfere with
> PIE - TYR?
>
Yes.
Message from Russia to Italy
> > Well, that was not a pleasant opening. I would guess that Philippe is
> > more freaked out than either of us guessed, and moved to Pie in order
> > to support Tri in for Fall. But he could be doing a French version of
> > the Alpine Chicken as well (or you could try to convince him to do
> > so) to get position on Germany in Tyl.
>
>Philippe is in Austria, Erik is in France.
Doh! I meant Erik, not Philippe.
>What can I do to help [with AT]
Well, that's a damned good question. Turkey seems intent on attacking me
for now, so anything you can do to make that seem like a bad idea for him
will be good for both of us. Likewise, anything you can do that will get
Austria to move towards an AR would be good. Don't know how much leverage
you have in either place. What's your sense of Austria's plans at this point?
>Well....I dont know [in terms of move advice]. You are in a serious spot.
Yup, that's how I see it as well. As I see it, I've got two choices: go
full bore assuming there's an AR and hoping I don't get gutted by Austria,
or get defensive assuming an AT is already fixed, which would give me more
breathing room if I'm correct, but would likely create the AT if it isn't
already in place.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to all
Greetings all,
While I'm still technically on vacation, I'm back with net access again. I
have a few minutes to write press before we're out to run errands, so I
might not get to send all the press I'd like, but I'm generally available
again. Sorry for the delay.
--- Tzarface
Message from Turkey to Italy
Haven't heard from you in a while, so I wanted to make sure everything's
still on track. Do you need anything from me now?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message from jasonab@acm.org as Turkey to Italy in 'c2':
>
> Haven't heard from you in a while, so I wanted to make sure everything's
> still on track. Do you need anything from me now?
All good and boring as ever.
Just waiting for the bloody turn to process.
Message from Italy to Russia
> >What can I do to help [with AT]
>
> Well, that's a damned good question. Turkey seems intent on attacking me
> for now, so anything you can do to make that seem like a bad idea for him
> will be good for both of us. Likewise, anything you can do that will get
> Austria to move towards an AR would be good. Don't know how much leverage
> you have in either place. What's your sense of Austria's plans at this point?
I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me when
I am going to attack Turkey.
> >Well....I dont know [in terms of move advice]. You are in a serious spot.
>
> Yup, that's how I see it as well. As I see it, I've got two choices: go
> full bore assuming there's an AR and hoping I don't get gutted by Austria,
> or get defensive assuming an AT is already fixed, which would give me more
> breathing room if I'm correct, but would likely create the AT if it isn't
> already in place.
Take the breathing room, but dont be surprised at all if Galacia is
occupied in the fall.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
>I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me
>when I am going to attack Turkey.
I think you are probably correct, though obviously he'd be asking
about when you will attack Turkey whether he's with you or against
you.
Wish me luck, and consider me to have done the same for you.
--- Eric
Message from Master to all
Players,
Since mail to and from the judge has been running extremely slow over
the past several days, I'm extending the deadline.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Italy to all
Folks....we have had more than enough time to put these bloody orders
in....
If you have wait set....get rid of it.
If you havent put your orders in yet......get with the program, its taken
19 days to play 1 season...and its been 13 days since Spring 01 processed,
this is not rocket science...noone has more than 4 units on the board.
rant off.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> >I think they are totally in bed with Turkey, all the while asking me
> >when I am going to attack Turkey.
>
> I think you are probably correct, though obviously he'd be asking
> about when you will attack Turkey whether he's with you or against
> you.
Yeah....good point....I just want this turn to process...there has been a
month to put orders in...Im starting to get bored...and that is bad.
>
> Wish me luck, and consider me to have done the same for you.
>
consider it done...and thank you
Andy
Message from Master to all
Players,
Sorry about the long delay here. It seems that a few days ago,
everything that could go wrong did. Fortunately, I think that I've got
it all straightened out and the judge should be running better than
ever now. However, just to be sure, I'd like each of you to submit
press saying that you're not having any more trouble with the judge.
Once I see that from each of you, I'll remove wait and let the turn,
finally, process. The deadline is currently set for this Monday, so
it'll process then at the latest.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
I sent a broadcast that didn't go through. In it I admitted that at the
time I still had wait set. Because of my vacation and the unforeseen but in
hindsight should-have-been-expected increased workload at work around it I
had only had a day or two to send any press. I also indicated in that
message that I was unsetting wait, but I gather the "set nowait" command
also got lost with the broadcast.
So on the one hand I was defending myself for having wait set while on the
other hand apologizing for slowing things down. I'm sending along another
"set nowait" command with this message.
--- Eric
Message from Master to all
Players,
I've removed wait, since all seven players seem to be able to access
the judge. If any of you have wait set, please remove it, and maybe
we'll finally get this turn processed.
Greg, GM
C2
Austria: Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Austria: Fleet Trieste SUPPORT Italian Army Apulia → Venice (*void*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Yorkshire → Holland
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Yorkshire → North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Gascony → Burgundy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Spain (south coast)
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
Germany: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT Russian Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Belgium
Italy: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Greece
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Armenia → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Austrian Army Budapest → Rumania
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